I don't think any intelligent biological entity would ever commit to being fully machine although I can see neural processors, prosthetics, nanotechnology coming into play in the near future
Listening to the two of you I'm reminded of the young ones who subscribed to "Amazing Stories" those ten-year-olds would read about then later create the atomic age like Jules created the notion of submarines and space travel. John you and Eryn, and Isaac are our Jules our Amazing Stories, and it will come because you saw and showed it to us.
And now imagine having something like a monthly livestream of those two wonderful people just talking about stuff. Always a great pleasure to have both in one video!!
Issac was a little black pulled on the rest of the century. But he’s wrong we’re in a new space race . One that won’t be killed by NASA’ s insane budgets . Look at what Elon has done in 15 years starting from nothing. By 2100 I bet things will be popping in low earth orbit
Even Elon admitted SpaceX will go bankrupt without Starship....for which there is NO MARKET. SpaceX will be gine soon, his Mars delusions are just that....DELUSUONS. Common Sense Skeptic and Thunderfoot have proven this beyond doubt. Inform yourself. CSS goes in depth so even the brainless can see it if they watch and listen.
Isaac made a great point hinting at utilizing the power of the microbiome to fight disease rather than the classical conception of micro-machines. Truly the invisible, distributed organ.
"Most if the population are not focused on making themselves smarter" You got that right. And the award for the biggest understatement goes to Issac Arthur. Priceless.
Good stuff… this kind of talk makes me wish I would’ve lived a healthier life. I’ve never really been concerned with living long, or dying. But man, I want to see what cool technologies and amazing discoveries the future will bring.
Well said. I have similar feelings. I have not given a lot of thought to my future. But I've had a lot of great nows. I've worked hard, and played harder. My machine is getting worn out. I am only 57, but I feel like I am 97. If I can make it another 10 to 20 years, I might be able to benefit from radical life extension.
It's never too late to start. I'm 44 and haven't taken care of myself for about 5 years now. The thought of NAD+, stem cell research, senescence cell destruction, etc makes me want to get back to the gym and throw out the nachos and cheese....well, maybe not the nachos and cheese. Ha ha.
@@theobserver9131 my dad started a diet 2 years ago at age 59 and he lost 40 pounds and said he feels like he is 40 years old again. Look up Dr gundry diet, it doesn't involve eating less food, just eating different food
@@swank8508 I hardly eat anything as it is. I eat enough to maintain my 150 pounds. The same weight I've carried for the last 40 years. Thanks, I'm good.
Wow just rewatched your last discussion yesterday, perfect timing, I was itching to hear more about what IA called the most promising upcoming advancements last time.
happy new year! john, eryn, and ross, i hope you all had an amazing holiday season and i want to thank you for a wonderful year of videos. your content helps me and others in so many ways and im grateful to be a part of your community and patreon have a wonderful new year and here's to another year of great videos 😁❤️
Two of my favorite RU-vidrs! It is always a treat to listen to your conversations. Thank you for the Christmas present! Can't wait to see what you both do next year!
To the point made about the potential to alter memory in the brain, I recommend the book “Decoding the World” by Po Bronson and Arvind Gupta. In one of the chapters Bronson details the recently characterized genetic component of memory, where RNA stores “cognitive sequences” that detail the sequence of neurons firing that constitute a memory, where sequences are shared among connecting neurons dynamically forming synapses. In this way memory can be understood to be an electrical, chemical, and genetic process!
Isaac and JMG two RU-vid peas in one giant, intergalactic pod. Love both your channels and you've got a great rapport with each other tossing really, really big ideas back and forth. I dont think that's as easy as it might seem, but you guys really pull it off.
After a hard day I knew I could count on you to take my mind into distant space and time. Best of all you invited Isaac Arthur! I wish you all a happy new year!
I am torn about the machine life thing. I think there will always be a beauty in having a living and breathing body and that generations in the far future would rather change their skin than switch into mechanical bodies. Wear a flying body for a decade or two and then change pace, four arms and seeing 20 colors, live as an artist.
There's nothing stopping an advanced civilization living in a hybrid state. You could have for example "organs" that are entirely mechanical so they never fail but have skin and a form of synthetic blood pumping around your veins. You'd have the strength and certainty of steel, and the complete experience of biological experience.
the goals of the JWST seem to be to investigate the deeper physics questions like galaxy formation, CMB, star formation, and searchin for life is like the last goal they tacked on the end. So it might be a long time before they start actually looking for technosignatures. I wonder who decides what to point the telescope at, and how flexible the schedule is. It might be booked up for years in advance
Something people always forget about living forever is that it also means working forever. Replacing broken parts, acquiring energy, renting disk space on a server, whatever -- staying alive will never be free, simply because of the laws of thermodynamics. Unless, after a couple centuries of being alive, people reliably become content to grow vegetables in their backyards and not buy anything that isn't absolutely required, eventually people are going to get sick of being alive simply because they're tired of having to work.
A few months back, the journal Science had an article about rockfish and the conditions that had enabled it to evolve a life span of 150 years. The genes for cell repair after having reproduced the first time are typically in "evolution pressure shadow" , since nearly all individuals will die by prestation or disease very soon. Species in the deep sea such as rockfish or bowhead whales can however live very long, and have had evolutionary pressure work on the same set of genes (bowhead whales can live uo to 200 years, easily the most long-lived mammals). So very long lives are not at all impossible.
Really, really interesting conversation indeed! Thanks, JMG! 😃 And I was thinking... I definitely don't want to live forever, but because, in my case, it would mean eternal suffering. (I fight depression daily since 1992.) BUT, if my mind could be copied to a computer where this copy would exist without suffering... I wouldn't be against it. And, honestly, it would be an interesting experiment. Because I'm extremely curious, always wanted to learn lots of things... But my depression won't let me. But without that and other human limitations... What a mind like ours would be capable of? Maybe that's how real artificial intelligence would be born? Who knows... Anyway, happy new year! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
a truly worthy guest for the event horizon. and isaac was right about biosignature as a potential one has just been found by JWST. Though i stress it is a tentative result pending secondary and tertiary confirmation. rather than jumping too recklessly at positive signatures as we did with the venus phosphene signature, that was discovered to be probably the result of poorly understood extreme venetian atmosphere
While the delta-v required to get from mars surface to orbit is higher then from the gas-giant moons, the delta-v required to get from mars orbit to anywhere else is actually much lower then from gas-giant orbit to anywhere else. This is often ignored, but if you play enough KSP (especially with real-solar-system mods) you learn quick that fuel depots at the gas-giants are not as ideal as they seem. The gas giants are almost like mini solar systems in themselves, and inside huge gravity wells just being in low to mid orbit of these planets (where most of the interesting moons are, with some exceptions). Fuel depot on our moon, or in the asteroid belt would probably be ideal. Mars is a great place to 'try things out' before we go interstellar in the more distant future.
I would love to hear John, Eryn, and Isaac all starring in an audio science-fiction adventure! Maybe along the lines of Hitchhikers Guide and Doctor Who.
Even if life extension isn't good enough before your natural death....that's what cryostasis is for, which should be significantly better by the time you get that old
I'm a huge fan of both of you.... I think that the internet is already depicting our minds and we humanity not as an individual but as a whole is already being downloaded all our thoughts are just algorithms being copied for the future.
The biggest question mark in the whole ‘Fermi Paradox’ is that if there are other sentient life forms out there, are they able to escape their own gravity wells? Here’s the thought-if we are at the 90th percentile for the rocket equation and if, as some have proposed, that the ‘sweet spot’ for the emergence of life is at around 110% of the mass of the earth, then a lot of the life that emerges in the universe would be unable to reach escape velocity through chemical propulsion. If we assume that Venus is the smallest planet that intelligent life could evolve on, and we also assume that the evolution of life charts onto a standard bell curve, then only about 15%-16% of the intelligent life in the universe is able to leave their planets with chemical rockets. If we take Westby & Conselice’s 36 intelligent alien civilizations as given, then (depending on exactly where the break point is for the rocket equation) somewhere between 0.756 and 5.4 intelligent alien cultures who can leave their gravity wells with chemical rocketry, including us. There might be that 36 alien species out there, but we might be the only one who can travel.
Life Extension. Your first bridge may come in the form of filtering blood plasma. At the moment there are two leading versions. The first one comes from the doctors Conboys. Some plasma dilution has been done in a small number of people and they are looking to start a larger test. A small portion of your plasma is filtered and replaced with saline. The results reported were people still being old but items like their arthritis and back problems vanished and their energy went way up. If successful you could have a product in 3-5 years. The other comes via Dr Katcher. Rats live 3 years. Ever rat year is approx 25-30 human years. He treated 2 year old rats and turned them into 1 year old rats (This was backed up by Horvath), let them age, and was able to repeat the process. A repeat study is being done via a third party as confirmation. It is called E5 and could have the same time frame as a product as Katcher said if the new rat trials work human trials could start late 2022.
Great show, I love Isaac! But It's sad how even our visionary futurists are nihilists. With his comment at 3:50 (see below), Isaac reveals how even he would sooner rather see us (or all intelligent life) invent physics breaking tech to merge or upload our consciousness into, rather than abandon an exploitative culture & consumptive markets to create a closed loop, steady state society that's self-sustaining, and guided by a species-wide ecology of ethics & a connection to meaning & the sacred. I see the latter as the preferable, humanist approach in maintaining life, not merging with corporate owned technology. As Bret Weinstein says, understanding evolution means we have to overcome it. Isaac Arthur: "The end form of intelligent life is probably...an artifical existence...if you're around long enough youre going to turn all your crops into [food]...animals into labor, food, or Pets...then taking over your own species too" 😞😪
The two "meaningfull" breakthroughs to life extension i would explicitly point to are ethics and an emotional training to be teached to the young worldwide. That giving a stabalizing base for peaceful coexistance and seeing us all, including us all for the journey into the future rather than seeing some as expandable. The second one maybe even more important as a character in "Altered Carbon" pointed out that eternity is a very long time when enduring regrets and i may add other negative experiences and emotions. If we become potentially immortal, never defacto(!) as stuff still can happen to us neglecting counter and security measures to insure immortality, then the formost threat as i see it becomes the psycological stability of our mind where at some point we could just not bare living anymore.
Then also ofcause there are those who do not have regrets, have no empathy but also live forever and may accumulate fast riches and by that be able to influence society in ways which maybe counterproductive. Never underestimate the destructive capabilities of assholes which have power, but lack forsight. Bottomline, social evolution, evolution of the systems which govern us maybe the bigger challanges than just having the technology to live longer.
The thing about swapping just one brain cell with a digital one is that the digital one would also have to contain 100 trillion atoms as the biological one. And all those quantum superpositions, frequency and momentums in space and time would have to be exactly the same as just one bit of planck time out of place renders a fail :(
The thing i see destroying humanity is VR. If the abilty of living in a complete virtual reality with no real consequences. I doubt humanity ever gets to immortality.
