Vancouver EV Fire Truck BROKEN after ONE MONTH | MGUY Australia 

The cost of this failed firetruck should be deducted from the salaries of all the politicians who decided this was a good idea.

One assumes that it must have diesel engines to pump water no way will a battery one last. Who cares about emissions on a fire truck - the emissions from the toxic fires they attend make that irrelevant. What a joke.

From a small town in upstate NY, the local school just received 2 EV school buses at $490k each with an expected range of 80 miles. We need to go back to one room school houses and bring back the Nuns as teachers and return their paddles

Thanks for providing news to us Canadians that our government doesnt want us to hear.

Trudeau has two roles in the EV circus - ringmaster and clown.

as a british columbian, we are constantly embarrassed by vancouver. bunch of clowns

Haha, what a surprise! My company's Ford lightning just had to have the battery replaced at 14k miles. How awesome to have a vehicle that is out of commission for 2 weeks that just over a year old!

finally, getting the disrespect we deserve! i can't tell you just how delighted i am!

“Phew, we made it to the fire, didn’t think we had enough charge left” “Turn on the pumps” “Bugger!”

Call an emergency fire vehicle, there's an emergency fire vehicle on fire.

Bear in mind that driving to and from the scene is the SMALLEST task a fire pumper will be called upon to perform in an average run. Depending on configuration and intended role, a fire pumper may have to… *pump water (OF COURSE!). This is a VERY power hungry task to do all by itself, and you may be feeding MULTIPLE lines of varying diameter, from a 1 3/4″ attack line to a 2 1/2″ defensive line to a deck gun, and drawing all this water through a 6″ suction inlet that (again, depeding on the role) may be a HARD SUCTION that has to draw from a tank, resivour, or someone’s backyard pool and so doesn’t have any pressure pushing it IN. In a defensive posture, you may have MULTIPLE hand lines drawing several hundred GPM, and/or a deck gun drawing a couple THOUSAND GPM. If the fire is large, widespread, industrial, or has exposures on all sides, you may be there for HOURS just drawing water and throwing it on the adjacent buildings as well as into the fire that continues to burn in the involved structures. Those structures may or may not also contain a vehicle, maybe several vehicles, maybe BATTERY vehicles if it’s a factory with forklifts, maybe LPG vehicles, maybe a BIG tank of flammables somewhere inside or outside that is a CRITICAL exposure if you don’t want a catastropic BLEVE. And you want to trust a battery of unceratain and variable duration, epsecially in very hot or very cold weather and varying driving distances, with THAT?!? Good luck. *Run hydraulics for rescue tools (Rescue pumper configuration). The Jaws of Life, hydraulic shears, hydraulic rams, all are driven off a hydraulic pump. Hydraulic pumps pump at thousands of pounds of pressure. Thousands of pounds of pressure takes a lot of power. Power a battery that’s ALSO running a fire pump and other things may not have. Might make a car extracation interesting if they have to go to hand saws to cut you out. *Scene lighting. ANY fire truck is expected to provide SOME scene lighting, spotlights, floodlights, pole lights, etc., again for the ENTIRE duration of an incident. Granted that LEDs are not as energy hungry as the halogen bulbs of yore, but there’s STILL a SIGNIFICANT energy draw that you need THE WHOLE TIME, on TOP of the pump, the hydraulics, and the regular flashy revolvy lights and various and sundry noisemakers you use to get to the scene, AND the energy you lost GETTING to the scene, and you MIGHT want to be able to get back to charge your truck to be ready for the next emergency so you need some “Bingo Charge” number to assure you can get BACK from the scene, and given that this is a variable distance under variable conditions and variable loads, it’s pretty hard to put a number to this. *Auxilary power equipment. This is things like ventilation fans that can be the difference between saving a structure and saving a life or not because they can direct fire and smoke in the desired direction, hopefully away from unburned areas and/or dying people, as well as greatly improve the TRULY terrible visibility inside a building on fire. This sort of thing is often a corded appliance that plugs into a generator, but I’m not sure you would use your battery vehicle to drive a generator, but if your fans are 110 or 220, you would kinda HAVE to, on TOP of the pump, the hydraulics, and the regular flashy revolvy lights and various and sundry noisemakers you use to get to the scene, AND the energy you lost GETTING to the scene and the scene lighting and the need to be able to return to quarters for your special boy charger. …I’m leaving some things out, but also keep in mind you are dragging around tons of hose, tools, ladders, air tanks, guys, etc., ALL of which need to come BACK, as well as doing normal constant draw things like charging flashlights, powering radios, running AC or heat, keeping the dispatch computer and GPS live, and so forth, and maybe headlights would be nice? All of which has a CONSTANT power cost. And your job may not be done if your truck somehow keeps its charge through all THAT. Emergencies have this nasty tendency to be unscheduled, even inconvenient. So, your guys have got there, deployed, took everything off the truck, put wet on red, did the hot spots, helped in the investigation, walked the hoses, put them, the tools, the air tanks, and themselves back on the truck that by the grace of God still has enough power to get back to quarters…only to have the County call them out for a car fire that just started on the next block. Or they roll up on an unexpected flaming auto accident on the way back. It happens. This isn’t an issue with a diesel truck, but what do you do with your electric? Tell them “We can’t, not enough juice, wait for mutual aid”? Deploy your guys and hope their hose stream doesn’t die while they’re making an attack on something with an entrapped victim? Pray your lights don’t go out when your truck is blocking a highway? What to do, what to do… …and do you have enough time at quarters to recharge your truck before the child care center catches fire due to food on the stove? …guess we’ll find out… …Again, there’s a TON I’m leaving out here, but this should be enought to show how stupid an idea this is. Emergency vehicles are used for unscheduled emergencies under emergency conditions for however long the emergency lasts, and battery power just cannot be trusted for emeregencies. This is asinine and extremely dangerous, and should not be done. Full stop.

Yes Simon this is a subject I have spoken about for a very long time and it not only involves fire trucks but also ambulances, police vehicles, SES vehicles and many other rescue service vehicles. It is simply madness when you think that they would even consider making electric bush fire trucks or any vehicles involved in any form of rescue in our remote rural areas for example when there would be no way of charging the wretched things when out in those remote locations. It cannot be too far into the future when some poor soul dies because of the capacity of a lithium ion battery.

The biggest problem we're up against is that people in government, both federal and local have absolutely no real life experience of anything, let alone anything technical or practical. These are the very people who can't find employment in the real world. They're the ones making bad decisions everyone else ends up paying for

Never mind if Labour get into office they are going to change all our diesel ambulances to EV’s, hugely expensive and with a range of 100 miles before needing charging. The stupidity of this policy is totally crazy

Fire truck story: Detroit, Mi authorities decided to hold a "yard sale". All departments were to bring out stuff they never used. The Detroit Fire Department brought out a fire truck designed to be drawn by horses. Leat one bought before switch to engines. In perfect condition, never used. A collector bought it for $400,000 I think. Yes, changing technologies can create blooper purchases.

A diesel truck can sit on scene and function nonstop for days, being periodically fueled from 5 gallon cans. Having done this several times over my career, I'd love to know how the elec -trick version will pull this off.

I wonder if an EV fire truck will be able to extinguish itself in the case of a thermal runaway

If a diesel fire truck sits in a garage waiting to be repaired, there will be no tailpipe emissions either

If this fire truck is meant for downtown core then it will probably never drive more than 2km from the station. Most of the calls will be for responding to overdoses and other medical emergencies, which are the majority of their calls these days.

As a former firefighter 297 ACT FIRE BRIGADE, water, fire, electricity and huge lithium batteries can, NOT A GOOD MIX

" My house is on fire " " We're charging the truck , it will be an hour and a half 'til it's finished " "My house will be burned down by then " " Can you try to keep it alight 'til we get there . this thing cost fortune "

On Joe Bidens first day as POTUS I remember a bunch of EV contracts and stocks being signed by the upper echelon of Democrats. I always say, follow the money as to why certain agendas are forced upon the respective societies

Thank you so much for these videos.

The term Firetruck always meant a truck that puts out fire's, now the Firetruck is the fire.

Funny you bring up a Canadian story. Today I was at Banff, and for some odd reason outside the gondola, I was having a conversation with Bus Driver who shuttles skiers & tourists from Edmonton to various places through Jasper and Banff. He told me his employer had one Electric bus in its fleet for under a month and returned it. And that was the end of the company’s experiment of electric buses. Something interesting I learned from him was that the luggage storage was greatly reduced to make way for the batteries.

First we had Monty Python, then Bottom, Father Ted and now we have...CANADA.

Good morning. Always great videos and thank you. I did not even know they made a EV fire/emergency vehicles. I call that deadly.

To be fair, Rosenbauer probably make the world's best fire appliances. Their electric appliances, which have now been manufactured for a few years and are used in many European countries as well as the USA and now Canberra, are very reliable. The problems have been mainly with the pumping and water systems, not the electric motors or components. It is wrong to call out problems where they do not exist.

Where are the councils and local governments getting all the money to buy all this stuff? Wasn't long ago they could not afford to keep and maintain their ancient fleet of vehicles. How can you have a fire truck made with a fire bomb that can explode if the battery gets wet or too hot?

A range of about 100km !!! Does that include the running of the pumps and ancillary systems that a fire truck would need I wonder ??

People don't realize how complicated EVs are. They're just told the motors have very few parts, but they don't know about all the other electronic and cooling systems to make it all work.

The battery on electric fire trucks here is “window dressing”. A good size diesel generator “range extender” dies most of the heavy work long term. Most fire trucks are hand assembled from pre made subassemblies like axles, engines, pumps, transfer cases, transmissions. Thus they often fail in the first months. I was a paid on call fire fighter first 12 years. In the two departments I was a part of new deliveries were “trialed”, trained with and tested heavily before entering service. Typical example of early failures, on a new delivery truck the parking brake release air line was wrongly routed through a suspension pinch point. Going down the road that air line was severed, parking brakes came on and system air pressure dropped. We halted on the side of the road and called the department’s mobile mechanic. It was about a 15 minute fix.

Honestly, Canada makes Australians look smart by comparison. And that is an incredibly low standard.

When one thinks about a Firetruck or any emergency service vehicle, it doesn't take very long to realize that driving to the scene of something like a fire, is not the only thing a vehicle has to do. It has to have flashing emergency lights and a siren during the trip. It has to have lights on at the scene. It has to operate water pumps and it could easily be required to do this for many hours or even days for a single event. In the recent past, Canada had huge brush fires that went on for months. How would an EV firetruck cope with demands like that using only lithium battery packs regardless of weather and rate of demand for power? An EV firetruck would also have to monitor how much power it has remaining so it has enough to get back to the charging station. Does anyone know how these EV firetrucks work? Do they also have fossil fuel powered generators and pumps? If they do, then having them use batteries for mobility makes even less sense.

Your content rocks bro! keep going

As a fourth generation Canadian I am sick to death of the direction that was a great country is going. We are now a laughing stock but lead the world in idiocy

Water and high voltage electricity, I remember having seen somewhere that this combination is not a good one.

1.8 million? Really... Who the F ordered this? Keep the things that work.

Hello from Connecticut, USA! Always enjoy your common sense videos!

Oh you have no idea how delighted we are!

The UK government are trying to force an all EV Ambulance service , what could possibly go wrong with that idea ?!

"It can go 100 miles on a single charge" BUT How long can it PUMP WATER?

As a veteran firefighter I can say I have never heard of water tank issues on a new fire engine. The ev cannot sustain extended pump times like a diesel. I heard it does 2 hrs max. Maybe the companion truck will be a Hugh diesel generator that follows the event around .

They called 911, and when the operator asked which do you need, police, ambulance or fire department, the caller realized that he would be calling himself and hung up.

In my city the local police is using the renault zoe ev version as a patroling car (like you are gonna be able to chase someone in that thing), problem is after 10 months some started to have problems, every single one of them costed as much as 3 of the prevoius cars they had and every broken one had a battery replacement service for 10k+ each. Those things can't even put the siren at full volume cause it depleates the battery too quickly, we live in a joke right now. Oh yeah, they also went for ev busses and they decided to reduce the number of loops around the city cause they can't make more then a few before they have to charge them, so instead of finding a decent solution (cause it would have meant to buy way more busses then normal), they reduced the number of runs. GG govs, that's why people love you

Most have no idea how Fire Trucks operate. Pumpers rely on the deisel engines to power the water pumps at fire, and they have to run at high rpm for long periods of time in order to keep the pressure up. EVs simply cannot do this.

I wonder what the council persons got as a kick back . A nice little Christmas bonus I bet

Fire engines used to drive out to a fire and be used to put them out. Now we have become so much more efficient that the fire truck can be the source of the fire and it can do it at the fire station so the fire fighters dont have to even travel anywhere to attend the fire.

It could become an interesting experiment in fighting fire with fire with a fire truck on fire.

We now have EV ambulances just rolled out in the UK !

A fire truck uses the big diesel to pump the water at an increased pressure. The trucks also often carry water, maxing out the weight of the truck. So a huge battery would negate the water with is often needed when water isn't available. Think rural areas.

Absolutely ridiculous, they should be held accountable, vote them out!

A range of a whole 100kms. Once on site at a fire,does the vehicles main battery power all the pumping equipment and spotlights,ladders ? The whole thing might give up the ghost while actually fighting the fire. Then it has to get u home as well

I hear comments help do... Well done mate keep the content coming

I recently saw a comment comparing EVs to cheap appliances. It's sometimes cheaper to just buy a new one when it breaks

"Help! My house is on fire!" "Sorry sir, currently putting out the fireEV, which is on fire. The second unit is currently charging"

Ev emergency vehicles OMG what next

BTW, it’s a lot less expensive than they stated for the cost of a diesel fire engine. They are less than half of the quoted price of the electrified heap. As a retired firefighter, I can tell you that fire engines typically set on scene for extended periods of time pumping water, flashing light and generators running, etc., sometimes for hours. No way that EV pumper is a good idea.

I can’t imagine the water truck having an electrical fire problem itself, causing things around it to burst into flames and the inability to use the water in the vehicle to douse the resulting inferno. For six hours. Never mind the poisonous black smoke.

The Rosenbauer electric fire truck has a 300 bhp "auxiliary" diesel engine to drive the fire pump or the truck when the batteries are flat.

"It can go 100kms on a single charge!" but then needs 6 hours to charge itself somewhere in order to get back to the station. One it gets back to the station it will need another 6 hours to get ready for another call out.

As a retired fire service engineer, the first question that popped into my head was: How long will the water pump motor run? I've been at large commercial fires where I've pumped water for several hours. What do they do when the truck runs out of battery on an active fire scene? Switch in a new truck and tow this one back to the firehouse? What do they do when the batteries are almost dead from being at a large fire and then get called out again before they can recharge the battery?

Right up there with Edmonton purchasing a bunch of EV transit buses, half of the 60 that were delivered are down for repairs, and the bus manufacture has gone bankrupt.

911, what is your emergency? my house is on fire. okay sir, you'll have to be patient, our firetruck is currently charging

In the uk they have a “back up “ V6 petrol engine which in reality will be essential to keep pumping water over extended periods.

Great video

Recently I read an article here in Alberta, Canada concerning electric transit buses. Several years ago when I was living in Edmonton , the city was piloting some BYD electric transit buses. They were satisfied with their shorter route performance, so they purchased several more. Since then, which I am quite sure that there was a lot of political pressure from the US government, it was decided to purchase a much larger number of US made electric buses. These buses turned out to be nothing but junk and within a very short period of time more than half of the busses have broken down and are out of service with availability of replacement parts being a big concern. The city recently filed an $82 M claim against the manufacturer, Proterra, which is going bankrupt and facing a list of nearly 1300 claims against them. It is hard to fathom the level of incompetence.

The building is burning and blasting fumes while firefigters just watch as their electric fire truck ran out of power.

And i bet they have massive diesel generators charging them when not in service.

I'm in Canada, I got a bonus for being an extremely hard worker for my company. The federal gov took 44% of it in tax because bonuses somehow grant them more. They take so much tax they can just be irresponsible with how they spent. That fire truck is a great example.

I'm a Canadian, and I'm sad to say, I live 105 kms. from Vancouver. I was sooo looking forward to see that new truck put out the fires in our homeless camps.

what sort of fire truck will they use when the EV fire truck self immolates in the fire station whilst on charge?

I'm a volunteer in an emergency service (rural area) and we've had to go to an emergency about 100km from our base. In an electric truck weighing over 8 tonnes and climbing a mountain I don't think we would've got there in the first place and if we had we certainly wouldn't be able to get back without having to charge. Oh did I mention that it was snowing.

As a born CANADIAN citizen I am embarrassed by the idiocy of our country on the world stage

Don't forget who owns/controls most of the Cobalt Mines! "80% of the DRC's cobalt output is owned by Chinese companies, refined in China, and then sold to battery makers around the world." Nov 14, 2023

We all know that water and electricity get on together like a house on fire!😂😅

The problem is not the leak. Or perhaps even the delay in it being off the road. That's seemingly unrelated to it being an EV. The problem is the cost, and the apparent deficiencies in performing its core role.

Not to mention a leaking water tank and Lithium batteries are a great combination.

I think you could probably run ALL firetrucks in Canada for a year, with the amount of fuel trudeau goes through on his numerous annual holidays!

The new Soviet styled Canada is constantly finding new depressing ways to help you shuffle off this mortal coil. What a time to be alive, oops I mean dead, I can't keep up!

100km range! I can just imagine how great that would be for Rural and Country Fire Brigades and SES units in Australia where units often travel long distances, including at times interstate. "Sorry need to stop and recharge for 20-40 minutes". Meanwhile the Diesel and Petrol units go another 500km before stopping to spend 10 minutes refueling.

As a Canadian I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said. Our federal goverment has no basis in reality

Craigslist love how they keep saying their environmentally friendly is there a strip mining everything and then when one catches fire it burns for days and the water that they use approximately 100,000 gallons or more is all toxic waste now

It's been a while since I read any headline referencing Canada, in which a good or sensible process or decision took place. They have fallen off a cliff.

Some of the Green Godess auxilliary vehicles are still in service in some countries 70 years after they were made.

Totally AGREE about ! Not only about emergency vehicles being EV'd, but EV's in general. Imagine an ambulance racing to a hospital with a patient suffering possible heart attack and THEN? "Sorry Mate! We need to charge the battery! We're running out of juice!"

Fire service is paid for by residents of the city of Vancouver via property taxes. Vancouver city has a history of weird stuff like bike lanes no one uses in the downtown and planting a grass roof on the convention center. Fortunately, metro Vancouver doesn't share a lot of stuff, the main exception being transit.

A water tank in a fire truck? Who would have expected that?

Considering it was a leak in the water tank, the same fault would have sidelined a diesel fire truck so in this one instance I'm not sure it's fair to point the finger at it being an electric fire engine.

As the owner of a Tesla, I agree with this 100%. However, a leaky water tank had NOTHING to do with it being electric. NOTE: A small diesel generator can power/charge an electric vehicle while using far less fuel than a full sized engine.

I'm Canadian and I'm so discouraged and disillusioned by our out of control woke prime Minister. Electric emergency vehicles is the most ridiculous, impractical, craziness only an environmental nut job could believe is a good idea. Fire trucks can be on a scene for several hours, even days. Diesels can be easily refueled on-site in minutes. I hope and pray my municipality is smart enough not to by one of those white elephants. Sad thing is Canada is becoming a cesspool of socialism, wokeness, and environmental crazines. I love your posts, we need your voice of reason and reality. Keep up the great work

That water leak was a design feature and was there to keep the battery cool, or to help control the inevitable battery meltdown.. When people think if a Fire Truck they normally think of a truck that puts fires out, not to actually start the fires..

In the uk the NHS plan is to implement electric ambulances 🚑

An acquaintance who is a firefighter in Canada, told me that they have a diesel generator to charge the truck, in case the intervention lasts more than an hour or two or if it is cold, yes it is the case in Canada, it's silly right.?.

That fire truck has an "energy backup system": A 3.0 Liter 300HP 6 Cylinder BMW Clean Diesel Engine. While that is comforting to know, it also means that truck isn't just hauling around these heavy batteries but a backup diesel engine too. As for the 100 km reach, I wonder if that was calculated with some actual firefighting included, or if after those 100 km you'd need the "energy backup system" to power the pumps.

You watching this Chris Bowen?

The uk government just decided to switch to electric ambulances.

Saving the environment is apparently a higher priority than saving the citizens of Vancouver. I would think the smoke from the fires they fail to extinguish, because the trucks can't get there, is worse than the exhaust the older trucks would have produced.

The electric bit is just for fun. The real deal is the BMW, 300 bhp, six cylinder diesel unit providing auxiliary power. Read primary for auxiliary.

I seem to recall that the ACT has at least one ev fire truck.