In the older versions we had no UI detection algorithm at all & now we do, & we continue to fine tune it so it doesn't over or under compensate. In the video I noticed when your white crosshair went over the white sky/waterfall is when it glitched the most since it was the same color, otherwise it was fine. Also if you click on the "Discussions" tab when you're about to launch tht program you can see even more updates & a pinned post on how to improve interpolation results. Thanks for the video! Wasn't expecting it.
You are doing such incredible work. I wish I could buy LS five times. That said, I would love to see you experimenting with GFN, as Nvidia uses the same bitrate for 4K 120FPS as 4K 60FPS, which makes no sense and obviously worsens the stream's overall IQ. So, I would rather stick to 4K 60FPS and use LSFG instead. I tried it earlier today and it already works surprisingly well. Far from perfect, but it works.
This tool is a blessing for the Windows handheld community. It enables games, which can reach a locked 60 FPS on the ROG Ally, to fully utilize the screen's 120Hz refresh rate. It's a sight to behold. If they somehow manage to create a Linux version of their app, their success will shoot through the roof.
@@njemtgThis absolutely requires a locked framerate to work its best. If your base framerate is fluctuating this will look like crap. What I typically do is I run the game at the target resolution I want to scale from ( on my Legion Go, I usually run the games at 1280 x 800) and figure out the settings I want to use. If the consistent FPS is 50 I may lock it to 40 FPS to account for the postprocessing overhead. As long as you feed it a stable FPS you'll have an awesome experience.
Lossless scaling is a great app and option for getting improved motion clarity I use it in a couple of titles, Kingdom come deliverance works amazing, it's very slow paced game with minimal hud elements but has a horrible CPU bottleneck in main city which means even with my 7800x3d I can't really get past a stable 60fps, so using LSFG to get 120fps motion clarity in that game is fantastic. Also I haven't been able to keep up with all the HDR video's you've done recently but RTX HDR has been a god send for me, it just works in every game hassle free, perfect black levels, correct nit value it's everything auto hdr wish it could be... Only annoying thing is the perf impact however I am fortunate in the fact my current GPU has enough spare head room to make than a non issue for me personally. RTX HDR works amazing for emulators as well as someone who tends to use CRT filters which darken the screen considerably.
I'm in exactly the same position, got decent rig and can just turn it on and start playing, it's how things should be, but the majority of the developers don't care about HDR, which I just don't understand.
Few tips as I just got the tool too, You can set a hotkey for enabling/disabling. I have also noticed that if you cap your games to a frame rate that you can comfortably run, it is alot better. Some games have issues however such as Phasmophobia, that seems to slow the actual engine down somehow Great video anyways!
5:50 The frame draw pipeline time between RTX 3080 and RTX 4090 is pretty huge. The improvement on the graphics draw pipe line is huge every new generation, the RTX 5000 series will be mind blowing!
I solved the performance tax problem by using a cheap secondary GPU (a GTX 1650) from which I output the video signal. I set Lossless Scaling to use the 1650 for frame generation while my games use my 3080, the result is incredible, no additional usage percentage on my main card. If you have windows 11 you can set your high performance card as the main card, remember that the video output must come from the "cheap gpu" otherwise lossless will also use the high performance card :) let me know if you try, now I only play like this several months and it's fantastic!
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You can get brand new cheap GPUs or second hand ones since it doesn't have to be powerful at all, can spend like $40 on a low-profile super small GPU you can just throw in your case. Not many people I know do it but it works & is probably worth the investment for people who use the app a lot
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You can get a very cheap weak GPU for like $40, you don't need anything powerful or new. So if its an app you will use a lot then it might be worth the investment.
I absolutely LOVE how Lossless Scaling just keeps going from Strength to Strength. Being able to play games that are capped at 30 or 60 in smooth 120+ is awesome.
OpenAI Sora can render super detailed very complex motion with very minimal pixel defects already, in couple years this all will be done real time! The render issues we see now with scalers, in a couple years will be down to just couple pixels instead of hundreds of pixels!
Lately instead of using rtx hdr I’ve been using the gamma 2.2 profile at 80% for 400 nits. Set max cll and mastering peak to 400 with DTM off or I use hgig if I don’t want the screen too bright. Both look good. Max cll 400 with DTM off works good for oled motion.
I luckily don't suffer from any motion sickness, but once you get use to good motion clarity in games, bad becomes absolutely unplayable, just horrendous to at, regardless of how pretty a game's graphics may be.
Great video as always, at the start of the video you referred to a "review code", is it the next unreleased update or are you still using the 1.1 udate?
Have a look on your phone's video recording for slow motion mode, you can use it to measure input lag buttons to pixels. I have 88ms buttons to pixels on Samsung plasma with either scanline sync or Vulkan vsync with swapchain set to 2 frames in the driver. Anything under 100ms feels good to me.
I also had issues with getting HFW to run smoothly (my PC told me it was running at 120fps, but it was obviously stuttering). IIRC it had something to do with my GSYNC settings through the NVidia control panel. I think I had to change it to "Both Windowed and Fullscreen" mode, even though I was running the game in exclusive fullscreen. Either way, I ended up with it running perfectly with framegen at 120fps. Edit: Oh, it might have something to do with you using motion pro, I wasn't using that
youtube onle have 60fps max so we cant actually see the diff. but if you were to shot a 120fps veido and slow it 0.5 time,then upload it. when audiance play it at 2.0 speed, we can have a 120fps veido.
Did your LG C1 get the new webOS 23 update? My C2 did and it changed some of my settings using a PC.... A lot of options are greyed out (color depth, clarity, etc) and no more several "game modes" like fps etc. A new setting like game color depth and game sharpness has been added but it's not easy to understand what's default and what's better....
i cannot get my head around windows hdr saturation in the app, is 0 the correct and true value? how much saturation do you guys use? on my hdr 400 (i know, fake hdr) screen, hdr looks miles better than sdr (lg 27gp850) but i'm still trying to fiddle with hdr settings, expecially saturation, which oversaturates reds and i can lose detail in reds when going above 20-25
60bfi will be cleaner, but 120 lossless scaling will allow full HDR brightness. I'd say it depends on the game. HFW is so bright all the time that BFI flickering might be more annoying
hi ariel I have a question about the autohdr. At what value do you set the "hdr intensity" slider for the lg c3? This slider can be found only when you are inside a game using the game bar menu.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 But if I set it to 100% and then take some screenshots the HDR + WCG app shows me that there is many instances with a maxcll that is higher than 800.
This fame generation even works on fighting games locked to 60 FPS, street fighter, gran blue, DNF duel running at 120 FPS is stunning and truly a sight to behold. it looks like real 120 FPS as if the devs animated it from scratch
love this channel, really deep down knowledge. A question.... i use HDR 400 and am i right? It is trash and a scam... right? i use SDR again and the picture is often much better. Other question, i play Conan Exciles and use Lossless Scaling with FG. But the results are terrible, some advices to improve this? I use an RTX 4060 TI.
HDR is broken in most games. SDR should never look better than HDR even on a lower end HDR display unless the HDR calibration of the display is very bad, the contrast is reduced by LCD backlight when pushing more brightness, or the HDR implementation is bad.
To use LosslessScaling with FG at the same time might work at 240Hz+, LosslessScaling needs the cleanest based image possible to do a decent job and if FG is already adding some noise then it can become a mess
Thx :) often i even dont know if HDR (win 11 Auto-HDR) is even active. I have an IPS Panel with max auf 408 nits. And thx again for your time @@plasmatvforgaming9648
@Plasma TV. Important question. Is it normal that I detect ZERO difference in motion on my LG C3 when playing a game at 30FPS, De-Judder 10/10 together with BFI?! Besides the loss in brightness, no matter how I spin the camera, I detect zero motion difference with BFI on/off with De-Judder 10/10. Is it so that we must either use DE-Judder 10/10 or BFI ON but not togeher ?! I have no explanation for this.
Hello,how do i record games in HDR mode but keep the viewing experience the same for SDR viewers? does youtube automatically re-colors HDR videos for those that dont have hdr enabled?
thanks for the video! have you checked the HDR support? Because the tooltip in the options of the lossless scaling app says that HDR mode would double VRAM usage? can you confirm that? that would be quite the price to pay for more fps also you can show the "real" fps after Frame Generation is enabled by activating the option in the app's menu as well cheers
The only downside whith the program is that it dose not work with RTX HDR.. i love the program so far and its one of the best FG trick out there for almost everything
Use both frame gen fsr and lossless together... I doubled my fps in Microsoft flight simulator... With FSR mod, i used to get 45-65... When using both FSR mod and lossless, i get 109 fps with smoothness.. shutters are very very less after performance option added in the program in new update
Wondering if these guys can instead of adding motion interpolated frames add black frames instead. So we can have bfi on the newer tvs where the function has been removed or lowered.
Did you download the latest rtss? The game and frame gen in particular have big issues. That completely solved them for me. I'm sure they've uploaded it to github by now. There is a fix in there for this game and elden ring. If you are running rtss older than 7.3.6, you need to update it asap. I found the beta in the dev forum but they said they were going to do a full release within a day or so(this was over a week ago) It's something to do with core affinity and the way rtss is reporting. This game and elden ring got a massive fix on 7.3.6 and it runs smooth as butter now
is there a way to make a 4k Lighting Storm custom screen saver with after effects or something & upload it to the tv so one can have it as a Screen saver?
I only have 3060ti and trying to play this on 4k performance dlss. You think i should use LS in this scenario, i dont think i can hold 60fps the whole game. If I cap to 50fps and then use LS on top would that be better than only perf dlss 4k.
Hey there I bought this program after seeing your video, tested it in Alan Wake 2 after setting my Lg cx to 60hz and limiting fps to 30 in rivatuner. I average 45 fps in my current 4k settings and use rtx hdr, after turning on lossless scaling the result is abysmal, looks much smoother at native 45fps, tons of issues panning around even if it brings the fps from 30 to 60. Is rtx hdr the problem? I have disabled rivatuner overlays
RTX HDR is conflicting with LosslessScaling based on this comment section. The creators of LosslessScaling recommend 60 to 120 minimum. For AlanWake2 use the FSR3 FG mod for RTX GPUs if you can plus a modification on the config file that I shared before
For me the quality is horrible. Look at smoothfrog with 30fps to 60 and fast scrollspeeds like 2600px/sec+, it will look like 30fps but worse. Fails to increase motion clarity or even smoothness, just looks like doubling. It only works on slow speed of movement, and even then the artifacts are insane, even on like 300px/sec scrolling. I just re-tested the latest beta, so my view on this is still up to date.
I checked the game sonic the hedgehog 2 on retroarch(sega genesis) +CRT SHADERS and here my thoughts: 60 fps on LCD : boring not engaging 120 fps on LCD thanks to LSFG . It looks beter, but game is still boring non engaging and when the background is moving very fast smearing effect occurs and everyting looks bad. 60FPS on PLASMA TV: WOW, game is engaging, motion is perfect. i game looks very good even on fast moving background. I think the smoothness of movement is as good as on CRT but I haven't played on CRT for years :) LSFG is good for modern games on LCD and OLED. For retro games plasma tv is the best choice.
You realy need samsung oled frame generation there is great mittle setting i se zero artifacts and higher setting 9 and 7 almost zero but so smooth if 60 fbs game target
I'd use test patterns. Near black to check if it is crushing, color clipping to set the color saturation, and use the Color Temperature Meter app to set the white balance I like (Warm)
