Using the Cluch to Shift your Dirt Bike?? 

I mean that is not gonna happen too many times before you round off the dogs but yeah they are pretty tough

@@martinskamla6789 you clearly don't know how a dirt bike gearbox works!

@@SSsacas 😂 Oh don’t I ? On What are you judging that ? I rebuild more engines than you’ve seen ;)

@@martinskamla6789 engines maybe... What about gearboxes?

@@SSsacas ;) a motorcycle engine and gearbox are one unit 😂 except on harleys..... Yes obv that includes gearboxes ..... so go on based on What do you think i don’t know how a motorcycle gearbox works

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I've never not used the clutch, it's fun and I'd rather not rebuild my transmission

Yeah I also like the feeling of knowing that my transmission isn’t going to break as easily if I use the clutch..... hmmm

Mr. StealYourGrill 1 yeah, exactly. Only time you don’t use a clutch is when your in the air from a jump. Even then, just use the clutch

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I watched that video about 2 weeks ago and I completely agree with your conclusions.

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He rides two stroke, can't really talk about it. Engine breaking is nice and all but it really doesn't help to much, I've actually just recently the last few months stop using it on down hills or certain rocky sections, It actually makes the my bike being a 4stroke, handle so much better through rocky down hills, and allows me to be faster through the tough sections with so much less effort. I stopped using it all together in turns also because when you use your engine break it makes your bike want to keep going straight and blow through turns, when you hold the clutch it really allows you to manipulate the rear end so much better and using the rear break to do fine adjustment with a quick slide or so.

Try not to engine break with 2 strokes. Fuel lubricates the crank bearings and piston and rid bearings. Engine breaking makes high rpm with zero lubrication. As for 4 strokes no problem at all. Just dont over rev it and float the valves.

dont engine brake on 2 strokes, and go for your life on 4 strokes. to sum it up a 2 strokes lube is in the fuel, when you engine brake the rear wheel is driving the engine to a high rpm, but the carby is still only at idle, meaning that the engine it running at a high rpm without lube, a 4 stroke doesn't have this problem.

that's why some 2 stroke engines was designed with autolube, so doesn't really matter even you have zero fuel, because the lubricant wasn't mixed with the petrol but injected directly into intake manifold

Puckchew .Pakciu yes there is oil injection but the oil inje tion pump works kinda like a little carburetor activated by a extra throttle cable. So more oil is pumped at wide open throttle then at throttle off position. So high at rpm oil is still not being pumped in as much as with the throttle open. Almost every 2 cycle snowmobile since 1978 use this system. When riding fast across lakes and slowing down its recomended to blip the throttle a few times to get the fuel and oil into the engine to prevent a dry out. While working in the small engine repair industry years back i fixed alot of blown up sleds

Yeah I feel clutchless downs are for racers who are coming into corners hot and slam down through a couple gears to use the engine to brake too. I only clutch down... and that’s to rev match

"only 9 years old" and he was probably doing it wrong. i had a drz400 for 7 years and only used the clutch for certain things. transition was fine, you just have to rev match, an art that only good riders can do. any modern bike done with proper maintenance will never have an issue. for e.g. my new 2016 ktm 450sxf has no sign of wear on the tranny and i have done constant clutchless shifts in pro 450 class motocross

in the 80's i ride clutchless on daily basis, to go to school and everything

Omar Rahman that's good

He did mention near the beginning talking about his buddy at this course he was at "The clutch is mainly to control the power torque" :P Referring to your example ^^

you get arm pump road racing?

dont do it under full rpm, rev match and its fine

You can't rev match while not using clutch

i think he did mean to tickle it, you know just like shifting those nonsynchro double declutch necessary prime mover (but without stepping on to that clutch pedal} ;)

but maicos are huge and lovely

clutching only healthy to the drive chain i guess, but will shift the burden to brake shoes and pads

dirtbikes are designed to take alot of abuse, no clutch while upshift is actually doable but you must time it by feeling the sudden engine breaking when closing the throttle, that being said i dont use those techniques ride how you ride comfortable and i dont suggest using those techniques for daily commute.. you'll just end up working alot on your bike.

Using clutch will never damage the transmission, not using the clutch can. Better safe than sorry.

Not sure where the constant mesh idea comes from. A motorcycle transmission is a bunch of spur gears (straight cut) and have no syncromesh in them. If you don't release the tension in the gears they will not mesh up properly and eventually you will break off teeth. Shifting up with out the clutch is easier to master. Roll back on the gas and pop the shifter up. Don't jam it up. If the revs are too high you will feel resistance don't force it. Used to shift my old XR650L this way. Down shifting with out the clutch involves rev matching and is a tougher scarier skill to master. When down shifting you need to blip the throttle so as to have the gears loosen up and match the engine revs. Don't just stomp it down as suggested here. I tried it a couple times but felt replacing a transmission wasn't worth the split second it took to use the clutch. My new KTM 690 takes care of everything for you for clutchless shifting. Look up Quickshit+. Again just stomping the shifter down a gear is risky. Besides unless you are racing and 10ths or 100ths of a second count why risk it?

Sheep Dog could not have put it better myself, I can’t see the people advocating that us weekend warriors use no clutch chipping in to pay for a transmission rebuild if/when the transmission fails.

Dirt bikes are made to withstand transmission without clutch although it’s still good to do. With a dual sport I would use clutch, Doesn’t hurt it and it’s not difficult, why not just use the clutch

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yep im exactly the same on a 2016 ktm 450sxf. in a race the few seconds matter hey

Same here. Wide open gear changes need the clutch to release pressure. Mostly it's 3rd to 4th on a track on a 450. Downshift, I tend to be gentle on corner approach and click down one, sometimes not touching the clutch. Gear goes in easily. Trail riding, yes, one can shift up without clutch but I am not used to it.

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If it was that bad for your tranny racers wouldn't risk breaking it in the middle of a race

@@hardtailfails if it is better to not use the clutch why does it exist. Feathering the clutch and shifting

@@jacobhoogland8191 stopping and starting and I use it for changing multiple gears like downshifting twice there is a great video on RU-vid by motorcycle magazine also my brother has a 15 year old gas gas 300 that has around 700 hours on the bottom end and he never used the clutch

it pretty much is

Yeah i never use the clutch on upshift but always on down idk y.

yeah, sure something to think about is never ride a 4 cycle motox, the engine's just not in their right habitat 4 stroke is for those CVT twist n go moped

and if i may add, that dull sound off 4 cycle single thumper was not really annoying when in constant high rev ;)

Starting off must have been fun too, rev engine slam into gear and spin/fishtail away? :-D I guess you could start pushing and hop on while clicking into gear...

Phil Ward yes always had to push and go into gear ;)

then, it;s time to replace them mate that was the reason they didn't manufacture the bike only but also the spare parts spare parts, they're the parts but the spare ones, to replace the damage and worn ones

Puckchew .Pakciu I've replaced thousands of dollars in OEM parts on bikes. I'm just saying that I've seen damage from people doing this and I've fixed it and it's not cheep. When done carefully it's fine but I've seen people do this without ever caring about the bike and then wonder why it won't stay in gear

So basically you can use it like a semi-auto??

nitemunky76 can u still up shift when u are under full power

Kristjan Hočevar you can do it. But it's hard on your transmission. Ease off the throttle a smudge if you are clutchless shifting

and i come to think ...."do we need that kick starter too?" of course not .... sadly i don't have the video of my 1984 cr250r video, really good bike, no kick starter, no foot brake (the left hand lever is operating the rear wheel brake), so yeah, no active clutch lever, who needs it anyway

either bad luck or you were doing it wrong, i imagine on a 65 you were shifting at full throttle without clutch, thats bad

WeRideLikeThis No, I just don't think it's necessary to shift without the clutch, I've seen the pros down here is Aus do it and how much slower am I going to be because I used the clutch? No much

for real. maybe if you only want 50-100 hours out of the bikes trans it's okay. especially down shifting seems ignorant. but whatever. idc honestly.

On my Ktm 300 2014 six days manual it says use the clutch..

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HAHAHA thats something the vegas romaniac guy would upload

Dude thats exactly what I was thinking as soon as I saw your comment I busted out laughing. Thats the kind of shit that would happen to him

TheHumbleCouch yeah I saw a video where a mechanic was showing the damage that happens when you shift with out the clutch

So wrong. Get balls

The author stated that mechanics and pro's say it's safe, what are your qualifications? :-)

I do, and coming to a stop so you don't stall out... if your braking hard and the rpms are still high then you don't have too, its more if the rpms get to low that it will stall

CheetahCross My point is when you brake hard with the rear, until your wheel locks up and you skid and dont use the clutch, your rpm is basically 0. since the wheel and engine match speed. I never ridden on the track or so hard that i had to lock the rear up so i dont know if people use the clutch so it idles when you skid

I've always been using the clutch to shift up, just because the traction on the tracks i ride. But yes, when getting into at sharp turn i clutch, to not stall when i lock up the rear-end.

normally people will, but if you really into no clutch lever depressing, it doesn't really matter if the rear wheel locks up and bring the engine rpm to zero as long as you still have the momentum to wake the engine, that's it (a suggestion from me, like i typed on other comment, get rid of that clutch sling and connect the lever to your rear wheel brake, it's reaaaaaaalllyy fun)

Equalizer I do

Taco Pro ktms make the most power and have for that past 7+ years

Then there’s the Husaberg’s

I'm a honda person lol

yeah this guy is nuts. reminds me to ask the owner of the next bike if he did this or not. not buying it if he so. he acts like down shifting clutches is better than up.... insane man.

actually when downshifting without clutch you need to rev a little bit, just try to match engine;s rev and speed ....

Puckchew .Pakciu yup

Actually there is very to little no strain on the tranny when downshifting only because its connected to the speed of the rear wheel and notthe engine because it is at low rpms ive been doing clutchless down shifting and also proper braking by not using the clutch amd have gotten quite faster on a bike just take care of it and it will take care of you

Uglyboy FC it's a legitimate sport that can give you lots of confidence quickly. Plus you meet awesome people when riding

ramrodskip 518 ! Thank you sir

Tell him if your on the track or trail riding your not out getting into trouble n smoking weed with all the burnouts. Lol

Uglyboy FC your 18 .... hey wtf get a job n work your ass off n buy your own stuff. If your 18 you should be taking care of yourself. I can see buyin a bike for my 14 yr old daughter but at 18 she had better be workin or in school and working. Key word WORKING...

by it yourself just do it old boy will get over it