Today, United placed an order for up to 200 Boeing 787s - the largest order in program history. This deal is great news for Boeing, but it's just as bad for Airbus who now seems poised to lose United's business #shorts
Hopefully American companies decide to keep selling Aibus engines and avionics or they might need to knock on Chinas door. It's funny how all the important parts on europes superior jets are still American 🤣
This comment is after they have fixed that; but the door problems were only on the 737 max, not the 787. Though after they had just fixed that a week ago again, the 737 max spoilers are starting to randomly deploy. 🤦
@@evergrandebestrealestate4854 This is a literal fact, and I was shocked when I found out, but believe it's a petty Airbus vs Boeing console war thing, I guess.
Back in the old days lol when they were still called "United Aircraft Transport Corporation". Now they operate and have management independent from Boeing
I’ve only tried the 380 and even being a Boeing fan, I admit that was extremely comfortable - as much as the 787 - so I can imagine how nice the 350 is!
The A350 is so nice. It feels like an actual advancement. Windows are big, engine noise is barely there and the seat configurations are nice when I flew on Malaysian
UA originally ordered the A359 to replace their older 77E. They then ordered 45 A351 instead to replace their 744 fleet. When Boeing offered them dirt cheap 77W to replace them, UA decided to postpone their A350 order and went back to the A359.
That maybe so but delta doesn’t have 200 767 to replace plus delta just ordered 100 737 max with option for 50 more so that offsets any airbus purchases
I hate the 767…i fly to Chile every year on Delta & it flies a 767 from Atlanta to Santiago every night. The 767 is the worst. Uncomfortable, inconvenient…almost painful. Of course, I fly coach…I’m not rich. Still, LATAM flies a 787….so much more comfortable.
United is so big that they can buy entire commercial aviation sector of India and Pakistan. 😂 They currently have more aircrafts than all of the airlines of India and Pakistan combined. It's like comparing Apple with Xiaomi 😂
@@wayneobrien3332 they definitely didn’t get any protection when they build a plane that literally fell out of the sky, blaming the pilots and then covered it all up
@@wayneobrien3332 not like airbus does that's why boeing has won over airbus in court twice now and the war is back on in 2026 mark your calendars Airbus is going down.. Boeing 2 - airbus O🧐
@@jemand8462 Yup. There’s a reason Airbus has an A320 and A220 final assembly line in Mobile, Alabama, it’s so that the U.S. government doesn’t target the purchase of A320 and A220 aircraft by U.S. airlines at the request of Boeing. It has happened before, that assembly line makes sure it can’t happen again.
The 787-8 / NMA will replace the 767-300ER. The 787-9 will replace the 767-400ER. The 787-10/-10HGW will replace the PW 777-200/-200ER The 777-8X/-9X may replace the GE 777-200ER/-300ER
@@caltrain910 Sort of, but that’s a very simplistic view on things. Planes don’t replace each other, but rather get assigned onto routes and hubs based on passenger/cargo demand, range, maintenance abilities and crew bases. Plus some of the aircraft will go toward opening new markets, especially the A321xlr, if it indeed ends up being purchased, although most will go onto existing 752 routes.
If United doesn't take their A350s order perhaps an order of 22 -8X and 22 -9X can be made to replace their GE 777-200ER and 777-300ER fleet. The 777-8X can be used on ULH/cargo-heavy/hot and high routes out of ORD/EWR while the 777-9X can be used on high-density transpacific routes out of SFO/LAX as well as LHR/FRA/TLV. Maybe they should convert the A350 order to A220s.
@@caltrain910 I’m aware, but the JNB route is flown just fine by the 789 and the others have no altitude issues. 787s operate out of the others just fine as well.
Air India is going to be buying 500 new aircraft... Indigo airlines is adding another 500 aircraft to the 500 they already have on order. Akasha airline is ordering at least 120, as are numerous other Indian airlines ordering lots of new aircraft. India has added 75 new commercial airports in the last 10 years, and more than 200 new airports are either planned or under construction. India could change the whole scene...
@@bmused55 well I have never been in the market for any airplane, so I have no clue. But certainly getting something quicker, when you need it is at least another buying argument?
@@BrunoViniciusCampestrini larger in numbers or longer waiting time? I heard that customers have to wait much longer for an A350, Boing is definitely selling and producing more planes but I suppose they just have a much higher production capacity for that particular plane?
@@kennyangel both. Not only the 787 has a larger backlog (482 - 582 with this new order - against the A350's 410), it's production rate is also slower than that of the A350 (3 787s:5 A350s/month, although that should soon change to 5:6). And even though there are some talks about Boeing increasing the production to more than 5 787s per month, they currently can't even achieve their objective of 5/month.
I don't think this is a majow blow for Airbus. Disappointing for sure. But Airbus has no problems selling their products. If those A350s are cancelled, it won't hurt Airbus. Still, this is a huge order.
Exactly, this just means more A350s delivered to loyal Airbus customers. If anything this is bad for United because they won't be seeing those 787s anytime soon.
United is so big that they can buy entire commercial aviation sector of India and Pakistan. 😂 They currently have more aircrafts than all of the airlines of India and Pakistan combined. It's like comparing Apple with Xiaomi 😂
No no no Coby, huge American conglomerate airline has been told to buy local to keep Boeing afloat, not a simple case of buying the best, just support local!
And how do you know this? Were you a fly on the wall of all those meetings? How is it that someone with no connections to anyone of importance in the airline industry would have information nobody else knows? Making things up yourself doesn't qualify as fact. So either cite your sources, or shutup.
United is so big that they can buy entire commercial aviation sector of India and Pakistan. 😂 They currently have more aircrafts than all of the airlines of India and Pakistan combined. It's like comparing Apple with Xiaomi 😂
@@afcgeo882there has never been exclusivity from United towards Boeing, and Boeing has never expected it. Just as United has not always had best customer status with Boeing. They are 2 separate companies that happen to have the same ancestors.
America protectionism, if this was a European airline doing its airbus Boeing would be screaming. Like it it with bombardier and the EU subsidies thing.
United Airlines already flies the 787 with GEnX engines. If they were to have selected the A350, they would have been stuck with Rolls Royce power. United earlier selected the Boeing 737MAX, powered by the CFM LEAP engine that is a partnership between GE and Safran. They will get a huge discount in pricing for a large fleet purchase.
@@andrewlarson7895 with there being two engine choices on the 787, the engine supplier negotiates the power plant pricing. Yes, Boeing will give substantial discounts, but when you combine a 400 engine deal on 737 MAX with a 200+ engine deal, you’ll get very large discounts by GE. Both GE and RR offer complete maintenance packages where a customer leases engines by the hour all inclusive.
@@gungadinn yeah that's true but Airbus uses the same companies so why would there be any difference in discount there's really not I know I'm retired from Boeing
Wasn't really part of the decision. It will come down since both RR and GE power the 787's of which gives the better deal. It's all power by the hour contracts on widebodies.
United is so big that they can buy entire commercial aviation sector of India and Pakistan. 😂 They currently have more aircrafts than all of the airlines of India and Pakistan combined. It's like comparing Apple with Micromax 😂
What’s your updated take on them potentially ordering the 777X? If I remember correctly from I previous video, you speculated that UA would be the potential US launch carrier for the type since they were the launch customer for the original 777. I think this latest order goes a long way in leaning towards that. Thoughts?
I think the 777X is too big for US carriers. It's the same reason no US carrier ordered the A380. The operators of the A380 are all single hub airlines. Most US carriers which fly internationally have several hubs with different demands. The US airlines have heavily optimized their operations to maximize utilization of these airplane to both fly into and out of their US hubs during the day when they can connect to domestic destinations, as well as arrive internationally at times when they can connect with alliance airlines. This may mean a SFO->Frankfurt plane may return to Newark, where it can leave again on the same day to Europe. But, unless all routes can supply a full 777X of traffic, it makes more sense to operate multiple 787 than have a few unique 777X which are difficult to utilize. This doesn't matter as much to someone like Emirates, as all their flights are out and back, and connections all happen in Dubai. They can utilize different size airplanes with their out and back, and can use the bigger planes on thicker routes. The 777X makes sense here, where they can get scale on routes.
@@johnhaller5851 You're referring to the multi hub structure of the US carriers. US carriers still make a vast majority of their money on domestic routes. They don't need the biggest aircraft since it's all about frequency. Very different market than say EK where it's all international
Hardly true. Delta, along with pretty much every low-cost carrier flies mainly Airbus. The other big 2 also have substantial amounts of Airbus aircraft.
It’s a competitor to the A330-900 which no one seems to understand. The A350 is a competitor to the 777. Coby has even made a video explaining this before.
Why are we arguing in the comments over who is making more money or who’s better between Airbus and Boeing? In the end none of us is profiting from any of their billions. Are we?
Exactly the Nationalism would make you dizzy and those companies couldn't give a toss about the people defending them, its actually quite silly from both sides.
United with this order and the 767 max is going to be mostly if not entirely all Boeing in a matter of years. My guess is they are going to try and simplify the fleet.
If you think you have the ability to predict the future, why aren't you buying lottery tickets? Why are you wasting your talent on RU-vid videos making predictions about things that have zero affect on you whatsoever? Fool.
United tbf picks Boeing seeing as its a american company so probably easier to get better prices and feels more you know patriotic. Airbus still has bigger customers though like emirates and Singapore airlines. But the tides might turn as mentioned by you before that emirates will retire their A380s soon and will need something to retire them with
Emirates will buy the 777X. It's the only thing big enough to replace the A380. Emirates actually wants a bigger A380 but Airbus won't build it. The 777X is bigger than anything Airbus has.
I’ve just flown from London to Chicago using the 787, and I literally felt 0 turbulence apart from entering/exiting the clouds. One of the best planes in existence, I swear.
@@yobb1n544 cheaper doesn’t always mean better but alrighty. Edit: Depending on the fuel pricing the A350-1000 actually costs less to operate per passenger(depending on seating configuration) because it can seat more.
United is so big that they can buy entire commercial aviation sector of India and Pakistan. 😂 They currently have more aircrafts than all of the airlines of India and Pakistan combined. It's like comparing Apple with Xiaomi 😂
United and Boeing are joined at the hip so you know they will use Boeing as they have for over 80 years. United and Continental also are joined at the hip so for one to have bought the other should not surprise anyone.
Might be the case but the A350 is too much an aircraft hence doesn't' fit into United's Fleet Matrix based on the current Fleet structure and the airline's future strategic focus and objectives. The 787 is therefore the right aircraft for United from a Business perspective. Anyone who understands aviation objectively would have made the same decision and an saying this as am Airbus diehard. Congratulations to Boeing
@@andrewlarson7895 Nope. The 777X and A350 are barely in the same size class. Both have their places and both do well in their own regards. It's silly to say one is better than the other when the answer is highly dependent on the airlines and the specific routes they intend to operate on.
I love the way people think Boeing is manufactured in the US and Airbus is made in Europe. When in fact the both depend on one another to produce aircraft. Boeing and Airbus parts come from all over the world and are mutually dependant on one another!
Why would they cancel a customer's order for them? United likely can't cancel its A350 order without losing significant amount of money, which means Airbus doesn't have to do anything. Either way, they are getting paid.
@@jemand8462 It's not a matter of whether they can; it's a matter of whether they *should* as the original comment said, "Airbus should just cancel their a350 order with united." Of course Airbus can cancel the order, but why would they do that when they stand to gain nothing? Airbus isn't the one who wants to cancel - United is. By delaying delivery to 2030 and beyond, United is buying time for negotiations with Airbus and RR to avoid breaking the contract and losing money. So from a business standpoint, Airbus is better off not doing anything and letting United figure it out. If United doesn't cancel, Airbus keeps the order and wins. If United initiates the cancellation, Airbus still gets paid a good amount of money and wins. But if Airbus initiates the cancellation, they get nothing. The Qatar situation is different. Airbus was tired of dealing with Qatar and cancelled their orders to avoid having to deal with them again.
@@edwink1467 Exactly, that might be a good reason to cancel with united, as well. It mus cost a lot if they postpone service by 14 (!!!) years and airbus can't even be sure if they still want it then. I think it could be a rational decision to give the capacity to more interested companies who will actually buy them instead of just postponing
@@jemand8462 No, there is no reason for Airbus to cancel the order. They are not concerned about A350 delivery slots after 2030. Airbus knows United will have to make a decision sooner or later. What's the rush?
It’s kinda funny how United and Delta are complete opposites in terms of what aircraft company their management prefers. Delta looks like they’re trying to become an all-Airbus fleet, whereas United seems to want to have a mostly Boeing fleet.
@@afcgeo882 They did order the -10 variant, which likely will be cancelled. So Delta will either have to switch to the -8 and -9, or cancel that order entirely.
@@ryan_n05 We don’t yet know if the -10 will be cancelled. Boeing has said that they don’t expect the certification until Summer 2023, so there’s time for Congress to pass an extension even in 2023.
@@ryan_n05 Not from Southwest pilots, the largest operator. Also, the APA is not the one who has a say in this matter. ANYONE who claims something definitively while it’s undecided is simply displaying their lack of basic intelligence.
Continental has always had a strong relationship with Boeing. I worked for Continental for over a decade Since the days when Gordon Bethune ran the company, and he was the Boeing guy in charge of the 757 development if memory serves, they’ve ordered Boeings.
With the large number of 787 orders, it's time to start back to building them in the Everett Washington plant. Ironically, United Airlines was born out of Boeing Air Transport before the monopoly break up in the 1920s.
And has nothing to do with this deal. The problem with Everett, they can't build the -10 there. BSC can handle rate 14, which is pretty decent. It may could get to 16, but would be tough.
United themselves said that the A350s were to replace the 777s soon after the 787 announcement, as those 100 firm 787s are to replace the 767, so those Airbus orders aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Could this mean that United might be getting 777Xs to replace aircraft on higher-capacity long range routes? Once the original 777 production line gives way to the 777X, it’d seem like a realistic option given their interest in staying with Boeing.
@@yolo_burrito So why then exactly did they change from a decision for the (much better and newer) A350 to Boeing? You're 100% in the wrong here. In a big industry, the majority of the decisions are political
@@jemand8462 maybe the 787 just fit them better for example training the crew, discounts, relations, the size etc United chose Boeing because it clearly works for them the a350 and 787 are not competitors so there is no reason to choose one over the other, I think they want the flexibility of an airplane the size of a 67 rather than that of a 777 otherwise why wouldn’t they get the a350. That said they may get the 777x but again crew training and a cheaper price would be major factors
@@jemand8462 the 350 slots closer to the 777 not the 787. The 787 is newer than the 350. There is very few superior planes some just have better business cases. Some older aircraft are used because of their capabilities like the 757 not because they are newer or more efficient.
Hardly a blow. So Boeing have to discount things so much because people don’t want them as a first choice and they end up selling for less than cost. Everyone with a degree in economics knows you can’t do that forever.
The only reason that United ordered the 787 is that it's smaller than the A350 but they can squeeze in the same number of seats as an A350. You get smaller seats in the 787 though.
2015-2023 Singapore airlines joins the chat with around 170 a350s and 20 a380s with emirates who has around 90 a380s and 60 777s followed by scoot airlines who has 200 a320-232s LAUGHING IN THE CORNER
The 787 isn’t a Boeing. It’s outsourced parts that are supplied by the cheapest vendors possible then assemble by Boeing staffers pushed to the limit to pump out as many planes as possible.
