Her Childhood as a Prisoner in the FLDS Polygamy Cult

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Isolated from the outside world while imprisoned in the FLDS compound, Judith Bateman breaks down her childhood in the Warren Jeffs polygamy cult. In a reality where “the more wives a husband has the more Righteous he is” Jude talks what it was like growing up with 17 siblings and 2 mothers, “demonstrating readiness" at 12 years old, being turned in to Warren Jeffs himself, how everyone’s pets were sentenced to death, how fear kept the members controlled, and how she ultimately devised her escape.
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Chapter Markers
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:18 How FLDS got started
00:06:20 The extreme rules in Jude's FLDS sect
00:08:54 Courtship and Marriage Practices
00:09:22 Turned in to Warren Jeffs at 15 years old
00:10:02 Demonstrating for "readiness" at 12 years old
00:10:59 Her father and brothers fought over when she should "turn herself in"
00:11:33 Jude reveals her childhood FLDS dress
00:13:26 FLDS woman's hair style restrictions
00:15:21 The higher the hair the closer to God
00:17:27 Imprisoned in the Compound
00:20:59 Reasons someone would be punished
00:22:52 Having to switch children and husbands upon direction
00:23:55 Jude's 17 siblings and 2 mothers
00:25:06 2nd wife introduced to the children
00:26:11 Not a true testament of faith if can't be handle jealousy
00:26:57 17 children and 2 mothers, how big was the house?
00:28:36 Wives get every other day with the husband
00:29:00 The children's curiosity on dad with new 2nd mom
00:30:07 The more wives the more Righteous
00:32:23 Jude as a child watching the "catastrophe" with the 2nd mother
00:36:54 How did all 17 children eat?
00:38:23 - Isolated from the outside world - information control
00:39:31 When Warren Jeffs took over he sentenced all the pets to be killed
00:40:48 How was everyone okay with following orders?
00:42:47 We won't be lifted up in the coming of Christ if we don't purify ourselves
00:44:02 Fear is what keeps the members controlled
00:47:13 The day to day of an FLDS child
00:48:54 Sitting with fear and angst when all entertainment was taken away
00:49:44 Filling days with scripture and reading Warren Jeffs book
00:51:22 World history and a lot more wasn't allowed to be taught
00:52:47 Boys and girls in the classroom should "treat each other as snakes"
00:53:39 When did Jude start questioning and rebelling?
00:56:30 Devising an escape plan
00:58:45 Jude's punishment for rebelling
01:01:33 Jude's marriage was being arranged without her knowing
01:02:44 What happened when Jude went to the library for the first time
01:04:48 Jude learning what her anatomy looked like for the first time at 17
01:06:17 Chatting with someone on the internet, she realized she's in prison
01:07:06 Having to go back
01:09:12 Jude realizes she's about to get married
01:11:29 Linda, listen
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@idcyco3623 Год назад

All these polygamy groups hiding behind Jesus. I'm not a Believer myself but if it turns out Jesus does exist I got a real mouthful for him before he dropkicks me to hell.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

This might be my favorite, sassy Linda,listen style comment to date! 😂🙌🏆

@idcyco3623 Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness Yahweh has got somethin coming too. The Catholic church and child abuse? For real? Someone holy has to answer for this.

@littlewingmyoho Год назад

It was written that a dog attacked a five year old but the killing of the pets is one of the most horrible things I've ever read.They ran out of bullets so they shocked then to death.It could be heard throughout their community from up on the hill .I hate to even write this down but the extent of what goes on needs to be known.I'm glad to find your channel.This has led me to read the Bible and am almost done with the old testament😶The amount of animal sacrifice is seriously astounding

@littlewingmyoho Год назад

Starting with the Daybell trial I've been down a Cult rabbit hole.Thank you for bringing light to such a dangerous thing that is pretty hidden

@toxicfem69 Год назад

IF I GET BANNED FROM HEAVEN FOR HOLLERING AT THE POLYGAMISTS, I WILL FACE JESUS AND WALK BACKWARDS INTO HELL --dril, i think

@rubigee4397 Год назад

Ill never understand how/why it’s a woman’s responsibility to ensure creepy men aren’t enticed by their existence 😒

@nobodysbaby5048 Год назад

I know, right?

@alyssatew9748 Год назад

Exactly. I saw a video 'skit' the other day where an uncle was saying 'oh you shouldn't let your daughter dress so provocatively. She's too young to be dressing sexy like that'. And the dad chimes in and says 'if you think your under-age niece is being sexy, that sounds like a you problem and you better get the f out my house'. I feel like this should be way more normalised. If you think someone is being provocative or 'sexy' or whatever for wearing something obviously normal then it's a you problem.

@nobodysbaby5048 Год назад

@@alyssatew9748 There's been a definite sexualization of children in the past few decades. Perhaps that was what he was referring to. Also, an unhealthy trend.

@shinrin-yoku- Год назад

Number one rule of patriarchy. Women are the sinners. Eve?

@spannymakronkeep8673 Год назад

@@nobodysbaby5048 decades? Child brides have been a mainstay of patriarchal societies since forever

@beckyshaknovich7554 11 месяцев назад

As a librarian, it makes me so happy that a library provided that moment of discovery for you ❤ So glad you are here sharing your story with us!

@starlingswallow 10 месяцев назад

Books are more valuable than most will EVER know! So glad there are people still doing librarian work! ❤❤❤

@fennecfoxfanatic 7 месяцев назад

That section of the story made me tear up. Such a beautiful charcuterie of the outside world to experience.

@lindsayb7811 10 месяцев назад

There was a powerful pop-up exhibit in LA years ago displaying the outfits dozens of women were wearing when they were raped. The number of oversized sweatshirts and sweatpants was chilling. It doesn’t matter what a woman is wearing. She just has to exist.

@CultstoConsciousness 10 месяцев назад

Woah. That’s does sound chilling. Thanks for sharing.

@IzzysTravelDiaries 8 месяцев назад

An pyjamas! I only saw pictures of it, but a bunch was pyjamas or workout outfits.

@Aly11594 7 месяцев назад

I saw a video of something like this on RU-vid not long ago the amount of baggy clothing was a lot they even showed little girls clothing long dressed, little pajamas just normal children's clothing 😢 It don't matter what we wear evil people will do it anyway

@JazminDorbolo-ww8ty Год назад

My husband is not Mormon but he is a narcissist. My marriage was destroyed when he tried to brainwash me into believing multiple wives was “Godly” and having a second wife in the house would bring me honor. I let him go through and explain everything and then I left. I can never go back after that heartache. He has tried to be reconciled and say he doesn’t really feel that way but I will never feel the same about him. It’s disgusting to try and use God to manipulate women into allowing adultery right under their noses. I can’t imagine how hard it is to pretend you don’t care about sharing your spouse. Sex is sacred. Sharing your body with some one outside of your marriage is adultery.

@starlingswallow 10 месяцев назад

I'm so glad you got out! ❤ my ex narcissist also wanted to bring another woman in the bedroom, yet not under the guise of religion. He did convince me that him needing to dress up like a girl in the bedroom was fine with God, along with completely ignoring my intimacy needs or my need to be known, seen, heard. 😢 I was a sex slave to him and I'm STILL healing....

@stephaniegonzales761 8 месяцев назад

@@starlingswallow😢 sending hugs! So sorry

@Nastasyashanti 5 месяцев назад

Well in cults like this the more wives a creep has the less he’s gonna sleep with you and less children you gonna have with him.

@jenniferproctor696 Месяц назад

Amen. Thank you for sharing this. This is so true.

@AJansenNL Год назад

I have so much admiration for people who manage to free themselves from these cults and controlling groups, and then turn their lives around and get an education. And my heart breaks for those who don't manage to do that, even though deep in their hearts they would like to, but are too stuck, too afraid.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Same! There’s an extra level of amazing when they push to turn their lives around in a complete 180 and succeed.

@christineorozco5431 Год назад

Oh heck no! Hurting my pets would have set me on a rampage 😡 that’s right under hurting my human child.

@sils583 Год назад

I would lose it if anyone hurt my pets!! 😡😡 that is So Wrong!! Not Christ like at all... that's Pure Evil!!

@jojocaitlin8508 10 месяцев назад

The story about the library is the cutest thing. I can just imagine the excitement she had and it warms my heart. I was raised Christian and as I've gotten older the things I was taught were taboo and sinful now have such an innocence to them. Like being curious about boys and your anatomy are so innocent and precious growing up. Once you become an adult you realize how pure your intentions were. It breaks my heart that that experience is perverted for some children.

@Kaotiqua Год назад

I find it interesting how cults so often revolve around a male leadership defining all the very restrictive ways in which _women_ must live and behave, and how they are to be treated by the men of the group. All the most serious restrictions apply to the women and children. Almost as if many cults are really all primarily _about_ the control and domination of women in particular.

@Peregrina Год назад

There are a few cults lead by women but for some reason they tend to follow the strict control of women as well.

@ArtandDiamondsWithEskies 7 месяцев назад

They are.

@xyz7572 Год назад

I feel so sorry for all those women who were pretty much held in reproductive slavery like that, being intentionally raised to have “being a wife and bearing as many children as possible” as their ultimate life goal and being expected to lay down for their assigned husband and carry baby after baby. Pregnancy is not easy on the body, and being practically forced into having child after child whether you want to or not is a very unique kind of taking someone’s opportunities away from them and physically restricting their life.

@starlingswallow 10 месяцев назад

Yes! It's completely stripping someone of their own bodily autonomy! 😢😢😢

@ArtandDiamondsWithEskies 7 месяцев назад

It's also a very unique type of torture for those women physically. Our bodies are not designed to have so many children and especially not any closer than two years apart. It takes our bodies that long to heal from pregnancy and giving birth.

@jedilittlebee 7 месяцев назад

Even farmers restrict their livestock’s health by limiting reproduction times. Some men care more about animals than women.

@theartfuldressmaker7777 7 месяцев назад

I was expected to live this way and when I couldn’t due to physical reproductive dysfunction I was blamed and not believed.

@themenna007 Год назад

The pets? I've never heard of this. Oh that is devastating. I'm so sorry anyone suffered this. Thank you for sharing this. Cannot be easy ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

I was heartbroken when she said that. I can’t even imagine!

@suzetteduncan Год назад

agreed! this literally took my breath away. absolutely terrorizing

@adrianghandtchi1562 Год назад

I was caught by surprise as well. I had to take a little break and come back because I went to hug my kitties. I wonder if somebody decided to set some of the pets, free into the borders of the compound away because they just did not have the heart to put their own pets down.

@Infantfaire Год назад

This is what the most dangerous abusers do in Domestic Violence

@laneneal3510 Год назад

What was he thinking. You keep taking things away there will be a revolt. Or were they just insane with power? Was there imbreeding ?

@Zayaxa Год назад

Judith is so articulate, eloquent and insightful. I could listen to her talk all day. During her Linda Listen moment, I really appreciated her acknowledging how the struggles of people who have experienced trauma are different to those who haven't. I'm fed up of hearing podcast guests talking about how to change your life or whatever because those things are not within my grasp and it just make me feel even more "other". To hear Judith making this differentiation made me feel validated, and more accepting of my struggle and my not-okayness.

@adeleennis2255 11 месяцев назад

My struggle with depression and anxiety as a full time university student and full time worker led me to teaching ESL in Asia for six years. My current struggle with psoriatic arthritis and osteoarthritis has gotten me into boardgaming. I’ve met most of my current friends through boardgaming. I may not be able to stand or walk for long periods, but I can boardgame all day.

@jedilittlebee 7 месяцев назад

Sometimes, in some situations, all you can do is struggle to keep your mind free, and never judge others who are struggling to do the same to the best of their abilities. If you can’t help someone, at least refrain from adding to their burdens.

@caffeinejones3513 Год назад

Thinks for this! I'm a Portlander. My mom took us to OR to get away from the UT/ID LDS family. Your channel helps me understand my family better. I watch many of your interviews, but the LDS ones help the most.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Hi! I'm so happy to hear it's helpful!

@ruthsteed9597 Год назад

I knew of Jude as my brothers were friends with her brothers. I was a very little girl so she probably doesn't remember me. I admire those that were able to take the courageous steps earlier on. I wasn't so lucky. I guess maybe what my son told me may be true, in some sense, that I have hurt myself by staying in that culture so long and being afraid to take the courageous steps at a younger age. I was placed in an arranged marriage to my step-dad at the age of 16. I'm now 36 and I've been out for about 3 years now. I stayed in, in hopes life would become easier and happy again as it was before my biological father died. I had a child by my step-dad who is now 17 years old, and he won't talk to me anymore. I thought my heart was already broken and hurt beyond repair, and now it feels shattered in a million pieces that I've been trying to piece back together. I've gone through some days that I don't know if it's worth going on. I hope I can go forward now and imagine the joyful happy life into existence. I don't know if my story could benefit anyone or if it will even heal anything for me, but I've enjoyed the content you have shared.

@jaybee1248 8 месяцев назад

I’m sorry you had to go thru that and I pray you have peace and love in your new life❤️

@laitondion 4 месяца назад

You should be a guest!! I hope you’re doing well ❤

@dorapakozdi4578 2 месяца назад

I am a stranger from the other side of the world but I congratulate you on your strength, vulnerability and dedication. You made it through and many of us reading your stories have only admiration and compassion for you.❤

@blimeyhermione07 Год назад

The FLDS has been a fascination for me. Keep Sweet Pray and Obey was horrifying but I couldn’t stop watching. Looking forward to both episodes.

@TheTwil1 Год назад

The Handmaids tale is very similar

@equine_evelyn Год назад

same ive watched it at least 3 times all the way through because its so interesting but its such a hard watch

@sophiewbabygowrl Год назад

Hey Shelise! I discovered your channel yesterday and I was immediately impressed by your listening skills, your questioning and your empathy for the people you interview. Religions and cults are for me, some of the most interesting topics to inform myself with out there - combine that with an intelligent, very self-reflective woman and you got yourself a new, very engaged, subscriber. :) Greetings from Austria ❤️

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Hi Sophie! Thank you so much! That means a lot. I do my best 😁 welcome to C2C!

@kimveldkamp3230 Год назад

Same here! Greetings from the netherlands!

@suefrisk8505 Год назад

And from Australia ❤

@raylawler13 Год назад

Jude, thank you so much for doing this interview. It's crazy how after 6 years of regularly looking into Mormonism after leaving it, I'm still learning so much. I'm currently working on a novel in which the FLDS manages to control a theocracy in a large portion of the US and this was very inspiring. Thank you and thank you Shelise as always for doing the interview!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

You’re welcome, Ray! Congrats on your novel!

@littlewingmyoho Год назад

Ill keep an eye out for your book. I've read everything I could get my hands on.Right now I'm reading a book by one of Brigham Youngs men who killed many for him until tossed away when no.longer useful.

@littlewingmyoho Год назад

Bill Hickmans story written at the time in the 1800s Brigham Youngs Avenging Angel

@nobodysbaby5048 Год назад

Read "The Handmaid's Tale" & " The Testaments". Should be informative for you. Looking forward to your book.

@djdingwall1 Год назад

Jude, your bravery is completely mind blowing. Thank you for being so vulnerability. Thank you Shelise for such fantastic guests. 💖

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks for your continued support, Donna! ❤️

@kassrripples3659 Год назад

Such an amazingly well spoken lady, what an interesting guest. She seems so emotionally strong and present to relay and share this information.

@marianboudreau1337 Год назад

I think there is a whole slew of cult leaders who owe God a BIG apology!!! Shelise, I love your interview style, you are so respectful of all sides, and I am hooked on your channel that I just found this week. Amazing and informative and I sincerely hope that your message will reach people who are thinking about joining a religious group. Head's up!!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thank you so much, Marian! How sweet of you! Welcome to C2C :D

@northerngirl4666 Год назад

There. Is. No. God. Invented by men to control others and to legitimize criminal behaviour and to get rich. Cults are for the weak minded.

@dorisbrannon5141 Год назад

They also owe their victims big apologies!

@WillieWeed Год назад

One researcher has suggested that the concept of the FLDS as a separate church entity didn't happen until a 1987 lawsuit when the full name of the church first appears. According to this interpretation, the original authority conferred by Lorin C. Woolley was only for the purpose of initiating plural marriages, not for the establishment of a new church, and many early Short Creek polygamists continued to regard the LDS Church as authoritative but "out of order" on the matter of polygamy. Such members held hope that the LDS Church would one day come back "into order" and join them. In 1984, a schism formed within the FLDS Church just before the death of Leroy S. Johnson. A small group of FLDS (known as the Centennial Park group) took issue with the "one-man rule" doctrine that altered the leadership structure of the church and that was implemented fully when Rulon Jeffs assumed his position as sole leader of the organization. These followers took up residence just south of Colorado City, in Centennial Park, Arizona, calling themselves "The Work of Jesus Christ," or "The Work" for short. Rulon Jeff's passes September 08, 2002 at 93, and his son takes control. Also in 2002, after Warren Jeffs assumed leadership, Winston Blackmore, who had been serving in Canada as the Bishop of Bountiful for the FLDS Church, was excommunicated by Jeffs in an apparent power struggle. This led to a split within the community in Bountiful, British Columbia, with an estimated 700 FLDS members leaving the church to follow Blackmore. When Jude said she didn't know when the split was, I have this thing where I have to know. Sorry it's so much.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Oh wow! So interesting! Thank you for sharing.

@WillieWeed Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness sorry to put so much. But when she said she wasn't sure of the time I have to go find out.

@PrincessJamiG Год назад

That really is more recent than I imagined. Wow! Thanks for all this info!

@terryarmstrong8598 12 дней назад

It's a long convoluted tale on my part, but it came about that I had access to Warren Jeffs' "dictations" and "revelations " Wild stuff to read and to study from my perspective as outsider trying to decipher his words and motivations. One of the common themes throughout his writings was how threatened he felt from specific men he deemed were "aspiring." Winston Blackmore was indeed one of those. Warren felt threatened by his own full brothers who he also deemed were "aspiring." All indications are that he continues to play out those mind games to this day.

@HeidiZimmerman-ds1yy 11 месяцев назад

I was raised mainstream mormon and was only a member from 8-16 years old and never was involved I went on Sunday never more never less. I can’t imagine ever being trapped in a religion and I just found your channel yesterday and I’m hooked. I can’t believe how strong all your guest’s are.

@CultstoConsciousness 11 месяцев назад

Hi! Welcome to C2C my fellow apostate friend!

@jcc6789 10 месяцев назад

Well spoken survivor - I totally empathize- escaped in my 50’s and never looked back. 💗

@RavenXWritingdesk 10 месяцев назад

So happy for you! You've got a great life ahead of you 💜💜💜

@delphinedelphinedelphine Год назад

Omigoodness, Jude, you are an incredible storyteller, I cannot wait for the next part of the interview.

@mariapark2374 Год назад

Holy cow, what an ending! Thank you Judith for being so vulnerable.

@carolineraines6465 8 месяцев назад

Every time I listen to your podcasts or Mormon stories, I am so thankful that my kids and myself are out of the cult and my grandkids are not being raised with the shame/purity culture and all the bullshit! Thank you for so much for all you do! Born and raised in Ogden, Utah🤣

@CultstoConsciousness 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching! Ahh yes, good ole Ogden lol. I was born there

@GrumpyVickyH Год назад

Listened to the podcast but had to peep in yet just to see the dress. Loved the spirit of Judith as a child/young woman. Fantastic. I would love a short clip published to just cover “ I said No! “ What an inspiration to share and show everyone the power of listening to your inner voice. All credit to Judith today for her courage and honesty.👍🏼💚👍🏼

@SatansRoerhat Год назад

There's nothing better, than a discussion between two clever, heartfelt people ❤❤✨🌼🌻🌈

@SatansRoerhat Год назад

Nooo I need more! One hell of a cliffhanger ❤🌼

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Awww thanks Sara! Sorry but you know I had to! 😂🙏 stay tuned!

@rebeckab80 Год назад

Love this episode and can’t wait for the next one with Judith! I think I have an obsession with this topic, because I’m amazed at how much I can relate even having grown up mainstream Mormon. It’s incredible how, even though I grew up in the “outside world”, I still felt as though I was enclosed behind walls filled with fear. As if looking any further than what was I was told to see would damn my family and own eternal existence, causing so much internal turmoil when I began to question my faith. Very similar core affects. Yet, such an extremely different life.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

100 percent!!

@eibhinn Год назад

I remember seeing the girls from Bountiful when I lived in rural BC. I always fought my instinct to go ask them if they want help escaping. Had I known they were potentially there as punishment for being rebellious, I probably would have.

@marym922 9 месяцев назад

I wonder what they would have said... When I lived among Muslims, I'd ask if they wanted to go for a walk. If one woman came, I'd talk about how exactly, I'd escape, if I were in a very bad marriage. I was in no danger, but my friend was... she did eventually run, and managed to get away from that country with offspring in tow. I like to think my 'musing' helped her to come up with a way for herself.

@jedilittlebee 7 месяцев назад

It very well may have planted the seed…just knowing there were others “out there” thinking about people like her, and that might help her find her feet once free. ❤🤗👍@@marym922

@carolynbommarito2188 Год назад

Shelise, I'm so glad you started this podcast. You are an excellent interviewer and you have a way of bringing fresh insights out of topics that I've seen a zillion interviews about already.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

What a beautifully kind compliment! 🥰 thank you so much, Carolyn. That makes me very happy to hear.

@valenehulme2182 Год назад

I'm anxious to hear the remainder of Jude's experiences. I went through a phase of listening to all the books I could find about people who'd left FLDS. I highly recommend The Witness Wore Red by Rebecca Musser and Stolen Innocence by Elissa Wall. Also, Prophet's Prey by Sam Brower. They are all engaging, informational, and emotional.

@nickywal Год назад

Breaking free by Rachel Jeffs as well, his "favourite daughter" and victim. She got out with 6 children I think and has spent a lot of the time since trying to help other women leave

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks for all of these recommendations! I am trying to contact Elissa for an interview as well

@nickywal Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness Maybe speak to growing up in polygamy on youtube, Sam was raised FLDS but left at 18 and then recently both he and his wife left the mainstream LDS church

@janshe3597 Год назад

@@nickywal The only thing is, he is a male, he had a totally different experience than the girls/women did. This Cult practices patriarchy, the women are suppressed and have no say in anything of any importance. EDIT, I watch their channel, his wife was raised LDS, they married after he left the FLDS. He joined the LDS, then a little further along, they both left the LDS. She never experienced life as a part of the FLDS…

@terrimills8609 Год назад

I, as well, have read all of the books that I could about the FLDS. Carolyn Jessop’s and Brent Jeff’s books are excellent. One thing that I have found, and consider very sad, is that the majority of those who were able to escape, have abandoned any form of belief in God. Most are now atheists.

@Thealissajones Год назад

I remember when they killed everyones pets, our pets in LeBaron were murdered by leaders too. My family had to hide TVs because if the leaders found out about it our TVs and VCR players were mysteriously broken. They would also turn off our gas so we couldnt cook or have hot water. The women and wifes would have to leave the house to fix the gas systems in our house, we'd then get kidnapped and raped again. We would hide in our locked homes, then theyd break in to steal our babies. We'd get our children back when we'd go bsck to church.

@TOBDNCNG-Marygrace 8 месяцев назад

So sad that you had to go through that.

@flowersofantimony Год назад

I practice ethical non monogamy (polyamory). I even can't IMAGINE living as a polygamist...thank you for telling your story Jude. This is intense.

@user-is4tv2pq2s Год назад

What’s the difference?

@flowersofantimony Год назад

@@user-is4tv2pq2s Women have the choice to be with who they want to be? They aren't treated like chattel.

@haleycooke1814 Год назад

@8 8 Polyamoury is based upon consent. It is also called Ethcial Non-Monogmy. People who participate are open with their main partner (some people use the term primary) about loving them but also being able to love and be with other partners (some people call additional partners secondary etc. I don't use that language myself). If anyone is not okay with the dynamic most ethical non-monoogmsits won't continue that relationship. Also, most states don't allow you to marry more than one person. So in many poly dynamics people have an open marriage. They are legally married to one partner but date others. This is often confused with Swinging which is completely different and typically doesn't have a romantic aspect between couples just a sexual one (I have mostly seen examples of straight stingers but there are probably LGBT stingers as well)

@Kaotiqua Год назад

@@user-is4tv2pq2s In addition to what others have said, it should be clear that polyamorous or ethically non-monogamous relationships are generally based in equality. All partners, regardless of gender or role, are equally allowed to engage with other partners, at their own discretion, so long as everyone involved is honest and communicative. For example, my partner has another partner, but I do not, but that's a matter of my choice. If I met someone whom I felt a strong attraction to, I would make sure my partner was aware, and would move forward considering his feelings, as well as those of my potential new partner. It's not a "free love" everybody sleeps with everybody free-for-all. If anything, it requires a much greater conscientiousness and care for the emotions and well-being of everyone involved.

@flowersofantimony Год назад

@@Kaotiqua Thanks for your viewpoint! That's a good point, it's not just whatever you WANT to do. There's still boundaries and cheating, etc. Communication is key!

@exmohobobonobo Год назад

Thanks so much for such granular, detailed time stamps/chapters. I was too triggered to start at the beginning, so I started with “hairstyles.” Thanks especially for the “pets” heads up-I don’t think I can stomach hearing about that at all.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thank you for sharing that. I had never considered they could be helpful in that way. Now I can be more aware of it. ❤️

@missychan63 Год назад

Don't you mean Colorado City? My daughter and I actually drove through there on our way home to Scottsdale in 2002... She was a teenager and had heard stories and my dumb ass decided, "we're here, let's drive through!" It was the creepiest thing we've ever done... We couldn't get out of there fast enough. We were there just as school was letting out, and at first there was not a single person on the streets and I mean not one person. We drove a few blocks and then the kids started appearing, walking home. The girls were grouped together in their long dresses and braids, and the boys were grouped together but you didn't see boys and girls walking together. Of course they all gave us the eye- in a town that small a stranger's car sticks out like a sore thumb. Just as we were deciding we had pretty much seen all there was to see, here came a black SUV and two white pickups to check us out. I didn't think we were truly in danger but I knew about those trucks and I got back on that highway and gone as fast as I could. I wanted to just scoop up every girl we saw and take her with us. We did see the cemetery with all the babies before the trucks showed up - It was heartbreaking. Rows of headstones for babies... Inbreeding, and mothers that were way too young to be giving birth definitely kept the gravediggers busy.

@AnnetteMurphyger 8 месяцев назад

Trucks?

@GoldenMom815 Год назад

These polygamy groups are fascinating and horrifying. I’d love to hear more from folks who have left other groups.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

We just scheduled a recording with a gentleman who left 2nd ward! Coming this week!

@amyjohnson1058 Год назад

I am also from the flds. Thank you for bringing awareness.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks for sharing, Amy! ❤️

@dorisbrannon5141 Год назад

Your photo looks like you were never a Mormon

@rach1972 Год назад

Shelise, this interview had me gripped..really really enjoyed it, cannot wait for the second part. Thanks to Judith too 😊

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks, Rach! Coming this week 😁

@shannamom6129 8 месяцев назад

Judith, you just exude peace and wisdom, and you share your story so beautifully. I literally couldn't believe part one was already over - I was completely caught up in your telling. I don't know if you still see the comments, but I hope you are well. Books were my only means of escaping the horrors that surrounded me growing up. Each one is still a dear friend. Thank you for sharing your truth.

@sngray11 Год назад

I am well aware of the FLDS and the other polygamist cults that separated from the Mormon church. There was this great show on years ago called “Escaping Polygamy” where some ex-members help other men, women, teens, etc. escape and they also run a nonprofit to help them transition into life outside of a polygamous cult. Thank you Shelise for having Judith onto share her story with all of us. 💗

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Right! I’m looking to get Amanda Rae on here. Thanks for watching!

@Yolanda.b Год назад

@Cults to Consciousness You just popped up in my recommended. I escaped on Escaping Polygamy! I'm so excited for Amanda to come on.😊

@fairyspunfibers9098 Год назад

@Yolanda B You escaped with the help of Escaping Polygamy? If so, I would love to hear your story! Perhaps, if you emailed Shelise and told her your story...?

@kylablack8990 Год назад

Aauugghh! What a cliffhanger! Gripping story. Thank you, Jude, for sharing your story with us.

@jedilittlebee 7 месяцев назад

Judith’s inspirational statement at the end reminded me of the struggle a moth goes through to get out of its cocoon. If you open it for them/ie. no struggle, their wings are deformed and they never can fly. Their struggle is what makes them strong enough to fly!

@YvonaLive4Love Год назад

Thank you so much for sharing your story sounds like such a difficult and heartbreaking life this is a fantastic interview ❤

@dannieden5049 Год назад

Wow, this was intense. Can't wait for part 2!

@Leah.Something Год назад

INCREDIBLE INTERVIEW. I was so disappointed to realize this was released today and not weeks ago because now I have to wait for part 2. 😂😰

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Haha oh no! Don’t worry, we are aiming to release part 2 on Thursday! Only a few days away 😁❤️

@Beginnerreadsthebible Год назад

It's probably not that hard to share your husband if you had no choice in marrying him in the first place.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

You know what? FABULOUS point!

@nickywal Год назад

Yep a woman from the order had been forced to marry one of the leader's sons, when he was like you're being a brat I'm going to other wife's house she was just like bye bye. Some of the women do try and then the male leaders in these cults are spoiled, privileged brats who act tough but collapse the second women don't fall at their feet

@kyrroti9921 Год назад

FLDS is scary. It’s much more extreme than what I grew up with in mainstream. The parallels are especially frightening. It’s obviously much harsher for those like Judith, but the same tactics were all around me growing up.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Absolutely agree!

@veronicasmith2612 Год назад

Thank you so much for sharing your story Jude! ❤

@MichaelYoder1961 Год назад

Jude is such a strong, articulate woman with a horrific and compelling story under that monster Jeffs. So glad she got out. There are still people in that cult, even with Jeffs in prison. Thanks Shelise and Jude. Looking forward to part 2.

@archaesophilia4106 Год назад

Ooohkay, did not expect my state to come up on the list of compounds, yikes. Can't wait to hear the rest of her story!

@covertLLC Год назад

I think the movie she meant to refer to when she was talking about being rebellious is "Foot Loose", not "Dirty Dancing".. .. "Foot Loose" is generally more closely related to her situation than "Dirty Dancing". There was no church in "Dirty Dancing", but there was a church in "Foot Loose". The parents in ""Dirty Dancing" were Jewish, and the parents in "Foot Loose" were southern fundamentals which sounds much closer to her upbringing than "Dirty Dancing"..

@taran-ann 9 месяцев назад

I just discovered this channel and i had a friend i used to be pretty close to who was ex-mormon and i never really understood the depth of it and her related trauma. It makes me feel like i wasn't supportive enough, i havent talked to her in a couple years when we both were battling our demons and PTSD. I just hope she's doing okay

@Sarajwatters-ey4xq 5 месяцев назад

Hope I can find part two! I sure would like to hear the rest of the story. Thanks again and God Bless you BOTH

@TeacherKellyTag 11 месяцев назад

Catching up on the old episodes. Can’t get enough of this content.

@CultstoConsciousness 11 месяцев назад

🥰🙌

@Grace.allovertheplace Год назад

Hi 👋 this was so interesting & when you announced it’ll be a part 2 it felt I’d only listen like 10 minutes. Looking forward to part 2. With kindness and respect, Grace

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Hi Grace! I’m happy to hear that! This was even a longer episode 😁 part two is set to release on Thursday.

@Grace.allovertheplace Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness ❤️

@Luna_tia Год назад

Long time lurker, first time commenter. Thanks for this interview! Love your work Shelise!

@florianmaier4586 Год назад

yeah she is a great interviewer

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Haha thanks for lurking, Luna! 😁❤️ and now for commenting! I appreciate it

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

@@florianmaier4586 thank you so much! 🥰

@slaphead8835 3 месяца назад

I cannot tell you how enlightening this information is. Thank you for your efforts.

@HappyExtheist Год назад

This Cult angers me so much! I watched Keep Sweet Pray and Obey; i found it so disturbing that i had to take (extensive) breaks between episodes (no, i didn't grow up in a cult). I watch channels that cover murder and mayhem, etc. but listening to the women tell their stories was so so much more difficult and devastating. But that said, the strength and courage these women had to get away from the cult is truly inspiring. I hope more women (and men) are abe to get out.

@vapiddreamscape 10 месяцев назад

I've been deeply enjoying your interviews! I've been jumping around the back catalog for a few days and I'm consistently impressed by your skills as an interviewer as well as the vulnerability your guests are willing to offer. If possible, I'd love to see you interview Elly of the channel Ex-Fundie Diaries! I think you both would have such a fulfilling, reflective conversation.

@CultstoConsciousness 10 месяцев назад

Hi! Thank you so much! And welcome to the C2C rabbit hole! I will check out your suggestion

@misterdiffiCULT1 Год назад

I love her redefinition of struggle, turning it into an opportunity. Can't wait to hear part 2. (Which I'm just about to do.)

@tanyabrown9839 Год назад

great interview, you both did a good job. I'm looking forward to listening to part 2 (and subscribing)

@deeperthings Год назад

Great work as always!

@dulcieself8426 10 месяцев назад

Omg! You are such an amazing host, you deserve the highest honor for your style of questioning and interacting with your guests. A memory came to me as I listened to your guest tell of all the horrors of the Warren Jeffs group. As a teenager, we would constantly laugh at Mormon missionaries who came to our little island, dressed in their black pants and white shirts. I don't know who decided to send them to The Bahamas but am sure their conversion numbers were very low. I grew up in a Baptist church, with my grandmother as the organist, and she constantly pointed these young men out to me and my brothers as people to stay away from. Ok, I never knew about the details of the wards, the burning of clothes, books, toys and pets, but I always said to myself: intelligent people can never be swayed to believe such things, do such things, dress a certain way, etc. But the more I listen to these various Mormon or ex-Mormon podcasts, I can now see how any human being can become a cult follower. Who knows, maybe the Baptists are one as well. This world is so confusing. Anyway, am sticking to my contract with myself - I am not joining any group. I read and study the Bible but because of my Literature degree, I have a critical point of view to this book, or rather a collection of books. I am meditating and praying more and calling myself a seeker. I have grown to appreciate the spiritual aspects of my life more. We all have the opportunity to do this. There is enough information out there to keep us away from the love bombers.

@starlingswallow 10 месяцев назад

Yes! I grew up Baptist as well and I'm on a similar journey~ I've stepped away from "religion" and Christianity but I am a seeker as well. My husband and I read the Bible and research a lot, we still pray and meditate on God and on love~ it's SO freeing! I have more peace & joy than I've ever found inside a group or brick & mortar building. God is _everywhere!_ I especially find him in nature ❤

@michelep.7249 5 месяцев назад

You mentioned meditating. I would recommend mantra meditation where you focus on a mantra and the breath as you meditate. Anytime the mind wanders you bring your focus back to the mantra and the breath. It is ideal to do this for 15 minutes or more and to do it nearly everyday. This helps calm one's thoughts. An Ideal mantra would be "I love myself" and while breathing in repeat in mind "I love" and while breathing out repeat in mind "myself". Keep mind focused on breath and mantra entire time that has been set aside to do this.

@kristykruger2327 3 месяца назад

SO brave to share your story Judith. I was raised Catholic and struggle with redefining my world without the confines of religion, but it’s NOTHING close to what you’ve been through! You’re an AMAZING woman! Excellent interview!

@fairyspunfibers9098 Год назад

Hi, Shelise! I am so engrossed in this video. The horror of having one's pets destroyed is ... well, unspeakable. I remember seeing several videos on the Bountiful, Canada compound. Ugh! All I could think back then, was, "Ugh! They expect young girls to be bedded by icky old men?!? YUCK!" And then, it was implied that these same older men, desiring only young wives, conspired to get rid of the young men because they were "competition"! Anyway, I got a small chuckle at 1:07:15 when Judith said, "...so, that's where the story gets interesting." I'm thinking..."Uh...you mean, even *more* interesting?!?" Going to go listen to Part 2 immediately after this! 💕

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks for sharing!! Yeah it’s super gross. Enjoy part 2!

@YvonaLive4Love Год назад

Wow amazing interview can not wait for the next part ❤ love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤❤❤

@Jess-xl1wd 11 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for sharing this ❤❤❤

@jeannieterbruggen8072 Год назад

Love this channel so much. Thanks for great content, always. 🇿🇦

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Aww thank you, Jeannie! I appreciate your support! ❤️

@PAB1068 Год назад

Great interview! Waiting to hear the rest.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks, Pia! The plan is to release it on Thursday

@PrincessJamiG Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness - cannot wait!!

@tracybrasells5210 Год назад

Thank You!🌷 for sharing this. I am interested in learning more about the challenges of leaving the cult. Internal struggles of leaving everything you have ever known. What would have made it easier, less traumatic? Some people end up going back because it’s just to difficult and scary. As a neighbor or a friend, how could one support a former cult member, to help them feel supported and make the transition easier.

@janesmith9024 Год назад

Very good interview on both sides, thank you from here in the UK. On the topic of libraries they were so important. In my small town as a child it was the library that gave me access to so much particularly the adults' section. I hope in the UK and US we can always preserve libraries even though people now have the internet too. All kinds of people have been helped by libraries. (I had not heard the surname Bateman associated with the FLDS until the recent Samuel Bateman arrest and his breakaway small group).

@gameplaygirl3268 Год назад

Totally agree about libraries. As a young teen I used to go to Liverpool central library. It was dark and old and there was so many little cubbies and hidey holes I could hide in and spend the day reading. I would just find a deserted corner and sit and read. I loved the smell of old books, the dark wooden book cases and the old dim lighting. I felt so disappointed and sad to visit it recently to find it was all white, bright, light and sterile with no dark corners to hide in. All the old bookcases had been removed and replaced with weird modern shelves. Atleast it's still a big library, but felt very weird, and uninviting

@vlong5537 Год назад

You are doing a very good job on your podcast. Entertaining and professional. Thank you.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thank you so much!!

@sabrinadavis8355 Год назад

Oh my lord, the cliffhanger had to be the biggest record scratch moment for me aughhhhhh 😂😅 but kudos to Judith and all these women who realize that this is not the life for them. The pet story made me want to sob into the dinner I was cooking 😢 just what the hell.

@wardelliaenoch8936 9 месяцев назад

WOW 😲! Those things are in some so called " christian" denominations! I remember my husband and I visiting his sister's church. We sat together near the back . A man came back and asked/ told my husband to sit on the front row. I was a bit upset, we were accustomed to sitting together. In fact my husband was not happy but didn't want to disrespect his sister by making a scene. We talked to his sister about it after service and found out that they did that to keep women away from the front so the pastor would not be distracted or tempted by seeing a woman's legs/knees. My husband was livid! " If he is ' tempted' that is his problem, not mine!" That was our response.

@morgainedeeh7921 Год назад

Jude, thanks so much for charing your story. Years ago, outa interest, I started digging into Mormonism and the Fundamental groups. And I am so happy for all of you that found the strength to "escape". I wish you the very best for the rest of your live. We non-members only can imagine how hard it must´ve been some times or all the time. I know for sure, that a lot of people that escape "harsh" religions have to go into nearly constant therapy and that is very hard to do. It is exactly the same way to escape from an abusive relationship and what I find the hardest part for all of you.- You have to leave the family and beloved siblings behind and I know for a fact, from listening to other ex-members, that the FLDS shunnes "Sons of Perdition" and that you are not even welcome anymore to visit your little siblings, your Mom etc. I hope your healing process is ongoing and you keep up your strength to fight all of the "demons" that might haunt you ones in a while, flashbacks is a thing that might never go away, I know what I am talking about, I had to go into therapy a couple of years ago as well and get the brainwashing outa my head and soul and I was able to reprogramm myself with the help of a very very good therapist. Best thing that I ever done for myself. and I know how hard it can be, to keep yourself strong. . I send much love to you. thumbs up, for your strength and your willpower. Sorry if my typing sounds a bit weird, I am so rusted in, since I left Ireland and went back to the village on the french border where I grew up *lol* my english has gotten rotten *lol* but I hope you understand what I was trying to tell you

@starlingswallow 10 месяцев назад

I understood your typing beautifully ❤ I'm glad you found a good therapist. I am on the journey now of reprogramming ~ I haven't found a therapist yet but I'm reading a lot of helpful books. Bless you!!

@womensarmycorpsveteran2904 Год назад

I’m shocked that I never heard about the animals being killed. I’m an ex Mormon & that would have sent me over the edge. Just thinking about it is making me physically sick. My God would NEVER do that. I’m surprised there wasn’t a mass exodus then. If you hurt my dog, you’re going to have to face my wrath.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

100 percent!! It hurt my heart. I couldn’t imagine. But also, it’s hard to know the mindset they were in. When you’re born and raised to “follow the prophet” and question nothing

@ametrinemoon Год назад

Animals are our buddies, how can you kill them? That's scary

@jojowynne233 Год назад

Hi Shelise and Jude. That was riveting. Jude, I’m so sorry for what you suffered as a child and I’m so proud of your inner strength that kept leading you to find the truth. I loved the story of letting your hair out, dancing and sneaking a few drinks. That would’ve felt so good. You’re so brave to do that in that environment and so brave to find your way out. I did watch the series Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey and have also learnt a lot about Jeffs from other sources. I did not know about the killing of the pets though. He is the anti-Christ as far as I’m concerned. The foul, disgusting things that man has done, and still orders people to do from prison is deranged. One of the last orders I heard he declared was there was to be no sex between husbands and wives. Makes it hard to have kids. I’m so looking forward to part 2. Thank you so much Jude for coming and taking about your story. Shelise, you are such a kind and compassionate interviewer. I love watching you. ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thank you Jo Jo! I agree what Jeffs has done/is doing is awful. Thanks for watching!

@angigutierrez474 11 месяцев назад

This was fascinating very informative never thought this could go on. I can’t wait for another chapter. Just found this channel today..loved. It great info👍😮

@CultstoConsciousness 11 месяцев назад

Hi! Welcome to C2C and MANY dark scary rabbit holes ❤️

@arfriedman4577 Год назад

I'm so glad for the people brave enough to leave these bad situations. Many don't know ways of life outside these organizations and its a shock to them.

@ForestFury101 Год назад

I love this channel! :)

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Aww yay! Happy to hear that!🎉

@bluewolfwalking 4 месяца назад

Oh my gosh, I need to go find the second episode!

@MsPuffMomma 5 месяцев назад

I have fallen into this rabbit hole and don't want out. I have a new understand of High Demand Religions & realize some of the problems my family members are in. Knowledge is power and I appreciate you shining such a bright light.

@uniqueLeo08 Год назад

I was introduced to FLDS, Warren Jeffs, Mormonism thanks to the show Big Love when i was in college. I surely wasnt expecting that topic from the title of the show but I've been intrigued with this cult in particular since then. The mind control the supposed prophet and his dad had on these people keeps me wanting to hear stories from survivors. I really love you got an interview with her. Ive seen quite a bit of interviews, docs, even escaping polygamy and i have to say i learned some stuff with her sharing her experience.

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Hi! I’m so glad you enjoyed it and learned some things. I always do my best to encourage the guests to give lots of descriptions so viewers have the full picture.

@arfriedman4577 Год назад

I heard another FDLS mention they had to get rid of toys. I know they had strict rules and they moved families around to keep them from leaving. I'm so sorry for the loss of your pets. That's awful.

@elizabethwarman9028 9 месяцев назад

Hi Selisle, very interesting. I always learn something new.😊😊😊

@user-cy4vw1qj9m 10 месяцев назад

Very glad I found your podcast.

@Unicolada Год назад

After watching "pray and obey" I was quite confused bc I had only known about mainstream Mormonism so far. Thank you for explaining!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

We have another killer episode coming tomorrow that goes into even more depth about the nuances between them

@MayasDream Год назад

I love you two together! Thank you!!! 💖✨💖

@kelleydonovandancers Год назад

Wow! You should do a PSA on how libraries can change your life!! Knowledge is power!!😊

@sydney.mp4 Год назад

thank you for this amazing interview !! i'm really curious about how health was managed in terms of access to doctors, therapists, etc.? it surprised me when judith mentioned many women were on medications for anxiety since i think i'd automatically assumed from what i'd heard in the netflix doc and mormon stories podcast that a psychiatrist or similar medical professional would be seen as an outside influence. looking forward to part two!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Great question! I will ask my next guest who was from the FLDS as well!

@sydney.mp4 Год назад

@@CultstoConsciousness can't wait :D

@karenbanford863 Год назад

All escapees from whatever cult are so brave to speak out, I am in the UK and learned the little i know from Escaping Polygamy on TV, so many of these men have a lot to own up to, it is all a power trip for them, sadly many won't ever admit they were wrong and are still telling their sons that they need to abuse women, I hope that more and more leave and learn the truth

@dewberry150 Год назад

Can't wait till part 2

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Woo! Dropping Thursday!

@pyenygren2299 Год назад

My parents teached me to use libraries as much as possible. Being alone in a library without a chaperon must have been something extra.

@suzanneboltz1189 10 месяцев назад

Great interview. Judith is a very brave woman. I look forward to watching and listening to part 2. Thank you and may the Lord Jesus Bless you both! 😊✝️🇺🇲❤️

@debbieaylaian2402 Год назад

Thank you so much for sharing your incredible story. You are brave, beautiful and wise. Best of luck to you!!

@MythVisionPodcast Год назад

This is wild! Love it!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thanks, Derek! 😁🙏

@byereality7492 Год назад

I live in southern utah and see polygamist women out and about all the time. Their clothing is fascinating to me. Ive seen one with a short skirt, even though she had pants on underneath. Some wore camo prints, or American flag prints instead of just the plain fabrics. You can see things loosening with Jeff's incarceration

@lyramedi1553 Год назад

Love this channel ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Thank you Lyra! ❤️

@bluewingedchaoscat Год назад

Need to watch this in multiple parts. I can't handle the emotions I'm feeling. Those poor poor animals and all because of the order of a deranged man. So so angry right now!

@CultstoConsciousness Год назад

Take your time. I totally understand! It was a lot to process.

@RosesandBlingPapercrafts Год назад

That man is exactly where he needs to be. Such a shame this cult still to this day is getting away with trafficking/brainwashing children/girls away from their mothers who have escaped and back into the cult. Law enforcement over there really need to step in and shut them down for good.