@@Scottishlandwarrior Well, the Viking ship'd be using sails(wind) for propulsion; the "modern" ones have their own motivating power. Making that the first "powered" ships were steam, the first spacers were chemical, even our "modern" ones still are, however the warp capables are at least "nuclear" type powered. That is why I have my choice as WWII not WWI as WWI still had steam power, the "first generation" self power; the WWII with diesel or gasoline being the "second" and late Korean to Vietnam as a switchover to nuclear as a "third". In Trek there'd be chemical sublight first, nuclear warp second and +/- matter third. Being that I cannot quite figger where zactly spore comes in there, I place it with the second which is where the diesel/gas in seagoing vessels are.
@@enstarfanensemble1092 In fairness, they were also cheap to produce, and required few crew. And a well-flown Miranda COULD survive. They're a lot tougher and more agile than you'd think.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 I mean, i can't disagree with you, but they're really dumpy looking. It's like getting a 1990 Toyota. Like yeah, its got a million miles on it and the paints peeling but she runs great and might last another million miles. Too bad she doesn't look as cool as the new cars on the road.
The Vikings where at their peak in the 1000s so a 900 year jump put them in the early 20th century......they’d get a shock pulling to Britain’s coast during that period when they would be confronted by a fleet of 50 battle ships and 200 destroyers 🤣
The way the Discovery crew looks in awe at these 32nd century starships and technology is the same way present day people would look at 23rd century starships and technology.
Not really, I doubt anyone would look in awe at Star Trek ships, they are really not that sophisticated, as you would expect ships to be in the real world 23rd and 24 centuries. The only ship here that has any good design is the Angelou Class rain-forest ship, and something similar that I could see mankind building in a few millennium, sooner probably.
@@shawntipton7398 You don't think modern day people would be in awe if they saw something as big as the Enterprise D floating above Manhattan? Something that is capable of traveling to different star systems in a matter of hours or days? Or how about teleportation or even food replicators? I definitely think the average modern day person would be mystified seeing any of those things.
We are still in the 21 century and still have 200 left to go to get to 23 century since 1 century is equal to 100 year . So we really haven't advanced far enough to make a Good Safe reusable Space Shuttle yet and haven't been advancing warp drive yet . And I'm only 57 years old and nothing else has changed for over 20 to 50 years ago in space crafts to go to the planet Mar and Planet Saturn 🪐 yet .
@@richa.s9912 It's because we haven't really been putting a focus on space travel. If there was some super rare element on Mars or the moons of Jupiter that allowed for new technologies like room temperature super conductors or cold fusion we'd be spending 1000x more money on research and development on spaceships.
@@03chrisv In my opinion our problem is that we use to much brainpower in WARS instade to work on new tehnologies to research our SOL System and bayond ..... if our siantists have time and sources to search thay`ll shure find a way to producing a WARP engine ....... and that`ll be the start !
@@ashlilitchfield That's dumb as hell, the energy needed to keep a force field active at all times is ridiculous. Keep your door up and only down when needed. No other ship have we seen a open shuttle bay.
*@Songya Ni...* 1. *_'Firsts'..._* - a.) Nog did indeed make history regardless of his any career accomplishment, as he was the first Ferengi to successfully apply and join Starfleet. But also fortunately for both Nog and Starfleet, Nog embraced his Starfleet career wholeheartedly, never once regretting his career-choice despite the hardships, and even critical injuries, he endured. Which is probably more the reason there is a USS Nog, because Nog *EARNED* the ship-titling. - b.) Same goes for *Worf,* as the first Klingon in Starfleet. However, Worf had it easier since he was a "naturalized" Federation citizen, having grown up in the Federation, and his adoptive human parents were Federation citizens; thus Worf could freely apply to Starfleet without need for sponsorship and review. Unlike Nog who needed sponsorship from (then-)Commander Sisko and the review by the Starfleet Academy Admissions Board. 2. *_'Futures'_** ~* The following is _'Beta'_ Canon (NON-official, but generally accepted by the ST-community), drawn from *Star Trek Online* (MMO-RPG), so take this with a grain of salt... *;)* - a.) After the end of ST:DS9, which left Nog as a [Lieutenant, Junior Grade], Nog would later rank-up to Lieutenant Commander, becoming Chief Engineer of the USS Challenger, under the command of Captain Geordi La Forge. - b.) Nog would eventually rise to the rank of Captain, commanding the USS Chimera, the first of its starship class: the _Chimera-class_ Heavy Destroyer, a "Big Brother" to the _Defiant-class_ starship-series. - c.) Nog would inspire countless other Ferengi to enlist with Starfleet, showing that Ferengi could have a place where they could live and thrive outside of the crushing mercantilism of Ferengi society & government. Nog's inspiration showed that with good service in Starfleet, a Ferengi may not have Profit, but their service and lives would have *_VALUE._* Hope this helps expand and clarify. *:)*
What I love about the Voyager's appearance in the show is that Janeway's Voyager was the first Voyager to use the NCC-74656 registry. Finding that the honor of recycling the registry had been bestowed upon the Voyager name has them excited to hear about how the name "Voyager" joined the likes "Enterprise" in achieving this honor... and on top of that, ships bearing the Enterprise legacy had set a precedent for doing their predecessor ships proud by achieving extraordinary things themselves... so there must be an expectation that the Voyager lineage is similarly storied.
While they apparently knew of a precedent of adding letters to registries, they wouldn't have known about the _Enterprise_ in that context. Remember, in the timeframe they came from, the _Enterprise_ still had decades of service before Kirk destroyed her to kill a few Klingons.
Ties back to a real-world tradition of Naval Honor Rolls for the Fleets of a nation. The ships whose actions are so worthy of note that there name and registry is forever appended to a new ship to continue the legacy of service.
Legacy ships are so rare in startrek that it is nice ot see one. I was hoping we might see the Defiant as well but maybe we'll see her descendant later
@@KenshiImmortalWolf If it was up to me I would make it a legacy ship I love the Defiant and it deserves it. but I don't think that STD writers will make it a Legacy ship
Seconds after the Voyager-J popped up on-screen, Trekkies everywhere were tightly hugging their Voyager boxsets and sobbing "I'm so, so sorry. I don't know why I spent so much of the 90s and 00s saying those awful things about you. Please forgive me!"
No one ever said that. All Star Trek is awesome. Everyone should watch Star Trek, it’s enlightening, and shows us what our future COULD be if we all just worked together in common benefit. Janeway, I think, was an ace captain.
@@darronbaker4149i know plenty of trekkies, myself included, that did not like VOY. and it wasn't Mulgrew or any of the other actors, the writing was just TNG S01 bad way too often.
This is all of our reaction to seeing how a business is now after years of being away. Also, the teleporter beam is now instant. No seconds of disassembling and reassembling. It's straight into data-space, and out the other end.
A rather small handful of ships given how many showed up for the Battle of the Binary Stars, that Riker commanded in Star Trek Picard, that showed up for Wolf 359 and the defenseman of Deep Space 9. If anything, they should be remarking on how small Starfleet has become as they would've been accustomed to there being a lot more ships. They should be saying "Most of the fleet must be out on maneuvers..."
good fucking god her shutting off a hologram by blinking was stupid, imagine an ancient roman soldier trying to disable to crusader self propelled gun by using a weakness of the roman scorpion and you have the level of sense that makes
I'm happy to know that Voyager officially became a legacy ship. Legacy ship is my name for ships with the same name and registry but are different classes, The Enterprise is a Legacy Ship
@@bensisko7154 Novels? They are their own thing. I did cringe at the line where they said 'I'd love to hear about their stories (referring to Voyager)... Kurtzman setting up more spinoffs for when the well runs dry 😄
@@Knightfall182 True Knightfall182, The novels take place after the end of TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Janeway is acknowledged and promoted to Admiral. The last episode of Voyager confirmed it.
@@JohnnyZenith but it makes some sense when you realise that all the technology was probably destroyed when every ship with an active warp core exploded. Oh, and dilithium being very rare.
@@JohnnyZenith but the ability to make it, not to mention getting the resources, manpower, SHIPS, and eventually long-range communications, were severly compromised. Imagine if most of the cars exploded, and suddenly you couldn't browse the web, and 2 million people were dead. That's basically a worse version of the scenario in Discovery.
Except in other Star Trek series, you have people of all ages have child like excitement and wonder. In this show, especially the post time jump part, you just have excited children.
And a totally realistic reaction. Can you imagine being pulled 900 years into the future (assuming we don't blow ourselves up) The technology would likely be so advanced it would be indistinguishable from magic. I would give almost anything to experience that.
@@SmilesObrien Yeah, sure. Let me just copy here how wikipedia defines scientific theory: "A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method". Hope you can understand now what I meant. You're welcome!
The Voyager did the Enterprise's duty of exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life forms and civilizations in a part of space that was originally unexplorable. She deserves to be a Legacy Ship for everything she went through. Discovery will see that her 10 descendants have a great ancestor ship to look up to.
It was something i liked about Voyager. Aside from the bit to do with the Maquis, you really didn't need much background on what had happened in the Alpha quadrant as nearly everything was new.
Help me out here. I've only watched the first season of discovery. But wasn't discovery from the same time period as Kirk and Spock? If so, then that was WAY before Janeways voyager. Right?
@@RangerOffroadWV massive spoilers incoming if you don't want to know. Season 2 ended with discovery taking a massive time jump forward to the 32nd century. Hence all the oogling over the future tech.
@@RangerOffroadWV no need to be rude, you asked a question and i responded they jumped forward a few centuries. I just tried to avoid the how details in case you wanted to keep watching.
kind of like for example in TNG when they made contact with that engineered human society in star trek TNG masterpiece society picard said open hailing frequencies but in the lower band frequenceis used a century prior. which is still too new for htem considering that human species settled on that planet in the 22nd century lol this would be like us having a phone from 1876 trying to call someone in 2022 with a 5G phone. it would be totally incompatable.
Well, in fairness, 99% of what they just saw was either theoretical when they were around, or wouldn't BE theoretical for centuries after. There's a lot of "Holy shit" going on here. That and the Discovery is a Science Vessel, so most of the crew have a specialization in such, which means they get to geek out even more because they actually understand what they're looking at, even if their understanding was only at the Theoretical level.
Also, after the constant crises of the last season and getting lost from their own time, the crew likely needed to see that not only had Starfleet survived but grown. They needed a good day to maintain hope.
Yeah, this scene dripped of the 'gee, wow, look at the amazing thing the audience is supposed to think is cool' reaction shots that you see in so many Spielberg movies... The sad thing is that a line of dialogue could have fixed this - something that acknowledged (in the eyes of the audience) that Discovery's crew has gone WAYYYY past anything that we've seen before. Having a 'USS Relativity-B' would have been just as cool as 'USS Voyager-J', and also been a nice callback to the idea that the original USS Relativity was a timeship but was retrofitted to do away with temporal travel systems. Also - man, the Department of Temporal Investigations must be hardcore in this time... not to mention Section 31.
Because the crew of Discovery is the worst thing in Star Fleet ever. I mean they are all so bad at their jobs it's stunning. Always crying about what's happening, second guessing everything and 90% of time telling each other how their feelings matter. It's seriously such a bad crew the only two males onboard are a relatively OKish doctor and his gay stalker that shows borderline sociopathic tendencies and his hysteria is the cringiest part of every episode.
While I mostly used _'Alpha'_ (official) Canon, some of the following also includes _'Beta'_ Canon (NON-official, but generally accepted by the ST-community) information/explanations, mostly drawn from *[Star Trek Online (2010) MMO-RPG],* (STO) so take those _('Beta')_ parts with a grain of salt... *:)* 1.) [2:35] *_"USS Nog"_* (the ship on the Left-side of the USS Discovery's passing)... - a.) *Tribute -* It was a nice nod to *Aron Eisenberg* (1969-2019), aka Nog. Additionally, the USS Nog has been _'Alpha'_ Canonized as an _Eisenberg-class_ starship. In STO, it is further codified as an _Eisenberg-class_ Star Cruiser. *NOT* designed for space exploration, Star Cruisers are designed to patrol the far-borders of known space for long periods, needing little maintenance &/or support. - b.) *Character Legacy **_('Alpha'_** Canon) -* While Nog made Starfleet-history simply by being the first Ferengi in Starfleet, it is also important to remember that Nog embraced his Starfleet career wholeheartedly; never once regretting or wavering in his commitment to Starfleet despite the hardships he endured, or the critical injuries he sustained (he lost a leg during the Dominion War). So Nog *EARNED* his way through Starfleet, and thus was deserving of a ship-titling. - c.) *Post-DS9 **_(Alpha' & 'Beta'_** Canon) -* After the end of ST:DS9 which left Nog at the rank of *[Lieutenant, Junior Grade],* Nog would continue to progress in Starfleet, becoming a Lieutenant Commander and Chief Engineer of the USS Challenger (a _Galaxy-class_ Exploration Cruiser, like the USS Enterprise-D) under Captain Geordi La Forge. Sadly, Chief Nog was part of a nullified timeline [VOY 5x06 - "Timeless"], but picked up again as _'Beta'_ Canon in STO. - d.) *(STO-)Career Height **_('Beta'_** Canon, obviously) -* Aron would reprise his role in voicing Nog in STO. Nog would eventually rise to the rank of Captain; to command the USS Chimera, the first of its ship-class: the _Chimera-class_ Heavy Destroyer (a heavy-hitting "Big Brother" to the _Defiant-class_ Tactical Escort ship-series). Captain Nog would play a critical role in one of STO's biggest story-arcs: _The Iconian War._ - e.) *Social Legacy **_('Alpha'_** & **_'Beta'_** Canon) -* Nog would be an inspiration to countless Ferengi to enlist in Starfleet (In STO, Ferengi are a playable race, & one can recruit Ferengi NPCs to their ship-crews.). Even more so once The Ferengi Alliance formally allied with the United Federation of Planets, allowing Ferengi to freely enlist in Starfleet; unlike Nog who needed sponsorship and review. Nog showed that Ferengi could live and thrive outside of the crushingly oppressive Oligarchy of The Ferengi Alliance, where many Ferengi live in abject poverty because they did not have the skill(s), talent(s), &/or ruthlessness, for high finances, which dictates Ferengi culture & social status within The Ferengi Alliance (defying the Ferengi Rule of Acquistion #18: "A Ferengi without Profit is no Ferengi at all."). Nog's inspiration showed other Ferengi that with good service in Starfleet, they may not have Profit, but their lives would have *_VALUE._* 2.) [2:19] *_"USS Voyager-J"_** --* To clarify that part of this scene... - a.) *Ten (10) generations vs. Eleven (11) -* Tilly is correct in counting to 10 for the alphabet letters 'A' through 'J'. *_However,_* for ST-starships, the base prototype of a starship-type/-class does not have a letter-designation, thus adding +1 more to the overall starship-generational count. Captain Janeway's USS Voyager (NCC-74656, no suffix-[letter]) was the first of its class (the _Intrepid-class_ Long Range Science Vessel), and did not carry an "-A" suffix designation. Thus... *[01* (prototype-first) *+ 10* (A-J)] *= 11* (total ship-generations). - b.) *[UPDATE EDIT (Feb. 2021, via STO)] -* In STO, the USS Voyager-J has been classified as a _Janeway-class_ Science Command Vessel. For a ship-summary, the _Janeway-class_ is a Multi-Role starship (like most Science Vessels are), built for long-range Exploration and independent operation (also what most Science Vessels do). The difference being the _Janeway-class_ features additional Fleet Command functions/capability, to be able to command and coordinate other starships out on the far frontier. This way, vessels on Exploration missions do not have to fly all the way back from the far frontier to Earth SpaceDock to report-in or for orders; thus the _Janeway-class_ helps expand/extend the reach of Starfleet Command. 3.) [1:23] *_'Advanced Ship Materials'..._* (Star Trek Online) - a.) *"Neutronium alloy fibers" -* Having a Neutronium Reinforced Hull, which protects against all damage across the board (corrosive, elemental, energy, graviton, impact, etc.), was the lifeblood of Tank-players like myself. I had three (3x) layers of it (it was a stacking trait) and *STILL* would get my (Tank-)Cruiser nacelles handed to me (&/or shoved up my ass), at times. *;
@@Ostermond ~ Thank you. *:)* Always happy to explain, clarify, &/or provide a good read. As I have said across my other Comments/Replies, Star Trek is one of my particular nerd-passions, so I enjoy being able to expound upon the topic. *:)*
@@carlos_mitosis ~ You are mostly correct. As I have repeatedly/consistently self-critiqued, STO is _'Beta'_ Canon; and thus always forewarn what I write, when drawing from STO, should be taken with a grain of salt. Likewise, I have not played STO for years now, despite my being a Lifetime Subscription Player since opening day (back in 2010); but as I greatly enjoyed my time in STO, I can still remember most ("most") of it still. *;)* The counter-balance is that STO is generally the most stable of _'Beta'_ Canon content & sources in the ST-community; thus why STO is (broadly) looked to and accepted by the general ST-community (not counting Kurtzman and his "NuTrek" crew, sadly... *;(* ). Rather obviously, STO's _'Beta'_ Canonicity *_NEEDS_* to be as stable as possible, since STO is an ongoing licensed Star Trek product for 10+ years now (since 2010). This is especially true for ST: Lower Decks, where one can see many parallels and probably source-inspirations from STO.
I have a little brain theory about an ending scene (either series or season) with the revitalised Starfleet about the send off four new ships on their first 5 year mission in over a century. Each vessel named after the flagship vessel of each series. Discovery-B, Defiant-?, Voyager-L, and Enterprise-?.
I love the awe of the crew, like a 19th century ship crew coming into 2020 and seeing airplanes, fighter ships, cellphones and advanced computers. Which reminds me, Discovery is due for an upgrade they are like a schooner in an era of nuclear powered submarines.
Admiral Vance already stated his intent to have Discovery upgraded. But he may delay that now that he has confirmation that the ship contains lost technology that Starfleet could really use right now.
ST:D crew did not know the ship name as such just the designation was up to "J". And the nod to NOG may imply Feringi joined Star Fleet after Nog lead the way and became a highly decorated captain and maybe higher rank. There are a lot of potential stories to see come from ST:D.
It's interesting how they were able to fill in the space enough to be believable, but still allowed them to actually make them complete in season 4 (they hadn't made the actual design blueprints until after season 3 shipped). The HQ station, especially, which has a much more defined structure in season 4 if you compare the two.
makes me wonder how someone from the 1st Milenium would react of they arrived in 2020 in. major city. Thats 1000AD...around the times of Marco Polo , Genghis Kahn...first time gun powder was used etc.
It's like if someone from the time of the Battle of Hastings saw what modern England was like. Imagine them seeing modern London, and then seeing a city like New York, then the Burj Kalifa literally piercing the heavens!
Who knows though it could make sense and it was so devastating because it was an omega molecule blowing up while they were in some form of warp and the strangeness of the story is from both the time of when it happened and being told second hand
No, go and watch the episode again to help out but will explain. Omega only damages subspace, makes it impossible for any ship to be able to go to warp, starfleet vessels would have to travel at sublight speed becuase they cannot go to warp, they would not be able to create a stable warp field. The burn is where majority of dilithium exploded including any starships with dilithium, even other worlds lost it hence why you see people scrapping for it as its become a limited resource, where as if Omega had a play ships wouldn't be able to warp at all. Also if it was Omega, starfleet would have solved it by now surely, they had all the resources to know what omega is and what it does, hell they created a directive around it, I'm sure they would have picked it up if it was an omega detenation, while it's a logical theory, it's easily debunked
When Tilly said generations, I think she meant incarnations because she knows USS Enterprise is an incarnation of Archer's NX-01. It's not like USS Enterprise used the same frame from NX-01.
Actually 'design generations' is an appropriate term for the concept. One could say that the US Navy has had two aircraft carrier generations of the USS ENTERPRISE with a third under construction. On the other hand, just because A-J = 10 doesn't mean that there were not more intervening 'generations' between those letters, depending on the operational lifetime of each version. For example, the USS ENTERPRISE the navy is currently building would actually be considered a 7th generation design of purpose built fleet aircraft carrier, though it will only be the 3rd with the name. (Yorktown, Essex, Midway, Forrestal, Enterprise(N)/Kitty Hawk(C), Nimitz, Ford)
I'd say that only depends on if they relocated to other ships but since they are all remaining on Discovery for the time being, they can teach them enough about the retrofit modifications but as it was said, they kept the same interface to ease them into the new systems.
"The Enterprise is delivering a shipment of uniforms to a distant outpost. Again." I agree. TNG seemed like the 9 to 5 grind. Map a sector. Patrol the Neutral Zone. Map another sector. Put up with an irritating but brilliant scientific genius. Rinse, repeat.
@@NuclearFridge1 if you got tricked into thinking fancy visuals, dramatic music, and emotive awe are any substitute for good story telling with strong writing and a moral to be told, then you've been punkd.
I wonder if this is what it was like for Kelsey Grammer's crew when the TNG crew got them out of that time loop. Or Scotty when he was freed from transporter suspension.
Very likely. A particularly awesome thing about that? Scotty and Captain Bateson both ended up helping design the Sovereign and Odyssey classes, which means their TOS Era know-how ended up helping design both the Enterprise E and F (Bateson would also go on to Command a Sovereign as well, carrying over the name of his old ship)
@@Nighthawke70 Well, thankfully the human life expectancy is actually a lot longer by then, so it's possible their fiancee was still alive. So they would hopefully have at least gotten closure.
I may be missing something, but wouldn't a hull composed of holographic containment walls require a ridiculous amount of energy that could better be used to enhance shields or weapons?
Possibly, but, first, this is fiction, so they can do as they please, and second, it might be a medical ship, a recreational one, a school or residence, anything that doesn't go far away or isn't supposed to engage in combat.
It can also be completely reconfigured from the base super structure up as quickly as the new program can be activated. Your port nacelle has been blasted off? Save scum that entire section, just reboot it into place with a fully fresh, uninjured holographic crew. The only time you can do serious harm is once you dig through all that holographic containment and start killing off the power and the holoprojector arrays.
@@MariaMartinez-researcher "...first, this is fiction, so they can do as they please,..." Ahm, not exactly. The plausibility of your science has to make sense if it's science fiction, so when Star Trek creators advanced from holodecks to holograms that could interface with reality, they overstepped the laws of plausibility. This is where your storylines have to get incredibly good in order to hold up faulty science fiction. "...second, it might be a medical ship, a recreational one,..." It was made obvious that this was Starfleet Command, which would require shields and weapons, regardless how far away from danger you thought the place was.
I haven't seen the show, so I don't know the context, BUT in a traditional Star Trek time travel show, the time traveling ship always gets "undone" before the end of the show (or destroyed) except for the infamous JJ Abramsverse which seems to have created it's own parallel universe. Here though, just flying into Starfleet is kind of fun. I guess there was that Miranda that collided with the Enterprise D. Presumably that ship is still around in the modern timeline, and since Mirandas never retire, it's probably still in service.
@wolf bane Why? I think by paying respect in this way with Nog is very Star Trek! As well as dropping the Voyager name. It's just like TNG dropping in Defiant in First Contact. It is the connectivity of all the ST series which promotes that inclusivity that Star Trek has always been about.
@wolf bane I have deleted anything. I disliked it, and thats fine. I also gave reasons to back that up. I understand that you don't like discovery and their story lines and thats fine. Your opinion. If you are a Star Trek fan, then you will know as much as anyone else not to spread hate. Feel free to add your opinion, but do it constructively. Do it without pushing a hate agenda. Give reasons and an explanation for you view. That's how we should be communicating.
Voyager is actually a key ship in the future as it can recristalise dilithiam using it's Theta compositor matrix. It also has Bio-jel packs that could have prevented it's destruction.
All of which was literally ancient technology by the time the Burn happened in the late-31st century. Also, bio-neural gel packs are incompatible with Talaxian cheesemaking.
@@daniels7907 You have to understand once the burn happened technology stagnented then went into decline. That's why the Federation went into hiding to protect what was left.
@@zevermoon - That doesn't account for all the *centuries* of innovation that would have happened between Picard and the Burn. Basically the 25th - 30th centuries, with the actual Burn happening in the late-31st. The Federation went into hiding because most of Starfleet was destroyed. But they obviously still have very advanced technology, as well as records from previous centuries.
@@daniels7907 I think you will be surprised at how the burn happened and why. Might have to do with Burnams mother. Then again Discovery may be in the negative universe from TOS Season 3.
@@zevermoon - I'm sure that they have something in mind and that we will find out (probably at the end of the season). But it really seems like technology has not regressed too badly. It's just that people have an understandable fear of any technology that depends on dilithium after the Burn. United Earth is clearly advanced enough to build starships, but doesn't because of their isolationism.
I was thinking the other night, it would be very cool scene if Burnham is given, or finds, a holographic message left by Spock for her and the show used a "deep fake" of Leonard Nimoy, but dubbed with Ethan Peck's voice. A reassurance to Burnham that he had lived a long life and how, no many how illogical it might be, hoped she might one day receive his message hoping she would do the same.
Seriously there should be a USS Janeway, the fact that Janeway leads her crew through all kinds of adventures in a different part of the Galaxy and meet all kinds of new races and more than there share of battles and able to get back home to Starfleet seven years later to me warrants a ship in her name
@@donaldthompson8474 There likely was. A nice bit in STO is there's a LOT of ships named for Legendary Officers around by the 2400s, like the USS Kirk, Chekov, Archer, Reed, and so on.
I would have liked it if they had an Enterprise among those ships. Perhaps the Enterprise-Q, a tie-in to everyone's favorite mischievous omnipotent being. After all, they did have Captain Archer briefly onboard the Enterprise-J, which was in the 26th century. It's feasible they'd be up to the letter Q by the 31st century.
That is my headcanon and I am sticking to it. Imagine the look on Q's face when they got to that letter. Q: FINALLY! We get to my name. This is going to be a fun time.
The Enterprise Z, assuming an average lifespan of 40 years, was decommissioned last millennia relative to this scene, Which raises several options I’m hoping for Enterprise-5
"Discovery" hasn't been what I'd hope it would be most of the time, but I swear this one of the most joyous scenes in all of "Star Trek." If only more of the show had this kind of magic ... it felt genuine and unforced. Bravo!
I've never watched this show, but it was recommended to me because I watch clips of Star trek TNG all the time. When the captain said thousand year old starship I was so confused.
@@Lukas_101 Not really. Every Trek's first season blew, and it usually comes into its own by its third. Look at TNG. Discovery's first season sucks (biggest complaint is the "Klingorcs, they remedy that heavily in season 2). Season 2 of discovery's pretty good. It helps that Pike and "Number One" (his original first officer, the one who was supposed to be played by Majel Barrett in TOS) Guest Star for most of it. And we gt an episode with Mudd showing up.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 the show, by its self, is fine. But within the stories told in DISCO there are frequent continuity errors in regards to story and Star Trek Cannon, making it hard and less immersive for hard core fans to watch. Another thing is that, The overall tone, mood and morals of Star Trek discovery, are quite off from those of legacy Star Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and even ENT). In legacy Star Trek, we see humanity and civilization at their best, With all of the injustices of today’s times put in the past, basically people in Star Trek have moved past all of the social issues and now live in a practically perfect society where they can now divert resources to exploring the universe. And so to see so many of the characters act in such a primal way (where racism, equality, and injustice are still issues) in Star Trek discovery makes for sure that is overall less “Star Trek”. In Star Trek discovery, they over announce certain things like a gay couple, or ideas such as equality for all, and while in today’s time such ideas are still in dispute, in Star Trek it should already have been talked about when the past and everyone has moved past it so they don’t need to pay attention to such things. Things like homosexual couples and more progressive ideas are normal to them, or should be. So when they make an effort to point out our injustices in today’s time in Star Trek discovery‘s time it’s subtracts from what Star Trek was meant to be. Now for me personally, the only way I can watch it right now is to think of it as a parallel universe. Because on top of everything I’ve already said, all the ship designs are different, beloved characters are degraded for the benefit of other characters, and apparently in Star Trek discovery, the Federation is the bad guy. It’s just with all of these issues present, it’s hard to think of it even as Star Trek. Because what Gene Roddenberry dreamt for Star Trek to be was to be a glimpse into a future where humanity has moved past their issues and have become essentially the best we can be. And I don’t think the characters and the stories shown in discovery adhere to that idea.
@@Lukas_101 Which is fair, even if it's wrong and it's your personal biases against how the characters are portrayed. People said the same thing about DS9 and Voyager, remember. Yet both are fondly remembered. As Utopian as the Federation is shown to be, Humanity is still, you know, HUMANITY. And other races've always been shown to be assholes too. Look at how Vulcans treated Spock for being half-human? Or how they used to treat humans on enterprise until Admiral Forrest sacrificed himself? Discovery's characters aren't perfect, but Discovery is STILL a Star Trek through and through. It may be the weakest in the franchise, but it's STILL Star Trek, no matter how much Republican Trekkies want to disagree with that fact. Star Trek has literally ALWAYS been about inclusivity, understanding, and exploration of ourselves as WELL as space. And every Star Trek (even Lower Decks) Does that.
0:56-1:08 it is a rare thing to say even in the 32nd Century to describe something as "quite literally breathtaking," but by the Gods, they've managed to do it here!
Head Canon for the USS Nog: They had a class of small Diplomatic Explorers where each one was named after the first member of a species to join Starfleet: Nog, Worf, Phlox, Icheb, Mirasta, maybe even a Saru.....
O I'm sci-fi geek and thought this was garbage. Why would part of Starfleet HQ's defenses (the "distortion field") be powered by the docked ships? Why are the nacelles separated from the ship? Etc etc. Too much that "looks cool" vs "makes sci-fi sense".
@@Pyrrho_ Aww, c’mon, it was fun. It’s completely ridiculous it still a little fun right? All of sci fi is ridiculous but also designed for fun! I guess what I’m trying to say is smile and have fun! Happy Holidays!
@@natepeace1737 Its ridiculousness is what makes it veer too far into fantasy, rather than sci-fi, to be enjoyable to me. I can't turn my brain off, and the constant questions it raises draw me out of the story too much.
@@chrisaskenaizer9322 Kinda been Discovery's thing to be optimistic, even to the point of Naivete. but then they are a Science Vessel. Voyager's crew was much the same way until the Delta quadrant and the Borg beat that optimism out of them for the most part.
I don't believe they "knew" about it... they saw the registry on the hull and said "USS.. Voyager.. J? Thats... 10 generations of evolution...?" To which someone else on the bridge said "11... I'd love to hear some of those stories!"
if we are all going to watch Star Trek now with our 21x9 size video format and in 4k resolution, where gonna have to get used to that wide open see through view screen on the bridge as well as that open see through shuttle door which serves as metaphors for how the audience observes Star Trek today. Consider the bridge view screen and the shuttle door as orifices to obtain as well as to retain the new discoveries and knowledge for humanity. Every time we watch USS Discovery from behind the ship it's also a metaphor for humanity leaving with extra room wanting for more.......but if your not in to that, you can watch the show on your phone or with a 25 year old tv.
You’d like to hear the stories of Voyager? It all began with a mission to the Badlands to catch some rogue Starfleet officers that joined a group called called the Maquis. I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that story.
Yes the franchise has since been rebooted by dimwits and sustained by dimwits, but at least there is The Orville, even though it's unfortunately a comedy.
