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Unveiling The SECRET Ritual Hidden From Most Mormons: The Second Anointing Ceremony 

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The Second Anointing, also known as Calling and Election Made Sure, is a secretive ritual within the Mormon faith that remains largely unknown to the majority of Mormons. This controversial practice involves the anointing of select members, typically high-ranking church officials and their spouses, with a special blessing that guarantees their salvation and exaltation in the afterlife.
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@TanukiDigital
@TanukiDigital Год назад
All Mormons are equal. But some Mormons are more equal than others.
@hopeinHim5160
@hopeinHim5160 4 месяца назад
TanukiDigital, That is so sad and so true. It's a man made ceremony ( which avails nothing, as only GOD can bestow any heavenly gift. ) The entirety of Mormonism is a man made construct. To all who read this, and are still lds, please Run from it, to the true Biblical/ Historical Jesus the Christ of Nazareth Who HAS the POWER to SAVE. ✝️🙏🕊️❤️‍🔥
@darrenlawson4909
@darrenlawson4909 3 месяца назад
And some are just Women.
@southernbawselady7092
@southernbawselady7092 Год назад
I began to wake up from the JW's (Jehovah's Witness) by reading about Mormons and watching videos entitled.."I was a Mormon". Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!! After that I got the courage to go to RU-vid and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up! I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on RU-vid and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left. So all the stigma started to dwindle. Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science. I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down. The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality. After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all of your life. Therapy is definitely a must when waking up! I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯
@valerienelson3296
@valerienelson3296 Год назад
If not for this podcast and others, it would have never occurred to me that it would be so emotionally taxing. I have never been particularly religious so just assumed most would never look back , and only regret how much of their life they missed out on. Now I can clearly see, it's like deprogramming from any other cult, and how deep these teachings are ingrained.
@kurt666morris
@kurt666morris Год назад
Thanks for your post. As a former life long Mormon I can identify with every word and thought you put out here.
@tomsmith2013
@tomsmith2013 Год назад
The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144,000 faithful in a world currently inhabited by nearly 8 billion (not to mention all those who lived in the eons before) will ultimately find salvation in Heaven. With market share like that, Christ couldn't get a job as CEO of Chrysler. Wake up people, the true Church is engraved on the heart, dwells in the mind and is made eternal by the soul. ‘Love one another as I have loved you.’ Nothing else is required
@Tres03
@Tres03 Год назад
What’s your favorite JW deconstruction channel? I want to start watching
@bencheevers6693
@bencheevers6693 Год назад
JW's are quite nuts, I'm happy that you're happier on the outside, I hope your parents aren't shunning you and that the personal cost of living in reality wasn't too destructive to your live and relationships. Just watching some of the animated JW childrens education videos made by the church is deeply disturbing
@MrsSoapAndClay
@MrsSoapAndClay Год назад
Hans describing the love for his wife is so heartwarming. I get emotional every time I hear it.
@lulu-qw8xy
@lulu-qw8xy 8 месяцев назад
Matthew 10:37-39 Bible scripture We are not to love another more than Jesus Christ for we will not be worthy of Him
@Tres03
@Tres03 Год назад
So happy to see Mormon stories getting in touch with average RU-vid length content again. So many episodes go unsent by me because I know my friends won’t watch a 3 hour video
@McRambleOn
@McRambleOn Год назад
@mormonstories Yes! Pls link original/source video to YT “shorts”, & also shortened/clipped videos like this, so that those that want to hear and learn more can easily find/watch the longer vid. The YT shorts are great! But SO many times I’ve tried to find the vid that the clip was derived from, then gave up… & have seen others frustrated abt the same thing. Keep up the good work! Thanks for working to shine light into darkness- its awesome what y’all are accomplishing!
@davidparker9676
@davidparker9676 Год назад
Absolutely! 3+ hours of video is quite the demanding commitment. Hopefully the topics either get edited to have a highlight reel or bite sized clips of reasonable lengths.
@sheliabryant3997
@sheliabryant3997 Год назад
Some of us like long formats, too 💜
@lorinapetranova2607
@lorinapetranova2607 Год назад
I listen to some stuff besides Mormon stuff in segments. Especially educational lectures that nearly take notes. Don't let other ppl decide what to listen to just bcos. Once ppl figure out how to manipulate others.... bleah. Many blessings of a nurturing nature.
@carolecoyote960
@carolecoyote960 Год назад
I really enjoy the longer versions. So much to learn!
@karikendrick1158
@karikendrick1158 Год назад
This man being interviewed understands the true meaning of being a follower of Christ. It’s wonderful that he saw through the nonsensical man-made “rules/laws”, and is able to have his own personal relationship with the Lord. As it should be.
@leahannewoods6170
@leahannewoods6170 Год назад
So beautiful what the gentleman said at the end. He basically said the church can’t be true because of its false hierarchy system. But only God himself is true and pure. And, there’s no man in mankind who is more deserving than another for any reason. All those who love God are a child of God, the same.🥰🙏🙌❤️🔥
@ValerieGriner
@ValerieGriner 7 месяцев назад
That older gentleman has a beautiful soul. He knows something's not right about that "secret ceremony." He quoted some beautiful Biblical scripture, too.
@gordonquickstad
@gordonquickstad Год назад
Mr and Mrs Mattsson seem to have the love of Christ both for God and for their fellow humans. They can have assurance without any second anointing.
@lisagrace6471
@lisagrace6471 Год назад
Exactly- Christ IS the mediator. We need no person, man or woman or church, for access to him. None. He loves us so much.
@petrairene
@petrairene Год назад
Exactly. As long as you love people, you can bless them with that love. No special permission, special church ritual, spiritual belief or whatever needed at all.
@lisagrace6471
@lisagrace6471 Год назад
@@MattTheBandGuy yes!!! That is a blessing- I am only BARELY coming to learn of this and experience it for myself- and it is amazing- it feeds you like being in a natural spring- it is AWESOME :)
@rkn2800
@rkn2800 Год назад
I learned about it on my mission in the 80s. Seemed like a very powerful ritual. Also felt like it was something I’d never get being such a sinner myself (eyeroll with irony since I never considered myself more or less than any other striving member). Now I’m like, I think I’ll pass.
@mortenle
@mortenle Год назад
I bet my parents were second-anointed secretly by my dad's good friend Richard Scott. My parents certainly became a bit more lax as they aged (about R-rated movies, eating out on Sunday). This anti-egalitarian kind of thing is appalling to me, one of two black sheep in my family of two adopted children.
@TEAM__POSEID0N
@TEAM__POSEID0N Год назад
Yeah, it kind of puts that "God is no respecter of persons" claim in a different and dubious light. But when you realize that it's just a grown-up version of a Primary or Sunday School teacher putting a gold star sticker on the foreheads of especially well-behaved children, it's kind of hilarious. Like: "Hey, donate millions and millions of dollars to the General Authorities' slush fund and/or contribute thousands and thousands of hours of uncompensated labor to building up the business...er...church and you too can get a free foot washing from an apostle who will tell you that your exaltation reservation in invisible heaven has been confirmed."
@aspieangel1988
@aspieangel1988 Год назад
The second anointing doesn’t change beliefs. I have millennial friends who had second anointing and they are still very open about things so I’m guessing your parents may be highly religious. Spiritual members view things very differently than the religious members. The religious members are the ones who act cultish and strict. The spiritual members act like actual Christian’s.
@PTSDRemission-PRENEUR
@PTSDRemission-PRENEUR 4 месяца назад
It's NOT losing "faith" it's WAKING TF UP
@hopeinHim5160
@hopeinHim5160 4 месяца назад
Honest Guck, Amen!!
@hopeful6157
@hopeful6157 3 месяца назад
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@hopeinHim5160
@hopeinHim5160 3 месяца назад
Yessss!!🎯❤️‍🔥
@Lucialearning
@Lucialearning 3 месяца назад
The problem I have with the second anointing is that all Christians already have it. Nothing is unique about saying you will be royalty with God. It’s in the Bible for all of us! And never in the Bible does it say you need to earn it, or be elite, or have a temple, or have a an invitation from an authority figure. Jesus says anyone who follows Him is a Joint heir! He wants us to be one as He and the Father are one! The opportunity and blessing to be exalted with Christ is open to all Christians. This whole Mormon idea of “Am I going to make it to the highest degree?” etc. is all misguided. This is all works based. It’s not about making it! Trust Jesus and what He has already told you!
@larh99
@larh99 Год назад
I would like to say I am appreciative of the long format content here. It is of historical importance and will be used for examination in the future. I may not listen to every minute of every conversation, but I appreciate the ability to go back and pick up where I left off when I need to. Most often the extra time spent offers important perspective that otherwise might have been missed. Could there be shorter edits? Of course! But would you gain the same insight? For me, no. I prefer the longer, slower to digest content. I appreciate the slower approach provided here.
@backthebusup
@backthebusup Год назад
I totally agree
@Larissa-eo3pt
@Larissa-eo3pt Год назад
Same here. If someone wants to send a friend the highlights, timestamps exist.
@SevenLlamas
@SevenLlamas Год назад
ISuch a practice so much resembles men's lodges and their degrees and secret ceremonies. Do we really believe a ritual will protect us from the consequences of our lifelong actions? If God is such, He is a respecter of persons and unjust.
@TEAM__POSEID0N
@TEAM__POSEID0N Год назад
Yes. And knowing how the "gift of discernment" really works with the "Prophet" and "Apostles" means understanding that the only people who will get the "Second Anointing" will be people who make themselves known to the Prophet and Apostles and impress them. The "Holy Ghost" isn't going to whisper in the ear of a church leader and tell them to offer the second anointing to a very pure, righteous, humble person in a remote town in Argentina quietly engaging in countless acts of virtuous service to people in need, without seeking any praise or attention for it and often rendering service anonymously. Nope. It's going to be offered to famous, high-profile people who quite noisily and in the spotlight donate massive amounts of money to the Church or rise to prominent positions of leadership as a result of being skillful in producing statistics (baptisms, membership retention, tithing revenue) that impress the top management. Nothing particularly Jesus-y about it.
@PavlovaTheCat
@PavlovaTheCat 6 месяцев назад
What an incredibly sweet and loving couple.
@jeffsaxton716
@jeffsaxton716 10 месяцев назад
What cult worth the name would be complete without SECRET RITUALS? 😂😂
@lauriefarmer5269
@lauriefarmer5269 Год назад
I wish you would bring Tom Phillips back … would like to know how he’s doing
@mormonstories
@mormonstories Год назад
Me too.
@trishwedin4664
@trishwedin4664 Год назад
Thank you for this normal length video. Im so interested in the topics you discuss but find it hard to stay engaged in 2 to 4 hour discussion. Would love to see more like this lenghth!!!
@sierraforever2954
@sierraforever2954 Месяц назад
Who exhalts themselves will be humbled.
@GoldenLight22
@GoldenLight22 Год назад
I never heard of this. I was in the church for 9.5 years. Wow!
@charlesmendeley9823
@charlesmendeley9823 Год назад
It is the same with Scientology. Many lifelong ,embers have not seen the crazy doctrine Tom Cruise and other higher ups go through of they do not reach that level.
@hbendzulla8213
@hbendzulla8213 Год назад
Therefore I Say unto you, second anointing is no more a secret in the Mormon Church. 🥳
@robinedwards8796
@robinedwards8796 Год назад
*Verily I say unto you 😂
@jessedewell
@jessedewell Год назад
​@@vrcodemastersso should we assume that everything that Jesus does in the Bible the Mormon church is still doing with their members current day?
@jessedewell
@jessedewell Год назад
​@@vrcodemasterspeople may also get the impression that it is a secretive ceremony because EVERY person who has experienced it says the same thing. They are not even allowed to share it with their children. So that might explain why some people have the point of view that the church is secretive about the ceremony. If you are a member I would venture to guess that a significant portion of your ward would not be able to explain what it is if you asked them.... I was raised in the church until just about 18 years old and was not aware until just recently and I am in my 40s and my mother is a devout member who works in the temple weekly
@bluehedgehog123
@bluehedgehog123 Год назад
😂
@danielmeakin
@danielmeakin Год назад
@@vrcodemasters He said unless I wash you you have no part with me. The foot washing is emblematic/symbolic not literal. What's necessary is that we are washed by Jesus through faith/trust/belief in Him. That this "exaltation promising" ordinance is reserved for long time devout members is a mockery. Peter hadn't even begun his ministry when he received the foot washing. The washing we need is freely and instantaneously available to all who put their trust in Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. You don't need to wait for an imposter to secretly call you to an idolatry center to be guaranteed eternal life with God. John 3:16.
@BunnyWatson-k1w
@BunnyWatson-k1w Год назад
As members of the bishopric we were instructed to never discuss the Second Anointing with members.
@boysrus61
@boysrus61 Год назад
Safe to say as members of any Bishopric, unless you watch John Dehlin, next to nobody knows anything about Second Anointings and what happens there. Why wouldn't they let every member know, every family member know, every sibling know about this so that they too can strive for this.
@BunnyWatson-k1w
@BunnyWatson-k1w Год назад
@@boysrus61 They would all want the ceremony. Many of the Seventy have not had the second anointing. It is also not needed for exaltation. So the church continues to keep it on a need to know basis.
@melanieahrens6739
@melanieahrens6739 Год назад
⁠@@BunnyWatson-k1wIt seems to me it would be easier just to explain what the requirements are. That way it doesn’t result in a faith crisis when you realize your church has been hiding things from you.
@downy1202
@downy1202 Год назад
@@BunnyWatson-k1wwhy would it need to be need to know basis. Transparency in the church of Christ shouldn’t be something needed to say. It should already be. No secrets.
@jamestrek2570
@jamestrek2570 Год назад
@@BunnyWatson-k1w if it is not needed for salvation then why is it necessary at all??
@recoveryguru
@recoveryguru Год назад
Mind blown. Only heard of the second anointing once before. When I was an LDS missionary, it a fringe topic brought up by other missionaries. I just listened with wide eyes, I had nothing to add to the conversation.
@robertdemitro1520
@robertdemitro1520 Год назад
I heard enough . Really ? Giving humans the status of a God in the after life ? Then the entire church is kept in the dark about " the second anointing " for the very first wealthy and powerful. Sorry but this sounds more like a cult .
@Genna01
@Genna01 Год назад
It is a cult
@tomsmith2013
@tomsmith2013 Год назад
"The Second Anointing" ... in short, for all those with wealth and power in the LDS Church who couldn't get it right the first time. Ridiculous.
@joybischoff9558
@joybischoff9558 Год назад
I know more than one couple who received this who were not at all wealthy or powerful.
@joybischoff9558
@joybischoff9558 Год назад
@@vrcodemasters Well put. Since Jesus instituted the washing of the feet at the Last Supper, it shouldn't raise eyebrows.
@timothyblack3322
@timothyblack3322 Год назад
⁠@@joybischoff9558, During Holy Week, on Holy Thursday Mandatum, the Ceremony of Foot Washing Rite. It is a reminder that we are of the Body of Christ and as such, His followers, we too are called to serve others in the spirit of humility. As Christians, it is our duty to serve others in our community and in the world. This Rite is one of Christ’s final acts before His crucifixion. Holy Thursday also celebrates Christ institution of the Eucharist aka the Sacrament of Holy Communion, and the Sacrament of the Priesthood. 🎚
@tomsmith2013
@tomsmith2013 Год назад
@@vrcodemasters Excuse me? I think you might be confusing Christ with Paul. Jesus said: "LOVE one another as I have loved you."
@cdnelson8358
@cdnelson8358 Год назад
I'd love to know if any low income people have received their second anointing... Seems like wealth and power are part of the requirements. What a croc.
@solarpower1970
@solarpower1970 Год назад
Ha ha ha, he said with zero proof. Besides what's wrong with financial security coming with following God?
@opalined
@opalined Год назад
​@@solarpower1970this is such a warped reply to a question of equality of access to sacred rites. No one thinks that a wealthy person isn't going to be included. But where is the sense of duty to include the anyone in the entire faith, regardless of wealth,who qualifies spiritually for the rite? Giving rites (especially a ticket to heaven, no holds barred) based on money isn't how any church, temple, mosque, etc... works. It's how cults work.
@joanpearl7184
@joanpearl7184 Год назад
Essentially this is how the church works. Not important for your next step - it's sacred not secret. Essentially most everything in the church works this way....
@elizabethgrogan8553
@elizabethgrogan8553 Год назад
Joseph Smith took the feet washing from the Catholic Pope. On the same date, every year, the Pope washes the feet of his staff. It's a sign of humility.
@melanieahrens6739
@melanieahrens6739 Год назад
The Pope took it from the Bible. Jesus washed his disciples’ feet and instructed them to do likewise.
@karencross3815
@karencross3815 Год назад
​@@melanieahrens6739Only in the gospel of John. Even apologetic scholars admit the author of John wrote a sectarian script that is a literary expansion of christology. It was penned late 1st century CE. to fight docetism.
@melanieahrens6739
@melanieahrens6739 Год назад
@@karencross3815 Whether it’s true or not, that’s why the Pope does it.
@melanieahrens6739
@melanieahrens6739 Год назад
@@karencross3815 Sorry, didn’t mean to be rude. I didn’t know that about docetism. I had forgotten this particular story and intended to quote the story of Mary washing Jesus’ feet with her hair.
@dianethulin1700
@dianethulin1700 Год назад
Yes because people in the Middle East are Bedouins who wear sandals and travel great distances. Makes sense to treat them with hospitality. Feet are taboo in the ME and so to wash someone’s feet is to humble oneself before another
@sheliabryant3997
@sheliabryant3997 Год назад
7.19.23:. "Rest assured that there is nothing new in theology except that which is false." - C. H. Spurgeon
@shastafog2516
@shastafog2516 Год назад
I always knew about the second anointing in the temple. I worked in the temple, cleaning at night. Had to get the holy of holies ready. In the sealing room. The marriage had to be sound.
@gridspir
@gridspir Год назад
?
@DanielJesseLife
@DanielJesseLife Год назад
Its very similar to the "being made" ceremony in the mafia. It rhymes a lot.
@lisagrace6471
@lisagrace6471 Год назад
I do not know what that is- never heard of it.
@DanielJesseLife
@DanielJesseLife Год назад
@@lisagrace6471 Then I suggest you do a lot of research into "becoming a made man in the mafia" and the Mormon church's "second annointing". Quite the rabbit hole.
@dr.patriciahorton8394
@dr.patriciahorton8394 Год назад
Very well said, the idea that there is a “most high,” and the last shall be first… certainly does not match with having higher levels in heaven or among believers.
@brendawalton2518
@brendawalton2518 Год назад
I heard of "having your calling and election made sure" in seminary but not much was said about it.
@jeffreyvillegas1288
@jeffreyvillegas1288 Год назад
Yes. My Wife's family founded the Mormon Church.
@Dave-if5qj
@Dave-if5qj Год назад
Mormon history and theology Never gets boring 😂
@jackibrown5215
@jackibrown5215 Год назад
It’s like a comic book. Fictional.
@jeanettel4840
@jeanettel4840 Год назад
This is what's so damned confusing about religion and cults. I am a spiritual person, I've felt god and experienced beautiful things. When you experience something that you are basically entitled to as a human person in the toxic setting it messes you up! You know that experience is good and beautiful and true but it becomes almost impossible to separate one from the other. You can have those beautiful experiences, without religion. I believe that god gives those gifts and experiences freely and generously to us. I am so damned glad I resigned my Mormon church membership this year, I will never regret it. Only took me 50 years to come to my senses.
@evanwildermann7034
@evanwildermann7034 7 месяцев назад
Amen it takes courage what does it profit to gain the whole world but lose your soul
@evanwildermann7034
@evanwildermann7034 7 месяцев назад
If god is with us who can stand against us
@ginatriana1523
@ginatriana1523 Год назад
Spot on Anything weird is not of God. Amen Bless their hearts for having enough wisdom to RUN!!
@ngoc-lanpham2809
@ngoc-lanpham2809 Год назад
Exaltation is eternal salvation which is the “gift of God” (Rom. 6:23). He even specified that it is a “free” gift (Rom. 5:15-18). We do not have do to earn these anointed. It is a gift from Jesus Christ. FREE!
@braedengates3123
@braedengates3123 Год назад
26:50 I felt the spirit with what he said in the end. Forget titles, I’m a child of god and I love it.
@roxanejordan4114
@roxanejordan4114 Год назад
I’m a convert, I went to a private Lutheran school 4-7 th grade, it was at the school that I learned how the Lutheran church came to be. I don’t remember the year but the Catholic Church started selling pieces of paper that guarantees that you would get into heaven. Luther didn’t think that was right and broke away from the Catholic Church. I agree with him. You are responsible for any sins you commit right up until your last breath. Endure to the end.
@evanwildermann7034
@evanwildermann7034 7 месяцев назад
I mean it's a complete parallel to jesus in the temple and he was massively indignant
@davidparker9676
@davidparker9676 Год назад
Is the Second Anointment the same as your "Calling and Election made sure"? My mom used to always talk about having that designation from the church. I asked her how it could be a sure thing before death, anything can happen between the ceremony and death.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
It's the same idea as the "once saved always saved" or "eternal security" doctrine in Southern Baptist teaching. Just with a few more steps.
@karencross3815
@karencross3815 Год назад
When I was young in the early 70's, men in testimony meeting would say they had their calling and election made sure. It happened enough to catch this little girl's attention.
@davidparker9676
@davidparker9676 Год назад
@@karencross3815 Was it typically geriatric men? I haven't heard anyone claim it about themselves, just say how they look forward to it.
@charlesmendeley9823
@charlesmendeley9823 Год назад
​​@@davidparker9676t is either general authorities or rich couples. Probably the Romneys got it. And the Marriotts.
@777LadyVenus
@777LadyVenus Год назад
My ex Mormon friends still believe; even after leaving their cult! That it’s not a secret; “it’s sacred”…. I was always taught; that you share sacred rituals with your community as a child! This way we assist each other’s on Mother Earth 🌍 ❤ Anywho ❤ Much love and gratitude 🙏
@aspieangel1988
@aspieangel1988 Год назад
It’s not a cult but people label it as such because of the things members believe. I had NDE’s awhile back that proved to me the church was indeed Christ’s church, however that was originally when the church was created. Over time it became cultish because members stopped listening to God. Basically the church is half cult half Christian. It depends on each individual member. The church itself isn’t a cult but the MEMBERS are a cult yes. Those of us who are Christian Mormons left due to the controversy but we still read the Book of Mormon. I’m a spiritualist now personally. I left Christianity and Mormonism and all I remember Jesus telling me is to love one another and that none of the religions in the world are true, that we each have a piece of the truth but it’s distorted and mistranslated and he will reveal all when he returns. He wants us to love each other and stop condemning each other.
@777LadyVenus
@777LadyVenus Год назад
@@aspieangel1988 , I had near death experiences as well! I agree with everything you said. We are awakening to the truth and our perspectives are always reaching a higher vantage point for sure. I’m happy Religion is starting to evolve and reconstruct to Jesus Christ teachings as he never wanted to be worshipped nor have patriarchal culture to become so corrupt. I truly believe the laminates will become the true prophets and rebuild Christ consciousness into the Truth and not have cultish mentality. The word Cult in the Egyptian era wasn’t supposed to be demonized. But I guess that’s what the awakening is for to shift our consciousness. Much love ❤️
@as-above-so-below-
@as-above-so-below- Год назад
I'll tell you why she still considers it sacred. It's not mindless brainwashing that makes her say that. Temple ordinances were probably extremely beautiful and personal for here, regardless of doctrinal validity. The temple and the preparation serves as a really effective strategy in providing people with personal spiritual experience. It was probably emotionally healing and pacifying to her to get to go to the temple because of the amount of personal preparation that it takes and the avoidance of spoiling it for those who have spent time preparing magnifies the entire narrative of personal fulfillment. The 'sacredness' is in the sentiment behind private ceremonies like those done in the temple. It gives the whole thing feelings of 'rite of passage' That's an important part of human culture in general that the many modern societies see as alien and they harvest superstition for them. Even if somebody doesn't believe in any of it, they might still look back on Temple ordinances fondly because they are actually fairly beautiful and harmless and spending time to prepare to experience the beauty that seemed so mysterious the whole time makes it cathartic when that day finally comes. Not all secrets are bad secrets. Some of them are delightful surprises. The endowment ceremony will always be an experience that I thought of as beautiful and that's what makes it sacred to me. That's probably what makes it sacred to her regardless of her current belief system. The temples are buildings full of fine arts, sincere craftsmanship, oratory demonstration and beautiful architecture that we don't see as often in person in the modern era and getting to be able to make the experience personal with secrecy is what adds another layer of value to it. Getting to sort of go on a 'vacation' from the outside world in an environment like that is a manifestation of the peace of privacy that so many people are becoming out of touch with. A lot of members who frequent the temple are usually very calm and positive people for a reason. A lot of members who only get to go to the temple a few times in their life who make effort to do so find the journey of getting and remaining prepared to go efficacious for constant self improvement and internal reflection which are essential the premise and starting point of Christian doctrine. If Eternal self improvement is the goal here, then the temple practices and preparation embody that. For an example of this in a less controversial religious practice, in some areas of Hinduism, parts of their temples are indicative of certain milestones in life and maturation. The exterior of some temples are adorned with carnal and sexual symbolism and many are told that if they can't pass through the exterior without being aroused or at least distracted, they need not enter. Going through an exploration of the value of the material world is a part of maturation and understanding so this adds to the sentimental and symbolic value of their spiritual practice. In Buddhism, Siddhartha Gautama's ascent into enlightenment past all the worldly milestones, Gods, and ceilings of understanding on his way too attainment of Nirvana is a really good run through of the enlightenment culture of his time if you want to find some literature to look into what I'm getting at here by referencing Hindu tradition. In older cultures this isn't so alien. In Western cultures, this is just about the scariest and weirdest thing in the world but Westerners are typically becoming more and more unhealthy psychologically over time and adopting practices that have been essential to human culture throughout all time are something that is extremely helpful to people who are struggling to overcome the various manifestations of modern collective suffering.
@as-above-so-below-
@as-above-so-below- Год назад
To expound on my reference to some Eastern enlightenment practices, the 'layers' found in their practice have some parallels to the veil in the temple and even some parts of the anointment ceremony before endowment in regards to putting sentimental value into practice, however not necessarily in direct message and teachings. The temple practices of the mainstream church (not the fundamentalists who engage in disgusting sexual misconduct and child grooming within their temples) are innately human teaching practices that many in modern Western culture aren't exposed to regularly that are extremely beneficial. The practice of patriarchal blessing in the church is another example of this in action. In regards to the second anointing, imagine how deeply personal something like that would feel to grow old with your partner in the Church, striving to keep it's teachings and precepts near to your heart to be given one final rite of passage that was kept completely and utterly secret to you your entire life.
@brothernobody1775
@brothernobody1775 Год назад
I'll never be rich enough to buy the chance to be a God have an apostle get on bended knee to wash all my sins off so pray for all our souls after this life is done his kingdom ain't for us sinners or an unsuccessful son
@ValerieGriner
@ValerieGriner 7 месяцев назад
Jesus sought the sinners...not the rich temple goers. Jesus is humble, kind and forgiving. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
@mossandsea
@mossandsea 10 месяцев назад
I like the 3 hour videos :) I hope we get some more sprinkled in for those of us who like to tuck in and feast. But this is a nice length too.
@Bob-jm8kl
@Bob-jm8kl Год назад
What if there’s a third anointing? 😳
@charlesoverton
@charlesoverton 4 месяца назад
Jesus said nothing is secret in his organization and teachings.
@brendaplunkett8659
@brendaplunkett8659 8 месяцев назад
OMG I love this couple. He is so spot on. I am so glad I watched the whole interview. I feel the same way he does about all this. He is a brave man.
@mikejerman4147
@mikejerman4147 Год назад
What about the THIRD anointing?
@pamelamarie137
@pamelamarie137 Год назад
😂
@badmiddens
@badmiddens Год назад
That's the one where they go, "This little piggie went to market..."
@matthewroberts3125
@matthewroberts3125 Год назад
Or the FOURTH...?
@charlesmendeley9823
@charlesmendeley9823 Год назад
This is probably reserved to the Q15. In this ceremony, Nelson and Oaks tell you that polygamy is still a thing in the LDS church.
@sadieesther9721
@sadieesther9721 Год назад
That’s so crazy that women are then priestesses and can give blessings after this!! I remember the communities of Christ guy saying that women when the church first started would speak in tongues and give blessings and sacrament
@boxie13
@boxie13 Год назад
Imagine if the temple had no ceilings. Don’t all buildings have them? …I’ll leave lol
@0l550
@0l550 Год назад
I know how being raised in a religion can allow you to gloss over so many weird things, but this religion just keeps getting stranger and stranger. It’s almost like Joseph Smith sat down, tried making the most obscene/ridiculous story, and then just sat back and started laughing to himself at how many people fell for it.
@ValerieGriner
@ValerieGriner 7 месяцев назад
Right! That's exactly how I feel!
@robertbarney8635
@robertbarney8635 7 месяцев назад
The upward mobility is in most Large corporations is practiced similarly. Some secret societies also have hidden rankings of higher standing. The Mormon religion was modeled after Freemasonry.
@hobgoblin1976
@hobgoblin1976 Год назад
One of the many problematic aspects of this second anointing business is its intrinsic elitism. It's very "Old Regime": it consecrates a Mormon nobility of Kings and Queens vs. the commoners. Queens are allowed to bless like male priests, but the common females cannot; the commoners are subject to an ad hoc ecclesiastical legal jurisdiction, the anointed are given immunity. JS was a genius of control and influence.
@Michaelangie
@Michaelangie Год назад
I came back to the channel after the full interview to see if there was an update and I noticed the full interview is no longer up. Does this mean this bishop's stake president didn't react well to the interview and asked him to have it taken down? Something similar happened to me when I shared a video that had to do with church welfare, my bishop asked me to remove it.
@jamestrek2570
@jamestrek2570 Год назад
The # 1 rule about fight club…. Hahahhah
@kirstieanderson9399
@kirstieanderson9399 Год назад
Question: can members who have received their second anointing be excommunicated? I imagine they could for murder. But what about sexual sins or apostacy?
@sjenson6694
@sjenson6694 Год назад
It's a phony cult.. so it doesn't matter either way does it.
@av2155
@av2155 8 дней назад
I'm so very sorry 😭
@jimmyjackson2361
@jimmyjackson2361 8 месяцев назад
It’s a shame what the Joseph Smith religion has done to so many wonderful people.
@charlesoverton
@charlesoverton 4 месяца назад
Joseph Smith said you could lie to an infidels and it wasn't a sin.
@trsnomis6471
@trsnomis6471 Год назад
One reason it is kept secret, yes secret, is because some who receive it may have not have been exactly honest etc in their day to day dealings. If those who were treated poorly knew of this promise of godhood to a less than honorable person how would that look.
@egriffiths8993
@egriffiths8993 6 месяцев назад
Amazing. So everyone needs 2 interviews for a temple recommend. But on the say so and recommendation of someone else who can’t possible know all about you. You get the golden ticket to the Celestial kingdom. Yes that makes total sense.
@johnnydoughness7051
@johnnydoughness7051 Год назад
Met a couple of male missionaries at BART, told them I listened to MS. One was nice, the other looked like he wanted to assault me.
@jamesnutt4627
@jamesnutt4627 Год назад
Narcissistic to the outer limits!
@SantoAtheos
@SantoAtheos 9 месяцев назад
I heard about the Second Anointing in the early 00's from a family member, who was in turn relaying it occurring to an important LDS ancestor. The account included the feet washing by a church apostle in the manner of Jesus at the last supper. My family wasn't the best at keeping secrets, even "sacred" ones. I heard the phrase "calling and election made sure" used quite often over the years as LDS. It was used to describe anyone who was a part of the Willie and Martin handcart disaster and pioneers on the 1880 Hole-In-The-Rock expedition (not to be confused with the Hole'N The Rock cave on the highway near Moab.). My dad used to joke that anyone descended from HITR pioneers (which of course included him) didn't even need to be baptized, and all "Hole-In-the-Rock stock" had their callings and elections made sure just by the virtue of their descending from those pioneers. The Second Anointing sounds just as asinine and a joke when you think about it.
@lorinapetranova2607
@lorinapetranova2607 Год назад
This was too short. An amazing n precious couple. Breaks my heart to hear such decent folk get bamboozled. Very tender MSP. Thank you to John Dehlin and the crew. Many blessings for being real.
@kristibi7971
@kristibi7971 6 месяцев назад
The love he felt is real and powerful. Problem is, it is exploited by the organization. That's the structure of it
@kristibi7971
@kristibi7971 6 месяцев назад
And that is deeply and profoundly painful. To have your spirit exploited. It causes rage in some.
@rebeccacampbell585
@rebeccacampbell585 Год назад
It is strange. Another strange thing is how they force these strong emotional reactions through ceremony with no preparation. This seems like a form of trauma.
@charlesmendeley9823
@charlesmendeley9823 Год назад
This idea systems from Freemasonry. When a man is initiated into Freemasonry, he also doesn't know what is going to happen, he is blindfolded, etc., and especially the original rituals were quite frightening, e.g. being pointed at by swords etc. The idea is to create a memorable event, or trauma.
@bradleyvaughn1605
@bradleyvaughn1605 Год назад
Oh my gosh! Welcome to crazy town. I'm 63 and left the Church. Unbelievable to me that they can break some commandments.
@kathymunsee6468
@kathymunsee6468 15 дней назад
I thinkTim Ballard thought he had the second annointing so he could do what he wanted. And Russel M Ballard told him "Do better." Seriously?
@jdt73
@jdt73 10 месяцев назад
It's not secret it's sacred 🤮
@falkenlaser
@falkenlaser Год назад
I’m not Mormon (I’m Catholic), but yesterday I toured the brand new temple in Moses Lake, WA. As an appreciator of architecture, I was absolutely amazed of the beauty of the temple. You just do not see any buildings built like that these days. They told me even the carpet was custom made. I also immediately felt an immense sense of community the Mormons there had that I really wish existed in the Catholic Church. However, I have heard that there was secret beliefs in Mormonism, and a Mormon family I grew up knowing left the church after apparently learning about them. So I asked one of the guys outside the temple if there was any secret ceremonies, and he said there aren’t any. But when I got home I just started researching temples on Wikipedia, and low and behold it has an article about the Second Anointing, which it even says is not known to most Mormons. While it’s certainly not as secretive or reality-shattering as Scientology’s OT3 (the Xenu story), it’s still analogous in that few church members even know about it, and I wonder if that Mormon family I knew left when they found out about it or possibly went through it.
@1just4laughs
@1just4laughs 3 месяца назад
Always have the rich and powerful (relative to the area) placed as the leadership. Always the most godly
@brendaplunkett8659
@brendaplunkett8659 7 месяцев назад
What would denying the holy ghost look like? How would any one else know?
@IBNED
@IBNED 4 месяца назад
You would have come out in open rebellion against God...
@craftycriminalistwithms.z3053
Wow! The German (I think) couple really nailed it! ❤
@charlesmendeley9823
@charlesmendeley9823 Год назад
Hans Mattsson is Swedish.
@kosmicwizard
@kosmicwizard 6 месяцев назад
I'm so sad that this isn't the path to salvation. I wish that families could be together forever, but instead this church is elitist, patriarchal and discriminatory to those that are born queer, as an example.
@ServantofYahshuaHaMashiach
@ServantofYahshuaHaMashiach 8 месяцев назад
When prophets hear the Father, it comes in pieces and the prophet has to do his best to translate and piece together to make sense of what and relate what the Devine reveals! Often this is over periods of days! With that said the Temples are perfect, just as they are, the rooms are needed just as they are, they just won’t be used the way they currently are during the Tribulation! I’ve never entered a Temple, but I’m assured they are ready ❤ VANA
@sharoncundiff7680
@sharoncundiff7680 Год назад
It's a get outta jail free pass!
@hharris9574
@hharris9574 Год назад
THiS man has the RiGHT questions in mind. I have NEVER heard anyone more SiNCERE in my entire life. People who deserve these things shouldn’t “all knowing” just contemplate god as good & how WE can emulate GOOD as much as possible.
@theitineranthistorian2024
@theitineranthistorian2024 Год назад
strange but beautiful. thanks for sharing, very bold.
@kristibi7971
@kristibi7971 6 месяцев назад
Are you interviewing the sweet Scandinavian couple inside a momo church? Lol
@lindapearson8137
@lindapearson8137 Год назад
Only God gives an anointing through the Holy Spirit!
@IBNED
@IBNED 4 месяца назад
Not according to D & C 132:7
@michelebegor4191
@michelebegor4191 7 месяцев назад
Very interesting. My parents finally got married in the Temple i assume so they can be sealed to their children. My parents lost 2 adult children and have 2 alive both widows😢 i don't believe in the Mormon church. ❤
@Wdbut
@Wdbut 9 месяцев назад
After reading pondering and sincere prayer, the spirit can confirm to you of its truthfulness. It is the book of Mormon and the spirit which God gives for those really seeking. In our modern day it's easier to watch naysayers than to read ponder and get a spiritual witness to your spirit of what is divine.
@chlyri
@chlyri 8 месяцев назад
it's easier to let them tell you how to think and interpret your feelings than to actually seek out evidence. 🤷‍♀️
@chupacabraatx9574
@chupacabraatx9574 6 месяцев назад
I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. No one is buying what you are selling here. Your feelings are not evidence of anything.
@zairen5421
@zairen5421 11 месяцев назад
The second anonting is satanic
@trevorlees1241
@trevorlees1241 Год назад
I do like this programme as it so clearly shows the failings of good and decent people Trusting people who are being taken advantage of Such amazing promises and only for the ‘most accomplished’ People of the church this 2nd anointing No doubt these people are at the height of their careers and can make the largest contributions to the church It’s really feeling more like a great business based as ‘faith’ as that keeps it tax free too Money money money 10% each month of your income each month Certainly this organisation teaches some good values But how can anybody be convinced about MrSmith and the Angels with gold plaques Oh,I did say after my temple tour that if I could see the gold plaques so would be convinced- but alas was told the angels took them back again To trust such things and to deal with that over many years before realising these false hoods must be heart breaking to those that grow too wise Human endeavour maybe not wasted but based on what ?
@bubbles581
@bubbles581 5 месяцев назад
Most religions throughout history have had some things only known to clergy and/or the very dedicated. Even in evangelical christianity pastors keep many open secrets about biblical scholarship.
@kuor1979
@kuor1979 Год назад
Wealthy ... Go figure ...
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Год назад
He's never read about making you're calling and election sure or Jesus washing the disciples feet in secrecy? 30 seconds in and you are reminded that the problem is always the people... and what they think is _problematic_
@edwinreding
@edwinreding Год назад
What about when Jesus Christ washed his disípeles feet
@bcnidiomas6528
@bcnidiomas6528 Год назад
Church make sure that you are going to give all your money contribuition by the widow partner !!!!
@sveta5a125
@sveta5a125 Месяц назад
Idiotism...........Theatr for people........
@PennyLyon
@PennyLyon Год назад
The last shall be the first. Enough said there.
@p.s.anders
@p.s.anders Год назад
It's symbolism, what's all the fuss about? Christ had his feet washed. The Vatican practices feet washing.
@lindapearson8137
@lindapearson8137 Год назад
How do Mormons believe they will be come a god? That is not in the living Word of God!
@TEAM__POSEID0N
@TEAM__POSEID0N Год назад
They think that Joseph Smith revealed all kinds of stuff from god that somehow got lost, misplaced and hidden over the centuries. Most of the stuff that he revealed just coincidentally (wink, wink) gave Joseph Smith more power and authority over his followers.
@aspieangel1988
@aspieangel1988 Год назад
I have heard of it but it’s basically useless. My dad had it. He said it’s just a fulfilling of the promises of the 1st anointing and they tell you it’s a one way ticket to exaltation but it actually isn’t. It’s no different than any other religious act of obedience in churches. It’s not a guarantee. If one spouse sins, and they don’t repent, it won’t work. Many people think this annointing is cultish but it isn’t. It’s just a religious ritual and it’s definitely not secret. Most of us know about it. We are told not to discuss temple ordinances because they are sacred not secret and yeah they make you do a vow of secrecy but there’s no penalty if you break that vow. All that crap about priesthood holders agreeing to kill themselves is an outright lie. My dad and uncle and grandfather all went through the temple and they never were asked to do that. No LDS members I have spoken with went through that. FLDS survivors however DID. Those videos online labeled LDS are actually from the FLDS temple. People often get the 2 groups confused. These cultish practices everybody sees online are NOT LDS they are FLDS. I grew up in the LDS church so I would know and our prophet got rid of the old temple practices that are outdated claiming God told him we were never to engage in those old practices and that God gave him instructions to update the practices. I believe in personal revelation so I do believe this could be true because the Christian God probably would restore the church to Christianity. As for all the abuse accusations against the church, that’s all true. However the church doesn’t condone it. It’s the members who are cultish not the church itself. Many of us want to abolish the cultish beliefs members have created and restore the church to Christianity. As far as the Book of Mormon goes, it isn’t contradictory. The people who bash it usually haven’t even read it and those who did misinterpreted what it says. I have literally stopped Christian’s dead in their tracks explaining it’s actual meanings and once they hear my explanations they see it’s the word of God. Other LDS members confirm Christian’s suspicions but they are liars and taking it the wrong way. It isn’t the Bible nor was it added to the Bible. Scripture never said there wasn’t any other religious books. What if said was don’t add to or change the Bible but the Book of Mormon isn’t the Bible so it doesn’t count. It’s no different than the Q’uran or the Catholics book of saints or the Dead Sea scrolls or any other religious texts out there. Just because a religion is different doesn’t make it a cult. It’s wrong to label all of us a cult because some of us are actually Christian’s. Honestly? Christian’s shouldn’t be bashing other believers or other churches to begin with. They aren’t God. All those Christian’s who bash the church will be judged by God for judging others. Jesus himself taught not to judge. Let God be the judge. Pray for those you think are wrong. To be honest I did leave the church and became inactive because of the rumors so I’m still a member but I left Christianity and Mormonism for spiritualism because I got sick and tired of Christian’s and their judgmental hypocritical shit. I got sick of Mormonism for the same reason. So I worship God my own way. I’m not Muslim but I do read the Q’uran to educate myself. I do have a hijab I wear for prayer but it’s just for prayer purposes and I pray no different than any other LDS member. Spiritualists basically believe all Abrahamic faiths are connected as one so I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me to what is right. Last time I prayed I got the answer that we are to love each other, let God be the judge and do the best we can. I don’t care if I go to heaven or hell. I have had 3 NDE’s after almost dying my entire life and after experiencing those I know the truth about Jesus, God, Allah and even other gods. Yes the Bible confirms other gods do in fact exist but they aren’t true gods. They are spirits who rebelled against God himself and declared themselves as gods. I don’t speak of the things in my NDE’s because I know not everyone beliefs in NDE’s so I keep quiet out of fear of someone bullying me or not believing me. My psychiatrist and psychologist already know about it and according to them NDE’s are not mental illness because they are a religious encounter and every other psychiatrist and psychologist I have seen has said the same thing. Even the ones who don’t believe in NDE’s have said it’s not mental illness. So those who believe NDE’s are a delusion are completely wrong because psychiatric professionals have told me otherwise. That said, I have witnessed hell, heaven, outer darkness, I have even witnessed multiple kingdoms in heaven but I didn’t see 6 as Islam believes, I didn’t see one as Christian’s believe, I didn’t see 3 as Mormons believe. I saw 5 separate kingdoms. Only ONE however was actually Gods. One was for the angels. One was for Jesus. One was for Muslims and the other one was for people who loved Jesus but refused to obey Gods laws or the laws of Jesus. I had seen spirit prison which is on earth where ghosts reside, I had seen outer darkness which is worse than hell, death for the dead and I saw actual black coffins of the deceased who were dead in spirit. I have seen things both terrifying and beautiful. All I remember though is jesus telling me “tell them to love. Tell them to stop judging other churches. Tell them to embrace and love one another. Tell them to trust me” he kept telling me he never wanted all these different churches and the church is to be believers not buildings. That’s WHY I converted to spiritualist because that’s literally the only religion on the planet that teaches we are all connected. I feel so free being spiritual instead of religious. It’s a pure freedom and I will never return to religion ever again. I have been bullied and mocked before by Christian’s, Jews, Catholics and Mormons for this and Muslims shun me but I have no regrets. People don’t think about what Jesus wants. All they think about is religion, rules, judgment and doctrine but Jesus wants us not religion. The commandments are important but not more important than love. The Christian’s of today are basically the Pharisees of bible times. That’s the way I see it so as far as I’m concerned Christian’s, Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Mormons can stay away from me because they pushed me out of religion with their hate and judgment but I’m a spiritualist now and closer to God than I ever was before and I’ll never go back ❤ By the way, when I asked Jesus which church was true, he said the same thing to me that he once said to Joseph Smith and he repeated what the Bible said. He told me none of them are correct, all of them have a piece of the truth but the evangelists are the chosen last. When I opened my Bible and it said evangelists will be the last Christian’s I was in shock. I always felt close to God listening to Joyce Meyer and now I know why. Basically Jesus had told me his children have strayed and none of them have the truth but they think they do but they do have pieces of the truth. As far as temple ordinances, I don’t give a shit what the church says. I tell people about the temple because I feel people should know about it so they aren’t as fearful. If that gets me excommunicated so be it. By the way, excommunication does NOT mean you lose spiritual gifts or baptism. Church members can say that all they want but only GOD has authority to take that away and the Bible is quite clear once God gives you a gift he doesn’t take it away from you and once you are baptized it’s forever so anyone who’s excommunicated, your gifts and baptism covenants are still there. You are still saved. Don’t let the church leaders tell you otherwise ❤
@chupacabraatx9574
@chupacabraatx9574 6 месяцев назад
Wow. You are a long talker/writer. It is not at all clear what you are tying to say.
@wrp3
@wrp3 Год назад
Alot of secrecy so they can add and change things as they(apostles) want. This religion is Total bravo sierra...
@TEAM__POSEID0N
@TEAM__POSEID0N Год назад
I believe it's no accident that Kolob spelled backwards sounds like "bollock". Just add an "s" (standing for something that smells bad) and the picture is complete.
@ingridfong-daley5899
@ingridfong-daley5899 Год назад
The connections between Mormonism and Masonic principles both feel like their roots are in celtic traditions--the principles of priest/priestess (alternating submissive equality), the specificity of certain symbols and gestures, along with the promises made in both directions. As above, so below. Bow your heads and say yes. Seems almost a bargain for only 10% of your annual income and your kids' time/attention/inheritance!
@hbendzulla8213
@hbendzulla8213 Год назад
Joe and Hyrum Smith, a Decadents from Jesus, big deal. I’m a Decadent from Adam.
@TEAM__POSEID0N
@TEAM__POSEID0N Год назад
I'm decadent because I drink coffee.
@jimmyking8045
@jimmyking8045 Год назад
I don’t know why this is a big deal; everyone seems really sensitive about it
@ameelecoq8801
@ameelecoq8801 Год назад
So the status is permanent unless murder is committed? What if the member does lose their faith, I wonder..
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