thank you melon, but im afraid I've already made up my mind on which Tyler albums I like the most. if you don't mind taking down the video since I won't need this information that would be great!
It’s heartbreaking to see it in a B spot, I liked it BECAUSE it was more aggressive than flower boy and still consisted of bangers and that creative production. CMIYGL got robbed
@@rgrex1 read the lyrics of tron cat if you want, it’s ROUGH tho lmao. It’s just super interesting to see a guy go from edgy offensive rap to like neo soul r&b type stuff within like 10 years
But you act as if it's an insult, B tier is not bad WHATSOEVER it's pretty good and fair. He is leaving S and A as something special the perfect album if you will, alot of people take S and A tier too lightly so its refreshing to see it as actually hard to reach tier instead of being a tier that is common to reach
Yall take his words too seriously when he joked on his reaction stream, theres more to consider in an album than just oh each individual album is good. Its his opinion anyways. The album is getting acclaimed everywhere
@@lucas5893 That's your opinion, he has his. I don't know why it needs to be pretentiousness that defines it though. I prefer Igor because it sounds better to my ears.
i haven’t heard a song that literally shook my core the way that “sarah” did on bastard. It’s impressive how much he can change his flow, genre and intent in so many ways, tyler the creator 10/10 would recommend.
@Saint Never understand how someone could rap about goblins, wolves & flowers. It all sounded too mystical for me. Was never big in fantasy role playing but i’m willing to give it a shot
Whenever people refer to Cherry Bomb as "badly made" I think they're missing the point. The inclusion of the more complex softer songs like FIND YOUR WINGS and (1st half of) OKAGA, CA show that it's not by accident those songs are mixed like that. It strikes me that the criticism of Cherry Bomb "sounding poorly made" isn't wrong in a comparative sense when you're analyzing sound fidelity, but in analyzing music I reckon it's more important to consider the artistic image of the piece as a whole. Because Tyler started out as a rapper Cherry Bomb came as a shock, but if a new artist were to have come out with it, it wouldn't necessarily be as much of a surprise. Hell, Death Grips made a whole career out of overblown drums, rapping, and electronics. Not saying Cherry Bomb sounds like Death Grips, but they share some similar goals in their mixing/production. Measuring the albums in a sense of clarity and soundstage as you might an Orchestral album, they don't hold up quite as well, but as the saying goes: "You can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree". I feel judging this album primarily on a factor outside of it's artistic Gestalt is not what was in mind when it was put together
the reason death grips sounds good with that style is because they can actually make good sounding music with good lyrics but the style didnt work for tyler. he couldnt make the music sound good with the death grips style. it was around this era that tyler was trying out new music styles and eventually found something that works for him with 2017 project flowerboy
It's also pretty nuts that Tyler produces so much of his own incredible stuff. I guess most of the top 3-5 guys are doing that these days, but it's kind of crazy to talk about Tyler's rap abilities in comparison to some of the other guys out there and not take into account that the whole album is him, music and all. I think that's what blows me away the most about this guy, the whole album is him from beginning to end in so many aspects. And the quality is just superb.
Im no fanboy, but i think wolf was amazing. The thematic chords shared between songs is enjoyable from the viewpoint of somebody who makes music myself. Its creative. Vulgar. Thematic. 3 things i think are essential to having music that brings on thoughts to its listeners.
Yeah Wolf is S tier for me. And maybe the only one in there. Igor, Flower Boy, Call Me are A tier. Bastard I could move up to B, but it and Goblin are probably fine where they are, even if I rocked with those hard in middle school.
"as someone who makes music I liked the chords" Wow bro,cyou must actually be the very first person to make music and also listen to it. We're really grateful to have you and your fantastic opinion and expertise in this community!
Definitely thought it was a boring beat at first but I caught my self remembering the beat being stuck in my head while brushing my teef and it grew on me plus the story telling is great
@Kendrick's Burner I mean it's definitely not my favorite track, not even a great one imo Im just saying it grew on me because I thought it was really lame at first
@@platinumbrain ones where you don’t like but like later on just feel different bro I experienced this with yeezus I hated it at first but later on I caught myself just humming some songs and grew so much on me and now it’s my favorite Kanye album
I’m glad fantano is starting to admit a lot of 2012-14 records are aging well. I remember being pissed watching the wolf and because the internet review
@@salemisjuucy that album basically predicted the future too. The internet is exactly what he said it would be like in the album. If you’ve never listened to dissect’s podcast on it I recommend
I will never understand your Cherry Bomb opinion, for me it was one of the most groundbreaking projects Tyler has ever released. In terms of musical production I found it amazing, experimentally super well done
Yeah but it's mixed in with 'Keep Da O's' and in terms of existing as an album it's utter dogshit. Okaga, Ca is brilliant, for example, but it's so out of nowhere. I like Cb more than Goblin and Bastard but look at them. There sequenced, they have plots, there's consistency and thought put into them as an album. Cherry Bomb has no story. It's just a mess of sings clustered together
Tbh I probably put it in c even though there's some tracks that are ok and meh theirs still some experimentation he was trying to do with cherry bomb which made flower boy
CMIYGL deserves an A on the strength of the raps & beats alone imo. Arguably the best of his discography. I also think Bastard deserves B tier for tracks like VCR, French, Seven, Pigs Fly, etc. *Very* unique, innovative production and lyrics from an 18 year old Baby T.
as much as i love Flower Boy and Igor, i think the way all his ideas and styles throughout his discography culminated in CMIYGL makes it my favorite. If you want Cherry Bomb it's there, if you want some Wolf mixed with Igor you got it, if you want some lyrics responding and retaliating people like Goblin (with an OF member btw) you just gotta hit play
@@styrofoamcow6996 exactly my thoughts as well. Some tier lists have the better the thing the more left it is and that’s what I think should’ve been done
He puts light to decents 8s in B tier. Anything higher than that he puts in A or S. He gave drake's If You're Reading This... mixtape a light 8 and he put it in B tier
It’s interesting seeing the progression of Tyler’s albums,from hardcore albums like Bastard and Goblin,then Wolf acts like a transitional phrase,then flower boy and Igor are very soft spoken,finally call me if you get lost is a mix of all of that.And those are all the albums,I didn’t forget to mention any albums,100% not
I think Cherry Bomb is was misunderstood at its release and as time goes on it will be regarded as one of his most important albums. He plants the seeds in that project that sprout flowerboy and Igor. It was a bold and defining move to drop a project that left field after the undeniable success Wolf had. Has a lot of flaws, but I truly believe that it’s Tyler’s most unapologetically Tyler Album. Wolf grows up into Call Me, Flowerboy grows up into Igor, Bastard Grows up into Cherrybomb.
Anthony, I get that you're frustrated about being the other guy in Wilshire but that doesn't give you a reason to call Tyler multiple homophobic slurs and rank his music all Z-
Production wise I also think Wolf was great I dont get Anthony saying the production and rapping style lacked on that project for what he was intending to do with it. You got tracks like Jamba, Rusty, Answer, Lone, Pigs etc where he was snapping and the production accounted for it. Idk Wolf my favourite project personally because its everything I love about Tyler. Not dismissing the others but Wolf holds a connection (I guess you could say emotional lol) but I still also appreciate its meticulousness.
Wolf deserve a B, imo. And CMIYGL deserved an A, coming with that after IGOR is brave and full of meaning. I loved OF days, I loooove when Tyler goes hard
Cherry Bomb is high on my list because it served as his testing ground for much of what he's done since. So many of the instrumental passages in songs like 2SEATER or FIND YOUR WINGS are influential in his sound today. I do agree with the idea that there are a lot of half-baked ideas on there and some clear misses, but those hits (including SMUCKERS) were carried over into Flower Boy, IGOR, and Call Me if You Get Lost.
You can literally make the same argument with wolf or odd future’s self-titled. Cherry bomb is mid and even like Fantano said, fucking young shouldn’t have ever been a song
Tyler is one of my favorite artists working today. I love any artist who isn't afraid to change and grow. I love all his albums but my top 3 in order are Igor, Flower Boy, and Call Me if You Get Lost is definitely my favorite. I can't wait to see where Tyler goes next cause as soon as you think you have him figured out he throws everyone another curve ball. It's so exciting to watch him work. Here's hoping the Grammys give CMIYGL the recognition it deserves.
I loved wolf. It’s probably not even my most favorite album of his he’s put out but it was the most enjoyable/interesting from start to finish off the first listen
It's my favorite album by him but I grew up listening to Tyler and haven't listened to any of his stuff after flower boy so I can't really say. But wolf is one of my favorite albums ever so idk
I'd put CMIYGL in a strong B/Light A level, maybe leaning more to the A-tier mainly for how it feels like a great compilation of all the best parts of his prior albums, but otherwise, I agree with this list.
WOLF in C-tier is sacrilege my great Melon Lord, it may not be perfect but it's better than Bastard by a country mile, imo. The number of dud tracks on Bastard alone...
this is almost my exact tier list. IGOR will be hard to top for me, but I love CMIYGL, even more than I enjoyed Flower Boy. I'd give both an A though. I might put Wolf in the B category but those are about the only differences.
CMIYGL is pretty great so far and I think it will age extremely well, so I’d say it could be in A Tier with Flower Boy and move Wolf to B. (Soft spot for Wolf since I started listening there)
Imo, i love call me if you get lost as well as igor but i love tylers more aggressive rap and i also loved the instrumentation of flowerboy. Hearing the production of flower boy peeking through and the story telling of igor with the aggressiveness of goblin just made it perfect for me. I love it so much and its an easy 10 for me. My top three album of tylers are 1. Wolf (10/10) 2. Igor (9/10) 3. CMIYGL/FlowerBoy (interchangable depending on my mood but they both radiate about an 8-9)
So CMIYGL is actually B tier? Damn, was expecting it to go in A with FB after all lol Also coming back to this, i still think Fantano is at last partially wrong about Cherry Bomb, there's not one dull moment in that album, i don't care how much you can dislike the "mixing", but some of the production on CB is unmatched in levels of quality, every track is unique. I agree on the idea of Cherry Bomb being Tyler's transition into what he's done now, and especially with Flower Boy coming out later, but it still deserves credit where credit is due.
Honestly I used to be on the Igor-best train but my eyes have been opened yall, Flower Boy is the best Tyler album. Sure it's not as tight or streamlined as Igor, but I feel like that actually works to its benefit. It makes it feel more thoughtful, meditative, more of a world to step into and just exist in through all its slumps, much like say, The Beatles' white album. I like Igor but it doesn't really give me that same feeling.
I disagree: CMIYGL is the best album for me but I really don't want to argue why. I agree with the fact that Igor CLEARLY isn't the best album from him
I really agree with that, Flower Boy is the type of album you can sort of lose yourself into. IGOR was impressively cohesive, conceptually and thematically. But I still felt “outside” of it, like I was looking in to Tyler’s world. With Flower Boy, I was absorbed into it. Kind of hard to describe
I completely agree. I can keep coming back to flower boy and it’s so fresh every time I hear it. I like other albums but I don’t think they’ll have the same repeatability flower boy has for me
Make one on gorillaz, I'd be interested in your take of demon days. It was a great concept album from damon about his reflection of his fame and the world around him losing its innocence Fav songs from each album btw: Debut Album: Clint Eastwood Demon Days: Dirty Harry/Feel Good Inc Plastic Beach: Some Kind of Nature/Superfast Jellyfish The Fall: Bobby in Phoenix Humanz: Let me out The Now Now: Humility/Lake Zurich Song Machine(Season 1): Momentary Bliss
He’s so artistic, most of his albums are A and S tier to me if we’re talking in terms of all music IGOR and CMIYGL are S, Flower Boy and Wolf are A, Cherry Bomb is B, and the other 2 are probably C and D
It's like tyler on flower boy skipped the pretty good "B" and sat comfortably in really good "A" But then yk he went back to fill the pretty good column on call me
