ULTRA ORTHODOX: Hasidic Jewish Sect FORCED Her to Marry & Consummate with a Stranger 

I would love to hear you interview somebody that left the Hasidic community but doesn’t have any bitterness. Her bitterness is justified but to get an objective perspective it would need to come from someone that left the community but doesn’t have any bitterness and hate towards the community

I think in order to have the energy to leave your community and family you need have a stronge urge. This strong urge is often fuelled by an impact that is felt as negative and even unbearable.

I would like to express my opinion that the actions of Chavy were likely traumatizing for their children. Living in a Hasidic community and sending their children to a Hasidic religious school, the individual abruptly transitioned from dressing in a fully Hasidic manner to wearing jeans and not wearing a wig and based on her social media presence at the time, it appears that they also dyed their hair bright pink. This sudden and drastic change could be likened to a scenario where a Catholic father in a Catholic community established to practice and instill Catholic values without the influence of liberal secular culture suddenly became transgender and began dressing as a woman, which would likely be traumatic for the children. In my view, this behavior is selfish, and I agree with the judge's decision to grant custody to the father until it is established that the individual is capable of prioritizing their children's well-being above their own. Furthermore, the couple got married with the intention of raising a religious family, and they brought children into the world with this goal in mind. I believe that the partner who wishes to deviate from this goal should require the other partner's consent. With regard to her claim that they lost their job due to their transition, I find it surprising that they would even raise this issue. Their job was as a writer for a Jewish magazine that instills Jewish religious values for women, and it seems incompatible with the nature of the job for them to have continued in it while undergoing such a drastic change. If the magazine had not terminated their employment, that would have been hypocritical. Regarding her assertion that the community rallied against them and even their friends did not support their desire to have custody of their children, it is apparent to me that Hasidic Jews have a value system that emphasizes adherence to religious values and observance. In their eyes, the ultimate goal for a Jew is to be religious and observant, and their desire for the individual and their children to conform to this value system can be seen as an expression of love and concern for their well-being. It is comparable to a scenario in which a young professional woman with a great job becomes involved in drugs and moves into a "whore house" with her criminal boyfriend, taking her children with her. In this case, it would be natural for relatives and friends to intervene in an effort to help the woman and her children, as they believe it is what is best for them.

@@miguelsarosa5927 In southern Utah there is a fundamentalist Mormon community led by Warren Jeffs who claims to be a prophet of God. In this fundamentalist community of Latter Day Saints, known as FLDS, the women are taught at an early age that they have no authority over themselves. They are taught to be submissive to men and to speak in soft tones. Keep sweet is the motto. They are all home schooled with using only educational material that supports their cult ideas about God and women. Warren himself taught classes to young girls on how to sexually please their husbands. The girls were married off at a young age and had to start having babies themselves. There is a creepy picture on the internet that shows Warren kissing a 12 year old girl. He is now serving time in prison for rape and sexual abuse. When women tried to leave the community their children were taken away from them. Much like what happened in Chavy's community. Warren arranged the marriages of these little girls to complete strangers and apparently is still running the church from prison...telling women who they can marry and even controlling the sexual practices of married couples. Are you seeing a pattern here? With fundamentalist religions that are run by men who say they speak for God? When Warren Jeffs was arrested he had 78 wives and over 60 children. The youngest wife was only 12. About your comment that the couple got married with the intent of raising a religious family...the couple was indoctrinated or one might even say brainwashed. There was no free will or consent because they were raised to obey the religious elders. I do not believe this is the way a trusting loving God would work. When authorities went into the FLDS community to rescue the women and children the women refused to go. Because they had been brainwashed into believing their eternal salvation rested upon being completely obedient to Warren Jeffs. The children were very traumatized. You can see them crying in photos. Does that mean the authorities should have just left them there? What do you think was the best thing for these children? To continue to live in the community and be brainwashed into being obedient and subservient to a pedophile leader? You compare this brave young women to a whore house scenario where it would be natural for relatives and friends to intervene...what do you think about the children in the FLDS community? The community intervened when women tried to leave the cult because they believe their "religion" is from God and that their leader, Warren, was an actual prophet. They were doing what they thought was best for the children. But it was the acts of brainwashed, illiterate, uninformed, uneducated, indoctrinated...do I need to use any more synonyms? I am hoping you get my drift here. High demand cult like religions that are run by men who claim to speak for God are usually about control and power which is always vested in the men. Oh and always about sex. Let's not forget the sex. The men control all the women, who are taught to be obedient and submissive. It doesn't matter whether we are talking about Mormons or Catholics or Baptists or evangelical Christians or Jehovahs Witnesses or in this case Hasidic Jews. It's about men claiming to speak for God and therefore they have all the power and use it to exercise control over the rest of the men and all the women. And it never seems to bother anyone that God tells each group different rules and laws and each religion always claims to be the one TRUE religion. It is patriarchy at its finest and after reading your comments you sound like you would fit right into any of these communities. The problem, which actually is turning into the solution, is that women are now saying no. Women are now speaking up all over the world and saying no. We don't believe men's teachings about God anymore. I don't believe an omniscient, omnipotent being would behave in this way. Women the world over are saying..this is not God. And men are in a panic because they do not want to lose the power they have over more than 50 percent of the population of the world. But Miguel...you are going to have to get over it. If humanity is going to progress we need to call out abuse and bad behavior whenever we see it. And its evident fundamentalist religions are abusive no matter which God they pray to.

@@katsmith2343 I don’t see how you addressed any of my points. If you want to say that the Hasidic community is a cult, you are entitled to have this opinion. I wasn’t addressing that.

absolutely!!!!

To be honest most rabbis I met were sane people. They can look extremely conservative but in fact many of them enjoy a good company and good wine and wouldn’t support abuse of women and children. Lots of synagogues in Europe are some sort of cultural centres for Jews to practice their language and traditions. Most of times any person of Jewish ancestry is welcomed despite them not following 600+ commands.

What’s “Chad”?

In this context, it just means "great guy". If you want to know the full context of using "Chad" in this way, you can do a Google search for "know your meme chad" and learn about the memes behind it. ​@@tellmeofyourhomeworldusul6060

nah! @@Nastasyashanti

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Amen to that!!! But you know, they are so afraid of us women because they realize we are smart, strong, and can make our own ways in the world. Their egos are so fragile that they think they must squash us down and control us and prevent us from realizing our full potentials. They also like to guilt us to weaken us. They’re pretty narcissistic.

Many times women are complicit in oppression.

​@@user-od3dq1te3f only because they had literally no other choices. If women wanted to stand up to men in lots of cases they would be risking death! So "complicit" isn't the right word because that would imply that women WANTED to be/and still are oppressed. I'm assuming that you have at least half a mind to know that no one wants that

I don’t like to blame “men” But rather abusers- she is a brave person!

100% agree

The God of the Christians and Jews put the killing of the innocent as an abomination. It was the demonic worship of the Moloch pagan religion that sponsored killing of children so that religion sponsored that and the God of the Jews forbade it. The law of Moses was strict because only God can fulfill it and He did. Luke 24:44. It is not about religion being bad, it is about sinning that is the problem with mankind.

You misunderstand the concept of separation of church and state. That was written into the bill of rights to keep the GOVERNMENT FROM infringing onto how one believes AND to keep the government from forcing a national religion.

there is no separation of church and state: just look at the concept of marriage . I think that there should only non religious civil unions accepted by the state . Religious weddings/ matrimony ceremonies can be private .

It's true

Thank you so much for sharing that. I’m so so so happy to hear it! Yes, the strength of these women is amazing and I’m also always learning from them. Welcome to C2C!😁❤️

Shut up Sharon do you know how rare it is for to find a virgin guy or girl in the 21st century that is over the age of 16? This is a beautiful thing the only tragedy is this unbelieving girl who thinks she's a lesbian and people like you up play her homosexuality and act like it's the norm. No it's not the norm but if for some weird reason it was the norm and the entire world embraced it humankind would cease to exist

So well said! I totally feel the same. These women are my heroines x

Honestly same. It sounds like it would be depressing but you know what, it’s not at all, it’s so incredibly inspiring to see women who made it through to the other side.. especially when you’re still in the storm or it hasn’t even begun yet

Hi Bayla! I love these types of comments because they are respectful and don’t discount someone else’s experience simply because they didn’t experience the same thing. This, while also providing insight into different sects that are positive. Thank you for sharing!

Yeah for sure! Some of my older siblings grew up when my parents were still married and practicing in a much more extreme way, and there experiences were very different! I especially enjoy modern orthodoxy because if being religious isn’t for you, like some of my brothers felt, you can still enjoy being connected to your family, community, and Judaism. Isn’t that the whole point of religion, bringing everyone together and living universal love. Learning and challenging yourself to do and be better for yourself and others even when things are uncomfortable and complicated ❤

​@@baylamakarov8701 no the point of religion is obeying gd and his laws which specifically say one must do things like observing shabbat laws and keeping kosher etc.

@@CultstoConsciousness Chassidic Judaism and Modern Orthodox Judasim are worlds apart, so I dont think either of us (Modern orthodox Jews) should be seen as speaking for that group

@@gothicyid man made laws like only eating specific salt, having separate sinks etc is ridiculous . Obeying God, observing the Sabbath and loving others should be the goal

That’s awful!❤️

@@CultstoConsciousnessit is. But it’s also something that as women we expect to have happen to us if we dare leave. It’s sad that I have to be grateful that after fighting in court to get her back I did eventually win. Why should a mother be grateful to be one of the “lucky ones” who fought successfully and got custody of her child back?

@@diaryofanotdgirl89 In case you don't know, there's an organisation called Mavar who can help you if you're in the UK & need something. It doesn't matter how long ago you left. I wish you much happiness.

No words for how sorry I am for you and your daughter. I hope you are doing okay. I was raised Frum, but not Chassidish. My siblings all became super extreme Charedi. I’m not in touch with them anymore they are very good people but very traumatized and damaged and hiding in religious extremism/OCD instead of getting some help. Anyway, I digressed but just wanted to let you know I am very, very sorry to hear. I hope you are doing okay. Hugs.

men lose their kids all the time, but that doesn't outrage you

For sure the worst for the woman because it's the woman who is p@netrated and therefore violated. It's definitely not the same level of trauma for a man, not even close!

Thank you for sharing that insight! That’s so beautiful ❤️

It doent mean much, but personally I think NYC needs to stop coddling the Hasid, and put their children into the regular NYC school system with everyone else.

Why would a court side with a religion and force you into to it isn't there separation of church and state I don't understand wouldn't this be unconstitutional

@Cheryl Mersand if you know anything about cults...they don't care about secular law. And there are countries (like the UK) that defer to religious courts before governing with the country's own laws.

@@cherylmersand1077 I remember there being a push towards legally protecting the cultural ties of children not too long ago. Might have something to do with that, because one way or another, Hasidism is ***more*** than just a religon. Like the Amish, or the tribal knowlege of the proper First Peoples of the Americas.

I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope you found freedom

Are you atheist now?

You have a legal divorce that's All you Need! Screw their religious BS!

@@WendyMG247 do you understand it scary when you get out those cults, since you were born you being indoctrinated a curtain way, once you open your eyes and leave all that it change you feel alone and they outcast you from the community, you feel lost and alone, that why lot people go back or remain in those cults even if they became atheists cuz they don't want to be alone and isolated

@@WendyMG247 Agree.

Thank you for sharing that. I hope it continues to help you ❤️ you’re not alone!

When you say “Torah” are you talking about the first 5 books of the Bible, or are you referring to the “Oral Torah”(the Talmud)?

Undoubtedly. I wonder how many women bolt in the days following such a horrid experience.

@@veritas2145Both. The Torah scroll contains the Hebrew Pentateuch, in a book rather than scroll form it’s called a Chumash (from the word “chamesh” meaning five) and the Pentateuch alone is referred to as scripture (mikra). Then there is the book of Prophets- “Nevi’im” and the “Writings” (Ruth, Psalms, Job, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Daniel, Esther, Ezra (which included Nehemiah), and I and II Chronicles) are called “Ketuvim”. Of the written works, the Pentateuch is considered the most holy, followed by Nevi’im and Ketuvim. (In general the closer the transmission of a teaching was to Sinai, the holier it is considered). Every week a section of the Pentateuch (the week’s Parashah) is read aloud, on Saturdays after reading from the Pentateuch, a section of Nevi’im (Prophets) thematically linked to that week’s Parashah is read aloud in the synagogue and this is reading of Prophets is called the haftarah or maftir. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haftara Psalms are read during and after prayers and many read through all of psalms once a month on the Sabbath before every new Jewish month. The three books (Torah, nevi’im, ketuvim) together are referred to as Tanach, and the second two are sometimes referred to as a pair as “Nach”. Books from Ketuvim such as Job, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Song of Songs, Lamentations and Ruth are read in their entirety on particular fast days/holidays. The legal content of teachings in the Mishna, are believed to have been transmitted orally from God to Moses at Sinai or immediately after at the Tent of Meeting at the same time that the Pentateuch was given, along with the principles of exegesis which are the basis of the Gemara were originally not to to be written down since God transmitted it orally, but were permitted to be written down later to prevent the teachings from being forgotten in the diaspora (even so, it is customary to memorise tractates of the Mishna). The Talmud is comprised of the Mishna and the discussions and commentary on the Mishna- the Gemara. There are also Midrashim/Agdadata which are a collection of various parables, analogies and non-legalistic teachings separate from the Mishna. During the summer on the Jewish Sabbath, a chapter of the section of the Mishna called “Pirkei Avot” (chapters of the fathers) or sometimes just “Avot” (fathers) for short is read by individuals later in the day. Avot is a section of the Mishna focusing mainly on teachings passed din regarding ethical principles/behavior towards people as well as God, eg: “Shimon the Righteous was among the last surviving members of the Great assembly. He would say: The world stands on three things: Torah, the service of G‑d, and deeds of kindness” “His son, Shimon, would say: All my life I have been raised among the wise, and I have found nothing better for the body than silence. The essential thing is not study, but deed. And one who speaks excessively brings on sin.” “He said to them: Go and see which is the worst trait, the one that a person should most distance himself from. Said Rabbi Eliezer: An evil eye. Said Rabbi Joshua: An evil friend. Said Rabbi Yossei: An evil neighbor. Said Rabbi Shimon: To borrow and not to repay; for one who borrows from man is as one who borrows from the Almighty, as is stated, ``The wicked man borrows and does not repay; but the righteous one is benevolent and gives'' (Psalms 37:21). Said Rabbi Elazar: An evil heart. Said He to them: I prefer the word of Elazar the son of Arach to yours, for his words include all of yours.” Apart from Talmud/Midrash there are also Mefarshim, which are commentaries on the written Torah, and Targum which is an Aramaic translation of the Pentateuch read along with the daily section of the Pentateuch, and condensed compilations of law/conduct/piety like the “Mishna Torah” by Maimonides, the “Shulchan Aruch” or the “Sefer Hachinuch”.

Hi Kat! I’m so sorry you went through that. I’m proud of you for finding your freedom. I just recorded another JW episode where the wife wasn’t religious :) coming soon!

@@CultstoConsciousnessyay! As ANOTHER exJW, I look forward to this.

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I am a ex -jw . Born and raise until 40 years old. Until i have a baby with donw síndrome and need a Heart cirurgy. I chose live and freedom. Love from Portugal 🌻

Amazing!! How interesting!

yup ruined her children sooooo sad for them

@@simakaufman8856 bitter much?

​@simakaufman8856 wtf so be forced into marriage. With a stranger is better..having to submit to a man and provide as well..sick why are you even here listening

* paid , paid off

@@simakaufman8856 Go ahead. Prove this…I’ll wait

Until the Jewish trajectory quits practicing circumcision, and takes a vocal, visible stance against it, they're all suspect for compromising human rights. Children are not born "unclean".

I couldn't agree more! I was a child whose problematic parent (male in this case)won the custody battle because he was used to using his looks & charm on female social workers & judges, to get what he wanted. This was despite my mother having documented physical injuries such as a broken nose etc. She never pressed charges & didn't get restraining orders until after he'd won custody (it wasn't us he wanted but the house). In my experience 9 times out of 10 if a man tries to get sole custody from a mother (not shared) there's a good chance he's abusive or/and doesn't want to pay child support/wants child support himself/wants the family home. No decent man will remove kids from their mother's love. Even if mum has mental health issues, good father's recognise kids need to bond & make sure they're with her as much as she's able. Unless she's *literally living with a pedophile* always suspect a man who tries to remove kids from their mother *completely*

@@annabizaro-doo-dah I’m so sorry you had to deal with all of that. Your story is my worst nightmare. My ex sued me for full custody a few years ago, but it thankfully didn’t go anywhere. I have a feeling he may try again soon, but I’m better prepared this time. But typically the family court system doesn’t take into consideration what’s best for the child, only what’s “fair” for the parents. If one parent is good at manipulating, that “fairness” goes right out the door. Good luck to you and your mum recovering from the abuse you received. ♥️

In Germany it´s worse. Child marriage wasn´t made illegal until 2017- now the state is debating whether to allow it again. That is why all the Muslims in the world want to go to Germany. They lived here with 6-year-old wives without punishment for decades.

Agreed. My sibilings (i didnt live with them) were pulled from our mother and placed with their fateral grandparents who was abusive to the father. They are still unpacking from that decison.

She didn't go b4 a judge in open court, she appeared b4 a hassidic judge in the court that the community sets up and runs, my god i can't believe everyone thinks this happened in a regular public court, the state of New York allows them to govern themselves, it happens under the guise of religious freedom protections and allowances

How old was she for this? I missed that. Ty

@@razzle8140 Chavi said she married at 18.

I was shocked as well!

It's all in who you know on so many levels

Little did you know that Mother God wants you out from under men's authority.

But, you see, in America, you can do just about anything if you claim "religious freedom".

The odds are the judge was in the community.

Hi! I’m so so so happy to hear that you feel heard and seen through chavie’s experience. And that it came across as was intended, not to shame a group of people, but to inform on what can go on and share her specific experience. I will be posting a man’s perspective this week.

Any true story or experience shouldn't be suppressed due to fear of antisemitism. The fact that antisemitism exists should not come at the expense of someone like Chavy sharing a personal anecdotal horrible experience. Because bigots will discriminate anyway. I never get when people are worried about antisemitism like that, antisemitism is way older than the concept of renegades in the ultra Orthodox community...

Why can't you spell antisemitism?

Actually you'll find this disrespective behavior of men versus women in ALL monotheistic religions...

@@MoniqueAO888 hence why all of them are bad lol

Sects take the foundation of a belief and twists it to their own liking

I’m glad it paid off in the end but she should not have had to do that when her only “crime” was refusing to bow down to a religion she didn’t agree with. Where the heck were the Constitutional experts during all this?

I agree heartily that she shouldn't have had to do it, but I really respect that she did.@@rowanhard

@@Selahsmum For sure.

​@@rowanhardI was also wondering about the separation of Church and State. This did should not have happened. How does any religious group of men get a pass demanding that an ex member dress accordingly?

@@rorosanchez1538I’m wondering this too! Who are these judges that allow and help enforce this abuse?!? Absolutely infuriating. Makes me want to go to law school just to fight the patriarchy.

I think that was the best professional advice too because if he’s trying to counsel a couple where one or both parties do not wish to keep the marriage together, there’s nothing he can really do to keep the marriage together.

@MalloryNewcomb right, and I think that was one of the most surprising things about this particular therapist, that he wasn't willing to twist his profession to suit the wants of the religion

*How? she was having and enjoying "lesbian sex" before marriage. Then after deceiving everybody, she blames the husband and his religion. Off course HE divorce her.*

The jewish God is the same as the christian God. Yahwe. Without the ortodox jews, no christianity.

​@@grimlundexcept you forgot to mention our Messiah. Same Messiah as prophesied in Isaiah.

Right even Jesus worked it's said he was a carpenter 🤷🏽‍♀️

Those men, women, girls, and boys raised to think women are lesser and definitely not allowed to feel equal. Misogyny is learned and implemented with no second thought. Also, guess which gender that is in power over the other decided it was a good idea to not do any work?

its culture.

@@ah5721 A lot of cultures are founded on patriarchy that’s not new. Doesn’t make it any less ridiculous

That must be soooo boring - doesn't he want to do anything else?

And to tell us we’re “broken” and need to be fixed, or “sinful “ and need to be saved.

Yet everyone formed in and entered out of 'dirty bloody' love canal lol.

Boys too, in some cases. Circumcision is a form of sexual assault and religion is the only reason it ever became normalized.

In islam it’s haram to have sex while on your period, but I totally get, it can be very dangerous to have sex during that time of the month, also men have specific hygiene rules as well

@@wilchil5433 Dangerous how? Did the men who wrote that women are dirty also write that the booty sex they have with each other is dirty?

*Hassidic

@@bethewalt7385 Thank you.

If your grandmother that was Jewish was your maternal grandmother then according to Jewish law you and your children are Jewish. There are many different ways that Jews practice their religion. I am Jewish and practice my faith in a very different way than she Chavie describes.

The French man your grandmother married was Mormon?

@@dewilew2137 No, I thought I had typed That I was forced to grow up mormon oops. My mom joined when I was very young I left her cult (Mormon) at the age 18. My mom only realized I was right a few years before she died. My Great Grandmother was Hassidic Jew, her father had her marriage planned to an older man but she had met my Great Grandfather (French) and she married him. Luckily they were very happy together. Her Father disowned her but years later her Mother would sneak away to see her Daughter and her new family, Until my Great grandma and Great grandpa moved to the US.

Hoping this next year ahead is the best ever for you and your kids! Thanks for being such a devoted mother.

@@ShellBAtoms Thankfully I can say its been 5 years since then. I have my own place, a great paying job and the kids are thriving. I met a great guy and his amazing son in their own situation and get to pay it forward with love and support ❤

That's fabulous to hear! I'm so happy for you and your family! It takes a lot of courage to do what you did, and I have no doubt that your courage and strength have served you very well! All the best in all you do! @@lindseymick3843

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Hi Rita! So sorry to hear that! Thank you for sharing.

Religion shouldn't be painful? Who said that? Weren't we all condemned to pain because of Eve's sin? You mean Christ wasn't hurting while he hung on that cross? Seems it's all about pain to me.

@@ellarweegadsden8483 I think what they mean is that religion should ease pain for people, not invoke pain

@@SineadM27 I know that's what she meant. What I was questioning was where she got that idea from? Pain can only be eliminated with death. And with the Jewish religion, there is no heaven, no afterlife. I was just wondering where she got that idea from. That's all.

Omg your story just broke my heart. I'm so sorry that happened to you 😪💔

Congratulations on 47 years! When my sister announced she was gay, we expected my 75 year old Italian Catholic grandmother to renounce or shun my sister. My sister explained the church we were raised in would never accept her and my grandmother stood up, said "F the Catholic church" and I hope you picked a nice girl that will tolerate us. That day my grandmother became a legend and cousins and relatives announced they were gay for the first time. My grandmother was invited to each wedding as some of their own parents didn't dare go against my grandmother's love of family and true acceptance of us all. God bless.

​@@Denise-Ann Wow, your grandma rocks! Kudos to her! 🥰

@@sharonthompson672 Thank you so much.

Congratulations on 47 years! That is wonderful!

I was raised orthodox Jewish in the Chabad Dynasty and while yes there are some cases like this, this is extreme and I personally did not experience any of this.

@@mariangarrett8254VintageDolllucky you.

The Hasidim are a beautiful people, but like any group, there are good people, bad people and baggage!

@@mariangarrett8254VintageDoll I have tons of friends in Chabad, they all live very blessed lives. Even when I was completely off the derech, I was welcome in any of their homes. Chabad people do a lot for the whole Jewish community.

Disgusted and horrified

I agree. It’s truly baffling.

It's a tradition not a law to obey the practices.Shocking that she lost he children

Not when you understand the hold they have over western judiciary, politics and governments.

​​@@shonabeggs4640what your comment is missing is a caricature of Jewish people. Do you talk about Irish in such way? You're implying there's a secret Jewish conspiracy, I want to make it clear. Look how many people in the US is Irish, even the president. Antisemitism won't take you far. About the ruling - Americans courts always protect parents' rights: right to religion, right to live in a van, right to homeschooling. It's objectively bad but parent's freedom of choice is more important. Look at mormons or any other religion based in the US. It's all the same, it's just parents have rights to isolate and teach alternative reality.

Oh and we also got the “you’re a daughter of the king of king lord of lords jehovah we must dress modestly and nicely to honor him” thing

Ugh! I hate that so much. It’s one thing to be aware of the outside world, but another to put all that fear and shame onto a child.

I’ve always thought victim shaming was so wrong. If a man can’t control himself and keep it zipped he doesn’t belong in society. Those men need to take responsibility for their own failings and stop blaming everyone else. I’ve heard “that’s the nature of men”. Bull. I don’t go around jumping everything that moves. These “not my faulters” need to get a grip.

​@@CultstoConsciousnessIt's not putting shame on the children, it's about dignity. Our little girls should be acting out like Britney Spears on IG? That's better than modesty?

I would be told that I was "sticking them out there" too much... but then also I should stand up straighter...

Good luck. Sending strength

Millions of young girls and woman live this way!

Good luck!!

Not every person lives Chavie’s experience, nor yours. For some, religion is beautiful. For others, we experience ecclesiastical homelessness because we want that community but have not yet found it.

Agreed. Any institution that claims to be a broker (a go between) you and God, is a lie. Its all about power and control. It’s not about connection to God or Life. No one can do that for anyone. Your connection to God is direct and unique ❤

Jesus warned against organized religion but not all religions are bad it's about how it's practiced and interpreted... For many people it's a wonderful community that provides the spiritual experience and connection to God but one needs to approach any religion and church with discernment

If someone used a knife to stab another person, does this mean we should stop using knives to prepare food?!!! Or should we stop using internet because of cyber scams and frauds and all the horrors that happen !!! Just because some close minded human creatures misinterpret and misuse religion to do evil to other people this doesn't mean we should do away with religion.

Me too, unbelievable.

That’s standard for parents who leave strict Abrahamic religions if one of the parents are still members and the kids were born into that faith. Especially when the judge is a member of an Abrahamic faith. Congress can’t force people to follow a religion but judges literally can and do under the threat of not only losing access to their kids but jail for violating court orders. Even if the kids are old enough to explain why they hate their religion. I saw this a lot back when I was a teacher but usually with JW or far right Baptists.

He was taking bribes from attorneys and their clients. The D.A. Set up Hidden cameras and videos and voice recorded his shit when they found out. Judge was arrested and disbarred. This women’s case was the one that brought him down but so many others were exposed when the cameras were recording.

Thank you for your kind comment. I’m sure it helps her feel seen and understood by those who know can relate to her experience. ❤️

Wow, thank you! That means a lot

I grew up among non Jews. Most non Jewish kids are emotionally neglected. Also, the treatment of women and domestic abuse, alcoholism and drugs. Very sad experience. I’m glad Jewish tradition respects women, they have property rights (unlike the whole world five minutes ego), domestic abuse is WAY lower. And as many people noticed here, Jewish mothers are a lot more loving an maternal (probably a cross generational thing, because Jewish women have always had more rights and education than the general society).

⁠@@hpyrkh3Most sects of Judaism absolutely respect women better than general society. The Ultra Orthodox do not.

​@hpyrkh3 I'm an orthodox Jewish woman. That's quite a judgmental and prejudiced view against nonjews, as well as about jews . I don't agree with your stereotypes.

@@nikkison973 I was sarcastic for the most part. It’s a fact though, that they are NOT sarcastic about us. Many of them really think we are monsters. The part I wasn’t sarcastic about is women’s rights and stuff like that. Judaism is light years ahead Christian tradition in that regard. So, peace, and you have to remember to be fair in your judgement, which doesn’t mean criticizing your own and being lenient to others.

@@nikkison973 also, you have remember that non Jewish world doesn’t only include North America. What I said wouldn’t be sarcastic talking about Eastern Europe. The non Jewish population of Eastern Europe does have more domestic abuse and more alcoholism than Jewish. Statistics, nothing you can do about it. Not saying it? Not a way out. If you are not a bigot, you will say the truth,

Exactly. Patriarchy saves men from taking any responsibility for their actions. Most religions do this and it’s starting to be seen for what it is. Both sexes need to recognise that respect each other and the different way we respond. I believe that the Initiation of boys into manhood that was practised by old cultures gives men an experience that teaches respect for the feminine, they understand the power of women as the women support the men. Much healthier behaviour. I also think that the young people are very different in their attitudes toward each other. They are far more conscious and compassionate.

I’ve been reading comments here. Most are claiming this is a clear example of patriarchy, and others 22:45 are claiming it’s a matriarchal belief system. In my decades of lived experience, and contact with various cultures…it’s usual women that enforce the social and societal rules.

@@basilbaby7678 They are brainwashed into doing so by males. It's evil.

My thoughts exactly!!!

Committing abuse? No problem - just claim religious freedom!

With the right lawyer anything is possible. We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And like everything else it's based almost entirely on $$$.

You have $$$ you have a power. With money you can buy anything sadly.

I can't believe a judge allowed that!! shocking!!

I wish you so much light and love.

Definitely!

Thank you so much, Lauren!! Part two coming soon with Chavie and her daughter!

USA puts religion before it's people even if that means people suffer. Religion allows people to amass money and all that matters to the government is money. So, men get to control the money in these communities. Women are second class citizens really even if they are the breadwinners. Judges respond to money, and a community always rallies around the man even against their own mother, daughter, or sister. They think they have a right to own the children born into the cult, the community. If that means the kids suffer, so be it. Truly, a terrible place.

​@WolfieDawn, where do you live in the US? It's not true at all. Also, sometimes a child at 15 or 16 can make decisions about their parents.

​@@DJ-hf1zoIf they're not already brain-washed.

@@WolfieDawnThat is patently false.

New York and New Jersey can court order things, until the kid is 21 especially if they are in college it’s a monetary thing not a religious thing.

I agree! 🙌

Thank God.

Couldn’t agree more, Amanda!