Unsatisfyingly sweet: Josquin's Mille Regretz

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Score analysis #4 - Mille Regretz / Josquin des Prez
For the footnotes and other extra information see the following link:
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For the full performance by Profeti della Quinta: • Josquin des Prez / Mil...
For Emma-Lisa Roux’s performance: • Josquin - Mille Regret...
Excerpt from Morales's Mass: • Cantoría - Kyrie I, Mi...
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Created by Elam Rotem, September 2021.
Performance: Profeti della Quinta - Giovanna Baviera, Doron Schleifer, Jacob Lawrence & Elam Rotem.
Audio: Karel Valter.
Lute examples: Ryosuke Sakamoto.
Excerpt from Morales's Mass: Cantoría (dir. Jorge Losana)
Special thanks to Iason Marmaras, Emma-Lisa Roux and Anne Smith.
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@montego2 2 года назад

Not a single regret for starting my day with this video. Ironic how something so sad can lift the spirits...

@SteffenThole 2 года назад

"Unsatisfyingly sweet" might be the best description for this piece, although I never would have come up with these words myself. Beautiful in a hurtful way.

@windsanluispotosi 2 дня назад

"Unsatisfying" is the right word. DesPrez has the ability to cliffhanging the audience's expectation. Not only in this piece. About half a year ago, I put the piece "mille regretz" in a loop on a 10h flight. After this, I came to the conclusion: he was a monk. His compositions were driven by humility. Not, that he didn't know how to satisfying the audience's foresight, he couldn't allow himself to give in. Satisfaction was seen as weakness; mainly carnal weakness. In his case, emotional, mental weakness. Kind of an acoustic torture. However, I will not stop listening to desPrez, imagine the possible tracks to reach an mentally acoustic org@z(m). (Had to re-frase this word. YT algorithmen gave me a strike. Idi[o](ts) can't distinguish between a meaning and an action.)

@florentino21212 2 года назад

I'm a french physio, playing lute and harpsichord in a little orchestra since 2001 I would like to thank you for all your work, i never had the chance to understand the complexity of what i was playing in all those years.

@fleeb 2 года назад

Regardless of who wrote this amazingly enduring work of art, it has touched the heart of centuries of listeners. If Josquin didn't write this, it's a shame never to know what else this composer might have written.

@ru99414 2 года назад

A very nice thought. What i love about renaissance is the value the work itself has, not being required listeners consume to find itself completed, thus being just as beautiful at the present, without needing time for it's greatness to be acknowledged. There is no genius in traditional renaissance, and as the composers share an unimaginative respect for the art, they place the art before themselves; the composer of this work is a true master, and at least we can understand he knew without doubt that he accomplished exactly his purpose and goal

@brandonacker 2 года назад

Such a beautiful video! Well done Elam and the Early Music Sources team!

@hannahjohnson4582 2 года назад

Collab?

@SamTahbou 2 года назад

@@hannahjohnson4582 That would be fantastic, although a mere comment from another musicians isn't an indication of anything beside what's in the comment.

@craigtrompeter4635 2 года назад

I see you also appreciate Brosquin.

@janakipejov3667 2 года назад

I didn't know Final Fantasy characters have RU-vid channels

@FusicPool 2 года назад

@@hannahjohnson4582 please

@Kittykat5kits 2 года назад

My Norton Anthology started rocking the bookshelf with joy when it heard this classic.

@kotetsu131 2 года назад

OMG throwback Tuesday

@HumbleNewMusic 2 года назад

Yes 💓 I'm in love with y'all singing 💘 and I sure am definitely not alone..... 💗

@johnmortison5763 2 года назад

I don't think the final cadence is unsatisfying, it couldn't be anything else. Gorgeous.

@MarkHoemmen 2 года назад

Fantastic performance!!! I really love those diminutions - they sound great _and_ they go well with the points about ficta!

@staceyhelley3806 2 года назад

Thank you! As ever, the singing is exquisite-never an overtone or vowel formant out of place! This was an aural remedy for the headache I woke up with.

@Zualio 2 года назад

Why are the sad pieces always the most beautiful? Thank you for this great episode! It is a shame that Nymphes des Bois is too long for this kind of video, that is even more bittersweet. But maybe this could be an intetrsting topic on its own, the chain of commemorative motets: Ockegem's "Mort tu as navré" on the death of Binchois, Josquins "Nymphes" on Ockeghem, Richafort's Requiem on Josquin... All so beautiful compositions...

@MitchBoucherComposer 2 года назад

Beautiful video, Elam! I admire not only your information but the talent of the singers as well. Emma-Lisa's solo performance is stunning.

@agamemnonatreides8572 2 года назад

You reached new heights with this video! I would love to watch your take on 1) Gesualdo's final books and 2} the compositional methods of Tudor composers such as Fayrfax and Ludford. This channel is awesome ! I also haven't heard Mille Regretz so beautifully sung before! Thanks

@Tschungermeister 2 года назад

Ah, yes. No better treat for the middle of a week of hard work than an EMS upload. Thank you for the wonderful work, as per usual, Elam & co.

@dr_bean 2 года назад

I thought your sentence would end like "no better treat for the middle of a week of hard work than a sweet heartbreak" 😂💔

@paulsmith5752 Год назад

Given your username, I take it you have seen the Lamento dello Wookiee? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bXEAwV4UdY8.html

@paulsmith5752 Год назад

I've sung the Morales as Cantus 2 with De Profundis. It's wonderful. I love the darkness, power and fervour that McCreesh and the Gabrielis bring to it in their performance.

@jg5861 2 года назад

❤️ I cannot thank you enough for this video and for your work as a whole. As long as there are videos with this beauty, accuracy and generosity, the internet will be a marvelous invention. And thank you for bringing Josquin closer to many - he really is one of the most irresistible and ingenious composers of all time

@zxbn4566 2 года назад

Very nice to have the whole performance backed up by the presentation of the score below.

@christinedonkin7023 2 года назад

Thank you so much for posting these videos.

@kzgiorgos 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this. It brings back memories...

@MaestroRaro 2 года назад

Thanks guys! You are doing a great job 🙏🏻

@chegadesalzburg 2 года назад

Amazing, as always!

@autotel Год назад

Thanks for making these!

@anterix1999 2 года назад

Fantastic music and performances. Great episode. Thank you for everything.

@andreamundt 2 года назад

What a lovely episode!! Thx so much, Elam. It´s delightful to watch your videos *

@strauchler.sebastian 2 года назад

Loving this song from the first time I listened (so many years ago). Thanks for this super gorgeous show.

@almuel 2 года назад

Oh my gosh! I was just learning about the piece in my music history class today and you released this at the same. I love this channel.

@TheDescendre 2 года назад

A wonderful piece of music...thank you so much

@Lymanity 2 года назад

One of my faves to play on guitar. Very moody. I can always visualize a process of heart break, waking up the next day and realizing it is not a bad dream and finally accepting the cold reality of situation and pushing forward with life with a heavy heart. No wonder the emperor liked it.

@pauljsm 2 года назад

Oh, Elam! What a fantastic video! a peace of art in itself, what a way to deliver knowledge! Thank you (and everyone involved) so much!

@matthieulamiable4757 2 года назад

As usual, the content of your channel is both educational and entertaining. Thanks for your commitment.

@RaVi-dl8jm 2 года назад

That's such a wonderful interpretation, thank you for your work

@jsguitargeek1432 2 года назад

Fantastic work folks - thank your for these wonderful videos.

@lidiakucmierz6147 Год назад

Thank you Josquin! Thank you Early Music Sources! Bello!

@mepoindexter 2 года назад

Thank you for this. You always read about this song in footnotes, it's nice to see it fully explained.

@silviomp 2 года назад

Grazie mille! Amazing video, editing, explanation, performance... Wow!!

@chrisnewman9693 2 года назад

Beautiful, thank you so much

@markchapman6800 2 года назад

Gosh, I can't remember how long it has been since I sang this last. Thanks for the deep dive into it!

@videosdehistoriadelamusica4484 2 года назад

Great video and great performance of this Renaissance gem!! Thank you very much❗

@danielbertesteanu6735 2 года назад

Thank you Elam and your team for bringing us such a beautiful analyse and charming chanson. Be blessed!

@stevenbest6408 2 года назад

How utterly enjoyable. Thank you for such a thoughtful exposition and wonderful visual guides. I absolutely enjoyed every minute -- thank you!

@dleov4645 2 года назад

You're videos are too good, man! Great explanations and performances.

@jesusmaribeltza3086 2 года назад

As always, the content and editing of the video is excellent. Thank you for your effort and for letting me continue learning with your knowledge.

@sternethaox8637 2 года назад

What a wonderful video ! Greatly explained, perfectly documented, and to top it off your interpretation is one of the best I've ever heard ! Congrats and greetings from France !

@BenCallan 2 года назад

Thank you. This was already one of my favourite chansons. This has further increased my appreciation.

@mwnyc3976 2 года назад

Well, Elam, besides all the other complimentary things commenters have said about this video -- -- I have never before heard "Mille regretz" sung as beautifully as it is here. Wow. (And it's good to hear Jacob and you casually put into practice the embellishment principles you've discussed in other videos.)

@xkay-six1845 2 года назад

WE WERE SHOWN THIS PIECE IN MUSIC HISTORY LAST YEAR AND I LOVE IT SO MUCH THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!

@thesunsinger1 2 года назад

Eloquent, elegant, enlightening and sweetly satisfying presentation of this lovely song, Elam. Mille Mercis.

@Alejandro_Vera 2 года назад

Excellent. Thank you for this wonderful video.

@Herschli Год назад

Thank you so much! What a wonderful, entertaining contribution! Not to forget your outstanding, deeply touching performance of this beautiful piece of music, bravo! 🙏

@ewelinaslawska 2 года назад

Thank you for this video Elam! This piece brings me to tears...and the recording Profeti della Quinta with Giovanna is heavenly beautiful...

@AlexandraZernerRocks 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for yet another wonderful episode! This is such a magical piece and your performance is just outstanding!

@sebastianbrix 2 года назад

Such a beautiful episode, may this episode never be one of my thousand regrets!

@pilipsba 2 года назад

Wonderful! Thank you

@damien.bonneau 2 года назад

a huge merci from France, this piece haunts me for years now...I didn't know about Morales's Mass

@charlieterry8506 4 месяца назад

This video is beautiful thank you sincerely.

@mariallorente6640 Год назад

Que analisis tan bueno, me encanta poder saber con este detalle sobre una pieza tan bella y emotiva

@ugrasdurmus8704 2 года назад

we all love you.. such a great channel.... always scientific approach... thanks for being here

@maitemf 2 года назад

Thank you EMS for analyze one of my favorite pieces ever. I think I first sang it 30 years ago and I fell in love with early music thanks to this piece and the Cancionero de Uppsala.

@user-pc4i8ege55 2 года назад

Both informative, almost encyclopedic, and beautiful, artistic episode. Thank you very much.

@harryjoseph1802 2 года назад

What music! Tugs at your heartstrings and lachrymal glands...splendidly performed. Nice to have you back!

@olivierrevert8165 Год назад

Thank You Very Much 😃👍👍👍👍👍 despite i'm not musician and not in medieval music, you made me enjoy A LOT this masterpiece AND your clear explanations. I subscribed to your excellent channel because you have many other very well done and interesting videos. Many Many Thanks for your efforts and instructive vids. 👍👍👍😊👍👍👍

@theopaopa1 2 года назад

muchas gracias, elam!

@marceljorqueravinyals4116 2 года назад

You always inspire me so much. You are the reason I started singing. Millez regrets has bin my favourite song since I was 3.5 years old!!!!!!!!

@danagioia9261 2 года назад

What a superb analysis and appreciation of the des Prez. I was especially pleased that you began by considering the poetic text. Wonderful from start to end--both scholarly and engaging.

@edelmantos 2 года назад

Excellent video, I hope you make more Josquin videos in the future!

@margaretejwest 2 года назад

I wish I could ‘like’ this video more than once. Terrific stuff, I had the pleasure of singing this with David Allison yesterday in Edinburgh, and now I’ve found your video! Absolute pleasure 😍

@rcaldentey 2 года назад

Great video, thank you again! And nice singing, too!

@sravanaastrid3749 Год назад

Merveilleux ! Comment vous remercier....

@editionprimavista4937 2 года назад

Wonderful, Eilam! I like sharing these videos with my students. Keep up the good work! Uri

@uhoh007 2 года назад

Wonderful presentation, at every level. Bravo.

@RiverbluffMusic 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for this - I've known the Josquin chanson since my student days, but not the lute arrangements- and the Morales parody mass is exquisite!

@juanbautista5093 2 года назад

Really great video! I've been using this chanson as example in my music analysis classes for years, and the students often get shocked for its beauty and sadness... great insight and truly beautiful performances, congratulations.

@guillermomerinoalmazan7220 2 года назад

Now I love it more. Thank you!

@stevewest4994 2 года назад

Thank you for this video. I have loved Mille Regretz since I first heard it some 20 years ago. On the page it looks quite insubstantial but I suppose it was written at a time people didn't expect that great music was necessarily long and complicated. Thanks for some new insights into the song and for the lovely singing.

@marcofogliadini8009 2 года назад

Many thanks for you beautiful video.

@Doeff8 2 года назад

Simply wonderful.

@psykodiffeqparty 2 года назад

Fantastic video!

@belpa2564 2 года назад

Thank you sooo much

@ornleifs 2 года назад

Wow that's a really beautiful piece.

@musicalintentions 2 года назад

Very interesting! Before now I was only familiar with Susato's version. Thank you for presenting this.

@emmarussell4004 2 года назад

Beautiful and fascinating

@jacopomorganti404 2 года назад

Thank you Elam for this wonderful video. Mille regretz has been one of my favourite piece of music since my childhood, when I used to play on the guitar the vihuela trascription of this son by Luis de Narvaez. Jacopo

@JosMorn1 2 года назад

Just stunningly beautiful!❤

@fritzw.5057 2 года назад

What a "coincidence" that the "mi-" of Mille regretz starts on the solmisation syllable "mi"^^

@christinesumuth2719 2 года назад

so schön gesungen ♥️

@estudiomonteverdi 2 года назад

That’s why this is my favorite RU-vid channel.

@freshname Год назад

Thank you so much

@aurelashem8653 2 года назад

Thank you 🙏

@Dresdentrumpet 2 года назад

Wonderful Performance!

@rogermoore27 2 года назад

Greetings from Trinidad and Tobago. You have a fantastic channel. I love this sort of music but there is no one here who knows about it. Plus, the way you analyze the music is an objective I wish to attain. I like how you introduce new terms to describe the note placement and effect desired. I learned piano as a teenager and never heard such terms.

@nemianyamele2265 2 года назад

On the topic of rearrangements going from F#-G at the end, funilly enough de Morales does actually compose (at least in the Gloria I remember, at the end of the first section) the candence to end in a major harmony with a G#... Brilliant video! A pleasant reminder of easily one of my all-time favourite Mass settings! Funny also, at 12:48 asking if we fell in love with the piece, big yes, breathless and speechless at the end, my heart ugh such beautiful music 💙💙

@brendanward2991 2 года назад

Grazie, Elam. Merci, Josquin.

@edwardblair4096 2 года назад

The four part one by Susato is a Pavan from his book of dances. It has all the parts move together and breaks the song into three equal sized sections that repeat, but still has most of the same affect as the song.

@ciccioformaggio72 2 года назад

fantastico, grazie!

@timothybrace5340 9 месяцев назад

Wonderful video, and beautiful rendition of the piece!. My apologies if this has already been addressed in one of the other 238 comments here, but it's worth noting that, with regard to the musica ficta discussion that starts about 5:20, in Narvaez's 1538 transcription of this piece for vihuela, he does raise both pre-cadential notes the first time through (G# and F#). The second time through, he doesn't raise the first note (G) but does raise the second (F#). This is perhaps one generation later than Josquin's original version, but it does shed light on musica ficta practices, at least in Spain soon after Joquin's time. Treating these two phrases differently makes sense, given their different harmonic goals (though I love it without the changes as well). I also love the improvisations within the lines by the singers. Well done!

@JacarandaMusic 2 года назад

I’ve played the Narvaez vihuela intabulation (but on modern guitar) for decades and it’s a favourite thing. Will be interested to track down the lute versions.

@czadferedgilhang6206 2 года назад

I'm glad this video got recommended. I learned a lot

@carlstenger5893 2 года назад

Wonderful video! Thanks so much. Josquin is (perhaps) the greatest composer of choral works in the Renaissance.

@Williamegert 2 года назад

That ending makes me long for an a-minor triad at the end… quite unfulfilled… But as you say that may have been the aim. Great video - as always I learn so much from you!