Various hardware reviews: Photodon overlays, Cintweak keyboard trays, real bugs, and Intuos Pro.

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Improvements, modifications and tweaks at home with my tablets: I put an overlay sheet of Photodon on my XP-Pen 24 Artist Pro, I adapt a keyboard tray made for Cintiq for the XP-Pen 24 Artist Pro and Cintweak helps me, I then test their Universal UNI-X keyboard tray. I have a real bug issues, trapped under the glass of the XP-Pen and I tear down the tablet, and then I got a gift from Wacom and discover the too grainy overlay surface of the Intuos Pro Large tablet.
Chapter:
0:25 Photodon MHX overlay review
2:07 CinTweak Keyboard Tray for XP-Pen
3:12 CinTweak Uni-X Review
3:52 Real bug trapped inside the XP-Pen screen
5:41 Intuos Pro Large review about the grainy overlay surface
7:06 Conclusion
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@Grymt Год назад

Hi David! So, why did you change to the Wacom? Was it just the bug, or what are the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other? Seems an important part of a review, really 😀

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Hey, good point. I already prefered "non display tablet" over the last 20 years (I owned the Cintiq21UX, the Cintiq22HD, a Cintiq13HD and the XP-Pen 24 Artist Pro) and I always spent more time on the 'large' Intuos tablet (I had the Intuos 3 for a very long period, and also a Intuos 4 XL for long too), for context. The thing I loved about the Intuos Large Pro, was something about its resolution and a sort of built-in micro path smoothing (I guess, might be placebo). The pressure curve length is also super long (too long, I have to use only the first 75%). And I like the immediate plug-n-play support with my GNU/Linux system. It's full size active area is like 6cm width smaller than my previous custom area of comfort I set on all the too big active area of my ex - Intuos 4 XL. The thickness on the desk is really cool, it's like the thickness of a magazine and the bevel around is smooth and doesn't grab the hair of my arms. The black sort of aluminium feeling of the case remains always cold (and in September, with the high temperature here that was a relief), and the overall experience is in average easier compared to all the tweaks I was going on to get a better workflow with the XP-Pen 24 Artist Pro; or dealing with the thickness of the Intuos 4 XL and custom area calibration. But as I said on the video: even with all these advantages, I still have the nostalgia of drawing on a screen tablet.

@Grymt Год назад

@@DavidRevoy Thank you! That helps :) I work with a Intuos Pro Medium from 2013. My nibs are quite long lasting (I guess because I don't draw as much as you do, at all) But to me the surface is almost a little bit like sandpaper: my pen stutters on it, and I would like it to be smoother. Paper isn't smooth like glass, of course, but it's not hard either. I think I'd rather draw on smooth glass then on sandpaper :) I was thinking about changing to Xencelabs Pen Tablet or maybe even to X-Pen, as I have difficulty to automate my hand-eye coordination with a tablet without screen. I know you could buy the smooth replacement sheets for Intuos, but they seemed to have stopped selling those. If anyone would know which protector I could buy that will work on it, I would e grateful! Thanks David, for your videos and brushes!

@DavidRevoy Год назад

@@Grymt 🙂 I used to really like the Huion WH1409 overlay sheet, they have some on their eshop and they are not expensive compare to the competition. But they are smooth like Intuos 3 era tablet; They are at least large to make DIY, that's the one I had on my Intuos 4 XL, and my Intuos 4 Medium for travelling has a piece of it too (I bought 3 overlays when I saw they were good for my need to DIY). Unfortunately, they are too small to cover the full Intuos Pro Large area.

@Grymt Год назад

@@DavidRevoy Thanks again! Alas, the Huion WH1409 surface sheets seem to have sold out. I guess I can buy any other Huion sheet that's big enough, and then try to cut it so it fits? Sorry for all the questions!

@DavidRevoy Год назад

@@Grymt Oh no, sold out! Ok, I'm glad I still have a spare one in the garage for my future replacement. I haven't tested other one, but I guess it is safe to assume they have a sort of overlay standard (more or less) between their model. Cutting those is usually easy, here the only thing I do is to use a thin sand paper (T400) to smooth the edge after cutting them and make the rounded corner. This way, it's smooth and well finished.

@Igor9S Год назад

Just want to add some tips to folks who are planning to use Wacom Intuos Pro 2, how to resolve nib issue: 1. The David's way 2. Replace nib to the Titanium alloy one. It cost around 4$ at aliexpress 3. Buy 40+ regular nibs from China too, costs around 10$. Of course, they are not original, but work really well. 4. Wacom have "Wacom Replacement Sheets", they going in 3 texture type of roughness. One sheet costs 40$ (L size) :) 5. Buy protector for tablet that has smooth surface. The quality one costs around 20$ at amazon. 6. If you haven't Intous Pro 2 or any L size Wacom tablet, better buy a used, it should be already smoothed. Or even one of previous Intuos Pro generation (Intuos 3,4, 5, Pro 1). Costs from 20$ up to 200$

@drummertp12 Год назад

that cintweak keyboard tray looks very interesting. I think ima try that out

@yavnrh Год назад

Funny that real life hardware bugs happen to this day! 🙂Too bad it was your tablet, of course. I also have a screen tablet and a pen tablet, but I very rarely take out the screen one. There's just too much going for a pen tablet -- the ergonomics, being able to use a larger screen, a higher refresh rate... Also I'm a bit scared that if I get used to a screen tablet too much, I'll have trouble using a pen tablet again.

@gorgenfol Год назад

I feel ya with that bug. I put sticky tape on the edges of my cintiqs to avoid that from happening after a critter got in there but luckily left again. I'd rather have ugly tape on the front than bugs in the picture, but it sure isn't ideal

@Figuremakr Год назад

I use Photodon covers on all my tablets., including on my Cintiq 22hd (applied perfectly in bathroom w steam from shower to remove dust)

@duckyisded6167 Год назад

Amazing video showing off the hardware! I actually have a question. I use a huion kamvas 22 plus and saw the universal cintweak keyboard trays are now out. The one issue I have with the kamvas is its lack of express keys and the keyboard sits in an uncomfortable place on my desk. Should I invest in a monitor arm so I could place the keyboard under the monitor or should I get the keyboard tray? (Some would argue preferably both but it'd cost a tad bit)

@neilbiggadike5094 Год назад

Hi David, It is interesting to hear about your problems with your XP-Pen 24Pro. My XP-Pen 24Pro just died. Very frustrating but no power goes into it and I tried to get it repaired to no avail. This is an expensive piece of kit and I will not buy another XP-Pen as a result.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Outch! Oh my, I understand. That's hard. Mine has a 18 months of warranty, and I'm still in it (the default legal period in Europe). Unfortunately, it will expire in summer and I think the tablet will be in my closet on its cardboard until the warranty expire. What have you bought to replace it?

@mako_matt Год назад

Hello David, pour le manque de place, il est possible d'acheter des armatures de "tiroirs" à fixer sous le bureau, comme ça tu peux fixer un plateau en bois coulissant sous le bureau sur lequel tu peux poser ta tablette, c'est stable, j'en ai une pour mon clavier et ma souris ;)

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Salut! Merci du conseil, en effet j'y ai jamais pensé. Ca serait chouette d'avoir toute la XP-Pen caché comme ça. Je vais regarder à ça.

@TennojiM Год назад

Ahhh... Looks like youtube do not like links in comments. Anyway... For intuos tablet titanium nibs is kind of good solution agains nibs wearing off. Also to make paper like feel of the intuos surface, you can simply cover it with paper... it will not affect elecromagnetic field at all. I have an article on my site about few hardware and software tricks.

@mokmatsurustudio 11 месяцев назад

Suggestion to improve Intuos Pro. Measure and buy a piece of 2mm glass and place on top of the tablet. Then, stick a layer of protective film of your choice on top. Maybe the same protective film u use on your XP-Pen and enjoy your new intuos pro surface. :-) I have a intuos small with a glass sheet add on without protective film, I love the smoothness of the glass surface. let me know if you would like to see a picture of it :-)

@farahdouibi9366 Год назад

Bonjour David, Merci pour cette vidéo ! J'avais une vieille Wacon Intuos 3 (A5 Wide) que j'ai acheté à mes 20 ans dans les 480€). Il y a 4 ans environ, pour du mieux, la Wacom Intuos Pro 5 Medium (8192 niveaux de pression au lieu de la moitié pour la plus ancienne). Résultat, une mine trop usée au bout de 2 minutes de dessin ^_^ J'ai été tellement étonnée car en plusieurs années de dessin avec ma vieille tablette Intuos 3, jamais je n'ai usé ma première mine, qu'elle qu'aie été ma pression sur le stylet. Mais là, en faisant juste un test de pression (un tracé de léger à appuyé), j'avais entamé la moitié de ma mine et biseauté qu'elle était, il ne m'était plus possible de dessiner avec. J'ai contacté le SAV et leur ai envoyé la vidéo de cette expérience avec une deuxième mine, et ils m'ont dit qu'ils savaient que ça s'usait vite, mais que c'était une demande des clients qui voulaient une sensation plus proche du vrai crayon (donc qui s'use)... J'ai été sceptique, mais étant donné que j'avais la surface la plus lisse possible avec la mine le plus solide de ce stylet unique pour cette tablette, j'ai fini par revendre la tablette (inutilisable pour mes besoins de dessinatrice) et racheter en occasion une vieille Wacom Intuos 3 (incassable) avec son style et ses mines (inusables) à 70€ environ. Quel plaisir ! C'est dommage, car je ne crois pas être la seule à avoir été choquée par le niveau d'usure des mines. Les forums regorgent de messages en ce sens. A part cela, la tablette était parfaite. Donc à part que je ne pouvais pas dessiner avec 🤣 Je partage donc ton désarroi face à l'usure de tes mises. Merci encore pour ton partage d’expérience !

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Merci Farah! Oui je me souviens qu'il y avais eu une pétition vers 2009/2010 à la sortie de la gamme Intuos 4 pour ce revêtement: sois disant c'était fait pour avoir de meilleur sensation de dessin. Ayant bien testé, oui, d'un côté, un peu de grain fait pas de mal dans les sensations mais c'est certain que c'est au prix d'avoir à changer les mines plus souvent jusqu'a atteindre cet état. Un gros merci à un ami qui m'a dit de prendre patience, que ça allait se lisser assez rapidement, sinon elle serait resté au placard. Du coup, je vois vraiment pas l'intéret de cette modification chez Wacom si c'est aussi temporaire et ennuyant juste le premier mois d'utilisation. Ah, oui, ça m'a fait acheter un pack de mine supplémentaire qui m'a couté bien plus que le prix du plastique ^__^`

@farahdouibi9366 Год назад

@@DavidRevoy Merci ! Je ne savais pas qu'il fallait user les premières mines pour cet effet. Personnellement, sur les conseils du SAV, j'ai commandé la sheet lisse (sur la tablette, il y avait par défaut celle medium que tu montres). Comme il existait une lisse, une très granuleuse et une médium que l'on pouvait acheter en plus, j'ai fait ça. Mais cela n'a pas changé mon constat de beaucoup. Je n'ai cependant pas insisté. une semaine ou deux m'ont découragé. Si j'avais su, j'aurai insisté plus et n'aurai pas revendu ma tablette et racheté une ancienne, même si je ne regrette pas pour autant. Peu importe qu'elle ait 2 ans où 20 ans, tant que la tablette fait le travaille. Cependant, je saurai pour une prochaine si besoin :) Merci beaucoup !

@UnboundedArtandCrafts Год назад

Have you tried just laying the wacom on top of the drawing screen when you want to use it? I have both styles of tablet from Huion and I can adjust the stand of the big screen tablet to go flat and then lay the other tablet on top. Also my Huion kamvas 20 pro has a bunch of buttons to program and in addition I use the KD100 mini keypad thingy with even more keys and a dial. So no keyboard needed only if I need to type words and I don't want to use a screen keyboard.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Hey, no my monitors are too thick and larger to get layered on top of the non-display tablet; also their overlay is flexible and would take scratch in no time. But I remember the DIYtiq threads on Reddit, with good makers disassembling old Intuos large and flat LCDs to make their own display tablets (it was a big cut in budget 10 years ago when Huion and XP-Pen were not on the market, and Wacom could sell 2K€ this type of device. The LCD and old non display tablet were 2 time less expensive). Unfortunately, I never see any of this threads having a good result. It often ended in case made of sticky rubber band, big offset, magnetic noise (power supply of the LCD not shielded well getting in the wave required for the stylus to be recognised). But sure, maybe I'll study Cintiq flat enough to be used as traditional tablet. I just need to find one with an active area of at least 42cm large, and QuadHD resolution so I can clone on it my main device. A good cable management would be good. I studied the market, the closest is the Cintiq 16 Pro, but the area is smaller and it makes the QuadHD resolution really too high pixel density and stressful for eyes and its cable management is not good.

@nairocamilo Год назад

Uh... You had an actual, OG computer bug happen to you? You are one of the Chosen, David! 😅😅 RIP little spider 😔

@DavidRevoy Год назад

🐞😅 Yay !

@mikhail4486 Год назад

Hi David, when thing with intuos pro happened to me, I was scared, that I’ll need to buy nibs every month, but luckly it has smoothed after just one pack of nibs

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Oh thanks for telling me you also had the same experience with it. So, it must be something done by design.

@kevinorozcoramirez6617 Год назад

Have you seen the Huion 16 4k pro, you can use that one as a display and turn the screen off and use it as a pen tablet. Screenwise is not as big as the 24 but you get the option to use it in bot modes, the best of both worlds. You can see some videos in Amazon, on RU-vid I haven't seen many people using it in that way.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Hey, thanks for the pointer. Indeed, an hybrid solution might be my best option. I'll check if it can run with a free/libre driver on Linux at first. Thanks for your suggestion.

@kevinorozcoramirez6617 Год назад

@@DavidRevoy Yeah, check it out! :) I couldn't get used to one or the other, and then saw that Huoin 16 4k pro and the resolution is pretty good, it's portable as well, I was used to my 22 Huion model, and at the beginning, I had to zoom more often because I came from a bigger screen but, I'm happy with the change, and with that one I have the best of both worlds. Thanks for the tutorials and all you do for everyone! Have a good one!

@MangaTengu Год назад

I have the same Wacom Intuos pro (medium). I have bought 3 of it because it always falls appart after something like 2.5 years) for some reason... (like the touch button getting loose and keeping on switching touch on and off... then open the tablet to fix and break some plastic clips and so on...). The last one I have bought needs replacement, but I am afraid to buy one and miss an imminent model update. (They released version 3 of their pen so who knows...)

@DavidRevoy Год назад

😱😱😱 3 ?! Oh wow, I had no idea the device could be that fragile. My old Intuos 3 L and 4 XL had a long life (until the overlay were hard to find replacement, or pen got flat pressure and pen became hard to find 'new' unit not already used or with a sticky plastic). I'll keep an eye if this model I have falls apart in the next years. Thanks for the feedback!

@MangaTengu Год назад

@@DavidRevoy I have had a lot of misfortune with Wacom (cintiq 24HD that turns black. while touch is working. Seems to be a known issue and they don't acknowledge it). My intuos 4 was strong, but the rubber went off (I ride my bike everyday with it in my bag). So the last intuos pro, I took care of them and yet... that ticking touch switch button I never use went loose etc... So all in all I don't buy wacom thinking "it will last more" anymore :) Yet design-wise they are still my favorite (no flashy, fancy useless gadgets...)

@MMmmmVarley Год назад

Aloha David. I am curious if you encounter any driver issues switching to the Wacom? I run EndevourOS and use an older Wacom Intuos Pro. Getting them to work together can be a bit of a pain sometimes, depending on the program I am in. That new universal tray from CinTweak looks great! Thank you for the heads up on that. Mahalo.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Hey! It was plug-and-play on my Fedora KDE 37, it was even recognised by the Plasma GUI with all feature. I decided to bypass it with a custom Xsetwacom script (I'm still on X11), to set the pressure curve, buttons, etc... I was probably lucky. libwacom does a good work at catching the new models, but it's often 3 to 6 month after their release on the market, and I was a bit afraid my model sent from Wacom America would be one of these "too new to work", fortunately, it was not.

@MMmmmVarley Год назад

@@DavidRevoy I am still on X11 too, I am sure Wayland would break much on my system. I tried a very simple script with Xsetwacom to turn off the touch feature on bootup, but never delved that much into it after that. I should give that a go and learn how to get the most out of what I have. Thank you.

@hewpow Год назад

What chair do you use? Just any regular basis office chair? Or you need something special?

@eyeodin8259 Год назад

you need a wacom with the ergonotron. it is the best combo for the desk.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Hey, thanks for the advice, but if you look at the video, I have already the ergotron arm on the shot. I think I was also one in the first generation of artist to popularize this type of arm, eg on my blog 12 years ago ( www.davidrevoy.com/article102/ergotron-lx-arm-for-cintiq ). Also, I already owned the Cintiq 12WX, Cintiq 21UX, Cintiq 22HD and Cintiq 13HD, and probably tried most of the mainstream model in demo booth at art conventions. The XP-Pen 24 Artist Pro has a really good display with a large Gamut, Quad HD for 24 inch and the stylus battery less and reduced lag is really matching the Wacom I owned so far (and that, for a reduced price). So all in all to say, getting a Wacom and the Ergotron alone is not what I need, nor the best combo.

@eyeodin8259 Год назад

@@DavidRevoy I am not speaking of the ergonotron arm. Arms are always the worst choice possible.

@barrazaillustration9383 Год назад

What I did for my Intuos pro Medium was to buy an ipad pro 11" matte screen protector ( sounds silly right? ) and got myself a Titanium nib. Now I have a mint condition tablet and at the same time i have no need for buying nibs from time to time.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

It sounds like a good solution, thanks for sharing!

@jeofthevirtuoussand Год назад

Bonjour, J'ai une xppen 13.3 pro depuis près de 4 ans. J'ai la xppen 22r pro dans mon radar est ce que vous me la conseillé? Surtout à cause de krita. J'adore ce programme mais l interface bouffe beaucoup de real estate🤣.

@cristalypollo Год назад

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@Ratorix Год назад

merci pour la vidéo ! interesting to see all your tweak, good to see that brand like xp pen and wacom recognize your work too. Tiny space can be a Headache to optimize, but can be fun to do too ^^. maybe you can use a good screen arm to support your xp pen and move it around freely ? from a screen position to a working one ? poor bug, peace to this soul... ^^" and sorry that happen to you, for the price of this, having permanente mark on it is not pleasant at all. au cas ou mon anglais soit un peut trop mauvais : intéressant de voir toute tes modifications, ça fait plaisir aussi de voir toute ces marques comme Xp pen et wacom reconnaitre ton travail. les petits espace peuvent être prise de tête à optimisé, mais ça peut aussi être fun quand ont y arrive ^^. Peut être peut tu utilisé un bon bras d'écran pour supporter la Xp pen et la bouger librement ? d'une position d'écran normale à celle d'une tablette graphique pour travailler ? pauvre insect, paix à sont âme... ^^" et désolé que cela t'arrive, pour le prix d'une de ces tablettes, avoir une marque permanente sur l'écran n'est pas plaisant du tout.

@DavidRevoy Год назад

Merci pour le retour! J'ai déjà un bras ergotron, mais en fait, une fois suspendu comme un moniteur avec la taille du bevel autour et le support pour clavier; ça fait vraiment un gros machin flottant. Et à chaque transformation dans une position et une autre; ça donne toujours la sensation de "déshabiller paul pour habiller jacques" ; l'espace pour faire atterir la tablette avec moi se rempli d'un joyeux petit bazard de bureau, et la manip, le rangement, tout ça fait que dans mes essaies dans le passé, elle est resté bloqué dans une position. Le truc qui me tente bien, c'est ça: www.cartoonbrew.com/tools/japanese-artist-builds-custom-cintiq-embedded-desk-143889.html , mais mon niveau menuiserie plus le sacrifice du bureau en cas de panne de la tablette m'effraie un peu. ^ __^

@Ratorix Год назад

@@DavidRevoy il est vrais que ça fait une grosse masse a mouvoir. très sympa la tablette intégrer au bureau mais c'est sur que ça demande du boulot et des risque ^^. après il doit être possible de sauvé le bureau en cas de panne, soit juste avec un plaque a la place de la tablette soit une nouvelle tablette. si tu tente le coup un jour n'hésite pas a nous le faire partager !