Ultimate Black Sabbath Vinyl Shootoff: Vertigo vs US White Label Promo vs US Rhino High Fidelity!

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Jason Roxas helps me compare a few pressings of Black Sabbath's Self-Titled debut record from 1970. With his A/B Volume matched setup we listen to and discuss these albums and what we are hearing. For best results listen to this video with a good pair of headphones.
Jason's listening setup for this video is:
2 Technics SL1200 turntables
2 Ortofon 2M Black cartridges
Rane 68 mixer
Focusrite Scarlett 4i4
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Jump to 4:42 to get right into the Shootout and skip my wordy Intro.
What do you think the best sounding pressing is? Leave a comment below.
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00:00 Black Sabbath 1970 in Germany Intro
00:33 Introduction & My Thoughts
01:10 Isn't Blue Cheer 'Vincebus Eruptum' the first heavy metal album?
04:38 Shoot out begins!
05:52 Rhino High Fidelity vs US White Label Promo 'The Wizard'
10:27 Our Thoughts
11:47 Rhino High Fidelity vs US White Label Promo 'N.I.B.'
17:59 Our Thoughts
20:29 Rhino High Fidelity vs UK Vertigo 'The Wizard'
25:10 Our Thoughts
27:46 Rhino High Fidelity vs UK Vertigo 'Sleeping Village'
37:10 Our Thoughts
38:30 My Choice for Best Version!!
39:01 Jason's choice for the 'Blackest' Sabbath!
41:29 My Final Thoughts
#BlackSabbathComparison #BlackSabbathVertigo #WhiteLablePromo #VinylCommunity #RecordCollector #RhinoHighFidelity #warnerbros
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In this video, Jason Roxas and Vinyl Piper listen to and discuss three different pressings of Black Sabbath's 1970 Self-Titled debut album. They go into detail describing what they are hearing and attempt to present an honest impression of their thoughts on which sounds the best.

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@christopherkibler511 18 дней назад

Chris, I was like you. I just kept enjoying the music without paying close enough attention. There weren't any jarring differences which brought me back to reality. Thanks to you and Jason, Chris

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

I agree.. especially when not comparing they all sound great on their own.

@ConcertBuddie 16 дней назад

I like what you guys did here, and how you went about it. I'm sure it can be improved, tweaked, etc., but since I've seen Jason's process firsthand, I think it's pretty good for directly comparing sounds in real time. 👍

@MrLovell1971 11 дней назад

Great video guys that UK Vertigo is a beast wish I could find that pressing. The White label sounds very nice love your comparisons very nice collection of record pressings

@VinylPiper 11 дней назад

@@MrLovell1971 thanks Lovell, I enjoy your videos!!

@MrLovell1971 11 дней назад

@@VinylPiper I really appreciate you brother 🍻

@TheAgeOfAnalog 13 дней назад

I've had a VG+ early Warner green label for some time, but I also picked up the new Rhino as well. I'd be happiest if I could have my OG on the HiFi vinyl. Best of both worlds.

@VinylPiper 13 дней назад

best of both worlds.. for sure..

@dimebagdave77 18 дней назад

Many thanks Vinyl Piper and company

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

Thanks Dave.. It was all Jason's doing.. his setup is great for this.. check out his other shootouts.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LqBYehoY32I.htmlsi=5ToS4VmIxYw3qKsi

@dimebagdave77 18 дней назад

@VinylPiper absolutely, meant to thank Jason as well.ive been looking for his channel.

@queputaleche 14 дней назад

The best thing by far of the video is the Modern Clix record behind Jason!!!! One of the best records in spanish. Also great job on the shootoff, thanks!

@VinylPiper 13 дней назад

ha, thx

@R3TR0R4V3 11 дней назад

Great shootout, thanks guys! 😎 It's really hard for me to pick a "favorite", but probably the US if I absolutely had to pick just one. The UK's are a little darker, but I personally prefer it a little brighter, but not too bright like the Rhino can be (at times). I have 3 different copies - a Rhino HiFi, US Artisan (Greenie Pitman), & UK WWA (with Vertigo stampers) pressing and enjoy them all... I wouldn't sell any of them. 🤷 If anyone missed out on the Rhino or don't care for it, I'd say grab a clean Greenie or UK WWA, which are both pretty affordable. 👍

@VinylPiper 10 дней назад

hey there.. thanks for the comment.. you. the US OGs are great and still a good price point.

@raphaelchalhub 18 дней назад

US vs Rhino, so close, basically the same (only you can buy the Rhino M today.. ticks annoy me). Wizard on the Vertigo sounded better to me overall, perhaps because it's a brighter song so the Rhino's clarity doesn't contribute. But I preferred the Sleeping Village on the Rhino, the clarity added to the song here, I think it was an improvement (even if to the detriment of some low notes). Thanks for putting this together guys, great work

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

I agree.. it's so close.. splitting hairs.. thanks for watching.

@TheAgeOfAnalog 13 дней назад

Did you hear that??? That was the sound of asking prices for UK Vertigo pressings doubling on Discogs.

@VinylPiper 13 дней назад

definately asking prices of the US 1st will go up..

@LPfingstag 19 дней назад

I think the generational tape loss between an early Vertigo versus the Rhino will play into things too...

@VinylPiper 19 дней назад

Yeah.. i'm curious how much changes the sound...

@pbthal 16 дней назад

Not sure how you are able to claim there is no digital step when the USB mixer has 24bit/48Khz converters in its USB output OR you went analog out to the FocusRite which then did the conversion. Either way you have a digital "step", but to each their own methods

@VinylPiper 16 дней назад

Yeah.. after this whole prcoess my audio claims are crap.. I'm just going to stay in my lane and enjoy the music and lyrics the history of it all. I might as well be using a crosley cause that sounds pretty damn good too. I was sure though that #3 on your blind shootout was the Rhino.. :( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ECKHGV6FrR0.html I would be interested in hearing a discussion with you and Jason about your different approaches and the pros/cons of it. Thanks for joining in on the dialog. #respect

@JasonRoxas 8 дней назад

Hey @pbthal Patrick, you can argue about the “digital step” all you want. We did the record A/B comparison live and we could hear difference between pressings. Aren’t also using “digital” vinyl rips with a digital step? Instead of attacking us or my A/B method, can you hear the difference between the pressings in the video? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

@pbthal 8 дней назад

@@JasonRoxas Hmm I was not attacking anyone, I was correcting the statement that there was no digital step. Of course I have a digital step, I never said otherwise, and I am not using "real records" according to some so it really does not matter because there is no "definitive pressing" and there is no "truest method", just what we as individuals like the best

@VinylPiper 8 дней назад

@@pbthal Yes.. I think I might have made that no digital step comment :(

@50jun 17 дней назад

I own multiple copies I love them all I like WB & Vertico my 2024 Rhino is my current preferred spin the dynamics with dead silent vinyl you can hear more detail bass has been cleaned up Ozzie's vocals are slightly more forward bills drums have more drive tyes bills symbols are rude.. OG is my fav still all said the Rhino is the resolution pressing no denying that the soundstage is vastly different heard on a decent system or headphones 🤔

@VinylPiper 17 дней назад

nice.. thanks for that..

@Mongodaze234 14 дней назад

Vertigo by a mile! By “thicker” I think you mean tonally accurate.👍🏻

@VinylPiper 14 дней назад

nice.. thanks..

@davepounds8924 18 дней назад

I think it’s kind of funny you stated that you’re not an audiophile Isn’t it the audiophiles stressing out over this Black Sabbath Rhino release? Making endless comparisons between all the other pressings they have???

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

I'm thinking most audiophiles don't like Sabbath but I could be wrong.. I do have to many pressings.. that'll change soon :) I have more Paranoid than I do this self titled..

@domingosepeda2292 18 дней назад

Which UK Vertigo pressing was used for the comparison?

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

Hi there.. It was this one.. www.discogs.com/release/5453836-Black-Sabbath-Black-Sabbath

@revelry1969 16 дней назад

Great stuff “. I really like how you and Jason did this comparison. I think the only issue I see is that you are using cans. Cans are ok to hear tiny little details but it totally takes away the depth and soundstage. Everything is just in your head with cans. I think true tests are always done with real stereo setup. So it becomes sort of setup dependent. Cans are not all created equal. So, the can test is good but it is really hard to tell if you have a big sound stage and depth. After many listens. I really think the rhino hifi is the definitive audio version for me. Another thing to consider. The DR measurements of the think hi fi has higher DR values. This tells me the original is slightly compressed. Also, carts matter. Some can play the energy and some can’t. This could be part of the difference. Also, I found I can turn up the Rhino way higher without overloading my ears. The vertigo is hotter and think compression definitely employed. Compression is crack for the ears. There is a reason it is employed. Of course the OG has collectible value and is a great listen too. I guess we need all of em 😮.

@VinylPiper 16 дней назад

Valid point.. i did, after the fact, send via bluetooth to my home stereo and listened for a bit but who knows how much that messed with everything as well as the streamyard feed itself.

@adamhunt4462 19 дней назад

The Rhino sounds a little thin compared to the OG but they both sound good.

@VinylPiper 19 дней назад

I agree.. if you didn't have them side by side and just one coming from your stereo they all sound great..

@crazyprayingmantis5596 18 дней назад

The Australian Fontana pressing will make your testicles tingle. And i hate to break it to ya but if you care about audio quality you're an audiophile. You should have done the comparisons without knowing which copy was playing

@VinylPiper 18 дней назад

I've never heard of the Australian Fontana pressing :) Thanks for commenting.. If you want a good blind shoot out.. go here.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ECKHGV6FrR0.htmlsi=Ph0BRiozseWYeSou

@kevin5brown 15 дней назад

I like the Aussie Fontana too. A buddy turned me on to that one ^jeffmichaelcarney^ @jeffmichaelcarney #jeffmichaelcarney (I don't know if any one of those will work) . Out of the 3 that Chris and Jason compared, I don't know gentlemen, I didn't hear what you heard. I liked the US WLP the best. It had the best low end of the 3, the best foundation, and it's not fatiguing like the Rhino is. I didn't think the UK Vertigo sounds as good as the US WLP. I think it's on the brighter side too ... The Aussie Fontana is darker too. Loved this comparison though. I'll have to look up your (and Jason's) other videos ... 👍👍👍