VOCES8: Ave Maria, Virgo Serena (Josquin des Prez) 

Well said

So beautiful when are you coming to New Zealand. John Cameron

Eu gosto de mais de Voces8, em especial "Ne irascaris Domine....", aqui em casa ouvimos muito. Outro grupo até mais antigo e com uma evolução harmonica é o Tallis Scholars". Se você ainda não viu, eu indico uma busca "The Tallis Scholars - Obrecht. Missa de Sancto Donatiano"

​@@realsonhador merci ! ✨😇✨

Yes noticed this - brilliant!!

@@beeswaxartist8332 The equally-spaced tuning of all 12 divisions of the octave wasn't the tuning that was used in the late Renaissance or Baroque periods, where pure (or at least purer) thirds were valued, and thus the intervals of the scale were unequally spaced to allow for the production of thirds closer to those that occur in the harmonic series, at least in the most commonly used keys, and usually with small compromises (usually involving a narrowing of the fifths). If you simultaneously strike middle C and the E above on a piano, with its 12-equal-tempered tuning, you'll hear around 7 "beats" per second, creating a kind of fast "wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah" effect, since the interval is actually not in tune with the harmonic series. On a voice or unfretted bowed string instrument like a violin, however, small adjustments can be made, lowering the E by 14 cents (i.e., 14 percent of a half step) and thus eliminating the beats. But, it seems, most choral singers, even those singing repertoire from this period, still don't know to do this, and sing in something close to the 12-tone equal temperament they probably grew up with, from singing with piano accompaniment their whole lives prior to getting into the historically informed performance of early music. This video of a harp ensemble that has tuned their major third (above the tonic) to this pure/narrower interval to avoid the beats is the best example of this that I know of. Can you hear the special quality once they go up the scale from C to E? v=L-boPkQJKDA

@@beeswaxartist8332 Regarding the vibrato, surely you've heard choirs singing Palestrina or similar unaccompanied Renaissance polyphony, and they're all wobbling their voices rather than singing with more or less straight tone. That's the norm, and this makes what Voces8 are doing here especially valuable, as it brings the purity of the tuning, and the directness of the expression, into even sharper focus.

@@beeswaxartist8332 @dbadagna is right! Good choirs don’t do that! But I find in general that in bigger choirs there is often way too much vibrato - you’re supposed to try to blend in, not stand out!

@@dbadagna I'll say that the "straight" tone (allowing for limited and natural vibrato to occur) is pretty normal for many British choirs, at least when singing church and/or early music. You're probably noticing that more here because Voces 8 is a mixed choir as opposed to e.g. The King's Singers. That doesn't mean Voces 8 is a "normal British choir" - they're absolutely phenomenal.

Crickey!

They pretty much have to do it that way. In Josquin (and with most of his contemporaries on the Continent) the altus and tenor parts cover basically the same range; the altus tends to sit higher than the tenor, but the parts regularly overlap and their total ranges may differ by only one or two notes. So in an SATB group, to get the lines to sound good throughout, you need to put tenor(s) with an easy high range on the altus part and alto(s) with an easy low range on the tenor part. This is why, for instance, the terrific group New York Polyphony (ru-vid.comvideos) rarely sings Josquin: it's an ATBarB quartet, and while the baritone (the excellent Christopher Dylan Herbert) can sometimes do a damn good imitation of a tenor, you can't ask him to regularly sing high Gs the way a Josquin tenor part does.

a lot of the scores suggest mixing the tenors and altos. It works well with this piece as 2 parts intertwine throughout

@@mwnyc3976 Thank you for that explanation! This setup is certainly a testament to the extraordinary quality of these musicians -- not that more evidence was needed! 🙏🏼

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Way to go, humans!