So after watching the full video I have some notes - HDR does work! But some titles flickered when HDR was on so its listed as unsupported - There is a perf hit, but some games are FPS locked like some Bethesda games & Elden Ring, there's also emulators too. In those instances this tool makes the most sense. - All frame generations, even advanced ones simply try to recreate the image even if its flawed, so if you give it a flawed image it will output one. So the Hogwarts Legacy example is more of the fault of UE5/the devs, that FSR3 mod also ghosted pretty bad. But LSFG may ghost less than FSR3/DLSSFG since its not TAA based like those, so they'll add there own TAA based ghosting then amplify it with there frame gen so in a situation where you can play without TAA LSFG should be less ghosty which is a plus. - You can use upscaling to claw back some of the LSFG performance (or just use upscaling by itself instead, as it will have no perf overhead). LS1 is the apps own proprietary upscaler, it's a spatial upscaler that used a neural network in its training, thus is superior to even FSR1. The only downside is it may be oversharpened in some games in which case it may not be the best but other than that it preserves detail better & has no ghosting or temporal blur. 1.18x - Ultra Quality+ (85%) 1.3x - Ultra Quality (77%) 1.5x - Quality (66%) 1.7x - Balanced (59%) 2x - Performance (50%)
Also normal frame gen has an FPS hit too, & that FPS hit grows larger the weaker your device is/more GPU bottlenecked you are. In CPU bottlenecked scenarios all frame generation improves due to this fact. In normal FG it's just hidden from you since it displays itself as real frames and doesn't let yourself see how many real frames you're getting underneath. So this isn't anything out of the ordinary. This is why frame gen uplifts performance by about only 80% or less a lot of the time despite "doubling" the framerate because its lowering performance by about 20% then doubling that FPS.
Imho the performance overhead to use lsfg is way higher than normal dlss3 or even fsr 3 or amd fluid motion frames,it's like an 25% hit on the games i tried
I wonder what's the latency penalty like. I'd like to use it for fighting games as they're locked to 60, but latency is very sensitive for these games. I would guess it would add at least 16ms since you need to hold one frame, and then maybe some extra MS for processing to take place? If you're aware about latency id love to know
@@Superdazzu2 not that much higher but it will matter more due to having to cap FPS. Turn on FSR3/DLSSFG and whatever framerate is half that is your real FPS, which will show you how much perf is being lost. Which will be higher based on your GPU and if vrs the bottleneck in that game
Buddy you just changed my life. I have been busting my ass for years trying to get old games like Zelda Orcarina of Time to run at 60 fps. This Worked!!!! I am so happy right now. You can get OOT to run at 60fps with mods, but it causes all sorts of issues because the physics of the game are tied to the framerate. The rendering with Lossless Scaling is not perfect, there is some artifacting while panning quickly, I really don't care about that the game feels smooth finally
Although 30fps to 60fps isn't ideal, older/simpler games are probably the best case scenario for that sort of interpolation since they're simpler they will cause less artifacts. Especially since a lot of PS2 era games had fixed cameras or limited rotations.
@@Labib-dw1lk I spent the last few hours testing every retro game that runs at 30 fps. The results are astonishing. Some games, such as Mario 64 have no perceivable artifacting, probably due to the slow camera speed. Frame Gen does not do well with Fog effects, Silent Hill 2 has nearly all the fog sort of glitching and was quite distracting, but for the most part its been excellent. I will move on to game with 60fps trying to run at 120fps next although its almost unnecessary So far FG has worked in every game I have tested
@@kyledupont7711 that’s lovely I might try it with CoD3 as it’s 30fps(I don’t expect good results since it’s fastPacedShooter but here’s to hoping). Also regarding OoT did you try ship of harkinian?
Hey before I watch the full video I want to thank you for putting not free in the video title as to not mislead people, & although I'm not the lead developer/owner of the steam page I want to explain why the program is paid. First thing to note is this is a TOOL, not a mod, and the LSFG frame generation and LS1 upscaler are proprietary, they were not borrowed from AMD or Nvidia they were developed in house so its different from a paid mod. The engineers who made DLSSFG and FSR3 were also paid, the developer of LS was not unless the program is purchased. The program also works on more things than just games (like on movies). Lossless Scaling also comes with community supported localizations & regional pricing. We are also very fair with refunds if the app does not work for you or you don't like it. With that said we also have zero DRM because despite the piracy risk we don't want to inconvenience users. I hope these facts can make the price a easier pill to swallow but I am sorry it wasn't free. Thank you for making the video Ariel
Also FG is pinned in the Steam discussions tab as an update, I think it's not added to the steam page yet as a selling point as it's still early days. We want to improve it as much as possible first & streamline the process.
I like the way you are seeing the path to good MODs that is worth paying for and activate the enthusiasm for the devs. Some mod makers are so good and clean from the toxic corporate greed, that it is worth to pay them money for their work.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648those are for upscaling videos. Likely can be added as a plugin for mpv You can look at mpv motion interpretation plugins. There are also non real time interpretation algos. Topaz is a paid front end for some. Svp is smooth video project, they have been around for a long time. I beleve its paid.
Kudos for making a review. I have it and I use it to convert 30fps games to 60(because I don't have a high refresh monitor right now). It is definitely hit or miss but its good enough when it works.
Just tried it on FF7Remake @60fps. Holy shit ty for showing me this. Instant purchase. The HDR didn't work for me, but I have no doubt it'll be fixed with future updates!
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I paid like two dollars for it idk how long ago, and its great for old visual novels that are like 720p or lower. I might try out the framegen sometime this week with nvidia's DLFG -- two frame gens! see how that turns out
Thank you for information about lossless scaling. It works very well . I checked it on retroarch and ryujinx as well in modern games. Scaler option and Frame generator work well. In riva tuner you need to limit frame ratee to half of your monitor/tv max refreshrate . I have checked asus tuf vg32vq BFI VA panel. And BFI adds a little motion clarity over native 144hz but colors loose vibrancy and they are just weak. I think LEDs backlight need to work on over 60% max power to have good colors. BFI duty cycle is 40% in this monitor. Monitor have 450Nits but in 40% of leds power leds loose color gamut a lot. That's why I prefer regular 144hz in this monitor over BFI.
I also checked the software BFI in retroarch vs hardware BFI.(120fps thanks to lossless scalling ) and the smoothness of motion is the same on a 120fps monitor, (sofware vs hardware BFI). But sofware BFI adds tails that are not visible on hardware BFI. But I don't use bfi anyway due to poor colors both in software and hardware bfi
It works great on Portal With RTX, I couldn't notice any input lag (in fact I had to turn off Reflex because it was increasing look sensitivity too much), so now there's no need for a 40 series GPU if you want frame gen or waiting for someone to implement FSR 3.
If you do an extremely high speed motion like full speed in Sonic it really doesn't work, just reverts to low framerate appearance. But, for most situations it's a huge benefit.
I tested here, it's pure shit like every motion interpolation system that I ever see. I don't recommend the use, but Lossless Scaling have other scaling feature that works REALLY well. I suggest you to use the old version (2.5.0). I don't know how they made it, but works amazingly well. I can jump from 80~90FPS to 140FPS on TLOU without any input lag beind added. Slcae=LS1 and FG=LSF1 are my settings. Don't what happened, like I say, but it's all rendered on engine/gpu. So you can even see these frames with MSI AB or any other app that have monitoring system.
Thanks for pointing out this mod tested with my legion go 144hz screen makes quite a difference 😀 .next i will test it with msi ge67 240hz oled. Many times i se comment legion go cant achieve 144 but now it comes handy . And same was for ge67 you will never hit 240 hz we will se 😀.
Tried it and I use it, it looks good 60/120hz or 72/144hz in 3rd person game, in FPS games are garbage too many artifacts and they are quite noticeable. I have an RTX 4080 and tried mostly in games that don't have FSR3 or DLSS 3 Frame Gen. Tried it in Control 4k Max setting with Ray Tracing 60/120hz very demanding game, the game looks great especially in combat. One of the games which is difficult to run at stable 120-144fps is Batman Arkham Knight, this looks great in 4k Max setting 72/144hz mode, additional smoothing and visibility for effect like rain all looks great now. Tried it also in 2D game like Rayman Legends in 60/120hz game is locked at 60fps ghosting at that frame rate on my monitor is visible, with LSFG it looks great ghosting is at a minimum. It is very simple and easy to use and should be tried at least. Its varies from game to game, it is not for every game and works especially well with controller and Special K if the game of interest is compatible with it, because it has an Nvidia Reflex Low Latency mode that helps reduce latency
This is the most important software I ever bought in my life, it allows 60 fps locked fighting games street fighter etc to be displayed at 120 FPS this is HUGE because even OLED looks like garbage if ur only getting 60 FPS and we don't have perfect backlight flicker like CRT to remove the blur, also most esport monitors with good backlight strobing caps doesnt go below 120hz anyways It also allows you to run youtube in your browser at 120 FPS also, everything is insanely smooth I wonder what is the difference between this mod and a TV using interpolation AI feature?
BRO Love Your Work, Let Me Help You Dog Cause I'm A Huge Fan Of Motion As Well And I Got The LG C1. FOR 120hz Experience Bro Do This. 1. Turn Your Oled Motion Pro On To High 2. If Your On PC Keep It On Windowed Mode INSTEAD OF FULL SCREEN Because At Full Screen The Motion Functions Will Grey Out In HDR Mode. HDR Is Amazingg So The Combination Of HDR, 120hz, and OLED MOTION PRO Set To High, You Will Eliminate That Ghosting Your Seeing In This Video Bro. Try It And Thank Me Later God Bless And Much Love From THE GOAT OF THE GAME HipHopGamer
It might not be free but it's cheap and it's not some scu*bag milking people for each and every games on a stupid patreon, it is not a mod, this is an app on Steam that will work on every games but also emulators and movies! it has a integer scaler for pixelart games and a FSR alternative that honestly looks closer to DLSS than FSR to me. Wonderful job. But they need to add BFI, rofl
Hi. I was waiting fost this software for a while.. for games like Rayman Legend and Origins, Youku's Island Express, Cuphead , Castle of Illusion and other games that have only 60fps and now i can make them run at 120fps. It'a very ok for an interpolation software, good quality
Hey Plasma hope you’re well , this was recommended to me yesterday and was waiting for your video on it ! I have a question though ; if you have a game that supports the dlss to fsr3 mod , which one looks better the fsr3 mod or the lossless scaling frame generation ?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 many thanks , I wanted to play gta 5 with a graphics mod but my laptop cannot handle it at 60 fps , I only found 1 paid mod that implements dlss upscaling and frame generation but the FG only works on 40 series gpus and my laptop has a 3060
My Samsung has a built in Game motion smoothing feature. I use it on my PS5 and it seems pretty good, honestly the only way I can handle 30fps games on Oled otherwise the stutter makes me motion sick. I'm wondering if you've ever had a chance to try it and if so how does it compare to this technique & FSR 3? I keep on meaning to check out FSR 3 but I've been too busy playing through all the PS exclusives I've missed 😅.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 They need to withhold the latest real frame in order to compute the interpolated frame from the latest two real frames, and display it before the latest real frame. So it seems interpolation always introduces increased latency.
Hello, do you think it would be better to wait for the 4k oled 240hz monitors or to get an LG C3 42inch now? At the moment I have a Corsair XENEON 27QHD240 monitor, and I would like to use the LG C3 as a secondary monitor for browsing movies and occasionally gaming. Thanks in advance for your reply.
this program doesn't really add extra latency or anything its just keep the original latency of your real fps (if you play @30 and use the FG the latency will be the same as 30 fps and if you have nvidia reflex its will be like a real 60 fps
@@xCarbonMan okay okay harsh disagree on 30fps interpolated to 60 feeling like 60 with nvidia reflex, i would argue 60 framegened to 120 with nvidia reflex is REALLY nice tho. 30 to 60, eh its like serviceable, i played cyberpunk in rt overdrive like that but thats cyberpunk so i dont mind.
i want steam to add supersampling option like it does for VR headsets, you can use nvidia dsr, but its a pain to use, and some games it doesnt work, unless you change your main screen to dsr res then open the game or edit game cfg and change to new dsr res and read only it. or nvidia or amd add supersampling slider and also add driver level anti aliasing, all the old options in nvidia dont work, they only work for dx9 games or something
The tool is called Lossless Scaling its on Steam. I'm going to try it out on emulators imagine if you can use it to play all those 30fps games that require hacks to run at 60 or they flat out don't have any hacks. That would be a game changer for me, I just cant play at 30fps
Many people play at 30fps with this tool and love it, but we all have our preferences & sensitive. But since older games are simpler 30fps is much more acceptable in terms of the generations quality fortunately, but still it's something you'll have to see for yourself.
@@Hybred I am playing Zelda OOT that should be at 30 with the tool it's now running at 60fps. I love it!! The artifacts are not bothering me, I'll play any game like this
when using FSR FG with nvidia, native in game or with mod, can we always use reflex on (+boost as well?) if the game has it in options? is special k injection still necessary?
Plasma if i want to try HGIG should I increase visibility to make it a little bit brighter? Or should i use fine tune dark areas to do that from one of ypur videos
Low Latency is important but 2x the FPS improves the motion clarity. That's a tradeoff I'd take any day, even for FPS. This LosslessScaling actually has a Low Latency penalty, insignificant, I'd say
I believe so. The input lag might be worse than using interpolation on a TV, though. Also, the problem with bloodborne is that the frame pacing is terrible, so interpolation won't work very well. They need to remaster it, and I don't know why it is taking so long
OLEDS have ideal GtG for the refresh rate, and that's why they closely follow the Blur Busters Law, which tells you that motion clarity is limited by persistence
I haven't tried it, but I would try to find a deal on a C2 or C3 new or used. I know C2 were going as low as $500 for the 48 or 42 inch. I'm not sure what the prices are right now or what size you're looking at but I would start looking for deals as they get ready to get rid of last year's stock.
VRR is waaay too important for gaming to not have. Buying a new monitor for gaming without it is a really really bad idea. It absolutely should be priority 1. Fixed refresh rate monitors are dead to you. No ifs ands or buts.
It depends. With this Mod, I'm using it changes. Also, the ICC profile I'm using for Auto HDR changes it. If you ask me about vanilla SDR, I'd say default 50
the Lossless Scaling ap itself has an option to display rendered frames which seems accurate. Also noticed lately after burrner's rivatuner has started displaying two columns of statistics one for example at 60 fps then a double column which is the same except showing 120 fps which again proves the extra rendered frames
for hogwarts legacy theres this mod called "Ultra plus better lighting and performance" that enables a nicer TAA GEN 5 wich looks way better than default.
Good question! It should have less latency, especially since it can be used in the proper game mode but in terms if artifacts & perceived smoothness I have no idea. But most likely.
I'd say the C1 at 60 looks better in some aspects, but the input lag of this app is impressive. I'd use this over the C1 outside of Game Optimizer Mode any day
@@johnm4397some games are hard capped at 60fps like Bethesda games, Elden Ring or emulated games. In which case this tool breaks that barrier & helps you utilize your card more.
I have a 4090 and will be buying a 5090. I have been downscaling to 4k from 8k for extra fidelity, but requires 4x the processing power. Using DLSS, Samsungs interpolation and now this - it's amazing how little fidelity loss you get (actually a huge gain) from all these resources. The most mindblowing thing of all, is knowing how many pixels are created from the original raster.
If they add any lingo what so ever about frame generation, nvidia will sue them and destroy them. Better they keep their English free of any nvidia terminology 😅
