Thanks for the chat about it, I personally love the idea of Free Matter, how ships can change shape etc, for me that’s made discovery an absolutely fantastic show, and this future looking version of the Voyager is great, I mean after all we are many many years into the future
The negative space in the fantail (the bottle opener) reminds me of the negative space they added to Discovery's pylons. It must serve some specific purpose on both ships other than stylistic. The overall shape of the primary hull is taken almost entirely from that early concept Voyager. Look at the stern of the primary hull - it slopes down at a steep angle, just like the concept model (it's really hard to see in the sketches because of perspective distortion but easy to see in the miniature).
I'd bet 100 bars of gold-pressed latinum that we'll be seeing Voyager-J in action this season. It's a classic Chekhov's Gun, otherwise they wouldn't have revealed it in the first place. I'm predicting it'll swoop in to save the day in the season finale.
Head canon technobabble explanation for detached floating nacelles: 31st Century Nacelles operate through an advanced quantum geometrodynamic graviton tether. In essence the main ship body contains a null zone typically represented by a void or gap in the spaceframe which is lined by an incredibly dense nanomolecular substance - Gravidronium. Once installed this material is then bombarded by focused Theta Radiation - this 'activates' the Gravidronium creating a perpetual 'charge' - producing quantum graviton waves. This is called the quantum geometrodynamic graviton Anchor. The nacelles are lined with activated Gravidronium that has been charged to a reversed polarity to the QGG Anchor. The quantum graviton waves produced by the nacelles intersect with the Anchors waves forming a 'QGG Tether'. This Tether once established is able to now exist independently from any power source as it is sustained almost indefinitely by the very quantum graviton waves that are being created by the interaction between the nacelle's and Anchors Gravidronium. Consequently this Tether also functions as a medium for phased warp plasma feeding to the nacelles. The benefits of the QGG Tether system are many. Because the nacelles have no 'physical' connection to the rest of the ship - any damage to the nacelles will not jeopardise the rest of the ship as there is no means for any energy overload to feedback into the warp core. This Tether system also reduces the ship mass and stress on the hull during manoeuvres. In addition because there are no 'physical' pylons it removes that vulnerability. Currently their are no means by which a graviton Tether can be interrupted or attacked by external forces. THERE. For the next person to complain about floating nacelles, show them this. :)
I haven’t read your explanation for a simple reason. If I did, I would have to ask why this technology is not used in other ways. I don’t watch the show and have already enough questions about programmable matter as it is.
@@jamestrexler6329 Simple the Side view diagram shown is either a representation of a saucer separation ability. OR the neck is actually there it's just a darker colour and not as visible on screen. :)
I love the sketched version of Voyager. The CG model, like Discovery, is too "Greebly" for future tech. The surfacing should look almost completely seamless and smooth. Why are there so many panel joints in a universe with programmable matter?
Because it looks like crap if you smooth render it. That is the problem with the TOS enterprise, it...just lacks surface detail so it looks like a model. Greebles catch the eye, make shadows, interrupt light, etc. Star Trek TMP gave us the aztek panel designs, the 4 foot enterprise D added some greebly bits to the Aztek TNG models. It is a real world thing that makes the designs look a certain way.
I'm with folly on this one the original enterprise somehow looks the most advanced with it's lack of manuactoring and technical compromises. StarTrek seems to have a visual spectrum of 'feels right' between our tech and the original enterprise. Purely from a visual stand point, all the other eras seem to fit between these two points.
The 11th version of this ship wouldn't look anything like the original and have recognisable forms like this one. I get it, they can't veer too far with every ship and not keep Startrek design norms. The issue is setting the season too far in the future. There's no reason this couldn't have been the 27th century.
@@JohnnyZenith If it took place in the 27th century, then people would complain about "but muh canon". Wait... nvm those people are still complaining about their "canon" being violated. I give up
2:35 - The commander is most correct, here! The Discovery crew is NOT reacting to the name of the ship, or anything to do with that! The use of the name is PURELY to get a reaction from us fans, who HAVE previously seen a USS Voyager in action. The only reason the Discovery crew reacts as they do, is because they hardly knew ANY Federation starship with even an A designation, back in the 23rd century. So, for them to see ANY Starfleet vessel which is designated a 10th successor to its original, is an amazing sight for them. I believe there’s some sort of trope that’s used, when a surprise is pulled, and whilst it gives the audience a reaction of awe or shock, that’s also conveyed through a parallel reaction - different, but similar - by the character(s) on screen witnessing the same event. Deep Space Nine’s episode “Shadows and Symbols” gave us one of the best examples of this in Trek - As we experience the relief of Sisko finding an orb, and re-opening the Bajoran Wormhole, so the main characters in the other plotlines experience miraculous changes in their fortunes. Of course this is the very crux of the episode, and it doesn’t need to be in order to invoke that same trope or idea. But this Voyager-J encounter works basically the same way.
for the first time, I feel like STD has actually created itself a design style that isn't their usual overly "generic sci-fi" thing, and still matches the "feel" of the Star Trek universe, AND looks future tech ... It pains me to say it considering the trauma I still feel over the first season ... but I have to give credit where credit is due! Bravo art directors and designers this season!
I am excited about Season 3 as well, it opened up a whole lot of paths for this show and even spin offs. Imagine them creating a new series with Enterprise N or something Voyager J? Maybe that's why the put it in there. They could create a whole new Trek universe with things fresh and new but familiar at the same time. Fix all those issues they created by having all these shows in the past, ( ST Enterprise, the newer movies etc).
@@cranbers absolutely ... all that pre-qual nonsense for years and years ... just awful. I work in television, so I know WHY they did it, and how producers think ... but it doesn't make it any less obnoxious as a fan.
"Hi, Fernando.... we need a model for this scene..." "cant we just use a shuttle that's what we usually do?" "No we want a ship, how fast can you knock one up??" "Erm I can probably have something for you first thing tomorrow....." "you've got 5 minutes....."
@Lady Wanderer "I've got a better idea.. I'll email trekyards and tell them that if they don't say our designs are great.... we wont let them do conventions any more..."
The propulsion delivery is not attached to the ship, what could possibly go wrong? Brought to you by the same company as "Light Speed Skipping", thanks.. I like science
@@DirkPiddlemark did you just asume my trek? reeeeeeeeeeeee! no, i dont defend kurtzman as the show is shit, but the nacelles always generated warp, and warp is a spatial event not a physical one, there is no need for the warp nacelle to be attached to the ship for "propulsion", what seems to be bogus is how the energy goes from the antimatter core to the nacelle
They're like wireless earbuds for starships. The energy field keeping them in place might be strong. But I still can't help how easily they could still be torn away and lost with little effort.
You are arguing that advanced tech from the 32nd century is dumb on a computer, a piece of technology that is nothing short of magical compared to technology from 900 years ago. Anything should go as far as technology is concerned. As far as "what if they come off in combat" well first, I think it is well established that the federation doesn't traditionally design their ships for combat, and second, I bring up that once again they've had multiple centuries to work this out. A Boeing 787 is expected to fly almost the entire distance around the globe on two engines, one could ask "what if one of those engines fails?" a few decades ago, that may have even been a valid question, but over decades of development, engine technology has become extremely redundant to the point where we can be sure that they won't fail, even in the middle of the ocean.
I think it looks beautiful. Discovery are definitely moving into the right direction. This season has felt like trek again even more so the last two episodes.
Solves the problem of how many shuttles does Voyager have... as many as they need since they can make them with programmable matter (PM). I do wonder if there are PM stores aboard or if every time they make a chair or bed some table in the mess hall gets its PM reallocated..
Brought to you by the production company that gave us the USS CopyPaste. Everyone has their taste in art, but with these new ships it feels like Picasso is the inspiration for designs. My head hurts looking at it.
The "bottle opener" had me thinking it could transport shuttles into the bay without docking doors. Remind sme of the transporting gates from Starfleet HQ in Picard.
It’s was Captain Janeway’s Voyage, and had been refitted to the letter J due to the Voyage at their timeline was Destroyed in the burn, they left earth with the museum ship, then refitted. Most starships in the new timeline was from a shipyard, mothballed, waiting for war or refit or decommissioned and recycled to newer designs.
Remember when the Enterprise-J looked futuristic because of it's pristine and smooth organic curves and colors? Yeah...me too. This looks like it belongs in an old Star Fox game.
I don't know if anyone else thought the same thing, but when I looked at the secondary hull...I got some strong Excelsior vibes from it - big protrusion up front underneath, tapering to small in the back, with a flat top deck.
You said Voyager may have been refitted a couple of times, but according to Voyager's own cannon that's not possible. Voyager was turned into a museum ship and decommissioned, so proceeding Voyager's would've had to have been completely new ships. As far as I remember, refit ships also keep their original lettering post-refit.
I think the negative spaces on these ships, are actually able to be filled up depending on the use with programmable matter.....ie back piece looks empty, reconfigure it for a specific mission etc
I agree on what Samuel says about the J and people complaining. I even replied to a comment about that. If you really take the time to watch the scene, Tilly is impressed by the J but doesn't tilt one bit about the name itself.
@@miller42 They would be impressed by the J because it was rare for ships to go that high in their time, and they would know about the naming convention didn't originate with Enterprise, or at least there's no mention that the Enterprise-A was the first of its kind.
@6:59 Did you notice how the holographic display calls the USS Voyager NCC-74656-J an *Intrepid Class*? Will admit, I got really emotional when I saw the Voyager-J. I thought it was a *great* homage to the original ship. As a Voyager fan, any reference to my favorite show, gets me choked up.
I finally figured all this out, why it seemed to familiar and was driving me crazy: 31stC tech is totally Eve from Wall-e. The detached arms and head, the white sleekness, the blue lights. Whereas the old Discovery was all brown and lowtech like Wall-e himself. The meeting of old and new tech in Trek has been played out in the Disney movie :p
For all those who say the Discovery crew should not know about Voyager, let remember that the Defiant in TOS is not the Defiant in DS9, and that there are also two USS Vaillant, two USS Hoods and two (or more) USS Saratoga all of which are different ships.
Thank you for being a positive Trek youtuber. Most youtube channels screech about SJW stuff again and again. I'm glad ya'll are positive and not so cringey. You guys focus on actual Trek lore.
I think it is great if it functions as expected. If these detached parts can move of their own accord then we have ships that can alter their length, centre of mass, etc. Not to mention that vulnerable areas have been removed, the neck, the pylons. I have also noticed the bridge is very deep set into all these ships, even the Discovery got that treatment. It suggests these ships have to stand their ground a bit more/be more adaptable rather than warp off to safety or retreat, which fits what we know so far in regards to limited warp travel. You could argue there are elements from the Prometheus present in all these future designs, given their ability to become multiple targets rather than one. It would be easier to move a nacelle out of the way of fire than the whole ship at short notice. At this point I think anyone critical of the design route is well entitled to be, given we have seen nothing yet in terms of how these ships perform in the wild. On the other hand, it is quite suggestive to some who can see the potential thinking behind it. We shall have to wait and see!
The saucer section is definetely more Prometheus, which is why I'm not too keen on it. It needs to be a gentler and lower curve imho, but the proportions of the nacelles and the engineering section are bang on for a Voyager. I bet the detached nacelles move up when it goes to warp.
"Anyone who says it's the same ship doesn't know how Star Trek ships work." We aren't talking about Star Trek, we're talking about Discovery. Different universe, stupid rules. It's called an "Intrepid Class" on screen, which severely limits most of your objections.
Agreed. To be honest I found this comment from Sam pretty patronising. There’s a very pro DIS rhetoric recently that seems to be no very objective. We aren’t “trying to find anything to complain about”. We are simply applying 60 years of canon understanding and trying to apply it here.
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The fact that they gave the Discovery and 'A' during its refit, and the fact that this is an Intrepid class (you can see it in your video at 5:34_ makes me think they might actually have intended this to be the same ship. It shouldn't be, and hopefully we get confirmation some how its not so the argument ends, but I think that very well might be what secret hideout was intend.
I really like that they essentially fixed discovery by going far into the future. Now we get to see all new stuff instead of them trying to shoe horn all this into the past. Not only that but things like messing up the klingons look and all that. Also there was so much action you never got to know any of the characters. Season 3 seems like that is where Discovery starts to be its own show and its great to see all the future of technology, and you get to explore what the past might of held over last thousand years. Then could even start spinning off new shows with this time, say Voyager J? We get to watch that crew or maybe even an enterprise N or something. Base it on exploring again in the 32nd century after Star fleet has been essential gone for 100 years. New species, wars etc..Sounds pretty cool.
It’s the kick Star Trek as a franchise needed. Out of the 23rd where TNG, DS9 and voyager were set and into the unknown. I’ve always felt voyager should have been like the rebooted BSG but the franchise never took risks.
I think what could make or break this ship will be the deflector, the intrepid class had such a unique deflector style to any other ship. So it will be interesting to see what they've done with it!
I don't like these low detail, sleek surface designs in general. This is especially the case for a high budget show like this one. That being said, I don't like these no connection narcells. What do they do if the tractor beam system or whatever else fails? Let me guess, space magic holds them in place nonetheless. Star Trek always has been fantastical, but they've lost me with these designs. I'm looking forward for the post Kurtzman era of Trek. If it ever happens that is.
The 32nd century is 900 years after Discovery. This isn't nearly fantastical enough. Shouldn't have set it so far in the future. The point is this far in the future everything would be like magic. See Arthur C Clarke.
I dont even see why they still have nacells. The Relativity didnt really seem to have any, and why would they when their transporter can move through time and space.
I wonder if this Starfleet tries to keep the same sort of look to ships with legacy names. Like the Enterprise line keeps the Constitution structural lines, while the Voyager gets the pointy scoop structure. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a Saratoga with a Miranda structure somewhere if true.
I agree that the original voyager design is very good, but as someone who watched the show when it came out, all I can think of when I look at it is a late 90's high-end desktop PC case. The finish, the contouring, everything just SCREAMS the 90's version of futurism. I think the ship designs for this new era of star trek are aiming more for minimalism and modernism. The designs sort of strike me as how apple or samsung would design a ship, which is a bit funy to think about, but it does look more futuristic to me.
Interesting that both the Voyager J and Discovery A have negative space near the detached nacelles - wonder if the negative space is connected (pardon the pun) to the working of the detached nacelles?
Took the two sections of promethues separation flipped one around and called it job done before adding important structural details like pylons, even the Ent-J had them even if they were stupidly thin.
I can't wait to see how eaglemoss dose the detached engines i hope they use a super clear plastic or acrylic and not fit to the stand separately because I like to take them off the stand and look at them.
Frankly, I'm getting sick of the negative space ideas that John Eaves keeps adding to the CBS Trek ships. Detached nacelles is one step too far. There's no reason for all the spaces in a ship or connections to other parts of the ship. Why would anybody have a detached saucer section and nacelles? What technological problem were Starfleet having that made them do that to overcome some kind of issue? It's all style and no substance.
Why would you have a hovering / magnet train? Because it puts a lot strain on the material. I could imagine a similar reason - so, maybe some substance. And its a weak spot when under enemy fire. How many times did enemy ships target the warp nacelles or the struts (as recently seen in "Beyond"). Maybe they even have the power to get rid of the nacelles in case of damage and instantly replicate a new pair LOL
xD seems so. Since it is confirmed in Star Trek online to be have a clas designation dedicated in honur to that particular hero character So in STD I can pretty much see the same thing here in the show.
It is kind of cool that I can use the Voyager-J to open bottles of Coca-Cola imported from Mexico. ;) Seriously, though, I would want to see the Voyager-J in action in an episode before making any judgements. As it's likely still a science-battleship (similar to the Discovery, when you stop and think about it...) it's got to have a fair few tricks up its sleeve.
I wish they had made the USS Nog an iterative ship too (i.e. D, E, or F). Beautiful nod to Aron Eisenberg, yes, but why would StarFleet decide 800+ years later "ah, NOW is the time to celebrate that awesome Ferengi NOG!!" ... Yes yes, very nitpicky of me. 😜😁
@@johnbricejr8409 Voyager was on its original when it came out, and was on J. So one would assume E + 10? so N or O maybe? I think that would be really neat to do a spin off of this time / just call it ST enterprise N (next generation / and be enterprise N) kind of corny but interesting..
@@johnbricejr8409 we would be way past the J, by now. So, 100 years a piece would be N or O. But Enterprises seem to come and go quickly, so it could be even S or T or even up to W by then.
The guitar pick dome section where I assume the bridge is on the saucer almost looks like it a detachable section. That blue glowing bar could be a deflector of engines too
On the episode where the voyager appears, right after Starfleet tells Saru, Burnham and Ta to prepare for transport. It cuts to Tilly and there is a front view of voyager on the monitor.
I had the idea (briefly) for detached nacelles while playing with a model. Thought it was very stupid and put it out of my head. Well here comes DISCOVERY ...
