UpFront - Palestine 🇵🇸 and Israel 🇮🇱 : One state, or two? - UpFront 

She is christian

Religious jewish birthrate is up as well and it is being encouraged by forces on the Israeli right, as well as encouraging them to make Aliya.

Muslim birthrates vs jews and zionist occupation. In 30 years later?? Christian majority country😀

10 years from now, Israel will have a trillion dollar economy and gaza will still lack clean drinking water.

I like how the Arab colonizers are constantly slandering the Jews with the accusation of "genocide" and "massacres" and "war crimes" yet in the same breath threaten Jews with demographic majority. "Palestine" is colonialism. Lol

The younger generations on both sides are more fanatical than their parents and grandparents.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bec U believe the Palestinians media that’s lie Bec Hamas Threatens them

We get the Arab colonialist narrative constantly. What are you talking about?

Al Jazeera is known for being an Arab propaganda channel. I would not believe anything they say. In fact, I only watch them for an update on the propaganda.

It hurt to see this summer when Israeli Arabs turned on Israel, and atracked Jews in the streets. Imagine what would happen if more Arabs are allowed into the state.

@@shainazion4073 Conflicts would continue either way.

That’s not gonne work the Arabs will become majority in. Israel then. It will use its Jewish character we can’t led that happen

Arabs will not guarantee the rights of indigenous people, since they never actually do in any of the states wherein which they have majority. So, no. Your bullshit about "equal rights" is just a strategy for colonialism.

He’s also completely disconnected from reality. How many Arab states exist with multiple religions/sects that are a democracy as he want this to be?

Because people will find out that all Arab nations including Saudi and Egypt determined today that Qatar and House of Thani are terrorists and Mehdi Hasan responsible for the propaganda

Elie Sterin and not to forget Israel killing innocent children and mothers

Elie Sterin No not all arab nations It’s only Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain

Elie Sterin No not all arab nations It’s only Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain

They are all wrong and right at the same time.

Yigal amir killed the 2 state solution 26 years ago and there isn't a critical mass of people that truly have the willingness to make the one state solution work in a fair manner.

G'od is holy, life is holy, the land becames holy if people stop harming. The Prophet said 3 time: Don't harm, don't harm, don't harm. ALLAH HU ABHA, God is beauty in everyone

Why should they

They offered it 5 times!

@@anasmohsin389 You should check your History, The Arabs have been offered a 2 state solution 5 times. They are the ones that reject it. The Arabs should go back to Arabia. This is nothing more than the Arabization going on here

@@Nobody-sb6tr Palestine became Arab over 1000 years ago. If they are not indigenous the English should also go back to Germany.

@@Sam-gy3ok Sorry, nope. Jews came from Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Arabs come from Arabian Peninsula. These Arabs are interlopers. However, there are plenty of Arab Palestinians that can live shoulder to shoulder with their Jew neighbours in Israel. They could live as equals under the flag of Israel, a western democracy. Instead, they cry foul when they lose a fight they started. Palestinian protestors are a bunch of George Zimmermans.

Yeah one state, Palestine

@@muzammal498 Nope

you think the jews are stupid? they will never allow it because they know what are the intensions of the palestinians, i suggest the palestinians to move to other place because they lost the trust of the jews

@@YahomieRevil it will never be 1 stare Israel I hope you don't believe that

@@muzammal498 Or better, Israel.

I prefer two States solution. But I Am sorry about the Christians in the holy land

When have they ever admitted their own mistakes? They just blame everyone for no solution

@@Anp562 Maybe you’re right. I can’t think of a time. I actually saw a documentary about the 1948 war where Palestinian Arab scholars asked the question, “In hindsight, should our leaders have accepted the UN partition plan or the Peel Commission plan, or even spoken with the British about a Palestinian state during the Mandate period before WW2? I think we can look back and safely say that that would have been better.” I’m not quoting it exactly word for word since I’m quoting it from memory. But that’s the closest thing I have ever seen to a regret being expressed. And it was by a scholar, not someone in Arab leadership.

@@sandrad9695 Both Israelis and Palestinians can point at million reasons to support their own arguments. So much has happened in the last 100 years that everyone has made mistakes at some point but the biggest mistake of Palestinians was the decision to not establish a state between 1949-1967. There is just no excuse for that

I'm not sure how much propaganda you have been subjected to, but Israel has never offered a two-state solution. Israel has ethnically cleansed countless villages of Palestinians and forced them to live as refugees. When there were negotiations, Israel would not allow the Palestinians to return home, yet wants to allow the "right of return" to Jews who have never had family living there and won't stop the settlements on Palestinian land. Israel would not commit to anything in writing either. Their negotiations were completely in bad faith. A lot like the USA with its indigenous population.

Because in reality , on the ground Israelis continue to allocate more " settlers" into Palestinas ; the Israelis " actions " are not matching with their mouth

@KTD212 Than wtf did your former female prime minister, Golda Meir, in the interview, once said that she was a Palestinian citizen? Why does the 1940 map of the Middle East say Palestine, and not Israel? The country that does not exist is Israel. Israel is an Artificial nation that didn't came into existence before 1948. Chuck Norris is older than Israel. Palestinian Non-Jews are 51% Levantine, and only 9% Arab proven by DNA results.

Do nt lie

Two states was rejected by Arabs since 1947. They refused to accept the existence of a Jewish state on any borders and still do to this day.

May I ask a question. R u Palestinian or Israeli ? Well if so then ya u have the right to suggest a solution as u probably know what the real situation is but otherwise dont poke your nose in such a complicated conflict.

jf 204264 Nothing complicated about the situation. A geneticist proved through DNA that the people in Israel today are not original Jews but people that converted to Judaism over a thousand years ago. Their ancestors come from khazaria not Israel. In 1948 the fake Jews (khazars) were only 30% of the population. In 1878 the fake Jewish population was only 5%. Out of Khazaria-Evidence for “Jewish Genome” Lacking. Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, thinks so. So here’s the solution...the Khazars should move back to the Ukraine where their ancestors come from.

@@theredboneking that book has been refuted already and mitochondrial DNA tests do show that all Jew people have a middle eastern background despite coming from different parts of the world.

@@cosmokaulitz22 That’s called “Damage control”. It has not been refuted at all.

@@cosmokaulitz22 Out of Khazaria-Evidence for “Jewish Genome” Lacking. Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, thinks so. Eran Elhaik is an Israeli-American geneticist and bioinformatician. His research uses computational, statistical, epidemiological and mathematical approaches to fields such as complex disorders, population genetics, personalised medicine, molecular evolution, genomics, paleogenomics and epigenetics. In the field of population genetics, Elhaik has published papers analyzing the ancestries of European Jews and Druze, including work related to the Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, a contentious subject that has received media attention. Elhaik argues for a non-Levantine origin of the Ashkenaz and favours the hypothesis that they are of mixed Irano-Turko-Slavic and southern European descent.

​@luaye1764It's primarily about nationality rather than religion.

@Luaay E nether will Palestine they both want it all and cant compromise, it too bad really

@Luaay E If Israel allowed them to have a higher quality of life, there birth rate would lower. Do Palestinians really have 9x as many children as Israelis though?

@Luaay E I would argue a better mentality though since they have democracy and aren't always in conflict

@Luay Alamir pretty terrible ethno state when 20 percent are arabs Israelis.

@@peacelove7495 they still want Jews to be the majority, so yes it’s an ethno state

I was wondering the same thing, I would like to know if the palestinians would agree to the one state solution.

@Peselo @Pedrinho Forgiveness is hard, but it is a solution. Trust takes two people. One small action, as simple as a smile or a nod or wave, can be the first step. Because the other side is probably thinking and asking the same about you :'(. We all share this world.

@Peselo you're right, both states would alway kill each others to get jerusalem but only one can own it and we Pakistanis support the native one to rule jerusalem 🇵🇸❤🇵🇰

@Peselo the same way we all forgived Germany for the Holocaust, and Rwandas forgived each other. If your will of revenge is bigger than accepting a solution that might works, you don't love your own people. As a jew(not Israeli) all I want is the peace, because I care about my people and peace/forgiveness means more than this situation for the security of ourselves as jews. Don't want you to reply, and I totally respect you and your history, but think about what I wrote.

The Palestinians attacked 5 or more different times, lost each time, now you want to give them another land and let them rule? They have 2 incompetent Governments now, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and Fatah is on yhe 17th year of their 4 year term.

Why not both? Mixed rule

The same way they can be refugees for 3000 years then come back and claim the land

Just prefacing this with the fact that I'm against the occupation & subjugation of Palestinians and I believe there should be a binational democratic state for both peoples. +Sauron Merciful You are actually historically and scientifically wrong. There has been a breadth of studies on Jewish people showing that both Ashkenazi and Sephardi people have genetic ties to the Levant. Additionally, it is historical fact that there existed a kingdom of Israel and Judah in Israel & Palestine. Also, being Jewish myself, I know Israel is the predominant theme of the Torah and longing to return to Israel, after being displaced by the Romans, has been the biggest theme in our history Thus I believe both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous to the land.

@@zacf991 with all due respect but a religious text is not a historical document nor is God a real estate agent. Your Torah is just an other middle Eastern myth

did you ignore the historical and scientific facts I included or just skip over them to use religion as a strawman to bash jewish people for wanting to have security?

Nice words, but most Palestinians adhere to the idea of an Islamic Republic, not a free secular Palestine.

Show me one Arab country where that high ideals are in practice, where? Look at the west bank, all its corruption.Oh Allah ta'ala, clean their hearts!

@@el_naif Explain about the Secular PFLP, and George Habash(Palestinian Orthodox Christian who brought greater influence in the struggle against IsraHell, and is a very important figure in the Palestinian cause).

"Palestine" is colonialism.

this is Israeli excuse: 'offered peace'. Israel is apartheid state.

@@cobaltbomba4310 It's not an excuse, it happened. They were offered peace and walked away from it. Multiple times.

And what did the peace deals offer? The PLO made peace with the Oslo accords and it gave them next to nothing but the continued occupation today. If I take over your house and then tell you that you can have the shed outside is it your fault if conflict continues?

@@user-om2bw1cj1r lies

@@cobaltbomba4310 Its very easy to say things, there are no Jews-only water fountains, or Arab-only busses, or segregated theaters in Israel. All Israelis have the same rights, there is no Apartheid. You have to realize, there are 2 governments, Israel does not make policy for the Palestinian Authority, and The PA does not make policy for Israel.

Or at least a neutral one, with a dual name

@Michael Gold about as delusional as Israel being a democracy & a state of peace

@Luaay E That is exactly why I asked the question. Because the world only talks about your point, but not about mine. Thank you for helping me showing this with your comment 🤗

@Luaay E If you look at my question, I said: IF THE WEST BANK BECOMES A STATE... ? Will all the palestinians live at the new PA state and all the Jews at the existing Israel?

Eighty per cent is not really 'overwhelming'.

*One state, with EQUALITY for all, and the return of all refugees.*

*Here are some facts relating to the Arab ownership of land* from ‘The Birth of Israel’ by Simha Flapan, who from 1954 to 1981 was National Secretary of Israel’s MAPAM party.The Israel Absentees’ Property Law of 1950 stated that any Arabs who left their place of residence between Nov ‘47 and Sept ’48, [note, this does not mean they actually crossed any borders], were declared absentees and their property subject to *appropriation* by the [Israeli] Custodian of Absentees Property. A detailed account was prepared by Joseph Schechtman... _“The amount of this property,”_ he wrote in 1952, is _“very considerable”: 2,990,000 dunams (739,750 arces) of formerly Arab owned land, including olive and orange groves, vineyards, citrus orchards, and assorted tree gardens, became totally _*_deserted?_*_... 2,070,270 dunams were of good quality, 136,530 of medium quality and 751,730 dunams were of poor soil. In addition, 73,000 dwelling rooms in _*_abandoned?_*_ Arab houses and 7,800 shops, workshops and storerooms became ownerless in towns and villages._ *Bank accounts estimated to total up to 5 million Palestinian pounds and left in Arab and non-Arab banks were frozen by the Israel government. All of this Arab absentee property, movable and immovable, was entrusted to an official “custodian".* Schechtman went on to detail how the property was utilized: _It is difficult to overestimate the tremendous role this abandoned Arab property has played in the settlement of 100’s of 1000’s of Jewish immigrants who have reached Israel since the proclamation of the state in May 1948. 47 new rural settlements established on the sites of abandoned Arab villages absorbed 25,255 new immigrants...over 1 million dunams leased by the custodian of Jewish settlements and individual farmers for the raising of grain crops._ Large tracts of land belonging to Arab absentees have also been leased to Jewish settlers, old and new, for the raising of vegetables. In the south alone, 15,000 dunams of vineyards and fruit trees have been leased to co-operative settlements; a similar area has been rented...This has saved the Jewish Agency and the government millions of dollars. Abandoned Arab dwellings in towns have also not remained empty. By the end of July 1948, 170,000 people, notably new immigrants and ex-soldiers, in addition to about 40,000 former tenants...have been housed in premises under the custodian’s control; and 7,000 shops, workshops, and stores were sublet to new arrivals. The existence of these Arab houses - vacant and ready for occupation - has to a large extent, solved the greatest immediate problem which faced the Israeli authorities in the absorption of immigrants. [details come from Joseph Schechtman’s book, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York, 1952) pp.95-96, 100-101, reprinted in Flapan’s book pp107-8.]

What is Jewish law, *icetealemonplease?*

George B Yes..but more like the final solution.

George B I hope the one state solution will result in the democratic destruction of this awful regime.

Gaza could have been a shrine of Palestinians… the blockade came when it was clear the ships were bringing weapons and Hamas took over the politics and killed fatah from the place. They wanted war and got tackled with a blockade

@@Gbbb239 I do not know whether you have ever been in the Gaza strip. I have been there several times. Even before the blockade because of Hamas, Israel set all the rules, bombed and bulldozed complete neighborhoods. And when the settlements were still there they blossomed because they took all of the water and divided the strip in 3 parts. Projects supported by international donors, including the airport were leveled by Israel. And even when Hamas changed their attitude towards Israel, Israel made sure peace would not get a chance. Going in and out the strip is up to the Israeli secret services. I can go on and on. What actually surprised me that nearly all people I talked to and worked with in the Gaza strip only wanted one thing: peace. I am not sure I would have been that brave if I would have been in their position.

Germany did it.

Casually advocating ethnocide

Veryintelligent

As an Israeli, wtf

That's a joke

Until the desappairance of the human race, Israeli and Palestinians will fight. The point is, to give up a narror minded, riligios fiction of choseness. There is not a human idolatry of a God fiction, that will save us.

I thought it was the YPG learning from the Israelis (how to resist Arabization and Islamization while being surrounded by enemies).

@Mike Hulks More Palestinians are being killed by Israel, than Israelis being killed by Hamas. The Killing of Israeli civilians, including death from Hamas rockets, don't happen that often, just as killings of Palestinian civilians. 11,000 Palestinians can pass as a Genocide, just as the Halabja Chemical Massacre that murdered 5,000 Kurds, and the Srebrenica Massacre that murdered 8,000 Bosniaks, are all genocide. Yeah, IsraHell is committing genocide, a slower one indeed.

They are also Christians in the holy land

After Gaza, Israel can not allow a state that wants Israel gone along their whole side of the Jewish state. That leaves Israel with only a 9 mile wide country, greatly putting it at risk.

Shure not a 2 state solution. But a one state, YES

redrobiin you are from which countery

The problem is that Jews and Palestinians are kinda homogeneously distribuited along the territory, so dividing it without ethnic cleansing or having a 15/20% Palestinian/Jewish minority in either of the two states (which in my opinion, would be like having two bi-national states) is impossible. Also, they both make about half of the population of a city that again both claim as their capital, furthering complicating the implementation of two states, since Israel would never accept dividing Jerusalem.

They split in two, both sides committed heinous acts of ethnic cleansing, then they had two major wars, one of them split in two again, and after that they spent decades pointing nukes at each other. I'm not really sure partition is the example to follow.

I request Israel and he's Jewish people to help and develop the Palestinian city's in the Westbank in the same manner as the settlements. Peace for brotherhood. Help for Peace. It is mentioned in the Thora :Let the stranger live in the midst of you, like you owne human. So why the religios Settler do not fallow Thora, wy the don't fallow Hashem? The will be punished by Him.

Do you know that the Mandate's mission was to create a Jewish homeland. Read the Charter. The British took 77% of the Mandate illegally, and gave it to the Hashemites to become trans-Jordan. Then, they offered 80% of the land in 1937, the Peel Commission, to the Arabs, and left a small corner for the Jews. The Arabs said no! !,In 1947, the UN partition plan offered the Arabs 45% of the land, they were offered the land that by population the Arabs lived in. They also were offered the Jordan Valley, the best agricultural soil in the land. The Jews were offered the Negev desert (60% of Israel) and no infustructure in their lands. The Arabs said no, and rather than try to communicate any changes they might have wanted, they just said, No, and then attacked with 5 armies at one day old Israel. Please don't talk about fairness, the Arabs had 5 separate offers of land for peace. They want Israel gone, not a separate Palestinian state.

@@shainazion4073 Of course they said NO, no to occupation, they were already there.. why would they accept anything. 80%, the Jordan valley or whatever else the British "offered" them. The fact is they were under occupation, and if they had agreed in 1937 the result would have been no different than today. The offers meant nothing and agree or not the result was never going to favour them. Giving up their land for peace is a threat, Give it up or have it taken. They have nether, at the moment

Two

future millionaire sounds nice until y’all blow up buses and malls

And?

That's not the premise at all. One state solution is one based on equal rights with no one trying to eliminate anyone. Doesn't require crushing anyone by military force. Just a love of justice.

Haha funny that is. I would suggest u stay away from such situations u know nth about . The reason Jordan's population is 75% of Palestinian origins is because of the people Israel expelled in 1948 so rlly it's all Israel's fault.

@@jamilabidrabbu1198 bullshit

​@@jamilabidrabbu1198 Israel is 80% Jewish today because Arab countries expelled their Jews after 1948.

@@drkarmakid exactly. They will not acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from Arab lands. 850,000 Jews were ethnically cleansed. Thank God for Israel ✌🇮🇱💙🤝