Type 2 Aliens may be at the Center of the Galaxy with Adam Frank 

Do you think Earth is a backwater planet? Just outside of the area where most aliens travel? Go read Adam Frank's book Light of the Stars: Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth amzn.to/3w5r04c (affiliate link)

I read that as there might be both type 2 aliens and Adam Frank in the center of the galaxy

I love how people instantly say your wrong but have zero answers themselves. Full time skepticism is an easy way to not have to think themselves

The only reason the military are the ones who contact aliens 1st in the movies is explained by this guy right here. At this present day the military are the only ones taking these alien sightings serious and scientists just throw it off like it's nothing.

I have to laugh out loud when I hear any sugggestion that the U.S. military cannot distinguish between planes, birds, unidentifieds, etc., as if their understanding of radar technology is in its infancy, as if these videos plead “YOU decide.” Not only is radar well understood by the military, why would the military ever admit it didn’t know what was going on unless it had to? Or to even suggest it was puzzled by its radar returns. To me that defies logic. That being said, the evidence produced so far is not compelling or useful from a scientific analysis point of view. Furthermore, this is an old phenomenon not a new one. This is just the tip of the iceberg, as the observables in 2021 are similar if not the same as ones in 1947. Unless you believe the Chinese or, hey, a non state player like a band of armed thugs who live in caves managed to outpace current technology by millennia, well why not. LOL And yes this podcast is SO GOOD

I'm 15 minutes in and you guys already contradicted the report twice. And btw there's as many people wanting it to not be aliens as there are wanting it to be aliens.

The absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence.

Off course this videos doesnt prove that Alien exists.. BUT as scientists it should be very interesting to find out more about the UAP's. But for me it seems so many scientists does not take this serious and does so in an arrogant manner. I dont think its the the phrase "Eureka!" that have lead to most scientific progress but rather "Wow! What is this!?" Sorry for my english its not my first language. Btw love your show.🤙

Why do so many leaders in this field dismiss ufo while refusing to collect data ? Are they lent on by lobbyists the corporation funding this guys work will determine direction of data its so upsetting

The idea that another country has technology that’s SO much more advanced than ours that our military can’t even begin to comprehend how it works, is equally as unbelievable to me as the idea that aliens hopped in their ships and travelled interstellar space to play hide and seek with us. There’s gotta be something else behind this phenomenon.

Funny how we thought planets might be rare then found out they are everywhere. Now we think life is rare ……

You had me at "Type 2 Aliens"

They do have the data, it’s classified.

"It sounds like a science fiction story, therefor it is a science fiction story" That is the worst mindset you can have. That kind of thinking has held up progress so many times during human history it isn't even funny.

People with the exact same physiology as us once thought the earth was the center of the universe. Just a thought.

I think the report as a significant change from "move along, nothing to see here" to "there IS something there, but we don't know what."

JMG, we should look for megastructures around older type F stars, because civilisations there might just want to extend the star’s lifespan. Hope JWST can focus more on type F and G stars, instead of type M and K.

Ever since man put chalk to cave walls hes been trying to tell everyone he saw something unlike any man made object he seen before.pilots know the risk but still take it to say the same.

Is it not possible for another civilization to have 'sent out' drones into the galaxy thousands of years ago and maybe they found Earth but may have malfunctioned or gone into 'observation mode' and been spotted every now and then? It's something we have also done and probably will do again when propulsion breakthroughs are found.

Event Horizon - at 25:55 Dr. Frank asks "How do you slow down?" Four decades ago The St. Louis Space Frontier (then a chapter of the L5 Society, now the National Space Society) hosted a Spaceweek event. One of the presenters was Dr. Robert L. Forward. He talked about his Starwisp proposal which was to use beamed microwaves rather than lasers like the Starshot Project. First, the fleet of probes was to be accelerated; second, the beams were to provide power for the fleet of congregate and build a single probe and a reflecting mirror; and third, a final blast of beams was to accelerate the reflector and decelerate the probe. The probe would then maneuver within that exo-solar system and rendezvous with an asteroid and build a base to decelerate the next series of probes. Something like tat cold spread our civilization throughout the galaxy in a geologically short period of time, say one hundred million years. Please pass this on to Dr. Frank.

"... but can't manage to stay hidden"??? Who is claiming they are trying to stay hidden?!

I respect our best scientists, but, the hubris of some is rather astounding. The UAP report was brief, but also rather profound. So many of the so called "skeptics" sound like that trying to convince rather than simply stating their view. I find that attitude unpersuasive, shallow off off-putting. Nevertheless, interesting interview as always.

I love how people who haven't researched into the UFO phenomenon deeply, disregard it so quickly. Egos are just infuriating

Maybe the answer is that they been here for some time, somewhere in the ocean and that's what was behind some of the US navy's sightings in last decade. If they can cross space then they surely could be hiding in the vast area of the ocean. Just throwing it out there, its not something I believe but I acknowledge it could be part of the answer.

"You can have whole community who thought something and they turned out to be wrong " is what Adam said about planets how ironic he statement would be if Aliens were here already lol

“They (the military) have no evidence that the objects were traveling at speeds humans cannot and experiencing g forces our materials can’t bare.” (Not a direct quote from the guest but close) My response is he hasn’t looked into this. Because they do have evidence of this. Not saying the evidence isn’t faulty or incorrect, but that is exactly what’s being claimed.

THANK YOU for switching back the introduction music. Please don’t alter it anymore. Huge fan!

The Silurian Hypothesis is the UFO community's equivalent of that terrified moment from that movie: "THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!"

31:31 Is it really to speculative? I think it's a pretty valid question. Based on the information we have today, Isnt it more likely that we find A.I / mechanical beings that travel the stars? "techno" signatures would come from both. Are we not more likely to come up with A.I than travel the stars? The lifespan of a maschine is much longer? Im sure i do miss alot, but please enlight me?

It honestly sounds like he never researched the uap phenomenon before commenting on it! 😬

Fantastic conversation, JMG! Thanks a lot! 😃 I totally agree with both of you. Stories are REALLY fun to listen or read about and so on... But that's it. During the time I helped an ufology group here in Brazil we used to do picture analysis. You know? BTW, my own interest started because I found a big and dark spot in a picture I took and was using as a model for painting classes... Which ended to be a bird! 😂 Anyway, we ALWAYS can learn something studying any subject! Maybe there's some kind of atmospheric phenomenon we don't know about. Who knows? Maybe something like that could explain the "official UFO night" here from Brazil... That event was a huge collection of spots of light in the skies, many people spotted them, including airlines pilots... And military pilots. The government of the time called the media and told everything. You know? Anyway... Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

So is he saying there was no idea of aliens before we went to space?

It's so frustrating when intelligent people equate aliens with ghosts.

One can make the point that an alien technology so advanced to seemingly violate the “known” laws of physics would also be sufficiently advanced to be “invisible”, but that doesn’t make it a 100% certainty they are invisible, or that their technology never suffers anomalies.

There are a few reasons why they are being sighted primarily that they eithervwant to be seen or that they just don't care if they are sighted or not.

If aliens are here on earth, there’s no doubt in my mind that hard scientific data will be inevitable in the upcoming years. The idea of putting detectors on planes was a cool idea. I love this guy’s take on the UFO incidents. Treat ufo sightings with as much rigor as it would take to prove the existence of microbial life on another planet. Personal testimony isn’t enough. I hope SETI focuses on collecting UFO data so these sightings can become scientific instead of speculative.

I hate it when people think they're the arbiters of science when many people are the pupils of science.

I watch your videos before going to sleep, they are brilliant.

I like how Mick West is hailed as some kind of all-knowing being

I just hope to see a discovery made of life elsewhere before my time is up!

I cannot begin to take the time to timestamp all the many occurrences of him making claims that were just not true. For someone that has taken the time to commit due diligence into looking into these sightings and have read the report it’s frustrating to hear someone talk as if they’ve only barely scratched the surface of looking into it. They DID do things we are incapable of with physics and they were detected on multiple mediums on aircraft carrier/ F-18 hornets to distinguish and confirm the fact that the objects detected had mass - they were not light. The list goes on of things that it just doesn’t sound like he is informed on. This is my favorite subject so I encourage the dialogue but respectfully disagree with your guest. I think we are coming to a cultural crossroads where the “skeptics” of these UAP/UFO’s sound like a ideological echo chamber of ignorance in an almost religious way

*grabs bowl*

if thats the way science works than your not listening and your saying that everything was a mass delousion

Mr godier im always faccinated by your videos and im really trilled with your take on uap you think its possible to consider having spanish subtitles so i can show your videos to my family and friends who dont speak or read english please never stop making this awesome content

This is an interesting talk. But i see you use 2 contradictory arguments in your dismissal of the "alien visitation" hypothesis. On the one hand you say there's "no compelling evidence" for aliens having visited us. Therefore they probably haven't. On the other hand you say its ridiculous that aliens could travel across the stars "and yet somehow be unable to hide from us". Do you not see the contradiction? Firstly you say we shouldn't believe that aliens have visited us because we haven't detected any evidence of them. Secondly you suggest that we shouldn't believe that any UAPs are aliens because we've detected them and aliens would be too advanced for us to detect them. Either you believe aliens visiting earth would inevitably leave loads or evidence for us, or you believe that they would be so advanced that we'd never be able to detect them. Can't have it both ways 😉 Isn't there a middle-ground scenario though? Such as: If aliens are visiting/studying us then they'd manage to stay hidden from us 99.99% if the time. But occasionally they'd be detected by our more powerful navigational systems, like during Naval exercises for example. Or that we'd detect them when they purposefully interact with us in order to test our technology. Like testing to see whether they can remotely deactivate our nuclear weapons systems (handy for them to know, in case they ever need to stop us launching them). Or like engaging our advanced fighter aircraft to see how easily they can out-manoeuvre us. Note that both of those have been reported to have happened by very credible government officials, like Lue Elizondo, Chris Mellon etc. Of course we still don't know anything for certain. There's not enough evidence to conclude anything yet. But personally i find it weird how you guys are talking about how aliens could live in the centre of the galaxy despite having NO evidence of them there, yet you scoff at the idea that those aliens might have visited here, which actually DOES have some small, limited bits of data that support it. And when I say we have some data I mean specifically that experienced pilots and hi-tech radar sensors have regularly picked strange, seemingly intelligently operated objects which at least *appear* to be using futuristic technology. Scientists spend millions searching for techno-signatures on distant stars, even though there is zero evidence any exists. (and i support this by the way). But when we have some evidence, however limited of potential alien techno-signatures in our atmosphere, in that case they would rather reach for any alternative explanation, however implausible they are, to explain it. Like for example the suggestion put forward here that the fast-moving objects were actually light beams. So in other words the most advanced radar equipment mistook a light beam for an object, and then experienced pilots then visually mistook that same beam of light for an object. Or that China somehow secretly leapfrogging every other country and revolutionized air travel 20 years ago, despite China being less developed than than the US by every other measure. Also I think your dismissal of the plausibility of interstellar travel is totally unjustified. Even today, after only having electricity for 150 years we are sending probes out of our solar system. Imagine what we (and any intelligent civilisation, if they exist) might be capable with another thousand, or million years of technological evolution. Interstellar travel is totally plausible for an advanced species. Anyway, my 2 cents. :)

Hey John! I love your content. Will you ever publish it as a podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify? It would be awesome.

I was thinking along the same lines as he was before he mentioned cellphone size packages being light enough to get up to relativistic speeds capable of reaching proxima in a matter of decades. If we can get even smaller packages, for instance nanomaterials we could get there even sooner. And using nanotechnology and some form of A I , we could build from materials in another system, phase array lasers to slow down incoming laser - sail ships from our solar system. Thank you for another great cast !

The nuclear bomb ship you were talking about was called project Orion. The way to slow down the ship would flip over with conventional Rockets halfway through its trip. And it would have gone faster than one-tenth the speed of light.

This was fantastic. And about 3 hours too short!

"Talking Plasma" is a phenomenon where you triangulate several lasers on one point to create a plasma ball, and can then move it around in space. That could possibly explain the Tic Tac UFO/UAP.

Explain how a light can come up on radar And a light can show up in the sky when there's no clouds or medium to collect on

Oh no I missed the notification :( glad I can sleep falling into the event horizon.

You had me at 47 minutes

Discussion of the Kardashev Type II civilizations begins at 19:50

Breakthrough Starshot is a cool idea but I think it would also be cool to send these light sail probes to distant kiper belt objects.

Thanks, John! You and Anna and the rest of your team are awesome!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

Nobody believed Commander Shepard when he said the Reapers were coming.

basically what he said "Its nonsense that there is no alien because there is no data " also " we can't collect data of aliens sighting because its nonsense"

OH! I thought you meant "Number 2 Aliens" because of the location of the "probes".

When Adam says "go and talk to the radar experts", you have to realize that these experts have already looked at this data and are unable to explain it.

We had a phenomenon called "Ghost Rockets" in Sweden from just after WWII and forward. Reports of flying aircrafts/rockets flying over and crashing in lakes. The military was out looking with metal detectors and divers but nothing was ever found. Last big case I know of happened in 1999 where the military thought it might be a wayward missile from a German military exercise in the Baltic. Again, nothing found in the lake. Contrast that to when a V2 rocket hit Sweden during WWII and a ton of metal was collected and analysed...

I don't get why this channel "only" has 213k subscribers. This is the best content you can find on RU-vid!

John, will you PLEASE let me know what the music is at the outro of this video? It is so relaxing but can't find it anywhere.

UFOs go back a little further than that . They were first widely reported as "foo fighters" by allied pilots during World War Two . This was the first time that we had thousands of planes in the air at the one time (and tens of thousands of eye balls). It makes sense that if there any unknown phenomena occuring in the stratosphere that this was the time it would be noticed . I share your scepticism regarding an extraterrestrial origin.

2 type aliens, AT THE CENTER OF THE GALAXY?...... I'm in!

its Galileo all over again

I don't think anyone is asking if "life crossed Interstellar space", but rather, something, and of greater likelihood, such as AI/probes crossed Interstellar space

Anecdotes are the first step, imo, of the scientific process. After all a lot of studies can be simplified to nothing but anecdotes of a large number of people.

Earth is a very old house, and maybe we are not it's first intelligent tenants.

Adam Frank must be thrilled to be with them at the center of the galaxy. What a trip!

I would think that deceleration using a solar sail would be as simple as rotating your ship and sail to face the direction opposite of your momentum and firing up the laser.

It was obvious the recent UAP report was going to be a damp squib because we were informed it would have a classified annex. Oh, I wonder where all the interesting stuff (if any) will end up then? That said, the report does seem to acknowledge that highly-trained military personnel are seeing 'something unexplained'. So why isn't the matter being investigated scientifically? Is it because this stuff still has a heavy stigma attached which might damage careers? Or do governments already know more than they are letting on? The report mentioned, for example that it couldn't confirm any sightings were of US or other nations' classified projects. Whatever the truth, it seems doubtful that us plebs would be entrusted with it.

the question is "What are the agenda of these Aliens"?

A more practical, albeit still highly technically challenging, is to develop the tech to use the Sun as a gravitational lense to image exoplanets. That would not require any new technology (just advanced engineering) and could be done in 50 years or less (my estimate). The tech could provide images of about 1 kilometer per pixel resolution, good enough to identify mega structures (continents, oceans, mountains, forests, cities) on planetary surfaces.

Really great chat thanks guys

I’d love it if you could get Denis E Taylor on to talk about von neumann probes or Christopher Poalini to talk about subliminal space. Love your shows!! ✌️

Thanks for the episode.

Humans have existed for maybe 200,000 years in a universe that’s 14 billion years old. If there are intelligent, sentient life anywhere else in the galaxy concurrent with human existence, it would be an amazing coincidence that they haven’t already come and gone millions of years ago.

God is in the center of the galaxy and needs a starship. "What does God need with a starship?"

If every fuzzy object is an alien then there is an extraterrestrial eating my cats food.

Thanks for the show and enjoy your spaghetti, John!

Scientists are annoying. I get you need evidence but why is the conversation welcomed with laughter and dismiss. Like it’s a big joke.

The Military has high fidelity sensor data, you need to take this UAP situation more seriously.

Very simple minded take on the UFO phenomena. The most disappointing part was the arrogance that they are braking the laws of physics. The laws of physics as we know them for 100 years compared to a civilization that could be millions of years more advanced? That is some ignorant take.

You are wrong in saying the claim is " they can travel interstellar space but can't stay hidden" no one who is serious about this topic claims that. No one thinks they are trying to stay hidden, because (if it is aliens) THEY TRAVELED ACROSS SPACE! One, why would they care if they were seen, whether it was all the time, sometimes, one in a hundred. Maybe that's so far down their priority list that it's irrelevant. Two, you said it yourself that our advisories would do the exact same thing that these things appear to be doing, that's testing our reactions and possibly the capabilities of our own craft, or even just to measure our reactions as humans as far as how we handle the possibility that we might be visited. If they were here, the very reason that they are likely here is because they are curious about us. If we could hop systems across the Galaxy might we also just want to find out the behavior of other species? Same as we do here on earth with every other life we find??? And one big thing people ignore is that this stuff has been happening for 70+ years,possibly thousands. So if it's an advisory that means china has had this ability that long and hasn't felt like using it yet? Instead they figured "the great leap" would be a better first try to prop themselves out of deviation and become number one? Then there's legit high up gov officials who strait up say "there's more compelling info" that's remained classified. And I think by now there's enough of them that they can't ALL be deep fakes purposely spreading bad info to hide our own tech. if it's a deep dark op by the USA then again, for 70 years? Idk if this is something extraordinary or not but the lack of solid proof (that has become public at least) dosent mean does not automatically mean there isn't any or can't e be some someday. So many times our species has been completely blown out of our minds when we learn "impossible" things are real that y'all just can'tbe so damn sure of yourselfs because we sure as hell don't know everything and probably have just begun to really see what's really what. Y'all might come to look really silly someday.

Beautiful song in the end, what is it?

I'm sorry but the ex head of ATTIP has confirmed that some Uaps have been clocked doing manouvers at 800G's and 40,000 mph

if we are someone's aliens, boy are they going to be disappointed.

Ugh..i was just getting ready to go t o sleep. But then i check my notifications and see this! Well...I guess I will make a sandwich now because the Universe has spoken....

Thanks again John 🎩 another fascinating interview.

Has anyone asked current Advanced AI about the possibility of Alien life? Even microbial life? Either way James Webb will open many research doors!

A galaxy's worth of Dyson swarms would be optically dark. A reasonable search strategy would be, like the Hubble Deep Field, to observe dark "gaps" in the Cosmic Web where it looks like galaxies "should" be Hubble already proved there's thousands of ultra-faint objects lurking in the shadows of seemingly "empty" space

It is a scary thought that we are all alone in this universe.

Cool Worlds had a good simulation where if you adjust the lifespan of intelligent civilizations to anything less than hundreds of thousands of years, you end up with a galaxy with very lightly populated civilizations in small tiny pockets since they continually die out even as new ones are able to form and spread.

Aliens are telling each other Humans are fake after one stumbled upon seeing us right now

Most people unfortunately just want to believe, not to know and purposely ignore information (like optical effects) and/or include speculation as facts to fuel their beliefs.

I think we want to know that we're not alone. I think Stat Trek ideas may be a little more accurate than we might realise.

love your show it is great

If we find a nearby alien civilization, wouldn't that suggest that civilizations are common? It would be an extraordinarily slim chance that the only two civilizations in the universe happened to occur close to one another.

He says "...I would never tell someone they didn't see something " but then he constantly and dismissively laughs at them. He's very biased and that discredits his scientific opinion in my view.