Sounds great and this guy knows his company and mission inside and out, but a new powerplant and new airframe together has historically been proven to not be a good combination. Can’t wait to see one in the flesh
Great presentation. It’s amazing how far we’ve come globally in the last 25 Years, give or take a few. Not too many years ago, we wouldn’t have watched this presentation, nor heard of Dr. Hill and his project. It would be tucked away in a skunkworks warehouse until it was built and flying. Engineers would be in there with their slide rules, drafting boards and notebooks. With our state of the art and very precise machining technology, they can easily cut prototype gears and accessories before lunch. They can even make mock up parts with a 3D printer. This stuff is great history! I’m getting up in age and I have to say, I’ve witnessed the most fascinating years there ever will be. Thanks for sharing. Ps.... you young folks, pay attention, take notes and dream big.
As an engineer, every time I’ve heard another designer refer to something as being simple, they’ve dramatically underestimated that task. I heard the word simple quite a bit in this interview...
I think Hill's point was that the operation of a turbine engine is considerably simpler than say a 2 or 4-stroke internal combustion engine. Did you hear the about the engineers involved in this project? In general I read negative comments about this and other ambitious projects, usually from people who have themselves achieved relatively very little in their lives. Everyone told Koenigsegg that he wouldn't be able to produce his own engine and that he'd be using a V8 Ford block forever...
Just watch this, and I think this is brilliant idea, I never heard of HX50 or Hill helicopters. I just love helicopters from my first flight in an helicopter. Which was back in the 1970 when I was in the army. And just fell in love helicopter flight. Which is amazing, and I tell everyone I meet, you should try it, there’s nothing like it. I wish I had the money to take my ppl(H). I would do it tomorrow. Even now when I hear a chopper , I stop look up and wish It was me up there flying, many thanks for this video. And good luck to You, and Hill helicopters, p.s I love the fresh design That you have brought to the helicopter world. It needed it. And whole new look.
Is this Hill guy for real? He is way underestimating the huge resources and cost involved is designing and producing a turbine engine. It is not as simple as he makes it to be. Many have tried and most have failed.
Folks, there's a reason Bell, Sikorsky, Boeing Vertol and even Robinson don't build their own power plants. You don't have to know what it is, you just have to know that there is one.
I am too getting excited about the project with a little bit of skepticism of course but when he said that the accessories on the engine were going to be electrical it made me pause. I will still be excited though to see where this goes. 🚁💨
A gas turbine with full 30s-emergency-power on gross weight and ISO+15 up to 10kft? Impressive. Still hoping to see the prototypes in the air and finally certified onea on the shelf. But then - how long did the Kopter SH-09 take from maiden flight into service? Now 5 years and counting?
@@shazam6274 Kopter design commenced 2002. First flying prototype 2014. Refinanced several times, the project ran out of money and was then picked up by Leonardo. And that was with an existing, certified powerplant...
I`m beginning to think that they actually will pull this one off!! It seems they both have the money, skills and drive. I will sure buy me an HX-50 if they can keep the price point they are talking about! Let’s cross our fingers!!,
Someone with some positivity, finally! Hill has a stellar team and buckets of drive. I'm expecting everything to work out just fine for there trailblazers... All the best
Smart man! Understands reusing existing components, proven technology, focus on reliability and lower cost. That's what the market needs. Unfortunately, specific fuel consumption of turbines is so much worse than internal combustion that fuel capacity will be a major issue.
I fly a Mosquito XET with a Solar Turbine T-62T thy puts out 95 SHP, with the addition of the aux tank I stay in the air by myself for hours. With the availability of so many small gas turbines that are proven runners why make your own?
@@tdgdbs1 hell of a selling point,made in china,stamped on the powerplant,after all,its a helicopter,not a skateboard.the guy is at a crossroad,dont make a bad turn....
@@jamesringler987 The only way you’ll be able to bring coat down is to manufacture it in a foreign country with dubious labor laws. As for efficiency you really can’t get better than the Solar. What I mean is there is only so much you can get out of a small gas turbine for efficiency before you start burning up parts etc. like a piston engine you don’t want to run it too lean else you’ll burn a piston.
03:40 "we started seriously in 2017" Company incorporated 2 Jul 2020, according to Companies House records Finance statements not yet due 2 Directors appointed: Jason & Isabella Hill
@@JimSmith069 It is now 2024, and the helicopter is still in development so there is no real price, but they are current advertising (on the Hill website) a base price of £595,000 (USD$746,000).
In my ripe old age of 31, I've experienced a myriad of things that sound astonishingly good and yet underdeliver. I remain somewhat skeptical of the promised quality being delivered at the quoted price point. I hope, with alacrity, that I get my assumptions on this particular case proven wrong.
@@Ronnie_B As of April 2024 there has not been one complete engine built, and so the prototype airframes (which look like what was promised) haven't flown... so we still don't know what the helicopter does in real life.
Mr Hill needs to call Rolls Royce, they have an engine on the shelf that is awaiting an aircraft manufacturer's order to complete, and its already logged around a thousand hours. It's called the RR500 and it puts out 475 HP. Best of all, they've eaten all the development costs so you don't have to. All you have to do is convince them that your helo can sell about 500 copies and I'm sure they'll dust'r off and finish'r up.
hit the nail, squarely on the head,stamp RR on the brochure,total customer confidence instantly,someone needs to give the doc a marketing lesson,the rest will follow,doc,your doing a great job,attach yourself to a big fish like RR,and get the show on the road.RR are realy good at what they do,and so respected,make your own turbine a secondary project and somewhere down the line.....who knows?
Been around aviation long enough to know that by the time this reaches production it’ll have gone thru a couple of bankruptcies, changes of ownership and the price will be triple today’s estimate.
I'm impressed. Sure he's an engineer, uses the word simple too much. Maybe he's right. We all get caught up with our favorite words. Still it might be simple. The mechanics may be straightforward. It certainly will hit a few hiccups in production but everything does
Hey Mischa ….As you being a helicopter pilot , and being very familiar with aerodynamics, and weigh, what? 80 kilo? How come the shallow 37 mm dish aero wheels on the road bike😊…..asking for friend 😊
I'd be interested to know the weight of this engine compared to one that might have been used. As was mentioned, most helicopters fly with engines that were not designed for them.
With all the great helicopters and engines on the market, you couldn’t find one that met your requirements? I imagine adapting your design around a current engine would be viable. But for a clean sheet helicopter AND a clean sheet engine - with all the tests and regulations required?
Bell and Robinson are very different. Robinson is far from have the resources to design and build an engine, and Bell knows that it is not cost-effective to build their own.
As I said in my last post, run don’t walk away from these guys! The certification in the standard category of a unique concept helicopter by a tiny new company will take ten years, if ever, and add in a new turbine engine and you won’t see it while you are still young enough to be flying. This fantasy time!
At the very least, I've found these videos to be interesting to watch. I hope they're successful developing what they're trying to build. I have one question for Mischa, "Are you going to be the first to buy one once it's certified in Canada?" ;-)
@@PilotYellow - Excellent! I'll be looking forward to watching this journey unfold. Sounds like it has the potential to be almost as good as your round the world trip. I say "almost" only because your round the world trip was pretty darned good! ;-)
Safran helicopter engines make engines specifically for helicopters. Why would you suggest there is no other company creating turbine engines for helicopters? Statements like this make investors nervous.
Beautiful Craft! Are Any of The Current Proven Helicopter Ballistic Recovery Chutes' 'BRC' Engineering' In The Future of These Rotor Craft?_ Deceased Customers Can't Purchase Another One?! 😶
@@NickMurray it's yet another year later (2024) and they are building components for the first engine, but haven't built all of the components for even the first test engine yet.
@@PilotYellow that early 2021 promise has come and gone. It is now three years past that (May 2024), with no engine built. It would have been better to say "Hill says that they expect that the engine will be running on a test bench early next year". Never make hopes and guesses into statements of fact which turn out to be very wrong.
Too many failures in history where an engineer thinks they’re smarter than everyone else on all the fronts. With all the $ and resources being invested by existing engine manuf, it’s a fools game to think they haven’t considered every possibility and method in perfecting efficiency and performance. At the least, drastic margin just doesn’t exist, possibly not even minor margin to exploit. Eclipse 500 is one that comes to mind, tried to create their own avionics and FMS and had to get the engine manuf to create a new design. Cost of both changed finished price dramatically and end perf wasn’t different than anyone else.
I wonder if this new turbine engine will be cheaper than current off the shelf engines. You had mentioned $450,000 turbines compared to $50,000 gasoline internal combustion engines. 9X more expensive...... So, did this fellow have anything to offer on the expected price of the new engine? Maybe a drop from $450,000 to an astounding $449,000? LOL! Why in heck are these turbines so damnably expensive?
Exotic high-termperature metals turning at 30,000-60,000 rpm in a 800 degrees C environment are more expensive to aquire and machine than say...aluminium pistons.
@@kyqx Not to mention the precision of manufacture and the oil pressures required to keep the axles floating, what add even more precision manufacturing to the gaskets and so on By the way, the compression ratio is 8/1 What can we expect about fuel efficiency?
@@r.guerreiro140 in a gas turbine it's a _pressure ratio_ rather than a compression ratio (different meaning). But yes, it's low, so efficiency will be low.
I super like this project And once I see it flying, I would probably order one and switch to helicopter. I wish you all the success How much cost the overhaul of your turboprop ? And how much cost your turboprop standalone ? (For replacement or any other experimental project ?) Are you planning to sell a version of your turboprop engine, for planes ? (I would love to mount an affordable and efficient turboprop engine on my Lancair project
@@ryanthomas2472 Why would he leave himself wide open for ridicule, what is the point of that. That just doesn't make sense to me. It may take longer than planned but I honestly believe this helicopter will come to market. Believe me i'm the biggest cynic out there, but somehow a gut feeling tells me this will be delivered..
@@shazam6274 I believe the finances are in place, I think this is all about marketing and getting this thing out there. There are a lot of billionaires with money to burn that would snap this up in a heartbeat.
@@ryanthomas2472 I agree, I mentioned the marketing strategy in reply to shazam. Feelings are meaningless in this regard but I'm hopeful. One thing i will say, if this dream is to materialise, this engine needs to be built and hardware tested by the end of 2021..
@@shazam6274 There's a difference between a flying car and a helicopter. Helicopters exist flying cars don't..All i'm saying is let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt. As i said to JT Brandt why would he put himself through all this and open to ridicule for what? Ok maybe he's testing the water to see if there are any investors out there prepared to take a punt, or maybe he has the finances in place nobody knows. If he's genuine then i would expect the turbine at least to be built tested and approved by whichever governing body he uses by end of next year seeing as all the components he talks about are available and in place. Last point, has he not been developing this for the last ten years or have I got that wrong? If he has, and this program is going nowhere then what a total waste of his time and money.
@@shazam6274 I get the point, you have way more knowledge on this than me, I'm just a fan of the channel. I wonder why Mischa has got himself so involved with Hill helicopters, surely he understands the complexities of research and development let alone testing and certification. He's being very naive here giving air time to Hill if what you say is correct.
I work at Mitsubishi turbo engeenering plant in the netherlands we had a proposal from rotax on turbocharging the then new 912 concept. The technical aspect was not that complicated nevertheless our turbo's ware never going to be certified as the production plant that cost over 2 billion euro whas not clean and temprature stable enough to garante that the casting ware within aviation standerts. Any part made in aviation needs to be curtified. Also the real expens the priduction plant of al parts need to be approved and those standard are higher than thecnicaly nessery so all automotive parts or general industry parts aren't a real option for aviation.
There are plenty of turbine engines currently in the marketplace that power 5 person helicopters. This guy just lost me as a potential investor. The probability that he gets a helicopter to the market is slim, but a helicopter and a white sheet of paper engine design? Sheesh! If I was going to invest in an engine start up manufacturer I sure wouldn’t want one that is preoccupied with designing a helicopter. Dope slap from me... I’m out.
Guru's, It's simple, it's very easy, the greatest hits, 5 place bird so what is that mission ? TSOed? reliable ? mechanical back up for the EFC ? "bang up to date ,,you bet? power? energy transfer? questionable very questionable
