Yeah - he moans about the interpretation of rules not being consistent, and then proposes that a rule as clear as ‘if you are last man and commit a foul on a player running through, it’s a red card offence’ be changed to incorporate the ‘recovery pace of defenders’ running back behind him 😂
While Bernardo was backing into the keeper… he wasn’t off side he only became in an offside position when stones headed the ball that was after Sa pushed him away.. at the point stones headed the ball… Bernardo was ducked out the way… anything that happened previous to that is irrelevant in the off side rule.. it’s really not difficult…
People are too lenient toward Arsenal’s daftness. Didn’t Gabriel touch the ball when they played Bayern last season, and people were waving it off as an innocent mistake
Really bringing up one incident champions league compared to crap we’ve seen from the refs this season already is embarrassing, stop deflecting from how bad they are because you hate Arsenal 😂
@@AidenOLonethree red cards thus far. You should be glad you are not the manager. How the team reacts is within their control, how they make decisions is within their control. Focus on that rather than referee decisions. It’s like blaming the weather for not cooperating.
Both red cars in my opinion. You can't speculate that some defender MIGHT reach him because of pace difference. If you've got a clear path with the ball towards the goalkeeper with no defenders in front of you, its ALWAYS a red, unless its a penalty.
Both decisions were right for me. The issue is if Wolves scored that goal in the last second to beat City it would have been disallowed, and if the Saliba incident happened to a City defender they definitely aren’t getting sent off.
Yea your bias is unreal. Bernardo is literally 5’8 and was crouching in front of the keeper. He clearly didn’t impede his vision, and if you want to call that weak push a foul then you might as well call off half of Arsenals set piece goals this season, including Gabriel’s versus City.
You need VAR, it's bloody rubbish, the answer is to fix it rather than scrap it. Do we all not remember life before VAR and how we all shouted at the refs to get the technology introduced? The referee's training is horrendous. Needs sorting. Not the tech. Works in rugby, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc.
The Arsenal arguement is not irrelevant, they block the keeper on every corner, I guarantee they aren’t always onside because they stand on the goal line and I’ve no doubt they cause obstruction as well.
@@pytrisss yes mate, but mark said he thinks the issue with silva was that he was standing in an offside position and he should be classed as in-play if he obstructs the keeper. I was saying that the arsenal players are behind the defenders on the goal line and also obstruct the GK so they would be classed as off side as well, from what mark said
@@GIBBO4182By making a move towards the ball or blocking the keeper view.. Did Bernardo do any of both? No, case closed.. Interfering is irrelevant because he was onside before the header
I've been saying this for months that more teams need to do what Arsenal have been doing to opponent's GK during corner kicks for two seasons now. Shove the GK to throw him off as the ball is kicked, and then either stand your ground so that the GK cannot reach to punch the ball or just use two players to completely block the GK's movement across the goal line.
Mark, as a wolves fan thank you so much for breaking it down and bringing up what happened last season at West Ham, one of the only big team pundits that’s on our side
If you are the last defender and you foul the opposition player it is a red card end of story there is no accounting for the recovery Pace of other players. Tossin should have had a red card as well
Didn’t Bruno score against City when Rashford was in an “offside position” a few years ago? And when he didn’t touch it, it was given. Bernardo didn’t interfere with play. It’s goal, just like Bruno’s. Let’s have some consistency here.
I don’t understand why people are complaining about the Bernardo Silva incident on the gk. He was in the way of the keeper when the ball was played in to the box while he was in an onside position, there’s no foul there so it’s a goal. After stones heads the ball he’s moved away and not interfering therefore it’s a goal. Pretty simple really.
In short, referees really need to get some consistency. Just because team names changed on the scoresheet, it should not change the verdict of same foul. Same fouls should result in same verdict. If one of them was red, both should be red, and if one of them was yellow other one should be yellow too.
These comments are laughable. Howard Webb shouting about not re-refereeing the game but allowing VAR to get involved when it’s not necessary. Shambolic
I know Mark makes 80% of his content from VAR, but don't you think if it wasn't there we'd be having the "that ref didn't give the same decision in our game for a similar offence" just the same if not more? The rules are subjective, if they make a decision based on the rules, pundits say they're wrong because they haven't played the game 😅
I think the City goal should stand and yes Saliba should have been sent off. You're looking for perfection which isn't possible as its a game of opinions and there will be some inconsistency as there are variables in every decision.
Goldbridge, Bernardo was already a yard to the side before stones heads the ball directly at the keeper above his head. He's not in line of sight and not in contact. Before the header, he isnt offside because it was a corner
Tosin only got a yellow because the ball was going out to the side of the pitch, when saliva did it the ball was at the center of the pitch and therefore it was a goal scoring opportunity
In rugby the ref uses VAR as a tool to help him if he feels he missed something. VAR is never dictated to him, hes never told to look at something. Webb on the podcast said only twice has a ref stuck to his original decision after viewing a var replay and he said it as if its a good thing. Hes clueless and has ruined football
the arguement is common sense Vs the letter of the law and sometimes they apply one only, but ultimately common sense has to be an overarching theme, which i think society s finding harder and harder to apply
Lots of respect for Will, nice to see someone being objective and speaking sense. Instead of pushing the same agenda. Don’t think Mark remembers the 90/00s and how refs were with United 😂😂😂
The issue is VAR not referees. I’m a neutral but whenever I watch Arsenal games i can’t help but notice the VAR refs are extra stringent with Arsenal for some reason
With the two last man red cards decisions. In the Arsenal game the ball is curving into the attackers path, in the Liverpool one the ball is curving towards the touch line, and not into the attackers path, so he would have to check his run to the right.
If you take out your ruler and protracter you can clearly see the trajectory of the ball when you apply the Pathagorean Theory that the Chelsea one is not a red
Common theme here with mark: If a decision benefits man city it is wrong and the other team got robbed If a decision goes against arsenal they have been robbed, its never the arsenal players fault for making a mistake its always the ref He likes to say use common sense but all of a sudden for the city goal we have to look at the rulebook. Arsenal players wrestle the goalkeeper on every single corner, i didn’t see any outrage about those goals Also how the hell is the ball travelling away from the goal too technical for football but bernardo backing into the keeper whilst being onside isn’t too technical. Hes not even trying to hide it at this point.
This guy is telling VAR shouldn't have been this week because man utd won a game lets see if some decision goes his teams way and be some what will he say the same thing he is a joke nowadays
Take Andy Coles Newcastle and United years against Mo Salah's liverpool years. Remove PK goals and Andy Cole has a better goals per game percentage. Both great players just gotta drill more into the numbers
The VAR should only be used as an assistance to the ref on the field. VAR should not make any calls unless it is a violent conduct that the ref may not have seen. That and goals that may or may not have crossed the line. the game was better before VAR.
Definitely offside for city. We can’t sit here and say it’s not a goal scoring opportunity on both Chelsea and Arsenal plays. That’s what ifs that base decisions on. The fact of the matter is both defenders decided to foul instead of letting the strikers through. It’s either both yellow or both red. We cant be making decisions based on what ifs. It needs to be set in stone. If this happens then it is this. Then the refs need the balls to stick to it.
Can’t be offside until Stones heads the ball at which point Silva has already moved and is no longer impeding the Keepers vision. Goal given is the straight forward and correct decision.
@@dxjjw there is no point in arguing with someone who doesnt even know football rules. Let them have it, you wont change their opinion. Saying Silva was offside is pure "0 ball knowledge"
The thing I i don't like is the difference in refereeing between Europe and the PL. Watkins was brought down twice against Bayern's last man and he recieved 1 yellow card.
I think both sides should have two VAR appeals each. The ref makes his decision and unless the Manager asks for a VAR appeal his decision is final. Once your two appeals are used you have to accept the refs decision.
In cricket they get three appeals if they get a successful appeal they keep there appeals yet if they are proved opposite than the lose one when they lose all of them they have no more options .They also have a maximum of 30 second after the event to call an appeal .this is were in football it maybe a problem.With football being fast paced it would affect the pace of the game and than it may be used as a dark art tool
I hate the PGMOL and not a fan of Man City either but Silva isn't offside when he's backing into the Goalie as it's from a corner, once Stones touches the ball he's out of the way
Grasping at straws with the City game-winner. And the 'clear and obvious' argument is nonsense too. Linespeople have been instructed to flag (after the conclusion of the play) if it's even close, so it's perfectly reasonable to look at it in the VAR room.
Because it is arsenal, everybody will laugh because of the garbage fanbase. But the truth is this in the span of 24 hours we saw two different outcomes for the same foul. The ref in the arsenal match yave a yellow then VAR intervened and upgraded it to a red. The ref in the chelsea match gave a yellow, no VAR intervention. Why did VAR intervene in the arsenal decison? What was different about that? Why has no other player this season been carded for delaying restarts ( i.e gotten a second yellow). The inconsistency is what is jarring.
@@minigrande1939 the arsenal fanbase is pretty horrible. Some of the takes I have seen this week alone are shocking... And the fact that they bend over backwards to try to appease to other fanbases (who openly mock them) because they are sooo inseccure. Yeah not really the best
I think mark is contradicting himself, he is asking for consistency in decisions but then asking the refs to make the call about soft second yellows. If you want consistency, shouldn’t a yellow card challenge be a yellow card challenge regardless of whether the person is on a yellow or not
This guy is the worst football content creator. Imagine saying if man city didnt score arsenal would win, if arsenal didnt get a red card they would win.... what the heck? If arsenal won the league they would have won the league.... but they didnt....
Are people really okay with not being able to properly celebrate a goal? Or sitting around for 5 minutes praying that they get a red card review correct? VAR is so crap. And side note, what happened to the semi-automated offside we were promised after the first international break??
How difficult is it to understand every game is different!! There is no blanket decision every game is played to the refs interpretation of the rules!!!! It will never change
The city goal was borderline as the keeper was still recovering from the interference, but technically, Silva wasn't interfering once Stones made the header, i think in situations like that you should keep the on field decision which was offside
Goldbridge needs to realise this, the people in the comments who are saying that the Man City goal was a clear goal, are not "knobheads who support Man City" we are viewers of the channel. I support Villa, and I think Saliba was right to be sent off, and that Man City goal was a legit goal. Stop disrespecting the viewers lad!
See the Liverpool game? Even though we all know what’s happening, for the sake of subtlety they could have been consistent just this once. The Wolves game was more telling. That decision at the end of the game summed it up. Going against the team that’s been cheated the most by the Pgdumbol last 3 seasons against the team that’s been most favoured unfairly by them.
Am done this is happening for only Arsenal since last season this season 7 games 4 red cards WTF don’t tell that’s normal cuz it’s not , what da fuck haward shit is doing in Arsenal game am done this EPL script it’s shambles
Salibas was a red, Tosun was not. Saliba was completely wrong side of evanilson and brought him down intentionally. Tosun yes clumsy but there is also another CB far closer than the arsenal situation. Goldbrige will channel his city hate through praising and protecting Arsenal.
For saliba he was the one who committed the foul, and white was the chaser. For chealse tosin commited the foul and colwill was the chaser. Using saliba as the chaser doesnt make sence becasue he commited the foul
I Think The saliba red card could have been either or, but The tosin one, The Ball doesnt even go towards The goal? Atleast The Bournemouth one had a clear goal scoring oppertunity
It doesn’t really matter where the ball was going. He’s brought him down to stop him getting a run on goal. He wouldn’t have fouled him if he didn’t think he was going anywhere.
@@BasketCase-rr7tx it does matter, you dont get a red card for fouling someone at The halfway Line, You get a red for stopping a clear goal scoring oppertunity. So if The Ball goes towards the sideline, it’s not a “clear” oppertunity
@@lslsllslslkshvhgdhdjdd4835 the rule is the last man mate if you take out the last man that’s a red it’s that simple it’s got to be always a red on the last man or never and the same rules for everyone
back in the day we were taught to test the referee as players throughtout the game and was always known that referees have different personalities and treat every each referee differently to the other now "football fans" want them like robots having the same program in the brain what do you mean consistency when you disagree with your friend about a decision every post-match
Why are you guys even debating whether we should have VAR. Its now embedded in international and all top level leagues so it won't be undone. What needs to happen is improving it. Lets talk about that otherwise vids like this are pointless
