So I see this more like there are 3 factors to consider. Holy things will kill vampires. Geometric shapes on their own won't kill vampires, but it will confuse them. Vampires who believe crosses are holy things subconsciously making them magical. The pain they feel is their own magic. This would explain why some vampires are hurt by crosses and others are not. A cross and the Crucifix being similar shapes is merely a coincidence.
On point one, ya. Obviously true. We see it in the show. On point two. No. Vampire castles and lairs have crosshatching and swords, which are shaped as a cross, so no. Unless you're telling me that Vampires build their own safehouses to be the equivalent of a non-Euclidian nightmarescape, but only for themselves? On point three, absolutely not. Calling straight bullshit on this one. The reason some are affected by crosses in the show and some not is not the VAMPIRE'S belief. It's the WIELDER'S belief. "This is not God's house. This is an empty box." Remember that? Perfect example. And the waters of that river near the finale of the Dracula arch got consecrated, and vampires that DIDN'T KNOW THAT HAPPENED burst into flame upon contact. EVERY. ONE. Actions speak louder than words. Don't dismiss evidence presented by the whole of a show just because someone said something later. Think for yourself and just recognize the line as a bad line that made it in through the writing process.
@@Nickle_King "Think for yourself and just recognize the line as a bad line that made it in through the writing process." I don't actually think this is a /bad/ line, not generally so. Its a /bad/ line to go off of for accurate lore telling, but its good from a character feeling realistic standpoint. It shows that this character doesn't entirely know the truth or all inner workings of their environment and universe, and this shows by them contradicting what we, the viewers, have seen and know. It may be infuriating, but it gives the character depth. Because we saw the rules work properly before, we can, if putting thought into it, see that Trevor is likely wrong / was taught wrong here. That said, it'd also be very cathartic to see said character discover they are wrong.
The crosses are linked to magic since ancient times, originally associated with the wind and the cardinal points, like the Egyptian "Ankh cross". About why a cross would confuse a vampire but not a sword (in this universe) is all about the moving shape, the strips of a zebra don't work until it's moving with it's pack, it makes difficult to the predators to distinguish the shape and confuses them, when you hold a sword it loses the "cross" shape because of the wielder's hand and the confusing moving shape is lost.
@@TwinbeeMintIt’s not a cross, it’s just a blade in the shape of a cross. I promise you making something cross shaped arguably just makes it more useless. I prefer the scientific explanation.
By the Cross, God defeated evil, by the Cross, evil is remembered How they were defeated and they cringe. Maybe the most troll action God has done in the history, "you think my Son failed? You think you won Me by killing Him in the cros Actually i predicted this, thank you for your cooperation. You forces my Son to enter the Domain of the Death itself". :) In paralelism, the same feeling the scientists felt at chenorbyl accident, when they saw the reaction going more than expected, then they tried to stop the "problem" with the shut down Button. Actually, after pressing It, It was the "Detonator", in 4 SECONDS everything blew UP, instead of minutes by doing nothing.
@@rubemartur8239 The Cross did not defeat evil, because *_God still exists._* He has the power and refuses to use it for the betterment of His children. If Evil exists, and God is Omnicient, then He is either not Benevolent, or not Omnipotent. If Evil exists, and God is Omnipotent, then He is either not Benevolent, or not Omnicient. If Evil exists, and God is Benevolent, then He is either not Omnicient, or not Omnipotent. If He is all three: then He is *_EVIL,_* and condemning Lucifer as a scapegoat only makes the point more clear. Excuse me while I go surf the lake of fire.
@@CoralCopperHead I’m confused are we talking about the Castlevania universe Christian God or is this an unrelated irl tangent? Either way you’re talking about fiction rn lmao
I love the guard's reaction. After standing around all day with seemingly no threat in sight, a history lesson on weapons is exactly what the Belmont ordered 😂
It's interesting to hear Trevor's explanation, and then *see* how it works in "Nocturne." When Annette traps the plantation owner in a cage of crosses, as she forms the shape of the cross with the iron bars, you see a blinding flash from the vampire's perspective.
Yeah see funny thing nocturne series is made by Netflix entirely as the original castlevania animated series creator either was let go so Netflix being Netflix put their own person in charge after using the animated series creators original stuff as base but obviously not looking at any finer world building information that is presented in the original castlevania animated series cause fuck the original animated series creator am I right?... 1:15
I think it more had to do with Vaublanc being a cowardly bully. Bullies don’t like being stood up against so when he was caged he panicked and couldn’t think straight.
This explanation makes sense until you realize that places where humans and vampires live are made up of pretty much nothing but geometric shapes so vampires should either be almost always confused or have evolved so that geometric shapes dont affect them anymore
He likely only means a few specific geometric shapes. Like how magic eye puzzles fuck with human visual cortexes using mixtures of lines and colors. Or how things that are certain shades of pink become invisible in the desert, etc.
So, if what Trevor is saying is true, does that mean you could put just about *ANY* geometric shape in front of a vampire's field of vision and it still makes them panic? Not just a cross?
Yes. Which is why it's a staggeringly terrible line. Imagine the freakout a Vampire would have if they saw a woven basket with their enhanced vision? Be like a Human staring into Satan's black heart.
I'd imagine they wouldn't go "OH NO ! A TRIANGLE ! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE !!!", but it could actually throw off their focus. A higher vampire would likely just be surprised only for an instant, but for a vampire hunter, sometimes an instant is all you need.
more like they stole it from blindsight, in the original castle vania, they explictly say its divine godness that they fear, and its magic not sci fi like blindsight
My head cannon is that vampires don't fear crosses and crusifixes, it's the precious metals in the crosses like silver that scares them. Even if somebody uses wooden cross, it induces trauma on the vampires.
I like the explanation in the SHIKI Manga and Anime, that for some reason, all religious imagery looks distorted in the Vampires eyes, so that really makes them freak out. Meaning that if people would use a Buddha statuette to fend off a Vampire, they too would freak as with a Cross.
I’ll interpret it as though the magic power of those artifacts is real, but just barely. There’s enough magic power that it fucks with a vampire’s vision but that’s really all the power it offers.
@@basketbomberslackingson4417 Nice way of seeing it. Though I go with their senses since their eyesight, hearing and smell becomes different. That being said, another thing when they see like statuettes, I think that their sense of being becomes an issue since they technically don't breathe (I know I mentioned smell earlier but I'll explain) because when they see a person in the statues it makes them realize that they themselves are like an inanimate object come to life (unlife) and they freak out not sensing anything from those objects. And that is what I meant as "smell" for vampires, instead of breathing for smell, it is like the particles of blood and the receptors that may have formed in their now dead olfactory system are keened on picking up a "smell", like Sharks.
To understand what vampires are afraid of, first we gotta understand how vampires came to be. Vlad Tepes, the first of its kind, became a vampire by renouncing faith & God. Therefore that means, his existence & his offspring existence by nature, is anti-faith. So in order to neutralize his power or existence, is to bring on the objects of faith: Crosses, statue of buddha, prayer beads etc because those items have a lot of faith where people uses them for prayers & worship. Even more so in holy relics becausd those have soaked up faith of several generations, making them even more potent than average religious items. The kind of acid vs. akali relationship is thd way I would explain vampires vs. religious items.
A bit of an odd reason for the writers to add, considering blessed weaponry like the famous Belmont whip has an actual effect on vampires. Do they imagine it turning them to ash as well?
considering the quality of this Netflix adaption this is most likely just a crappy way to try to scientifically explain why they hate crosses. as if it disproves how vampires still hate stuff like light holy water and holy stuff in general. again this is just an ass pull from a crappy Netflix writer
What if i pulled out a Klein bottle would it just confuse them mathematically and also be confused by the geometric shape thus causing them extreme anxiety by just overloading the brain with thoughts
I saw a video explaining the same sometime awhile back. It's interesting how it was brought up again in this show. Edit: it was a video on the Joe Rogan podcast.
One of the best things I love in fiction is they made more scientific ways why certain monsters have a weakness based on folklore. 1. Garlic? Vampires are allergic to them and can cause shock. 2. Crosses and other shape confuses more sensory sensitive predators. 3. Most monsters like vampires are very sensitive to sunlight. Not sure what scientific basis can there be why a silver bullet kills werewolves a lot quicker, or why many monsters in Asian folklore are weak against salt.
The silver werewolf thing could be dumbed down to “different chemical that counts as blood in their bodies, resulting in silver being as poisonous to them as lead is to humans”. I don’t know enough about biology to confirm or expand upon this possibility.
Jacinto: I am Jacinto the great!! Take this!!! *shows cross* Black shirt: *laughs* Your are a dumbass Jacinto, all of my ancestors are Jewish Jacinto: Oh yeah? then look what I've got! *shows nazi svastica* HI HITLER!!!! Black shirt: *screams*
This is basically ripped off from Peter Watts' book "Blindsight," which explains why the vampiric subspecies was wiped out when human civilization started, and making intersecting right-angles, which don't really exist in nature for the most part, was something they needed to do just to build shelter. The vampires were not able to feed on their prey anymore and slowly died out, only coming back through genetic engineering much later, to be used as 4-dimensionaly thinkers.
So glad someone else brought this up. The problem sadly is that this explanation doesn't really work well in the Castlevania universe seeing as the vampires here live among normal geometry all the time. Drac has his huge castle for example. Still though, it's one of the best examples I've seen of a scientific reason for why crosses are effective against vampires.
Unpopular opinion, but this explanation does away with the good vs evil/holy vs unholy aspect of fighting demons and undead. It secularizes what has traditionally been a spiritual weapon against creatures cursed by God. If that's the kind of world they want to portray then fine, but it goes against historic folklore and Castlevania lore as well (see SotN special weapons, for example, that mention holy and sacred effects).
Have.... have you watched the show? The Morningstar Whip that just magically destroys vampires? A vampire army dies due to a priest blessing the river to make it holy and the vampires literally burn in holy fire when falling into the river.
You can have science and god by the way....I mean to be fair if a vampire hunting family or some nut job liked to experiment by flashing symmetrical objects in front of a vampires face to see what it does. Good for them..
I assume it's combination of the two myself. THe shape on it's own does as Trevor says, it just so happens that it's ALSO a religious symbol and often blessed/consecrated as a result. SO a hindu vampire would only get the confusion part whereas a christian vampire gets the full experience.
They don't. That European vampire knows what a christian cross is and seemingly has particular weakness to it. Nocturne shows magic being based on belief. The vampires in India wouldn't recognize the symbol as holy because it had no meaning.@@Danyel615
Alright, time to gush over a minute of filler. This is actually very good exposition. The information delivered is more or less irrelevant, Trevor finds an exotic fantasy weapon that kills vampires better. It’s that delivery that counts though. Trevor is very excited sharing this information with Sylpha, he knows the weapon, he knows its history, he knows its function and he knows how to handle it. Despite being portrayed as a crude vampire punching jock, he’s still well learned in history and basic biology, at least as far as hunting is concerned. That he studied the weapon’s usage and its wielder that he may one day use those tricks aligns with Trevor living vicariously in his family line. Sylpha would also be interested in what he has to say, as she’s the more conventional scholarly mind and seeing Trevor think is a bigger deal than she lets on, and of course recontextualizing the mainstay usage of these symbols creates a mystical divide from our world while also expanding on it. Religious iconography dispelling evil is traditional, based on loose fables of mythical beasts that may have never existed, but in a pragmatic world where demons and vampires are at the forefront and casually raze cities to ashes in defiance of holy establishments, why would hunters still use the cross? Whether we should look deeper into it or not, someone must have played Castlevania again and thought while using the cross: “Is that why he throws it like a pinwheel?”
I laugh when people bring up "Indian vampires" or "Jewish vampires" Vampires are meant to be an inherently Christian thing. it doesn't matter if you don't believe in Jesus, vampires don't get to be an epic atheist who is immune to signs of a guy lmao.
Vampires are definitely not an inherently Christian thing. The concept of vampiric creatures are as old as the Mesopotamian era. There’s also the jiāngshī (aka Chinese vampires), which existed in Chinese folklore long before Christianity came to the east.
@@lpk675 the jiāngshī is also a type of zombie. its really just a type of Chinese undead. Actual vampire lore is tied to the holy and Europe at least the popular ones. if someone was gonna talk about leprocons and I brought up "What about Japanese leprocons?" id sound silly, even if there was a Japanese yokai that was very similar.
@@lpk675 for example you could talk about the Chupacabra saying see thats a Mexican vampire, but thats dishonest and not accurate. its a blood-sucking creator but is not a vampire. we could just as easily talk about mosquitos, its a blood sucker but NOT a vampire.
It's not anti Christian. It's a way to explain why a cross would work on all vampires, even if they don't believe in God. That being said, I do hate what they did with Alucard and that Grant Danasty (one of the 4 playable characters in Castlevania 3) wasn't even a whisper in the entire story.
Modern Hollywood simply cannot put a good note on Christianity lol. 150 years of established folklore? Nah let's give a bs geometric argument about shapes that makes no actual sense.
This is lame as hell. We saw in season 1 that a Christian priest blessing water damages demons. It's so cringe that they'd rather retcon in some r/atheism pseudoscience than stick to the gnostic themes of the source material.
