Two Powers in Heaven and the Parting of the Ways (Part 2) 

Protestant here. Really starting to like the Catholic Brothers... Learn a lot. Here's some Angel of the Lord passages: (Gen. 16:7-13) ; (Gen. 21:17-18) ; (Gen. 22:11-18) ; (Gen. 31:10-13) ; (Gen. 48:15-16) ; (Exodus 3:2-6) ; (Exodus 14:19-20) (Exodus 23:20-23) ; (Num. 22:22-38) ; (Joshua 5:13-15) ; (Judges 2:1-4) ; (Judges 6:11-12,14-24) ; (Judges 13:3,6,8-22) (2 Sam. 24:16) ; (Psa. 34:7) ; (Isa. 63:7-14) ; Zech. 1:8-17)

Wow! Fascinating! I never knew this about the belief in 2 powers. It shows Christianity to be a logical fulfillment of the hopes of the Jews. It seems that the rabbis were moving away from the tradition because it supported the claims of Jesus.

Thank you boys. You’ve managed to stitch together about 5 pieces of mental “loose cloth” I’ve been carrying around for a decade into a beautifully coherent tapestry with this 2-parter. Can’t wait to let it sit with me for a couple days so I can listen to it all over again. May god be with you always.

Hey guys, just so you know - this is currently my favorite channel on RU-vid (and I listen to a lot of channels.) Keep doing what you're doing!

Finally!! Guys. You are really the best. Keep doing what you're doing.

St Epiphanius of Salamis (†403), himself of Jewish background, made the bold claim that the Trinity was in fact always known to the Hebrews: "ἐν μοναρχίᾳ μὲν οὐν κηρυττόμενον τὸ ὄνομα, ἐν δὲ τῇ μοναρχίᾳ ἡ τριὰς ἀεὶ κατηγγέλλετο καὶ ἐπιστεύετο παρὰ τοῖς ἐξοχωτάτοις αὐτῶν, τουτέστιν προφήταις καὶ ἡγιασμένοις." "The Name was proclaimed in one principle (monarchia), but the trinity was always announced and believed in the mono-principle (monarchia) among the most eminent of them, that is the Prophets and the advanced in sanctity." Panarion 8, 5, 5, translation mine. Also take note that even the Rabinical liturgy resembles more a Mass than a Protestant service, since its form in the morning office of feast days is completely analogous to Mass: it is divided in two parts, the first is Yotzer (יוצר) and the second Musaf (מוסף). The first consists in praises, psalms and prayers, and the second is the sacrifice of the day, which is replaced by the recitation of the verses from the book of Numbers containing their description, asking forgiveness for not being able to offer the sacrifice except in words, etc. Between both parts the parasha (פרשה) and the haphtara (הפטרה) are read, which are readings from the Pentateuch and the Prophets (readings of Law and Prophets, as we see in the NT). Note that the Talmud (Thaanit 24b) claims that the reading of the sacrificial ceremonial described in the Law is imputed as the sacrifice and obtains forgiveness of sins. I take this information from the very interesting book "Harmonie entre l'Église et la Synagogue" by the 19th century Rabbi converted to the Church David Paul Drach.

Amazing video!

What a fascinating discussion, these videos never cease to amaze me

This reminds me of an argument put forth by Jonathan Gray in his book The Forbidden Secret. It could be that Jesus Christ is the universal Messiah that was foretold even in the Zodiac.

Thank you guys so much for this series, for this channel, I think this will just 'take off' as word spreads.. I'm going to listen to the series again slower, take notes and book recommendations etc. Putting the Scriptures in their historical anthropological context makes me have such a better understanding of the early Church and really appreciate the Church so much more as she moved through the centuries! Also, the evolution of Rabbinic Judaism, and the logical reasons for this, puts St. Paul's words in the correct context with greater understanding. The 'Jews' of the early Church are so diverse with all these sects and Scriptures its mind blowing - realising this really helps understand the world of Jesus and the personalities of the Apostles and characters of the Scriptures. The trial of Jesus makes so much more sense now too! The questions, how they're phrased and the answers... Excellent, excellent conversation that invites a deeper dive on so much. God Bless both of you, Father, Son & Holy Spirit ;)

Thank you for this series, please hurry up and give us more Would you please recommend a book or books to accompany your videos.

This is one of my favorites very informative. thank you

HEY .... So nice to see you guys !

I've been binging your vids for 3 days now

Philo of Alexandria's Word and the Memra of the Aramaic Targum? Fascinating!

Very well done.

Amazing content. Thank you!

Thanks, bros! Amazing video that answered all my questions around first century Christianity and Judaism.

You were right when you said I would enjoy this episode. Right up my alley. Also added a few books to my list to read. Maybe you mention it but Benjamin Sommer’s book The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel also touches on this topic. He’s also Jewish. I love the ancient near East but never heard of the Horite Hebrews, another piece of the puzzle, love it. Any recommendations on a book on the Horite Hebrews?

Awesome!

Your work was huge! Thanks. It sorted information I already had and added new ones. Question: Abraham came from Mesopotamian civilization. What the aforementioned author suggests is an Egyptian influence on all those cultural manifestations?

So is the purpose of the preaching of the gospel a reclaiming of the territory not just in the spiritual but also in the natural sense.

Finding out that Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, learning that Jeshua was confessing to Caiaphas that He Himself was the Son of Man in Daniel's vision of the Ancient of Days. And numerous other biblical connections that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God; and there would be none other. I am left no other choice but to deny Catholicism as a legitimate witness of Christ's teaching. For Jesus Himself (God) said "There can be no other Gods before me." Yet Catholicism teaches that their pope is the vicor of Christ? The original meaning implying the pope's supreme primacy. Both involving all honor and of jurisdiction over the Church of Christ. I pray the LORD begin a revival and draw out those in the catholic cult out of the beast. Amen and Amen! Maranatha!

Please put part 1 link into the description below the video.

Nice topic. Agreed with you until the topic of the saints. 😊

An absolutely fascinating explanation of our view of the Lord, in all his parts. What I am curious about is how the Spirit fits into this binatarian view? I was surprised that you didn’t address this much

See also "Spine of Scripture" by Dominic Bnonn Tennant (Divine Assembly, sons of god, Psalm 82 etc)

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What theory of formation of the old testament do you guys find credible? It seems this view of the development of Judaism is not connected to any Old Testament development hypothesis, so I am I curious about you opinion on that. That is also important since schoolars will deny things from the narratives like the unified Solomon kingdom, the Yahweh/Baal/El Eliohn sincretism, and the existance of the patriarchs. Just a question since that is still a worry for me. Love the work. I had forgetten about the two powers in heaven hypothesis and this was refreshing! 🎉

Great video ! Quick question though. Could the RC absolute divine simplicity have something to do with the fact that we are “plagued by monotheism?”

Thanks so much for this! I don't know if you will see this comment, since the video was posted a while ago. But I have a question about your argument that monotheism is older than polytheism. My question is about where animism fits into all of this. I have heard that it is the oldest form of religion. If you could suggest any texts to read on this topic, I would appreciate it! You guys are doing great work, please keep it up!

Can you recommend some resources about this Primordial religion of godfather/son

Isn't the Septuagint older than any Old Testament in Hebrew or Arabic?

Still haven’t finished but didn’t Egyptians have a pantheon as well?

Or in the Ancient Near East we have these cults worshipping these three God's, or when people attribute Easter or Mesopotamian religion, Don't get me started with the whole bunny and eggs for Easter thing when in reality it is what in the middle ages they thought that bunnys were virgins until they had a young bunny so in reality it strikes back to marian thought and the eggs as a ressurection. These weird things people think sometimes, don't get me wrong in my past i went down the christmas tree hole and fell for that shannagins.

Do you guys see a parallel between the Memra of the Targums and the Kabbalahistic concept of Adam Kadmon, divination of the race, unifying macro and microcosm.. as a cheat around Christ as the divine Logos?

I was wondering why you never express the word "hebrew" to mean "descendant of eber", which would be Abraham's grandfather. I thought that's where the word came from.

Just curious are you really Catholic or is this just a monitor if you're really Catholic what is your stance on the four dogmas given to Mary do you accept them or reject them and your answer will tell me more about whether I should listen or not listen

No. They sacrificed to idols (demons).

@08:25 "… and Christianity is the *fulfillment* (Daniel's emphasis) of…." Well guys, I wish you would review your thoughts on this. Christianity is not the _fulfillment_ of anything; rather, it is more the latest and greatest refinement in the understanding and disseminate the Supreme Being's relationship with us. Iesu is more of a fulfillment, but only in the most general-even somewhat abstract-way, being the fulfillment of God's promise(s) to us, from Adam all the way down to the Christ. jus' sayin' "Thanks God" for your ministry; you guys are helping me attain a deeper understanding and richer faith.

These are the facts ignored by the Some Jews, Muslims and other so called Unitarians. I don't however see why you talk of Catholics because we are disciples of Messiah all over the world. Okay i appreciate what you are trying to make some see.Unless we deny that Genesis ,Exodus and Judges which show God's fluidity. God is one but undeniably the Spirit of God and another one is seen in these texts. Saying God can not enter his creation or manifest in any form is not supported by these texts In Genesis,the Spirit is there before creation and in both Tanakh and Quran we don't read of the creation of the Spirit. God appeared to Abraham,Hagar,Isaac and Jacob To Hagar she said i have seen God but it was the angel of the Lord who even spoke in first person and even said i will bless him and multiply him So did the Angel of the Lord tell Jacob i am God whom you met at Bethel And later Jacob says i have seen God face to face So did Manoah and his wife we have seen God and not died The 3 men who appeared to Abraham even ate food one was the Lord Moses in the FIRE sees angel of the Lord and the voice says I am God of your fathers Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob . Then God speaking in the CLOUD Peoeple are biased but let them explain all these if God did manifest and show his glory in creation The messenger also acted in some cases as the sender.This is messiah who is the sender but also sent one. he is God at certain points by reference but not the Father. He claims God's attributes like I AM THE FIRST AND LAST Just like the Angel of the Lord would speak in first person at times and they refered to him as God but was not God the FATHER.

The Father has a personal name- YHVH/YAHWEH and the Son YESHUA. What is your 3rd person's name 🤔? And a little research will reveal that Jesus is a made up name from the 16th century. You guys are able to do algebra, but add 1+1 and get 3🙄

You guys have no clue about anything you're discussing. Hopeless. You don't know any Egyptian mythology. Don't relate your BS to Christianity.