@@appa609 The germans designed a jet fighter aircraft which was used near the end of the war. Also there were rockets used by aircraft, but they just randomly fired in the direction of launch and didn’t have any tracking capabilities.
@@appa609 yes the Germans were also the first to use jet fighters, for example the Me 262 a Jet Fighter twin engine, also the Germans used rockets like the V1 and V2 tough they weren't as accurate and had no Tracker, the most "Tracker" like thing you can get is the Fritz X Bomb wich was a "Smart Bomb" you could do small flight adjustments to from the dropper itself
As a former US Naval Officer, I am really enjoying the heck out of these fantasy battles! Keep up the great work here Cap! As for realism: Let's just say, they are fun and exciting to watch;) I only whish when I was serving, we had computer power like today to flesh out all possible battle scenarios we could dream up so we could learn and improve from.
I told the Deck Bos'n of the Stennis at the time I was in, why don't we Drill (GQ) the 'Sum of all Fears' idea? We did!! lol it was EPIC!! I was assigned to 7 Alpha needless to say, I played part in a mass casualties. What a time that was. Now Im asking.. where did the time go?! o.0
@@yeoldesaltydog7415 I was on CVN 65 we hosted CAW3 and carriers can accommodate a maximum of 130 F/A-18 Hornets[37] or 85-90 aircraft of different types, but current numbers are typically 64 aircraft he always makes the airpower WAY under what they carry.
Back in 2005 - we were playing around using Dangerous Waters for exploring tactics in the RN. I think COLD WATERS is on Steam and its good fun to play with.
@@simking01 It’s also unrealistic and a sense that returning aircraft would be reloaded and re-launched for an attack on the Russian fleet. And I think it’s interesting that they chose the FAA teens for ship attack and the F 35’s for air defense when in real life it would be opposite.
Speaking as a United States veteran who still wears the uniform, I have *zero* problem with Grim Reapers wargaming against the U.S. carrier group. Honestly, the fact that so few scenarios can successfully neutralize the U.S. carrier group (the WW2 battleship supergroup was one of the most fascinating Grim Reapers did to date) ought to be encouraging, versus discouraging. Of course, the game plays out as the AI dictates, so it's not a perfect sandtable exercise. But it's still interesting viewing. I admit I am surprised people are unhappy with the various iterations? Again, most of the time the group wins. And it's not like any potential real-world adversaries aren't doing these kinds of sandtable exercises already. Grim Reapers isn't giving away any secrets. Keep up the good work, Grim Reapers! Been enjoying your channel.
Yeah I don't understand why people would even be offended... It's a simulation and not a very good one at that. The simulated war scenarios the real US has done against high end threats like china have resulted in massive losses. People don't seem to realize that stuff like this is necessary.
Honestly... it's pride...pure and simple. F35 cost billions of dollars...and can get shot down, crash, ect..what a waste of money...A carrier battle group is around a Trillion...it better flipping never sink or it's a waste of money!...These are the same folks who will spend a thousand dollars on spinning hub caps but complain that the oil change costs $100.
US Marine Vet and feel the same. 🇺🇸 We need war games to gain experience and knowledge where we need improvement. They can be polished and sharp marching in parades and drilling but can they fight. 🇺🇸
Anyone else have a feeling they need to update this sim after Ukraine war. These simulations based on stat sheets just can not capture how far behind Russia really is on the technology side
Yes, russia is always being shown better than they are, especially their supposedly high tech SAMs. While they have failed several times already. Ukraine would have killed another frigate now too "Makarov".
Every time the US and Russian fleets face off, it is absolutely terrifying and fascinating. Also, I think the best thing about these videos is Cap's narration, hands down.
The game didn't do justice to the F35 lol, even in this close combat I'm sure F35 would do better than what's being shown here, with it's modern warfare & radar capabilities. No way they would be picked out of the sky like it was shown here. Also the training US pilots get is the best, much better & intensive than russian.
I'm confused. You said 2 of the US ships have 400 missiles. The ran out of missiles before firing a quarter of that. Then the Russian ship who supposedly have far fewer missiles continue to output missiles through out.
This has been mentioned before but I think it deserves more attention. Having AI controlled ships without at least some basic naval maneuvers to avoid incoming ordinance would make all of these scenarios more realistic. Sailing directly through each other’s fleet is 1600s naval doctrine. I know this is a limitation of DCS but it just doesn’t make sense. That and AI aircraft not able to reload and repeat their assigned task essentially neuters an aircraft carrier. Again, AI issue. Maybe it’s time for the US to requisition one of the Iowa class museum ships to protect the carrier group. :)
I served on the USS Abraham Lincoln(Aircraft Carrier) and these F-35s are not visible to the ship radars of other Navy ships, this DCS must have limitations when compared to its IRL counterpart.
I absolutely love these fleet vs fleet! Next time put all the carriers in the world on the board, then team leaders pick their ships for their team and go head to head
You mean carrier vs. carrier knife fight? That's basicly Kuznetsov (and its Chinese copy) slaugtering everything else, because they actually have weapons that can hurt ship-size targets (as seen in this vid). Other carriers are just floating plane hangars with a few peashooters. Now if its with planes - that's different.
One thing, DCS don't have new//modern weapon systems (among other things on Russian side) all what we have here is from 70's/80's/90's. + the AI is dumb as f* in everything.. Yes, it's a lot of fun, but is this all "accurate" !? Noooop
Fun fact: soviet navy gunners were trained to shoot down ANTI-SHIP MISSILEs with their AK-130s ED really has to buff the RNG on Russian guns, they really do.
All ships technically have DP main guns, but realistically you're not going to hit anything HMS Avenger was thought for a while to have hit an Exocet with her 4.5" gun but it seems likely that it didn't actually happen.
It's because they lost their awacs so they had to rely on their own radars, so they had limited accuracy because of the curvature of the Earth interfering with it, as well as because of all ECM in the field.
@@beng7844 Lol, the AK-130s are the big 130(?)mm guns on the front of the ship - you are unlikely to be able to lift one. However during the falklands war in "bomb alley" in St Carolos water literally any machine gun/rifle anything that would shoot was given out and shot at the attacking aircraft - there are some spectacular photos.
I've seen too many of these simulations where overwhelmingly the US missles are inferior to the Russians and Chinese. Sometimes it's subtle and believeable, other times it is like this and clearly biased. I'll admit the Russians and Chinese do have plenty of good technology, but when a completely non-stealth 90's tech Mig dodges multiple missles while the F-35s go down with a sneeze it just gets to be silly.
cant wait for somone to make a mod with the new russian frigate with hypersonic missile so GR can do this again. maybe even swap out those age old grandpa AK-630 for the modern kashtan family for more BRRRRT in the end. An amazing and unexpected result, cheers~!!
I feel that it's kind of weird that the jets don't rearm and take-off again. also the F-35 don't go in with stealth, which also could hurt them in their survivability.
It's very weird, but that's a limit in the game. AI jets apparently don't refuel and rearm and resume mission. And since that's kind of the central philosophy of US carrier tactics, the results we see in a DCS simulation are not going to be anywhere close to what would take place in reality. And the F-35s are kind of a weird situation. If you want to fly them stealthy, you can only carry what will fit in their internal missile bays...which cuts your offensive capability with them down to about a quarter, if I remember correctly (3 wing pylons per side plus the internal bay). So, you go in stealthy but unable to shoot much, or you go in armed to the teeth and guns blazing, because the moment you mount those wing pylons (which, apparently, are coded as part of the mod, from what Cap said at the start of the video), you've compromised your stealth advantage. If you're stuck with the pylons anyway, you just as well use them to turn each bird into a missile truck. The dumb thing was, the AI wasn't smart enough to stay out of SAM range of the Russian ships...
@@override367 the F-18s were equipped with antiship missiles. The AI didn't even have them defend themselves from air attacks because they were set to be on antiship missions so a bunch of them just let themselves get shot down. Kinda ridiculous, but what can you do?
Watching this is frustrating in that it makes me wonder...why the hell don't we have a heavier gun comparable to their 30mm gatling gun for close quarter ship to ship combat? And how the heck can they not design a multi-billion dollar nuclear carrier to have a greater defense against such a weapon as a 30mm gatling gun?
I dunno man, these carrier vids keep racking up the views and they seem to do about twice as good as the clickbait dogfights. No idea whether other people watch / listen through the whole thing, though. If you start feeling too dirty or bored, how about trying out different ways of defeating a soviet tank rush (frontline fighters and air defenses included)? That might put a little bit of pressure on ED to improve combined arms. I'd love to see the RTS side of it worked on (or at least not crash the game) and it would be great for your missions and campaigns, too. I know you have a million other things in the pipeline already but throwing it out there anyway.
The entertainment quality and quantity of these exercises are pretty impressive. While not exactly realistic, its SO much fun to see! Keep up the great work!!!
As an American I can’t understand why people would be upset. First, it’s just a game. Second not being cocky, but generally U.S. force are some of the better units out there, therefore is fun to seem them tested.
I get upset when the digital avatars wearing my sports team’s virtual uniforms lose a game, so of course I get upset when virtual Joe, Jessica, and Jimmy burn to ☠️
how can the Kuznetsov has full 24 fighters and Nimitz only brings 32 + 2 fighters instead of 44 fighters + 4 Growlers? Not to mention the Russian carrier group using AEW KA-31 helicopter not the Ilyushin/Antonov for AWACS unit. Also the range is ridiculous, it started within the Russian missile range. Realistically both will send their fighter to venture out long before it entering missile range.
@@bekeneel yes they sunk 1 moskva cruisers,,, theres only 3 build and 1 gone now 2 left, Ukrainians sunk 1cruisers, some landing ships and boats only. Not more for noe
The pilots aren't great in these fights, have you considered upping their AI to "expert"? The f-35's didn't fight well and the Bogs didn't even fire their harpoons, and that's kinda the whole attack plan of the american fleet.
They put external pylons on the F35s for some insane crazy reason. Absolute stupidity I guess. It made them easy targets for radar-guided missiles and negated most of their stealth capability. On top of that, the F-35s did not even fire their missiles from stand-off ranges. Maybe the worst plan you could devise.
Also the F-18 should not have launched till they had air superiority or taken off and fly north then turn and fire. they could also have rearmed and launched again. the air to air stuff in these is always kinda boring.
@@calmterror this is how an idiot would fight with a US carrier group. I like these videos, for entertainment, but the tactician in me is screaming at how badly Executed the battle plan was
I live near a place where F-35s fly regularly. One thing you don't realize about them from videos online is just how freaking loud they are. I used to live where 15s and 16s flew every day; The 35s are WAY louder.
As an American Naval Veteran, it seems like the American Fleet has been somewhat disarmed. We would be hitting with far more ordinance than is displayed here. I do enjoy your videos however. Thank you for sharing.
This is what I wanted and what I needed. Thanks Cap. P/s: I would like ED to add in MiG-29Ks and 2000s tech for the Russians, but still, a great sight to behold.
They are constantly upgrading Su34 ingame. The moment Russian mod said kh35u is operational on Su34 they added it in game. At best we can get AI planes but no modules.
I’d be interested to see a NATO carrier group vs the so called Russian/ Chinese ‘Carrier Killer’ hypersonic ballistic missiles. Everyone in the press seems to think they signal the end of carriers but the ships must be able to put up some defence with SAM’s.
for air planes within 35nm, there is no stealth plane in this range even F35 or F22, as for new AESA radars this range is extended to at least 50nm, and for air defenses that uses different radar frequencies the range maybe even higher
@@ahmadalastal5303 Not true. Some Typhoon pilots states, and Ill paraphrase.."Even though I can see him (the F22) through my canopy I couldnt put a weapons system on it."
100%. These videos are entertaining to a point but this employment of the F35 misses the point. + It's the Black Sea. Whole thing gives me the twitches.
Cap: "Let's check in with our air battle. Here we have an f35, here an f35. How are you doing Simba?" Simba: "Oh I'm airborne" That lightning outrunning the missle had me cheering. Watching the POWA of that Pratt & Whitney F135 push that lightning to the stratosphere, gave me goosebumps. Nothing like a good tight race for life and death. Imagine if the Air Force put two of those in the back of a f15. Cap: ".....................stupid flanker"
Its amazing to see the variety between aircraft on the US side. with F35 on A/A and F-18 on Anti ship. it seems realistic to me but also just amazing. PHENOMENAL work Supercap and Simba. !!!!
@@willwozniak2826 Irl F35’s would not carry weapons on the exterior pylons. Also F35’s can’t carry harpoons, so the Hornets are a necessity for the Carrier group to even participate in this fight.
@@willwozniak2826 not for a while. They will only be putting one F-35 squadron and only after the carrier has been modified to operate them during their scheduled repair and refit. The first couple of the new Ford class carriers will not be able to operate the F-35.
I'm probably sounding stupid here since the f-35s are a mod, but isn't the main reason why they're being tracked by all the Russian radars because they're storing the additional payloads externally - and if Cap had limited the f-35 payloads to internal only, their stealth would work as relatively intended?
Russian and US carrier fleets are setup and designed very differently with different purposes and merthods. This sim is fun, but would never happen in real life.
As an American I want to say thank you. This was great fun and I will have to re-watch this and take notes. I think both sides expended their ordnance too early and out of range. The Americans first target should have been the RUSSIAN AWACS. Second, US navy ships carry drones for target practice. They could fire the drones in one direction so the air winds could come in the other direction (IRAQ 1990-1991) THIS IS NOT A CHESS GAME, IT'S MORE LIKE POKER !!!
The 3D radar can probably F 35 at about 15 to 30 miles but acquiring the lock is a whole Nother scenario if it’s showing it’s belly or side or back at about 20 miles you can probably get a lock
hey dumbass, the 35's weren't in stealth mode they all had undercarriage missiles on them which would make their stealth completely 0. You're only in stealth mode when you carry weapons internally but they chose to carry extra weapons all over their wing pylons and their belly which means they'd be tracked by radar very far just like any other plane. Secondly, missiles have both radar and IR. Even though the radar doesn't get a locking solution it can still be fired in the general area of where the track is spotted and then IR takes over and will kill the plane after locking on its IR signature
"What is going on?" "it's now a CWIS battle" .....while completely ignoring that the forward American destroyers finally had a firing solution for their aft guns, as did the lead Russian ship. you can literally see the guns firing..
I'm a navy vet that served on the uss cowpens cg 63. When we encountered a Russian cruiser it was a floating tetanus shot, love these videos...add a modernized Iowa class to the mix next time.
Cold War cruiser veteran and I agree. Every encounter we had with the Russian fleet was a scene of heavy black stack smoke and rust… one even had a main deck fire 🔥 being put out by a bucket brigade! We offered assistance by radio. No reply…
F-18's aren't being replaced by F-35's, they're simply being added as just another wing group. Navy's aircraft carrier-based air wings will than consist of a mix of F-35C, F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, EA-18G Growlers electronic attack aircraft, E-2D Hawkeye battle management and control aircraft, MH-60R/S helicopters and Carrier Onboard Delivery logistics aircraft such as the emerging Navy Osprey tiltrotor aircraft variant.
Thanks so much for the improved cinematography (I have to say again). Its so much more enjoyable to watch than previously when we are always in the map screen~
I think if two mad admirals ever decided to waste their carrier fleets, no matter how insane they are they would engage eachother on a parallel course. Even during Jutland with 1.5% accurucy they didn't run at eachother like that. That is more of Ironclad era tactics, not quite WW2.
Yes, crazy. A US carrier group would never sail into range of those weapons as long as it had aircraft which could fire at standoff ranges. Anyone who has played Harpoon or CMANO knows this.
See, now this is why I think a refit US Battleship like the Mighty Mo. would still be an asset. Stay in the rear by the Carrier, maybe even slightly behind it. When the missiles run out speed up and advance with long range massive guns. I'm no expert, just my layman opinion.
characteristics (1984)Complement1,851 officers and enlistedSensors and processing systems AN/SPS-49 Air Search Radar AN/SPS-67 Surface Search Radar AN/SPQ-9 Surface Search / Gun Fire Control Radar Electronic warfare & decoys AN/SLQ-32 AN/SLQ-25 Nixie Decoy System 8 × Mark 36 SRBOC Super Rapid Bloom Rocket Launchers Armament 9 × 16 in (406 mm)/50 cal Mark 7 guns 12 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 cal Mark 12 guns 32 × BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles 16 × RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles 4 × 20 mm/76 cal Phalanx CIWS. Personally I would think some sm2 would be better then the tomahawks but I wish someone would design this model soooooo bad.
Please excuse my ignorance. Isn’t it F-35 is a stealth aircraft? Why would you put it to dog fight? My understanding is F-35 will detect and distribute the coordinates of valuable targets and fire a few missiles to enemy raiders. Other units will fire their guided missiles to the coordinates and work as a team. Also, thanks for providing such great clip. Great job 👏🏻
In the Harpoon game the most effective attack against the Russians is a mixture of Harpoons and HARMs, they can't switch off the radars to defeat the HARMs and the HARMs degrade the radar coverage to give the Harpoons a chance to get through ,but it's still a hard task. Does DCS have HARMs modelled?
They have a video showcasing TALDs to suck up ordinance as part of a strike against a fictitious target in Krasnodar. That was somewhat reminiscent of what was possible in Harpoon to overwhelm an unrealistically heavy Soviet raider group.
ALSO, love to see a Russian battlegroup attack a US Naval base. It would be great to see Russian attacking San Diego, or China recreating Pearl Harbor attacks. Im sure that would take some wizardry. These videos are fun for sure.
I don't think Simba should have unlimited respawns, it would be extremely unsatisfying for everyone if the course of a close battle would be changed just because one of the sides has an infinite supply of a fully-loaded plane.
In reality a US carrier has far more than 32 aircraft, so this would not have been close at all. Plus, they wasted the stealth nature of the F35s by putting pylons on them for some crazy stupid reason. The F18s would have fired Harpoons from standoff ranges, none would have been shot down and they would have landed and reloaded. Nothing about this was realistic.
@@mandoreforger6999 And you think the Russian military and equipment is modelled accurately? A US carrier may have more aircraft but Russian missiles are also far more smart than they are modelled in DCS. In the end, if you want a "realistic" simulation, these fun videos are not for you.
I got recently introduced to the DCS, first I watched dog fights and now I came across these war games, man these are fantastic. I’m loving these games, I always wondered how the naval battles happen with these advanced machines, now I can’t stop watching these. Huge thanks to you Grim for all the efforts. Keep up the good work 👏👏👏. Please don’t stop making these. Started following you on twitch, will stop by there 👍. I’m eagerly waiting for the day to get my hands on DCS.
@Grim Reaper, while the F35 stealth is quite good, you are correct, close to those radars they can be detected. They only need to get a little closer then non stealth jets. Cut 1-2 seconds off response time for missiles increases hits a lot I would expect.
The F 35 can guide those SM twos. Also he wouldn't be hanging around to get a dog fights with the sukois. They are datalink. They be loving and rims that range. Contract 256 targets at once you can see everything on the battlefield and share that with the carrier group.
I guess my only real question is, being only up to the predictions parts of the video is only 32 aircraft on the U.S. Carrier? I know that Russian, Chinese and Indian carrier carry far fewer aircraft then then a U.S. carrier, and U.S. carrier can care up to 70 to 90 aircraft. What the reduction done for balance or due to limits of the simulation software?
@@HMSNeptun No, Hornets made it back and then sat. Then there is the "Hornets can't defend themselves" bit. And the F-35s stuck with pylons. Pretty bs, actually.
This was so much fun! Better than Hollywood. Next time, have the Russian Carrier group hold off on their firing their load until the Americans start to fire their anti-ship weapons. Let the air war ensue then the big wait, then the chaos of all of those anti-ship and SM2s happen at once.
The programmers at DCS needs to make submarines FUNCTIONAL. What is the point of having them in the carrier group, if they can't do anything? Aside from using torpedos against ships, they can use Harpoon missiles against ships, and it gives ASW ships something to worry about/do.
I don’t know why anyone is getting upset over u attacking a us carrier group, 1 it’s just a game, and 2 it’s quite entertaining to see how the carrier group handles it besides it’s not like they have to watch it
@@subjectc7505 also those events were influenced but dumb leaders and media the country and military is one of the best just our generals during these events were/are a bunch of idiots
CAP for anyone that does not like your videos, they can either provide constructive criticism or they can stop watching what they do not like. Either way, as a well-renown DCS World enthusiast would have said "It is a them problem!" Keep having fun. Thank you.
The number of SM’s fired would be dependent on many things. Engagement doctrine of each ship, datalink target coordination and other factors do not appear to be modeled at all. Engagements in DCS are a free for all because multiple weapons from multiple ships are firing on single targets. Ships do not maneuver to unmask weapons, etc. This is obviously not real world and disappointing to see. I was on destroyers and cruisers. Only time I ever saw another ship while in formation was on surface radar or datalink. Miles and miles of separation between each. As we saw, one Aegis DDG is more than capable of defending the fleet against the cruise missiles from a Kirov, Moskva and Slava. But very Aegis ship fired on them… this would not occur in Aegis unless the CO’s overrode combat system doctrine.
The only thing u missed I think, is that you used normal hornets for the US anti-shipping while in the real world, the US Navy just uses super hornets. I dont know if it would have made a diffrence but thats something I noticed. Also now that I think about it, I dont know if its availible in DCS but US carrier do have LRASM anti ship missles for the Super hornets. Maybe you could see if those are a option for a next time. And the third thought that I had, was that the Russian Navy Air Force indeed does not use anti ship missles on the SU-33 so u were correct with that. Thank you for the amazing video :) Maybe you can try a joint chinese/russian navy against the us carrier strike group: You could use the same us group but with the russian ones, replace the battlecruiser and the destroyers with a single chinese type 55 cruiser and two times chinese type 052c destroyers. You could use both a chinese and a russian carrier also to look if it would beat the US CSG. If you wanted to make it even more interesting, give the US a (small) carrier, America class with A/A F 35B, to make it even. Thank again for the amazing vids XD PS Excuse my grammar, english isnt my first language.
Our naval doctrine will never face a Russian, Chinese or a mixed Carrier group with just one Carrier. In a real war scenario they will be at least 2 U.S. Carrier groups.
I would love to see this one more time with two Iowa Class in support of the American Carrier Group. It would be interesting to see what might happen if it goes to guns.
Listen ‘ I would like to see the Battle between the F-14’s bBackfire Bombers done again, this time use the dooms day load on the Tomcats with Six that’s 144 AIM-54 that travel at MACH 5 for two squadrons hold the third Squadron back as a thrift wave , and you’ll see the difference in planning to meet the Attack ‘ great channel keep up the good work 👍
Sooo... all I have to do to have this experience is buy the game, the jets, and a HOTAS. Then spend two years practicing and unlearning all the bad habits I picked up from HAWX and Ace Combat. Seems straightforward enough.
Very very good, on edge on seat for ages only gripe i got, you just cannot keep having Simba coming back to life again and again, if you do that, then you gotta keep putting the Russian planes back in to even it up best vid yet,well done
Yamato an Musashi both sank due to the same design flaw, the lower section of the Hull was Riveted to the armor belt. That seam came apart when hit by torpedoes. Musashi was missing a huge section of her hull where the rivets came apart. They couldn't weld the armor belt to the other section because her belt armor was too thick. Irony is they never really thought about Torpedo hits on that seam when they designed her because Air launched torpedoes were not a major consideration when she was laid down. Still an amazing bit of engineering.
dcs didn't care to make outdated P-500 and P-700 to behave even nearly like real ones, hypersonic will behave the same way by running on a single vector waiting to be destroyed by some AIM9
@@mandoreforger6999 why do u think tho? I could say the same but about usa wapons fot example m120c amraam . We never seen hits by aim120c in real life . Or sm2 . Pls stop with fkn us propaganda .
@@minicheff2885 clown, not even the Russians claim it is operational. You are a joke, and so are people like you. The tests that they have announced have stated that it was fired at a stationary ground target. You seem to be the one trying to spread false information.
@@minicheff2885 SM2 has been used in combat multiple times. It was used to disable an Iranian frigate over 30 years ago. It seems you just make up whatever propaganda you like. Crazy…
lol I'm pretty sure the SA-15's weren't shooting the carrier. They were shooting the planes on the deck. The "brand new coding" is just not checking if the SA-15 should actually be able to see the plane it's targeting
Hey. I noticed that if you use HARM or Mar-1 Anti radiation missiles the ships didn't react and tried to shoot them down. Something to try perhaps to sink a carrier group. You need about 4 or 5 HARMs to sink an Arleigh Burke...
I love these videos. I would like to see a round 3 US vs Russia where they start further away so the us can bring more than one volley of harpoons, at this distance the aircraft were smothered by grumbles when they left the carrier. Still so much fun to watch!
100% agree. Both groups would have AEW aircraft, so this fight would have started at 300nm+. For some crazy reason they put external pylons on the F35s. This negated the stealth by a large amount, allowing the F35s to be shot down. You would have had this open with an air battle at long ranges between clean wing F35s getting a massive jump on the Russian aircraft, probably killing 75% before the Russians had a radar signature to shoot at. It would be a near wipeout. Then you would have F-18s launching 100+ Harpoons from standoff ranges, turning around and reloading and doing it again. A carrier likely has an inventory of well over 100 Harpoons (maybe 200). I think GR know this is how such a battle would play out, and it would be a totally lopsided outcome, so this version was more entertaining. It is maddening to someone who understands carrier strategy.
@@kresnik_ss you think a nuclear war is the most realistic outcome? Hahaha, then why would Russia even build carrier groups if that is the plan all along? People who think like you make me laugh a lot😂😂😂👍🏻
@@kresnik_ss you do realize that US carrier groups travel with 2 fast attack submarines, correct? Most likely at least one would be a Virginia class submarine which would be somewhat stealthier than the best Russian subs. They have nuclear weapons too… Plus, what do you think the range on such a weapon is? Have you though through the practicality of this? There is a Russian carrier group nearby as well. You think a nuclear explosion at the ranges we are discussing makes any sense? Did you think any of this through?
@@kresnik_ss this has little to do with “MERICA” (but this is what neophytes always counter with). It has to do with carrier fleet defense strategy. You would never close to such distances without an air battle with fighter sweeps, and just by the numbers, it would be hard for a Russian carrier to win that fight. Even if they traded planes one-to-one…it would be an 80% BVR fight, which means if you add stealth aircraft into the mix, they can pass targeted data to F-18s who can spam AIM-120s without using their radar. The Russian pilots would know a cloud of missiles is coming their way, but will not have a radar signature to shoot at. It would be terrifying. This is just how the tech works, and I think GR gamed that scenario out and it would be a wipeout. That was the whole point.
