Unc & Gil are FED UP with Scottie Pippen's Michael Jordan obsession | Nightcap 

Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever. No Scottie, no Jordan rings. The facts.

@@truthhurts837You stated some bullsh!t brother. Jordan was winning DPOY when Scottie was warming up the bench 😂 Best defender ever? No, he was arguably not the best on his own team.

​@@truthhurts837You do realise that the man completely choked for an entire season when Jordan left right?

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@@yougottachillbruh wait... didn't the bulls make it to the eastern conference finals with Pippen and without Jordan?🤔

Exactly. Spoiled brats‼ Players played for way less. And more for the love of the game.

LeSad isn’t it.

​@@antoniowilliams9440 because there all those things teams hire analytical people and they tell teams to sit players stop putting everything on the players.

@@kmo1765it’s 100% on players FOH. Most superstar players sit out at any inconvenience but they you got someone like James Harden or Westbrook who hardly ever misses games. So players can play if they want to, stop trying to blame it on the organization🤦🏽‍♂️

Make it Make sense...that's all I hear....they're bigger faster and stronger yet get hurt more..math ain't mathing

He was the first one with a shoe to himself… the other guys was with converse sharing commercials. Jordan got his own commercial. He was advertised really fucking well. But he did play well to back up his stardom

#Facts Jordan did absolutely nothing regarding the Jordan sneakers. 1. the name "Air Jordan 2. All Shore designs 3. the Jordan fight logo. 4. Spoke Lee promoted and cultivated the Rhode as well #TeachingTime

@@ericsthoughts4657 Not true. See the Puma Clyde which was the first from the 70s.

@@user-kq5hy8lz2w He put his name on them and promoted them. His play and popularity turned them into something great. They were popular way before Spike Lee got involved in it as well. Yes, those commercials are iconic but the shoe was already iconic before that.

@@DrHDoofenshmirtzphdyeah we all know that, idk what the hell he is talking about 😂

Shanon loses all credibility when he talks about MJ’s greatness. The shoes didn’t make MJ great, MJ made the shoes great. The last dance was a bulls story not an MJ story , of course the story of Scottie not going into the game cos he didn’t get the last shot was part of the bulls story and we all witnessed it.

@@Sandalwood11 Right. It was part of Bulls history.

Exactly when you ever seen Nikes in anything 80s? They were going to be just like any other sports brand until Jordan saved them

​@@qualicumjack3906 uh Jordan's was out in the 80s and in the late 70s they had hightop trailblazer was tough 2

Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever. No Scottie, no Jordan rings. The facts.

I think this is the normal consensus now😂😂

I don’t know why they try so hard to shut him up. These guys are disappointing. Always backing the powerful. He has every right to express himself and gives his opinion.

@@faubourglincoln and they have every right to criticize his harsh and delusional opinions lol if he can spew them we all can criticize them

@@BlackBSolz they can be more delusional than him. The problem they are not only criticizing his opinion, they want him to stop giving his opinion.

@@faubourglincoln which is fine cause they explained he keeps going backs and fourth and making dramatic media runs about said opinion. If you had someone you knew that constantly flipped on a major opinion of theirs im 1000% sure you’d feel the same way, they’re not forcing him to just advising him too, it’s rlly simple to understand

I hope not, she been gone.

That 304 was smashed & passed by all types of mofos including Jordan son that's why Pippen so mad

Puxxy cat must be fire😂

And MJ'S son cumin

taking all his anger out on Jordan when Future started it 😂

Damn sure is!!!! When Jordan steps in the room, your favorite player, favorite’s player gets star struck. Facts!!!

​@@sassyone82facts, MJ got louder cheers in Cleveland than LeBron doing that 75 year anniversary team. Let that sink in for a second

Lebrons Shannons biggest man cruah and that’s sus

MJ admittedly never forced player movement. His contract was less than $4mil annually until his final 2 seasons in Chi. MJ did not have GM power, which was the focus of their point. Obviously, he had social influence.

Facts they need to change the NBA logo to the Jump man logo.

I don't get it why haters say that THE LAST DANCE was made to make Jordan look GREAT.. mann..without the doc We all already know that Jordan is THE GOAT... in fact, the documentary was made to focus on what happened in the final season of A DYNASTY.. and in every episode every player gets enough credit... pippen, rodman, and even kerr...At the end of the day, Pippen is just jealous of Jordan getting too much sportlight, and the Larsa/Marcus relationship is making him down.... lol

Exactly! They did a story about each player! Jordan wasn't there when Kerr father was murdered, did Kerr get mad bcuz it was talked about? NO! And Pippen spoke about that play, he didn't seem mad then.

True!!!! 💯

Like the Jackson 5. Michael Jackson is going to be the headline. Jordan was the headline with the Bulls. Period.

@@keykey4642 Jordan's father was murdered too.

Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever. No Scottie, no Jordan rings. The facts.

& your point is?

Yo 😂😂😂😂 U had me at Quiet and calm until you can figure things out. That’s low key therapists talk right there. Pray for Scottie 🙏🏾

Facts

Very true, he trashed a friendship over some stupid bullshit. Jordaan had always given scottie his props, he always said nice things about Scottie, but Scottie's jealousy that he was carrying around for years got to him.

​@punch1420 Exactly Bill Cartwright was hurt by that, and he was crying after the game.

​@solacenmute4840 they had an entire meeting after the game. These folks trying to rewrite history to uplift their fraudulent GOAT

His point was that Jordan was in retirement. Jordan wasn’t a part of the team, so why does Jordan need to talk about it? It isn’t a part of his-story… Jordan’s-story. Not history overall.

@@Rumplegirlskin that's BS. This came out in the episode that covered Pippen specifically and solely. His ENTIRE history from being drafted through the last dance. That included 1994

@@punch1420~ It isn’t that I disagree with that at all. And I think it should have been included. I was just speaking about the possible misunderstanding about the verbiage. Because Shannon said it wasn’t a part of Mike’s basketball history specifically. They could have included it without Mike narrating it. But he easily could have because he said something about watching it transpire during his retirement. I believe that was a major event and leaving it out is foolish. But you are absolutely correct. You should have put that in the main comment section for people to read as well.

They forgot to throw in rule changes catered to the offense

Not to mention the rule changes and the lack of defense that's played now

Youre not bringing up anything that hasnt already been addressed.

And because of those things basketball isn’t near as fun to watch nor is it as competitive

Could you imagine if Larry Bird attempted nearly 10 shots a game when he was playing how many points per game he would have averaged?

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100% facts

Both of them are Jordan haters from those Klutch checks

No. Cuz scottie said a few months ago "f mj lebron better. Actually mj kinda trash" now all the sudden hes "oh best to ever do it. Hands down"

exactly.

Back to back 😂😂😂😂😂

​@@BallCDO cause guys don't wanna do it.

They are more athletic and talented but too many lack basic fundamentals.

More skilled but not stronger. Fast and strong Doesn't always translate to wins in basketball anyway. It's heart and confidence!

@@lapx1way stronger training is beyond what they did back then

Kinda💯👏🏿

No

He was doing chamberlain stuff lol

Speak on it

Other than be extremely tall, thin, blocking and dunking with ease... No! Ralph has about half the skill Wemby does, he can and literally does everything on the court. Ralph was also 21-22 years old as rookie after playing 4 years in college, Wemby coming straight in 18-19 years of old, doing work

Exactly. And the NBA is the only sport that does it 🤦🏾‍♂️

Not only that but back then there was loyalty to a team that drafted you.... players stayed put even if they lost tbeir entire career.... noone chased chips.... you won or you didnt.... you couldnt leave your team by tweeting i want out.... you didnt go play with your friends..... your friends were on your team!!! Everyone else was an enemy

Disagree. Last dance was front page of the newspaper. The thing with longley was page 7.

You have to be pretty damn ignorant to think the last dance is any proof at all of Micheal being a good human being. The dude literally had to approve EVERYTHING that went into that documentary dude. No shit they are going to have to try and appease him. If you listen to folks that have actually interacted with him there are plenty of stories of him being an asshole.

@@Iceman-gm1fu​​⁠​⁠ I mean Luc was a role player… For someone like MJ he DID give a lot of time to a separate doc solely on Luc. I’d also imagine the piece on Longley was a much bigger deal in Australia tbf. I’m a low key MJ hater and I can’t stand the constant glazing but let’s be fair.

@@kerrydaniels8460 exactly. MJ had final approval. He allowed his teammate to be cast in a terrible light when he could have stopped it.

@@impulse_xs it's still page 7 imo. Everybody, millions, watched LD. Id be surprised if 100k people watched the LL thing.

Tom Brady and Brett Favre destroyed that argument. Especially Brady. He was 44 schooling modern day players.

Luka has been a pro since he was 13 years old this doesn't prove anything. And people do say players today are better in the MLB and NFL it's just easier to stand out in the NBA since its 10 players on the court so things are easier to see. You gotta do more to stand out. The NFL and MLB since it's more about the team winning than you popping off the NFL is kinds drifting to being more player focused but it's mainly been on the QBs

TYREKE would burn deons draws off, then next play drop him on a block so hard Deon would sub out

And guess what them same players cook luka and Jokic so what’s your point

And Luka and Jokic don’t disprove this theory because nobody plays defense in this era

Yeah that’s true, that type of pain would make someone go Crazy (lost of child). I just pray for the brotha also 💯🙏.

You had me at “Gilbert is not too smart.” Lol

Exactly, and all the « facts » they’re using can be debated by other arguments, not saying they are wrong about everything but come on, if they could only use valid statements for F sake 😂

MJ must have refused to sign an autograph for Shanon! Thin skinned Shanon

He held the same MJ goat view for 30+ years. It only changed in 2020 because MJs son got with his ex wife. Notice how once that relationship ended, he is saying MJ is the goat again? No coincidence and several people said this already lol.

his view never changed

@@b111xThat’s not true. He was on first take like a decade ago arguing with SAS, saying that LeBron is the goat.

@@Realest1ne No he was not. Literally until 2020, he was ADAMANT that nobody ever will come close to MJ. Do you know what happened in 2020? MJs son got with his ex. Google is free buddy lol

@@b111x you don’t know what your talking about, Scottie been up n down w Jordan since the 2000s

I knowwwww, i keep thinking the same thing.

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the bulls chips were against teams with only 1 HOF on them, there was no competition. Those rings mean nothing

@@nogeagor971 I see why the letters NO is at the beginning of your handle, as in NOBRAINGOR, so let you tell it, chips are ONLY valid now if the beaten team had multiple future HOF'ERS on that team...just plain STUPID.

@@michaellewis621 No it means you need real competition for those rings to mean somethin'

Exactly

Basically

He was on the dream team

Or maybe he’s got a perspective y’all don’t have bc maybe you weren’t on the team ???!

@@donscoopez3942when you have a cult like following people see no wrong in what you do

Get MJs jockstrap out ya mouth. One player had a very good GM and other had a new owner and a team that players and even LBj have said they wasn't playing in Cleveland no matter who was there. Like come D Mitch is the only big name star I that's not LBJ or Kyrie that played for the Cavs in recent years and they both got drafted

@@illicitburn9386 both players went to historically bad franchises, one turnt them into a dynasty one ran to join a finals MVP. Now wipe your knees

@@illicitburn9386Sry but it’s facts in regards to guys building super teams just to win… Bron is still top 5 regardless but he ran to Build Superteams on all his Chips… You can’t even name the teams they beat for the bubblicious ring… But hey, it’s a still a ring…

@@williamsc2429Both the teams he beat for the 2020 championship were just in the Finals lol? What are you talking about?

@williamsc2429 Just because you can't remember the name because you didn't watch just say that. I watched the bubble it was good basketball if you cared about basketball but most nba fans only care about non basketball. Lakers beat blazers with dame and Melo and people were saying if the blazers heat up the Lakers are beat. Lakers beat them then played the rockets with to former MVPs Russ and Haren and they got beat we was then waiting on the flippers to show up and actually have a battle of LA but they lost a 3-1 lead so the Lakers played the Nuggets and beat them to play the heat who that beat in 6. Just say you don't watch basketball. So going to a better ran team after your rookie contract is up because you're home team wasn't doing shit to help you win yeah ok.

100 percent he’s too old to have this much hate for MJ. Funny thing is that we’ve seen how thin skinned Shanon is when people hate on him.

Lmfao what?

@@darrellvice2010bro thinks the doc was about the others, lol

@@williamh.gatesiii8183which it reallys Shannon was jusr hating lol

​@@williamh.gatesiii8183 I mean if he wanted to be literal. His last dance was with the Wizards. So if it was gone be about the bulls it shouldn't just glorify Jordan as if he's the only one that had great nights to get that championship

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You have a strange understanding of the word hate

Not glazing = hating

Where did he hate ? 😂😂😂

He changing the details of history to make Jordan look less than. How is that not hate ? I will give you 1 to start he keep saying the doc was about jordan it was not he was the star but the doc was about the last season. While also giving history of what led up to that final season.

Ikr lol.

😂 you make no sense.

Nobody is pissed my guy lol. They just done with Pippen flopping on if he fucks with MJ or not. Pippen is doing it himself 😂. I'm convinced yall just go stright to the comments without even looking at the video just to get dumb ass takes off

Are they pissed or just talking about topics like every other podcast ? Lmao

​@mauriceervin6055 right?🤣🤣

Gilbert finally admitted that what we have today is not basketball...it's entertainment.

I disagree like I personally feel it the opposite historically the older gen always hates on the newer one.

His ego gets the best of him😅

Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever. No Scottie, no Jordan rings. The facts.

@@truthhurts837 John Johnson? Larry Bird? Jordan's got more all defensive first team selections also. Not that that is the end-all but he wasn't as good a defender as Rodman either. Regardless, you're just completely talking out of your ass.

You just said he had a bad team then say he never made it far in the playoffs ? 😂😂😂

@@mauriceervin6055 Exactly, he didn't make his teammates better. He was an inefficient stat padder.

@@caseysager655 the way ppl throw around the word “stat padding” nowadays is actually crazy

@@mauriceervin6055 Why is it crazy? Did you watch GA play? Is there anything about his game that made you think he was a great player of that era like LBJ, Kobe or Wade?

@@caseysager655 idk averaging 28 points is pretty good 😂😂😂😂 is it not? Going far in the playoffs is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. You literally said he had a bad team… what more could he have done lmao

THIS!!!!💯💯💯💯💯

So you think Stockton can do what Curry doing if da rules were changed, even if you put those guys from da 90's in da gym by themselves they still couldn't do what these guys doing, it's more skilled!!!

@@orlandohenderson2185 Question; Have ever seen John Stockton play live or lived during that time to understand how basketball was played then? Bringing up Steph is ridiculous. It is two different eras with different sets of rules. Two completely different players. As phenomenonal as Steph is, if you put him in that era where he would get hit every game coming off those screens or going to the basket, his shooting percentage would be lower. I'm not saying he would be a scrub, I'm saying his shooting percentage would simply be lower. He would get touched up nightly. Look what Bruce Bowen did to the great Steve Nash in the playoffs in the early 2000s. I'm not saying Nash is Curry but there games are similar. Back to Stockton, touch fouls did not exist much back then. Flagrant fouls today were regular fouls back in the 90s. When you went to the basket you had big 4s and 5s waiting for you and they did not look like Chet Holmgren. No disrespect to him. You got clobbered. Go through that for 82 games and it will wear you down. Modern players don't have to go through it. I can give you a basic example. Put aside Stockton and Curry. You personally could be a decent basketball player. I play you one-on-one in 10 games. 5 of those games I am allowed to physically hit you and the others I can't touch you. Wouldn't you say in the games that I could hit you, your chances of scoring would decrease? You might beat me all 10 games but your shooting percentage would be lower in the games that I could hit you. Isn't that fair to say? Two different eras. All across the board, shooting percentages and scoring are way up. Not just Curry and LeBron. There are role players today averaging 20ppg. Do you know how hard it was to average 20ppg in decades past? Chris Webber, KG, Pippen averaged that in their primes. When teams are scoring 130pts you know something is up. Before you take a slight at Stockton, do your homework. He did not look it with the 1970s haircut and short shorts, but he was a beast. He set hard screens to weaken his opponents, destroyed you on the fast break, wore you out defensively, a master of the pick and roll, and ball movement. Gary Payton Sr. said Stockton was his hardest assignment and I believe him.

That's the thing, I'm not saying everybody during 80's 90's and early 2000's but if you gave most of those guys, especially the Allstars the AAU exposure, the training, nutrition, shoes, these guys have they'd definitely be able to compete in today's Era. But that's rarely if ever talked about.

They didn't talk about Jordan cheating on his wife in the doc.

​@@Dru2037 dumb comment,that had nothing to do with anything on court

If it was an MJ documentary then talk about his real last dance with the Wizards...

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I’ve said that ocho doesn’t need air well with unc.. he’s always behind on certain topics and when unc is trying to discuss a topic in a serious manner.. he’s always joking doesn’t take some things serious as he should.. it can be annoying at times

Because he the goat! The greatest doesn't need to! His haters will do the talking even if it's within his circle of teamates

@@keikun145 I agree

You sound emotional over there. It’s not that serious my guy.

Agreed. His finals record shows that in the big stage, he lost to his peers more than he beat them, all the while playing with over double the HOFers as MJ.

@@jeanjacques7874Classic Karen. People are entitled to their own opinion, kid. Not everybody has to think or feel the same way you do, kid. You’re weird for living in a free country yet try to subject your own feelings on others. 😂

I’m an admitting lebron hater but damn even this sounds stupid to me….. How the fck this has anything to do with lebron…….

This wayyyyy before 2016

There's no winning for Scottie so I'd agree he just needs to move on. However I completely disagree with it being a nothing-burger. There's a reason why one of the most successful teams in sports history won't even speak with each other and I'll never buy that it was because Jordan was "mean". We're talking about professionals, every single one of those guys were driven and competitive. In my opinion Jordan is an egomaniac who has no interest in anything other than perserving a legacy. It's portrayed perfectly with how he treats the media. You critique him, and he'll never speak to you again. You think he does that because he's really that competitive? lol or could it be his way of controlling the narrative? Just think about it, how can you achieve the heights of basketball media without having access to Michael? Therefore you're forced to never critique the man. Personally the same kind of energy was prevalent throughout the entire documentary. Yeah he never said he didn't need them, that'd be too controversial. Instead he makes blakent statements but never specifically describes how his teammates supported him and made him better. There's never any true love, and it ultimately ends with how he made them better.

@@jacetiller3156 The Last Dance describes the importance of Longley, and how he helped the team win. And if I recall correctly, also the shooters like Kerr and Paxson. But MJ joined the Bulls years before the others, and the narrative is, MJ made the Bulls a winning team over years of building. So, the teammates literally weren't with the team yet, to support MJ in the 80's. MJ's and Pippen's defense, for instance, is in many aspects identical, which could be a sign, that the narrative is true.

Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever. No Scottie, no Jordan rings. The facts.

@@truthhurts837 shoot 3s 🤭. Can u tell us his 3pt %?

@@Poetryinnonmotionlol 32.6% (league avg back then) during the second 3peat Scottie avg 36% from 3 lol better then Jordan…

@@PoetryinnonmotionJordan also avg 32.7% from 3 for his career…. lol the same thing as Scottie, so I guess Scottie and mj can’t shoot🤷🏽‍♂️ u don’t know basketball bro

@@xoHaj wtf are u talking about? I wasn't the one that brought up threes or mj?? U said Pippen could shoot threes, that's not true

Out of those players, only Cartwright and Longley were perhaps replaceable. But even they overdid themselves vastly. Hodges, Paxson, Armstrong and Kerr were the league's absolute best pure shooters. And they could do more on top of that. While Grant was said to be the most important defender of the 1st three-peat. And Rodman stopped Shaq, among others, during the 2nd three-peat. Jordan and Pippen would never call any of those replaceable.

@@penkima4923 Why didn't any of those players win all 6 rings like Jordan and Pippen? Because they were replaced, duh

@@Cdub177 What you mean replaced, LoL? Rodman literally beat Jordan and Pippen to win rings as a Piston. He joined only for the 2nd three-peat. And Horace Grant as a Magic, eliminated Jordan and Pippen, so they only have 6 rings.

@@penkima4923 Rodman was swept by the Bulls, lol. Rodman Grant and all the other players were REPLACED. If they weren't replaced they would have all 6 rings like Jordan and Pippen, you must be on the slow side

@@Cdub177 Rodman eliminated the Bulls twice, and lost only once. When the Bulls shot 60 more free throws. And the Bulls still wanted Rodman on their team, because players like Rodman cannot be replaced. I just told you that Rodman left the Bulls when Jordan and Pippen left the Bulls. Why would you talk, if you don't know?

That's not what he was implying.....he was saying it's different and it's change....people don't wanna see change they wanna see if u can do what that person did people wanna see that

Y’all like purposely miss points just to make yall statements valid 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@AnthologistM at the 12:49 mark, Gilbert Arenas said no disrespect, but I was taller, faster, stronger, and more dangerous than Isaiah. So yes, Gilbert is implying that he was a better and more skilled player than Isaiah Thomas, which is crazy!

@@mauriceervin6055 what point did I miss? Please enlighten me

@@countbuffalo6654 the fact that humans evolve ?? He even said no disrespect to Thomas but he’s way more physically gifted

Hmm. Rule-changes require the players and teams to adapt. Which pretty much equals evolution?

Hardaway was a shooting gaurd🙄

@@erichvonmanstein6876 No... He was not.

Exactly

Right...Sharpe has always been ignorant on this...MJ literally globalized the NBA

But at least if he's going to respond, he should come out of the situation looking better. I'd argue he looks worse for the way he's going about it

Oh Shanon realises it, he’s just saying things to discredit MJ so he can prop up his goat whom he refuses to talk about the peds

Oh Shanon realises it, he’s just saying things to discredit MJ so he can prop up his goat whom he refuses to talk about the peds