UNTOLD Vol 1: Malice at the Palace | Netflix 

Agree

Jermaine invested everything, but it wasn't Reggie Miller 18 seasons levels of investment. He explained that himself in the film, and it's the _one and only thing_ *he regrets* that resulted from his conduct during the riot. But they are 100% right when it comes to specific players in the league, and the Thug Mentality. Sure some players embrace it in order to get ahead of players weak insults, but they shouldn't have to. You won't see many (if any) White players embracing that Thug Mentality. I was certainly shedding tears over this. It was painful to watch. That 2-sided demolition warning buzzer for a soundtrack genuinely sent my emotions over the edge. I experienced a building demolition as a young adolescent, watching a school I met/made many friends and memories in as a child, turn to utter rubble before my eyes. I've come as close as you can to _standing in their shoes,_ *without actually having to walk a mile in them.* At that point, they pretty much had me around wrapped around their every finger... He hit the nail on the head with Hockey. And I *LOVE* my Ice Hockey... I hope they were paid decent up-front for this, and are being paid on the back-end when the viewer tallies come in. Each and every one of the players earned it. P.S. F the crowd. If they didn't like what they were seeing, they could of acted like grown-ups, and left the stadium. Instead of pretending to be _The 6th Man_ Season Ticket Holders who had already bailed on the game which had been lost long before... If anyone involved in the film actually cares enough to read this: Great job everyone. 💯

@@jb34304 what the hell did I just read.

Reggie Miller, childhood hero, but those LAKERS, fkkkkkkkkkk Light at the end of eastern conference tunnel, finally......TREX waiting at the exit, cry

Exactly but Artest and Jackson ended up winning a ring even tho they were the ones who really did most of the violence at the Palace. Jermaine had a punch that missed but besides that yeah

Jermaine O’Neal as well

Did he ever win a ring? Man I felt the most for him.

@@dee27206 Nope!

Still makes me sad and sick. Reggie Miller is still the man sticking with a small market team his whole career giving everything he had to the game and the city. I will always respect him as a player and human being. You was my childhood hero. Thanks for all the great memories much love.

@@kylecoffman9013 I agree with a lot of things you say but one thing you have to recognize some players stay with a small market team not because they are noble but because it's less pressure, less expectations, less work to do with a fan base that doesn't have high standards like a New York Knickerbocker fans like the Laker fans San Antonio fans etc so in a way it's not really admirable but lazy to stick with a small market team knowing that they're really not going to put too much pressure on you that's why Dirk nowitzki didn't dare leave Dallas because he was a coward

LeBron China James next doc pls

@@mhdab2416 nah there you should a documentary on the crazy unprecedented LeBron hate and how pathetic the haters are lol. Most scrutinized athlete ever

@@maxh276 I know! The hate Lebron gets is crazy and beyond me. He is easily top 3 of all time. In my opinion he is top 2. Jordan is the only one can compare to him. And that is where I think the hate comes from. He is on or close to Jordan's level and that doesn't sit well with people.

Every player has a wonderful story.

Yeah! It was a really good doc. It answered all of my questions.

Yeah, but whoever threw it did it to the wrong person. If it were Kobe or Kevin Durant, they would have just pointed out the guy and let security deal with it.

Wow, no shit 🤷

Comedian? You mean philosopher

This is one of the darkest days in sports history and it changed the trajectory of the game.

I bet the guy who ran to the court who tried to attack them and Jermaine O’Neal knocked his jaw out of place still feels that punch to this day

The thing was that prick was not the one who threw the cup, Metta himself said

@@gabeagca2758 Stephen Jackson hit the second guy to throw one. As he ran up the guy threw a beer in Ron face. That’s what made Jackson start swinging

He’s a real one. And Jermaine’s sliding shot to drop that dude on the court for a second time, it didn’t land fully but It sure didn’t miss, had that dude’s neck disco’n across his shoulder.

Dude I remember that so well! Watched it live. This drunk fool invades the court, disrespects the game and challenges dudes three times his size to a fight. Yea buddy, there you go. I never had a problem with what the players did and I still don't... looks like the culture finally caught up to those of us who could figure out what happened from the original footage. The compilation of white talking heads repeating the word "thug" should shame us all.

@@neonnights16 reggie miller said if jermaine didnt slide, that guy would be dead

He jokingly thought he could get away with it, tail btwn his legs when he saw Metta coming 😂

The thing is the wrong guy got it worse.

Not really.

when he said he didn't care that Ron artist attacked the guy next to him, that just showed me he was just rotten to the core.

@@tortangtalong1 I'm sure he got paid.

How ? Like i highly doubt there is "untold" thing about Malice at the palacea at this point. Should be amazing watch for people who dont know the story tho.

No it isn't lol

The last dance

@@batuhanaydn6201 There will be behind the scenes stuff that we don't know.

U forgot about last dance?

same nba will never be the same haaha shit was crazy.

It weren't madness. Them fans thought they could treat playahs like animals in a circus, and it bit them in the ass.

What happened?

@@passwordyeah729 Players going into the crowd & swinging on fans, fans pelting players with cans & trash, people getting kicked in the head. It was pandemonium.

me too. It just kept going to the next level. I was literally lying on my back in bed, then sitting up, then standing up, then with my mouth wide open like.....is this really happening????

You got the right username to be writing that! Some sports gods are not perfect people, not at all, and have to survive some real demons. I was cheering for Artest when he got that ring and thanked his therapist, and I see O'Neal and Miller like I do Barkley, 'Nique, Ewing, Nash, Iverson and other greats who never won a ring-- as greats, period.

Post game interview after winning a championship him saying “ I feel like a coward in their presence” was tough, but he cost that team and those guys big time. My thing is though they were clearly provoked/attacked and the NBA doesn’t get to decide how people react. Having all that footage, those suspensions should have been changed.

@@dca2c "The NBA," did not decide those suspensions, David Stern did that himself. He said it himself, "the decision was unanimous 1-0." Meaning, there was no debate, there was no mediator, there was no investigation. David Stern decided everything himself. That's part of why I hate David Stern, that and blocking the Chris Paul trade.

@@adrianrocha49 it was the right decision

​@@lukef1586 No it wasn't.

UnfuckingBelievable

@@realrocky8591 I don’t even consider it a sucker punch! Dude came down ONTO THE FLOOR ready to throw hands. So what if he squared up to Ron Artest first he was looking for some alcohol fueled glory.

@@RyanScottie and it kills me because the whole time hes tryna square up with Artest, Artest is looking at him like "bro im not gonna fight you, go somewhere else". Haddad is a whole bitch and agreeing to do this docu made him look 1million times worse

​​@@RyanScottie the way he said Jermaine O'Neal came and "sucker punched" him "out of nowhere" and that it was a "bitch move" - *WHAT A JOKE.* Reviews of the footage showed that O'Neal slipped and missed him completely. *The guy wasn't even touched.*

@@jchen8902 That's what O'Neal's lawyers said but it's very clear that he connected. Watch yourself... He did slip, which took a lot of power out of the punch, but he 100% connected. The guy's head snaps back. watch?v=nw66OikTy9U

Ron is definately to blame and he's not taking responsibility.

Well Ben Wallace deserves some blame as well for being so extra about that foul that was not that bad. Yes the fan that threw that cup though it’s crazy the chain of events that started.

Ron did the foul but Ben took it serious because Ben’s brother passed away. I still blame Ron for doing it in the first place

Part of the reason why it was so good is because it really made me consider the effect it had on JOs career. As a basketball fan, I’ve watched all of their careers, but didn’t think about how after the palace, his career pretty much fizzled.

That guy who threw the beer was the biggest POS in his interview he had no remorse or apologized. What a fuckin loser.

staks won his spurs ring in 2003.

The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired by 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015.

@@makl593 pretty cursed if you ask me

Maybe he shouldn't have sucker punched a fan like a bitch.

What about Reggie??

Stern was always a piece of shit. This was his lowest moment of all.

It was absolutely terrible and woke revisionism.

@@SuperRobertoClemente I want what you're smoking. Stern did everything right after that. He sent a message, he was a real leader, not an apologist.

How did the nba do the players wrong? They didn’t let them get off scott free after charging into the stands and/or physically attacking fans? Including those that had nothing to do with it?

@@nickraad77 clearly you haven’t watched the documentary properly.

The Palace was maybe a little young to be demolished but I like that Detroit's 4 major sports all play in Detroit. I also wish the Illitches would come through on their promise to build housing instead of parking lots tho.

Yup, nailed it. Great post. I hate how they put them in the city where the crooked parking garage and lot owners can price gouge you. The new arena is freaking garbage too, worst seats I've ever seen, arena design sucks, heard the 2nd level is incredibly steep and scary. Then you have all these kids getting conned into buying condos, houses and renting apartments down there, only to find out they're going to have to deal with your car getting broken into, tires stolen, stink of weed, stadium traffic. It started to get run down really badly after Davidson died. When Gores took over, it nosedived a lot. I've heard they don't like NBA teams to share space with NHL teams because of condensation on the floor. If things don't turn around, I suspect the Pistons are going to move to Seattle or Vegas. Word is some teams might be getting contracted. Gotta be honest, it probably should be Milwaukee too, but they built that ridiculous new arena and won a championship. I don't want to see what's going to happen if Giannis ever leaves and goes somewhere else. They're done.

he did say in this docu that nobody in the NBA really wanna fight tho, so he's kinda admitting they're not really tough guys,

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Actually the editing in this trailer was pretty sneaky. In the doc itself Jackson doesn't say he doesn't wanna talk about the fight. He said that he didn't want to talk about that guy who threw the beer. Lol

S-Jax speaks his mind on the before, during and after. Artest is all over the place but they make a point that he has some mental health problems, Ben deep voice Wallace is on there , Reggie imo is like the narrator, says good and bad about his team, he doesn't hold back.

The only thing you got from that, is “they are not tough guys”??? the NBA is full of tough guys , they obviously do not want to fight, because of the consequences. It’s called professionalism, they don’t want to lose the millions of dollars, sponsorships, fans. It’s obvious.

It's the way the media jumped on them. It felt like race crept into it. "Thug" is a loaded word and it was thrown around a lot after this.

@@jamesjross because they were black

@@jamesjross yea everyone shown there was racist as hell. Jermaine is right, Hockey has far more worse brawls but they don't call them thugs and you probably know why

@YT Censored 8 How old are you?

@YT Censored 8 And were you in America? I was in my mid-20s. But in the UK. So it made news for one day here. But we do get the daily show and other American talk shows so I remember it being spoken about there - but it was 17 years ago... I'm mainly going by what I saw on the documentary, It brought up the feeling I had at the time. . - Also being a basketball fan I remember the clothing ban. It did and still does feel like it had racist undertones when put in full perspective. I think that was John Stewarts take on it as well.

"I feLt rEliEvEd" Was about to experience the same blackout as Artest did when hit by that beer when he said that. Green was the most thug of them all.

Stephen Jackson was a thug, and an idiot blowhard. Ron Artest is a little more complicated.

Nice.. had to bring race into it

They weren’t called “Thugs” because they were black. They were called “Thugs” because they ran into the crowd and threw punches at fans over a cup being thrown. In the documentary, Ron and Stephen Jackson even state that they were “of the streets”. Documentary doesn’t change the fact that this was the lowest point the NBA ever faced. That basketball players couldn’t control themselves enough not to sucker punch fans a foot smaller than them

Lol the replies are stupid. If this happened in any other sport that’s predominantly white you wouldn’t hear the media call the players “thugs” I guarantee that

@@kevinandrewsphotoyou can tell they were from the street by their actions. Acted like thugs instead of professional basketball players. The fan that threw the bottle was in the wrong however from that point on it was all on the players and they should have been suspended indefinitely without the possibility of ever playing for any team

Man when that guy was giving smart ass answers to the regret questions I wanted to punch the screen. How you on camera proven being wrong and not atleast admit it even after seeing all the trouble you caused to others.

💯

As a Pistons fan, it was total garbage. 90% fluff.

@@pabilitodossjr7160 FYI, I have not seen the doc yet. Here is what I remember, Pistons down by quite a few, and people were leaving to hit the road early. My group decided to stay, mostly because I think that when you decide to leave early, you will still be caught in a jam because you are not the only one thinking this, so might as well stay. With not much time left, Artest decides to hard foul Ben Wallace. It made no sense and got everyone there angry about it. Ben pushes back, then Artest decides to lay on the scorer's table. This is where, I believe, is the biggest mistake, because Ron decided to lay on OUR scorer's table like he owned the place. "No Ron-Ron, you do not own the Palace, WE do. We are Detroit, and you can't do that" is my first thought. My second thought then is "If Reggie or someone doesn't get him off the table, there's going to be some trouble". I thought the trouble was going to be from the Pistons themselves because this act was pretty egregious, in my opinion. You just don't lay there, with your hand behind your head on your main rival's scorer's table without making a statement. I believe this was a calculated move on Artest's part, no doubt. Someone should have told him that this was a bad idea. That is when I saw the cup, not in slow motion, but in real-time. It hit Ron, then everything went crazy. Instead of going after Ben, whom I whole believe Ron was totally afraid of (and who wouldn't be afraid of Ben Wallace), he then goes into the crowd. Stephen Jackson followed him soon after. Then, it seemed like everyone from the court was trying to get Ron and Jackson down, while most of the Pistons stood on the table at this time. This lasted what it seems for about a couple minutes. The court is then rushed by people who can rush it, and it was hard to see what was going on afterward. I didn't see the O'Neal punch until I got home and watched it on Sportscenter. I DO remember after everything was broken up, a crowd of people on all levels rushing to the player's entrance to dump shit all over the Pacers. It was insane! It turned a hoo humm finish into one of the greatest games I have ever been to! After everything was done, and the Pacers were off the floor, the Palace had a weird hype feeling to it. Like a "You don't come to our house starting shit" vibe. You wouldn't have guessed the Pistons lost big that night, as everyone was uber excited. You could cut the adrenaline from the crowd with a knife. It was a "we just beat this team in the finals" sort of vibe. The camaraderie and resolve with Pistons fans were very strong that night. Everyone hi-fiving each other and such. Yea, in hindsight, it was a terrible night for the NBA, and we all felt that also. Probably when we all sobered up from the adrenaline rush, there was that feeling to more people that were there. We knew the hammer was coming, and the Pistons were a favorite in the East, along with the Pacers. I do wish that the dude didn't throw that cup, it kinda messed things up, even though the Pistons still went to a game 7 in the finals with the Spurs that year. However, Ron Artest, IMHO, started this, first with the hard foul, which was not necessary at all, then sitting on the scorer's table like he did, thus giving the opportunity for him to get hit by that beer. If he had gone to his bench after almost getting his head knocked off by Ben with just a push, I swear, there would have been no Malice at the Palace. Yea, the drunk beer-throwing guy gets the blame, no doubt, but Ron should get a lot of the blame for fanning the flames. There were a lot of things at that moment he shouldn't have done, and some veteran should have seen this and removed him from that situation before the beer. That is my take that I have profoundly professed for the past ump-teen years.

@@HllywoodNova Artest said in an interview that he tried to calm Ben down and was trying to de-stress by laying down away from people on the table because he had bipolar and his teammates knew he needed space. Not defending anyone, that's just what he said

@@HllywoodNovawow that was a whole heap of dribble from you and all I really got from it in the end is you’re very one eyed and bias. What a stupid explanation of what really happened by you. By the way, the city of Detroit is a hole.

Absolutely. I felt sorry for him watching this. He was trying to distance himself from a situation he couldn't control and almost managed it, but he kept getting provoked until he snapped. If we knew then what we know know about how to treat people with mental health issues he would have been protected

It comes down to entertaining the idea of the love of brother man! We change or we die!

Okay just watched man, man i feel soooo bad for Reggie man

The players got rocked by fans too

Hadad that guy deserved that punch

Yes, nice way to absolve the players for crossing the line from beer throwing to fistfights.

wre can i watch it?

Me either i just found out a couple days days

So Tinsley set the whole thing off. Where was his repercussions at?

@@LifeIsNotorious oh he said something to another player...I guess he deserved a suspension for that.

And he listened, we're all responsible for our own actions as Ron the Buddhist should know. Btw dude obviously knows nothing about Buddhism judging by his comments on attachment.

i agree but every man is responsible for himself. but it seems rom at the time wasn't in the right mind. maybe tinsley took advantage

Bill Burr, right?! 😁

They'd get beat senseless, there's no winning with 20vs3000

Yeah, back in those days, there was pretty much no such thing as "stress and anxiety", especially not in sports, the military and such. There was no Simone Byles. Either you punk out or keep going, that simple. Gladly times have changed.

I love a lot of respect for him after watching this doc.

really even back then they don't know much about anxiety? wow.

Yea dude was beyond cringe. And the fan that got dropped twice when he ran on the court.

Not really, it was just a sleepy early season game with the Pacers looking to get revenge for last season.

Stephen Jackson was the missing ingredient they needed for a championship and then all the suspensions happened it was all done and dusted........Really felt for Jemaine.

We never forget. Detroit holds grudges until everyone involved is dead.

@@tessgonzalez Detroit needs to let it go

@@tessgonzalez WTF, no one even goes to Pistons games anymore, lol.

@@MrBlueBot5Pistons fans acting like they’re the victims of this mess when in facts they’re the ones who made it even worst.

Ben didn't make a dumb fan throw a cup at Ron Artest. Fans shouldn't be allowed to physically disrespect a player and expect no retaliation. The players shouldn't have been giving that long of a suspension it cost the Pacers a shot at the title because a fan got what they ask for. League protecting the racists but now they taking a different stance, huh.

@@Richard-xo2uv Yeah but if not for overreacting to a foul that was a little hard but not even a flagrant Artest would not have been on that table cooling down, counting to 5 like his therapist instructed him to do.

@@bitchnguy Ron found out quick he wanted none of Ben. Irrelevant, the fan is the one at fault, period!

A lot of stuff just snowballed, let's be honest.

@@Richard-xo2uv I will definitely agree that the fan is at fault. But at the end of the day I don’t think Ron or ben ever had plans of fighting each other Ron did the correct thing he went and try to calm his self down because he is somebody to struggles with mental health issues so he did with his therapist told him to do which was to go calm down.

Ik, exactly my thoughts too..

Cuz hockey is already gay af

I beg to differ, many people most certainly think white NHL and NFL players can be awful. Many of the people living in OHL towns do not like the players and think they are rapists. Look at Todd Bertuzzi. Everyone thinks he was a thug. Not sure where you're getting this nonsense from.

You know why

This seems like the response of someone who doesn't know anything about hockey. Do you really know that "no one ever calls them 'thugs'" or did you hear one of the interviewees in this doc say that, and just accept it as fact?

I left a 10 run comeback. No one admits this in sports so I tip my cap to you.

No he got a call from Jermaine O’Neal who is the executive producer and he asked him to talk and he said he would

I feel like Ron and the fans are the assholes. Ron chose to hardfoul. The fans made it worse. I don’t blame the other Pacers because they’re were just defending themselves. If Ron didn’t hardfoul, this shit would be avoided

@@Trip1eIsHim that's true. Ron was an **** had he not hardfoul none if this would've happened. But the fans got what they asked for. Real talk.

He's a POS.

He's an idiot, he should have helped calm the situation down not join in punching fans

This bball not the UFC. If you want people hurting each other there are other 'sports'

@@Unknown-nc4jq it's not about hurting anyone. But it's also understanding that the sport involves physical contact. Not the parade of flopping you see today. It's also undeniable that after this brawl the league switched its stance on a low block physical play and preferred the high scoring perimeter game you see today.

No.

@@marquez93 stfu

I think you're wrong about that.

Timmy D got hit with the most random techs too, he got ejected by joey crawford for laughing

Because throwing a beer in a plastic cup is not the same as punching someone in the face

What would have happened if Ron never went into the stands? Now you know who was the real problem that night.

I was around back then. Netflix is manufacturing controversy. Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest were two of the worst guys in the NBA at the time and many other NBA players of that era were absolutely detestable, awful people compared to the players in the eighties and nineties. They wanted to be known as thugs and acted like it. It was not racism. You're being played and naive about reality.

Exactly that shit was cringe af

The game technically never ended. There was still time on the clock. It might be the only NBA game to never go a full 48 minutes.

"30 for 30: Bad Boys" on ESPN. It's about the 80s Pistons, great doc.

Fab five. That’s the best one.

It's not possible to not hate the Detroit Pistons

Ikr. He didn’t even punch the right guy

Buying a ticket doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you want it goes both ways as being paid millions of dollars doesn't give you the right either. But at the end of the day we're all humans not robot fans step over the lines further and further and expect no kind of repercussions or anything bad to happen to them. Because alot of people live in their own fantasy worlds.

@@Joker-np9le Where did I say ... Any of that?

@@edweer670 Who said you did. I'm stating that fans own 50 percent of the blame for this incident as players own the other 50. And stating that fans have been going over boundaries that they know they shouldn't for decades specifically hockey and international soccer I've seen worse incidents than this. And just because you buy a ticket for an event or are getting paid for the event then you don't get free reign to do whatever you want without an reaction or consequence.

@@Joker-np9le holy shit what gibberish

Are you kidding me? I work in the hood. I saw a lot of red flags. Artest is a really, REALLY bad guy. He would be in prison for life if he weren't an NBA player. No question about it. I think he went on psychiatric medication after Malice at the Palace because he never got in trouble again but his play declined significantly. Must be nice to romanticize about guys like this from your gated neighborhood, but try having him in your family or working with him for a living, then we'll talk.

*Slams hand on my table* Thank you. We should be talking about that really

Ron charged the stands, that's why he was punished the worst. Didn't you understand that? LOL. Ron also attacked the wrong guy!

Facts. He started the whole thing. And his brother beat up Fred Jones, which is never talked about.

@@Druhhhhh9905 Fights happen all the time. Artest is the one who was responsible for Malice at the Palace when he went into the stands.