Unregistered 265: Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro 

Why? He’s full of shit. Thaddeus Russell is a suspected Nazi sympathizer

I’m so sorry to hear that. Luckily, there’s still quite a lot of Jews that wants to carry the torch and pass it on to posterity.

@@linuswang6572 😂

Can you please tell me more about about "Jewish by birth" thing? Im really interested what is the basis of someone born jewish or not.

You can still identity as a hebrew/israelite but not as a jew if you don't practice the religion

You should be.

@@thaddeusrussell I hope you noticed the flaw in Shapiro's argument. The Neturei Karta is pro Palestinian as Jews in term of religion, not ethnicity or race or nationality. Both his analogy and yours (Richard Spencer) are flawed. The closest analogy is the Abolitionists which uses the scriptures to oppose slavery.

Yeah, many people loves a good a submissive Jew. History shows that Jews definitely needs their own state out of safety concerns.

@@GetLucky-zc1fxYes, Neturei Karta is more involved in the Palestine conflict, than in any other similar conflict, because Israel is plagiarizing their name (Jews) while doing those crimes aganst humanity, so if they represent themselves as a pro laestinian/anti zionist protest (and show the world that Israel is no equal to the will of Jews), then the world - who is otherwise blided by mainstream Israeli propaganda (the official western interpretation of the story) - will see that there are holes in the narrative, and might eventually realise that they were duped all along.

Every time I see an interview with Rabbi Shapiro I learn something new. I definitely want to get his most recent book! Check out his appearance on the Palestine Pod, it was fantastic.

Yes! I agree with you. These are some weird times to be living.

Well a large percent of the Gaza population support Hamas. If Hamas schools teach martyrdom and hatred of the Jews etc..The issue would be that and them. Would you denounce that? It’s not necessarily the Muslim part. I’ve seen many. non Muslim Pro-Palestinian activists being asked if they de ounce the terrorism on October 7..

@@kingfillins4117 Check out Israeli Prof. Nurit Peled-Elhanan, and learn about the educational system that is STEEPED in indoctrination (hint: it's in the Israeli schoolbooks and dehumanizes ARABS, where the word Palestine is never even mentioned in a history book.)

@@kingfillins4117 Children ( 15 years old and younger ) make up nearly half of Gaza's population. So already , I know the argument which you’ve set up comes from bad-faith and typical Zio narrative . As for those Gazan who “support” Hamas ? There are no other alternatives 🤷‍♂️ Hamas is the only thing they know . Who should you expect Gazans support ? Netanyahu? 😂

⁠@@kingfillins4117 Children ( age 15 and younger ) make up nearly half of Gaza's population. Of those ages 20 to 30 years , HAMAS is the only governing representative they have ever known.

This rabbi is suicidal on behalf of his people. Considering how Jews were treated over millenia, I definitely believe that Jews must have their own state, their own jewish land, out of safety conserns (among other reasons). Jews should not have to have their very existence depend on how their 'hosts' happen to feel about them at the moment.

@@linuswang6572go move that state to Ukraine, otherwise, you’ll still be seen as colonizing white terrorist that stole, raped and pillaged native Palestinians.

@@linuswang6572do you practice Judaism as a religion? as he says, it’s a job, and you you’re not willing to follow the Torah, you’re just a colonizer.

@@mma3314 The fact remains that he is a good and submissive little Jew. Hence, you like him. The Torah is a vast and multifaceted scripture. One can interpret it many different ways; as lots of different scholars do. The Arabs have launched genocidal attacks against the Jews in the area since the late 19th century. This started way before “colonisation”.

@@linuswang6572 that’s not the case in Palestine during the early 1900s, read up on the Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah, the stern gang, and a couple of others, what you said was very Islamophobic.

Yes, but Hamas doesn't think that and so do most Palestinians. They want all Jews dead, and they become more and more extremist every day.

Btw. By the oral history of older German Catholics from my colony ... whenever they mention the "evil" forces they faced in Russia they always refer to the Cossacks ... exactly as they saw (continue to see) the indigenous populations of the Americas.

Amen

Yeah, many people loves a good a submissive Jew. History shows that Jews definitely needs their own state out of safety concerns.

Yes. From the river to the sea, huh? Really convenient if the Jews would bow their heads and go back to accepting to always be at the mercy of their capricious hosts. Muslims would never in a million years accept something even remotely similar.

Wow! And that is how Rabbi Shapiro believes it to be represented in the Torah.

@@redlipstickmafia I know. Funny thing is, I’m actually Jewish. One line goes back to 1500s . We haven’t practiced the religion sense the 1600s

Ok, but the jewish faith fallowers disagree.

That's part of his argument. Ashkenaz is province in Germany. Those features he has are a product from being from that geographic area, not his "Jewishness". Its doesn't make sense to refer to Jews as a race. How can white European Ashkenaz Jews and black African Ethiopian Jews be regarded as the same race and ethnicity when they're completely different genetically, phenotypically, culturally and they don't speak the same language?

​​@@gt0sold1erthat's the ethno in ethno religion, to describe the atheist doctor as jewish. Let's be real people aren’t going to start saying "well I'm Ashkenazi but not Jewish " it's basically become a honomyn, so it's used as an ethnic descriptor even if they're not religious

​@@gabbyh3979this argument can be granted in context of Europe. But in general term, can just say I'm Ashkenazi. Same way you have Slavic people. Not all slavs are Christians. If we have Slavs as a group, why not Ashkenazi?

"Jews having such old traditions that are passed down regardless of whether you are religious or not and that's why I think there is something to being an ethnic atheist Jew" That is not how ethnicity works. What you described is still considered a religious basis, because its only an ethnic relation according to the religion. So this is something like that argument would sound like: "According to jewish religion, a descendant of a jew becomes a jew even if they are not practicing the religion themselves."

Exactly my proposal. Let's go back to the beginning. Republic of Canaan.

I saw an interview with Rabbi Shapiro where he talks about a brief period of time before Israel existed, this was actually a real project that was tried, they called themselves Canaanites.

"I think a Jew is someone from the lineage of those that used to practice Judaism." What is the basis of that?

@lapimano2 Sorry, I meant someone ethnically Jewish and not practicing and someone who is religiously Jewish. From my understanding Israel will accept both if they want to make aliyah.

@@andy47456 Im a bit confused. Can you elaborate on who is considered ethnically Jewish? As far as i know ethnicity is based on genetics alone (which would make a lot of local people in the middle east eligible, for example many Palestinians), but i think here it might be based on Jewish laws, which according to Shapiro is based on whether ones mother was a convert to Judaism or not.

@lapimano2 I have a few Israeli friends. If u are 1/2 Jewish you will be considered a Jew and can get into Israel. Sometimes a 1/4 JJewish ancestry. ANYONE that has converted to Judaism (though what rabbi converted the person can complicate matters, all Orthodox conversions are accepted but not all Reform) is eligible. So it could be considered ethnicity and religion. The mother's Jewish so the child is was because Roman soldiers were frequently raping Jewish women. Anyway, this is what I've been told.

@@andy47456 Thanks for the answer. Im not messing with you here, but what you responded i did not find as an answer to my original question. Having a Jew as a parent did not answer the question, since I can still ask the very same qustion but now about the parent. Why is the parent considered Jewish? We can go on and on about the same question about the grandparents and the great-great grandparents being Jewish, but the question will never be answered this way, so this definition is non-explaining. I can imagine two things as an answer: that someone have Jewish ancestry because they are a direct descendant of one of the biblical tribes (Im not sure if that would be also scientifically approved), but this definition would leave out many Jews who are considered to be Jew on an ethnic basis. The other definition would be to be the descendant of someone who practiced the religion called Judaism. But this decription is problematic too, because it is in conflict with the word: ethnicity. At least as far as I know ethnicity is based on being genetically relative to someone. If I start practicing Judaism (or buddhism or any other religion), neither I nor my children will become ethnically related to someone whos parents were also practicing Judaism but in the Himalaya mountains. Instead if the Jewish parent (who were considered Jewish on a religious basis) was for example ethnically black African, then the child will be also ethnically black African, and not ethnically Jewish. I usually have no problem identifying ethnic groups, but this time its different, it have a feeling of this being unnatural, and manufactured in order to support a certain ideology. So all in all I can undesrstand that Judaism is a religion, but im still confused about it being an ethnicity, and how that works. I have a feeling that this ethnicity is not ethnicity at all. My problem that this is not detailed, and cannot really be followed, and thus cannot be verified. Its so vague and misty.

Those diseases are only found in Eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jews.

Just because some groups of practicers of that religion are ethnically related to each other to some degree (and some arent) doesnt make all the practicers the same ethnicity.

And the majority opinion isn't?

@henrylicious ironic cynicism isn't a substitute for knowledge, and doesn't change the fact that you're falling for a charlatan

Epstein was an ashkeNAZI too would you want him as your leader because of "high" IQ? 🤣

Yes, so weird how the guest and host awkwardly try to ignore such basic biology. (Are we sure about the high IQ stuff? I heard it was just based on a tiny sample of elite private school students?)

Does this also mean that if i convert to judaism, then I suddenly become more ethnically related to the other jews as well?

Then obeying the law would be moronic. It’s not law. If you are following it that you are participating in belief. Say whatever you want about your internal state. It’s irrelevant.

I think Judaism is still a religion. Nothing what you or him said is in contradiction with that. Judaism is the belief based on the Torah (I suppose as a non-expert and non-practicer). Whether the Torah states something about ethnicity or not doesnt matter in this regard, because it is just part of the religion. According to the religion there might or might not be an ethnic factor involved, but that is only according to the religion. According to modern standards, ethnicity is not based on what a religious book says, but genetics. Even if that would be the case, that only descendants of Abraham would be eligible to become a jew, even then i could choose to believe it or not, regardless of me being eligible to become one or not. Also if there are direct descendants relative to Abraham today, that doesnt necessarily make them a practicer of the religion called judaism.

@@lapimano2 I said JUST a religion. My point is that there is in fact an ethnic component. Him denying this and calling it Hitlers definition is just wrong. He does not seem to believe in Judaism. He feels he needs to obey the laws, but the laws come from the Torah and he is denying everything else the Torah says. This guy cannot be trusted. It’s not uncommon for ancient people to fuse religion and ethnicity together. The Hebrews were no exception. When people convert they join the culture and obey the law handed down by God. In ancient times they did this and they do that now. People can of course be Jews wherever they are located and no matter what ethnicity they are in modern standards but that does not undo thousands of years of history.

@@garrettbryan2717 Im not exactly sure who Hitler considered a Jew. Yes, i think there was an ethnic component, but I think nobody denies that. There were ethnicity related pages in the Torah, but how does that make todays Jews ethnically realted to each other? As far as i know, since ancient times many people joined the religion, so even if originally it was relatively unified ethnically, it later changed. Also there might be direct descendants of the biblical original Jews today, but im not sure if those are related in any way to the religion Judaism. this needs clarification for me.

@@lapimano2 Absolutely. Ethnicity is important to their religion though. Even if they are not actually ethnicity related today in modern times their religion has a very deep ethnic currents. They can become an ethnicity/culture/religion if enough of them get together in one spot. Hence why Israel was founded. These things are all the same in an ancient way going way beyond this guy.

@@garrettbryan2717 I dont think they can become an ethnicity just like that, it sounds more like wishful thinking to me. Even if the people of Israel became a people, it would be the ethnicity/culture of the Israelis, not the Jews. Also there are many problems with this theory: Religious Jews and ethnic Jews (not sure if this latter group actually exists, or scientifically proved) are two separate groups, even if they exist. You cant really group them together on whatever basis, unless on religious basis. (That is if we consider that according to the religion the descendants of the original tribe are also subject to the religions laws) But if some of the so called ethnic Jews dont accept the religion, then its a forceful thing to consider them Jews on a religious basis. (I think this is something like what Hitler did, although it wasnt the main problem, with him but the killing.) Even if that happened, Isreal wouldn't be the "country of the Jews" but rather the "country of the Jews and the Jews", which means both the religious and the ethnic Jews, because they are not the same. Even if they are called the same word it doesnt make them the same meaning. Also in order for what you said to happen, there needs to be some kind of consensus among all the Jews. If just some of them agree on founding a state, then they can only act on their own behalf, they cant call this a collectively Jewish decision, because that would be again a forceful thing against the others. So the more correct term would be for Israel "the country of some of the Jews, and some of the Jews". Im not even gonna raise the problem, that for such a consensus, there might not would be enough just the consensus of todays living Jews, but more like also the consensus of the past, and the jet unborn Jews. To make matters worse, there also seems to be a very large disconnection between the foundation of Israel, and the religion itself, because according to many prominent scholars on the subject (like Jaakov Shappiro) the religion strictly prohibits that. And i wont accept if you just attack the person of the scholars who say this, because that would be an ad hominem fallacy, you rather need to disprove their theory in order to convince people with wits. This makes me raise the question that whether Israel is eligible to be associated with Judaism at all. Maybe if we not talk about Judaism as the original religion, but more like a changed version of it which could be called something like "Neo-Judaism", but that would make all the claims about the original Judaism illegitimate. I could go on and on, because there are even more issues here like the deceptive nature of the associated words, the lack of clarity on the matter, the atrocities allegedly committed by the supporters of Israel, and the biased, one sided story telling from the media, the fascistic elements of the current Israeli government and ideology, and the very nature of the state, which is officially the state of the Jews, which automatically includes that its not a fair country, because all the other races (or religions?) inside the country are not represented in that. All in all, the reasons surrounding the foundation of Israel are seem to be very manufactured, and very fraudulent. Many of the arguments supporting todays Israel to me look like pseudo arguments which look valid on the surface, but if someone think about them, the arguments either fall apart, or turn out to be standing on weak, vaguely explained basis, which might be able to convince people with low expectations for clarity (ignorant/gullible people) to believe something which is actually not true. Of course i say all this based on my limited understanding on the topic, and limited logical abilities, which implies that all this can be wrong, therefore im not willing to convince anybody, and also im ready for correction if someone can explain where and why i was wrong.

Yep!

Zionists? Yeah they're very delusional.

Yes you are. Thanks for dropping in hasbara nobody.

Most people? wft! Have you not seen the international Jewish conferences he has attended? There are literally tens of thousand who not only share his facts, but are even more hard line about it.

Show clear evidence that the wandering Hebrew tribes were named as Jews BEFORE they took up the Torah?

@@blazer4999 Genes. Jews are more likely to get some diseases, less likely to get others (eg. covid, coincidentally probably ;). There is that stereotypical meme of that jew, with the big nose - none of this has anything necessarily to do with the ideology. Most are probably secular, yet still have strong in-group tribal preferences. Again, are you SERIOUSLY going to dispute The Selfish Gene? You didn't read that book?

@@dennisne The ethnicity of a Hebrew gene. Because before they took up the Torah they were not called Jews.

@@blazer4999 Not sure what your point is? You don't think Soros is Jewish?

Thad is #1 wahmen respecter

Can you please include more naked clips of women in your video intro? As a sign of respect and admiration for their bodies, etc.

Except they became a diaspora people after the Romans destroyed their temple and exiled them from Judea. For ~1900 years. During that time they decided their identity was religious rather than tied to a particular nation or geographic location. That became their primary identity. The link to the biblical "nation of Israel" has been severed for so long that trying to recreate it is akin to a modern Norwegian LARPing as a Viking raider. Maybe he really does get his own ship, start pirating in the North Sea and wearing those funny horned helmets but he's not really a Viking now is he?

@@city_of_coompton6832 that's simply false though. The Jewish people have never stopped referring to themselves as a nation, and even this anti-zionist "Rabbi" prays for the return to Zion 3 times a day, including in his benedictions after meals. Likewise, his studies and prayers, every day are about Jerusalem and Eretz Israel, and he prays facing the Kotel. One of the 13 principles of his faith is belief in the return of the Jews to their Holy Land. His anti-Zionism stems from a theological nuance, and nothing more. Just say you don't know anything about Judaism, because you clearly don't. You just found a "Rabbi" who confirms your prior beliefs and you're all yippee kayei about it.

@@city_of_coompton6832 "they decided their identity was religious" ... no. there are probably more secular jews than non-jews, and they both act basically in concert to further their genetic interests. the rothschilds aren't religious? they vote as a block too - heavily skewing "democrat" in the US.

Not a rabbi because you disagree with him? We all know what that makes you.

Show us one piece of evidence that the wandering tribes who took up the Torah from God were called Jews or called themselves Jews BEFORE they took up the Torah.

Before the Zionist arrived in Middle-East, all Middle-East and North African countries all have Jews. They are all multi-religious country. Palestine was a multi-religious country before Zionists came. So yes if there's no Zionists Israel, those Israeli Jews will still be there because they are now native to the land. Since many of them are now even Second and third generation.

Jabotinsky not so much but Kahane yes. Jabotinsky was irreligious, we cannot be Jews without HaShem. Too bad they never listened to Kahane, he was a man ahead of his times.

Please try and cope. Get help if you must.

The truth is always a bitter pill to swallow. But I suggest you do.

Boo hoo hoo

Ok JIDF

Nobody opposes them having their own place - many (most?) of them are very racist themselves, but I guess that's fine, freedom of association. The problem is they can't just violently steal Palestine. Why weren't they offered some empty part of the US, since the US seems to love them so much. Or they could have just stayed within their relatively legit borders there, before the brutal ethnic cleansing started there.

If one is an American citizen, born there, how da fk is the nation your 'host'. This kind of exceptionalism borders on insanity.

@@blazer4999 I meant host in the sense that if there were no Israeli state, Jews wouldn’t have any other choice than to be a minority in one ‘hosting’ country or another, and Jews shouldn’t have to live under such circumstances; their very existence dependent on their hosts current attitude towards them. It’s already been tried quite a bit.