Vaush Gets MAD - Debating Free Speech & Censorship with a Viewer 

"YOU CAN EXCUSE THE RACISM!?"

well put

I mean, people got mad at a dude for teaching his dog to do the nazi salute cuz he thought a nazi was the least cute thing he could make out of the dog. Saying the nazis were the worst thing he could think of actually triggered people.

@@ishzarkklyon9590 okay, nazi

@@DoctorJellicle ok racist

yeah, that was a good one.

OH THANK GOD Voaauwdfssfsxvhiydcsh cleared that up.

I thought you weren't supposed to bully the invalid tho

Are you kidding me? Cishet white British gamer males are the most oppressed class conceivable

That was a clever response I'll give him that. However I think it's bogus when a person decides to narc and get mommy youtube to de-platform someone instead of engaging with him. "Lispy queer" was a bad insult because it focused on Maza's sexuality as an insult by itself without adding anything to it. However, I think Maza should've talked to or messaged Crowder and told him the error of his ways; you can't have youtube intervening every single time something like this happens; it's an overstepping of American rights (yes I know they have tos but that means nothing to me when it comes to what's right or wrong)

TheRatSquid never felt something more

It is true for real debates too. :( I wasted couple of months on this with someone.

ive never had an interaction with a conservative that went ant other direction

Not even Vaush would've made such a bad equivalency in our debate

@@averycon8328 you talking about bad equivalencies is super ironic

@@averycon8328 if you don't like RU-vid then just turn your head away from the screen and press the off button

+Hoolie p My man, you could not stop dodging questions and pivoting in this debate. You were completely incapable of engaging with anything Vaush said.

@@averycon8328 Dude why the heck are you still here? Why don't you turn off the screen? Huh? huh? huh? huh? huh?

Very much so. I nearly fell into the alt-right radicalization pipeline myself. I have never considered myself right-leaning, but I came very close to not considering myself left-leaning. I swung back the other way and now try to avoid political tribalism, especially in online discourse. I think the key exceptions are Vaush and ArmoredSkeptic, because I enjoy the spectacle and narrative even if I don't agree with their views 100% of the time.

It's very true, I fell down the alt-right nazi radicalisation myself due to these videos. They do what they are designed to do, radicalise the masses.

@@zxSwifty same bro, glad we both made it out the other side and please keep that comrade mindset.

does that include vaush who openly advocates for violence against political opponents he doesn't agree with?

I'm rarely influenced directly by people I follow, but listening to a variety of voices instead of just focusing on one particular RU-vidr or political mouthpiece, including listening to regular people, has led me to lean further left. Ultimately when it came down to people's experiences, 'people won't let me be racist and harass people' vs 'I'm being harassed and am suffering as a result' did not lend me to the former argument, the latter was much more convincing.

he actually defended the recruitment tactics.

JOHN GR defending the way the grow their numbers is the same as defending the ideology in a way, no?

@@johngr1747 You're totally right, that's such a valuable distinction to make here /s

He does it so much he might as well get actual gymnastic classes.

He is sympathetic towards fascists! He can't deny that!

If mental gymnastics was a real sport he's definitely candidate for the Olympics team.

To be fair, he doesn't really defend the fascists. He just thinks that they should be able to run rampant and spread their hateful agenda so long as they don't touch anybody or smell. His actual point isn't any better though.

@@dinodare1605 I'd say preventing societal backlash counts as defense. For instance, allowing black people to freely exist in what was once "white only" spaces would count as "defending black people".

Brandon Kaminsky Could I get a timestamp on that, actually?

You don't have to be left to watch him I don't agree with vaush but i watch him u just won't subscribe because I don't support his message but this passes the time and he is a compotent debator

Janet A I don’t think he’s saying the dude doesn’t watch Vaush because he’s not left. Rather, because he didn’t demonstrate much knowledge of Vaush’s beliefs. He doesn’t have to be a leftist himself to understand that.

@@WillBassman he's arguing him on his beliefs. Maybe I'm missing some nuance

@@WillBassman this is exactly what I meant. I have been watching vaush for a couple months and he has some pretty consistent beliefs on Trans issues.

I'm not convinced that he's fan of Carlgon but he must be a Crowder fan!

homie just could not pick a lane

The thing that really bugged me about that is he acts like being a few inches shorter or having a slightly small penis is the worst harm that could possibly befall a person. Neither of those things matter that much.

He can't even admit he has an allegiance

First hour of his debate: Freedom regardless of any harm, and against any benefit in these cases Last 18 minutes: No freedom because I claim there’s potential harm that means more to me than it does to the people it would supposedly harm. Interesting point though, even if that is how blockers work, which I don’t think that it has the negative effects he claimed, why does he care?

@@jq1522 Because some people feel like they need to say their opinion on anything/everything, even when they have barely any understanding of the topic and aren't really part of that particular conversation in the first place.

Or my favorite: that was a tangent, but anyway

what? were you expecting the guy to cry or something?

@@adrianliung8374 hmmm ok so words like 'payoff', 'satisfaction', and 'thrust of his argument' imply to you he wanted a legit response? im not so sure about that lmao but i guess its how you read it.

@@crazykubla I read it that way too. It's not really fun to listen to an hour and a half of someone who can't even follow the conversation. It's like listening to a knock knock joke but the comedian forgets what he's doing after being asked "who's there".

this is such a sexual comment. "thrust" "payoff" "satisfaction" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

Hey! I was the one who found the guy, you can see me in the chat as "ari_username". I was the one who got them to fight and I am SO GLAD I DID because mando is SO STUPID

@@arieyorsson3191 You signficantly reduced the chance of someone in chat catching brain worms,so congrats

That's all they ever do. They know their arguments aren't even mildly intellectually compelling so instead of attempting to appeal to reason they appeal purely to linear, binary and emotional thinking to prove their points

Vaush* stupid

Ari Eyþörsson shut the fuck up

And then the whole thing proceeded to become a whole lot more idiotic somehow

Think the guy's an anti-vaxer too?

It reminds me of Phoenix Wright, where slowly and slowly you can get to peel back the layers of their lie and guilt.

It is simultaneously great and inspirational to my pain

Why is it that we never once say lgbt radicalist back in the 70s and 80s when it was born and free to be so and still people were called a bunch more slurs back then compared to now where If anyone dare say such will be castrated from society? Truth be told vaush is a radicalist… vaush abuses the freedom our culture gives and try to moral grand stand when he openly promote demonizing other political views trying to claim anything politically right of him is nazism when he himself promote the same exact platitudes of nazism. He knows nothing about anything about facts or anything regarding mental development. In his own argument he claimed being exposed to violence will make you violent. If that’s true than every single person who plays call of duty beats their wives and are violent. It’s stupid arguments like this that makes me question why people take vaush seriously. Vaush promote supremacy and communsititic authoritarian promotion by demonizing the modern day boogieman.

Hijinks ensue.

But Hormone Blockers make Pee Pee smol

The funniest part of that segue is watching chat completely explode. Best part of the video

@@BewarethePurpleOne I did the segue because I felt that Vaush was about ready to hang up on me. I wanted to stay "on the air" longer and used that pivot as a technique purely for the purpose of doing so. I could've debated Vaush about free speech for another hour easily.

@@averycon8328 Oh, I know. Is that also why you keep asking for a second debate in chat? Air time?

Kinda shows you the vaule of letting idiots show how terrible thier possitons are in open instead of suppressing them and giving them a reason to act like some conspertorial group of (inset X boogyman) is suppressing them, thus atracting more followers... Sometimes I feel like the right doesent understand morals or sceince, and the left doesent understand history.

@Spooks Your arguing a point I didn't make, I agree with what you said, however I belive two things, one of them is that the most effective solution to said cancer is to allow them to speak, beacuse when somone says something like you quoted it displays them as a racist and as a cancer to society, it leads to them being shunned socially and ignored, if you silence them, it leads people to listen closer and gives them ammunition. Alex jones has become more popular, not less since being banned from social media, it seems to me that actions to restrict speach actually leads to destructive speach to propogate more not less, it's similar to the war on drugs, regulation on drug use has actually led to increased drug use, it's turns out states that decrimilize drugs actually see less not more drug abuse. The second is that giving any body the power to determine what is destructive speach can lead to a situation where somone like oh, I don't know, our current outgoing president to start leveraging such institutions against people who are simpily critizising power, trump supporters would argue something like burning the flag or critizising police is as hateful and cancerous as what you quote, and if we shift the overton window towards allowing censorship you can bet your ass they will use it in a insane and terrible way once these people are in power, which in our country seems to be every decade.

The arguments made by Vaush here are generalizable (and he himself makes this point in a future video). Any position based on some myopic, extremist upholding of a single principle is ultimately self-defeating because it allows itself to be undermined by those who don't follow it. It's like being absolutely tolerant.

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@nerd Surfer How you do fellow _humon?_

I find the idea of adults crying over a bad word to be laughable

@@Konser_konge then you have a problem with human nature, sorry mr robot

Kong Christian IV af Danmark og Norge next time I see a woman being called a bitch and a cunt in public, I’ll be sure to point and laugh because she couldn’t have been hurt by words! Must’ve been some sticks and stones

@@Konser_konge Boy youre in for a surprise when you learn about emotional and mental abuse.

@fluoxy L. One key means of communication human beings have is using words. Is one of our main forms of communication useless? Because if the words we use to set up rules, express ideas and discuss thoughts can't harm, then they can't help either. Maybe we shouldn't use words at all if they have no real function?

@Hailey Nicole I should have expected a silly, literal response.

@fluoxy L. Our ability to communicate is literally what makes us human. Human evolution into a modern social beeing was driven by us getting better at communicating and building communities because of that. But sure, words don't have effects.

>"Tell me one person who is right wing and you wouldn't ban" >Names a person >"Ok but that is just one person you still said you'd ban 99%" CEO of goalpost transport incorporated

That's his way of doing leg day lol

Making hella gains with his legs.

Words don’t hurt anyone your reaction to words does it. Meditate about that

Try growing some thicker skin

He's gotta be like...16....No way he's even 20

The "UMMMMMMMMMMMM...... (pause) 25" was a dead giveaway. You don't forget how old you are.

@@inappropriatemoment I mean it did genuinely happened to me once. I was getting a haircut and she asked me how old I was. I was not ready for such social interactions to intrude in my personal life, so I said I was 18, but in truth I had been 19 for several months already. The great confusion that overwhelmed me was so that I did not even correct myself and knowingly left her with blatantly wrong information. I have been cutting my own hair ever since. But not like Scott Pilgrim.

@@Arkain89 haha 😁

@@inappropriatemoment Blink-182 would like to beg the differ, my dude

And Vaush is literally like "freedom of speech is only ok when it benefits the left". Welcome to the debate about freedom of speech: Where left debates words are violence and right argues they're not "violence enough" to allow left to take the freedom of speech away from the right.

@@Muskettisopuli vaush explicitly states that if your words cause harm people have the right to sensor you. Like one the case of christifer Lauren and sargon. Who's words have been cited in the manifestos of mass murders.

@@Muskettisopuli Agreed. I didn't do a great job getting all my thoughts across in the debate but I feel that allowing someone to practice free speech is the default position, so Vaush had the job of proving why it's ok to suppress their speech. He didn't have any objective metric to go by and instead just based it on where he personally draws the line. So ultimately it boils down to who you agree/disagree with.

ColumnMike ah yes, the negotiator

@@averycon8328 vaush literally said his rules would apply to leftists too. You're just wrong. He was very clear on what objective standard he wanted to use.

"radicalization is a slippery slope" so basically you just unironically invoked the slippery slope fallacy as a way to validate your position?

Hoolie p bruh

Hoolie p dude, are you religious or do you come from a religious area or what? You’re using a deontological moral framework which is simply incompatible with Vaush’s Consequentialist Moral Framework, Or you’re like anti empiricism and use rationalism instead at which point for instance stats wouldn’t matter but argument would, I believe the earlier however because of the “one is too many” and the whole last ten minutes, I’m not criticizing you here I’m just mentioning it seems like you’re using a different moral framework that fundamentally clashes with Vaush’s and is more common among religious and religiously influenced people as well as the political right

@@QueenKrystina No I'm an athiest. I simply believe that a person shouldn't undergo a completely OPTIONAL medical procedure that can produce undesirable effects, particularly if they're underage and don't have a fully developed mind. The default position should be to not interfere with a person's physical development unless you know for a FACT that it will benefit them. Doctors can only go off of what the kid tells them; and this is not an adequate justification for an elective medical procedure.

@@averycon8328 So are you going on record and stand by the claim that radicalisation does not lead to violence because muh fallacy buzzwords? That radicalisation and violent extremism have absolutely no observable correlation and that such a claim is fallacious?

Exactly!

This man around 44:00 asked Vaush what conservative would not get ban on RU-vid, Vaush brought up Hunter Avalonne, and the guy said he didn't know who that is. This guy was a bullshitter to begin with, because if he wasn't, he would've known that Vaush talked to Hunter on stream before and has mention his name on several streams/vids.

Explain how I misunderstood what puberty blockers are.

@@averycon8328 Puberty blockers were made for young cis preteens due to issues that came with having an early puberty and were used to postpone it if medical professionals deemed it necessary That should be enough for you to draw the comparison, if not, there's nothing I can really explain that'll make you understand medical science.

@@wacky3486 So you're referring to a usage of puberty blockers that falls completely out of the context of the conversation. The argument isn't that puberty blockers are bad full stop; it's that they shouldn't used as an optional, permanent, cosmetic procedure on people who aren't old enough to consent. Unless you think they should be able to consent to sex and tattoos and everything else.

So it's either coping or dodging regardless of what I do. It might be difficult to believe but Vaush and his followers actually hold a minority opinion in the country, especially regarding the two main topics we went over. So if don't like the term "echo chamber" then what term would you prefer. And by the way I'm mainly just engaging in chat because there's a quarantine going on, I don't know if you've noticed.

@@averycon8328 Nice "Ad populum" fallacy. Do you have other complete demonstrations of your utter lack of logic? You confirm your inability of having even a smidge of critical thinking with literally every single sentence and you can't realize it. Pure gold. Just pure gold. "Vaush holds a minority opinion in the country" "I'm happy even if 3% of the comment section agrees with me because the other 97% is part of an echo chamber" He literally decided that the majority in this case is an echo chamber but in the country's case it is not. Why? Because FEELS. He just said it and that's it. Pure. Fucking. Gold.

@@averycon8328 you got any facts to back up anything you said? anything? no? feelings only?

There's not much of a difference except affirming the delusions of a kid is worse than writing lead on their face

If I were willing to take his word on watching vaushes work, I'd chalk it up to a shitty memory like mine, cause I forget who Hunter is exactly tbh

He might have a shitty memory, but he certainly ain't a Vaush fan. He disagrees with him on basic tenants core to his ideology, like don't be racist, don't be homophobic, don't be a dick to trans people. Also, I refuse to believe any free speech absolutist like this moron would actually be a fan of Vaush "I'm Totally Okay With De-platforming Conservatives" Streamer... guy (I'll admit that I couldn't think of a clever fake last name for him).

@@beancheesedip8337 I think racism and homophobia are wrong. I don't believe it should be censored because I have a generally high opinion of the intelligence of the general public and believe that they can view such rhetoric and make up their own minds. Vaush is really displaying his intellectual elitism when he implies that sheeple can be so easily brainwashed. If that's the case, how did Vaush somehow manage to become the enlightened leftist that he is? How did he avoid getting brainwashed?

@@averycon8328 If you're making the case that the content people consume regularly doesn't affect their thought process/ideology, then you're an idiot.

@@averycon8328 if the average person has the same amount of worms in the brains as you, then surely we would be doomed by now

He didn't even couch it in "I don't believe in what you say but I believe in your right to say it", he LITERALLY just said it's okay to be bigoted.

@@BullofCrete Well he only said its okay to say bigoted things. How you are not bigoted and still say bigoted things is difficult for me to understand but that I think that was his standpoint. But to be honest I am okay with people beeing bigoted, I just disagree with them ever acting on their bigotry in any possible way.

Comedy is screwed. Thanks fascist.

I clearly stated that I disagree with homophobia or racism. But unlike Vaush I don't want to suppress people who say things I disagree with. People who just clip statements like that out of context are not very bright.

@brentprodz Thank you, at least some people have common sense.

Basically yes, the fucking puberty blocker pivot omg I lost braincells.

It just get worse later on.

Yes, because its a philosophical debate

@@guibeck8259 Because philosophy is somehow feelings?

Yep. He literally cannot process the things vaush is saying whenever he finishes a point, and then reverts right back to his base feeling argument.

That's not what freedom of speech traditionally means, it's a legal term which tries to outline certain rights of citizens with regards to government intervention. I'm curious about the situation you brought up though, are you advocating for limiting the free speech of presumably hundreds of those harassers because they bullied someone offline?

@@luisniebla5517 You don't have to move that far away from the point. Although I know you're trying to bait for a gotcha. No, their free speech wouldn't be 'limited for harrassing someone online'. Their harassment is what would be limited, stopped. If you're against that, it's the same as being against a group of rowdy men following a twelve year old down a dark alley whispering into her ear how they want to rape and kill her. Hey, we wouldn't want to limit their freedom of speech, so what they're doing is fine. Try to not be so subhuman and engage with the actual points being presented, please.

@@sacta I think that comparing messages on the internet to the scenario you described is too obviously flawed to be bothered engaging in. Luis also clearly engaged with the point by identifying the legal meaning that freedom of speech implies. I'd also be careful starting to call other people 'subhuman', someone might think you were being harrassive. ;)

@@crazykubla Messages on the internet can also be threats. Multiply it by hundreds of thousands and... And well, the only choice is to 'turn off the screen and look away', so that you never get to talk on the internet again. Don't forget either that, if freedom of speech is only about the government, like you and Luis imply, then private platforms are not doing anything wrong, since they are not government. It is your own braindead arguments shutting themselves down. Also, I'm sorry that I offended you by calling out your ideology on being below the logical capacities of most human beings, I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings, feel free to report me tho. I'm sure going to throw vitriol on twitter at Kiwifarms' target of the day will make you feel better, though

@@crazykubla Contrary for the sake of being contrary. It amazes me how rubber the spine is of an absolutists free speech advocate. Takes the time to disagree while openly refusing to engage in the content just to side with TOS for a "got em" moment. Like dude.... get a fucking point or don't bother people's time with pedantic statements. Wanna say my harassment of you might make you want to not engage with this comment section again then I did my job you giant goober.

Erbyenbe it’s gonna be a good take when you hear that

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Comic conventions do kick you out for not showering these days. xD

Vaush's debates are good for the ol debate toolbelt

yeah, one of the "OG" influencers...

@@gepisar the Manson Family was the first lifestyle brand

i mean he directly commanded it, more than "inspired"

@@testmate6681 They could’ve said no.

Yes, because people should be allowed to say things I disagree with.

@@averycon8328 Even if the things they are saying can cause note worthy harm to society? Nah you're really dumb my dude

no but its obviously ok because he said he's not homophobic, just wants there to be a homophobia endemic very big difference you see

Vaush was blasting him and he dropped his mask.

he's saying he doesn't support homophobia but also that it shouldn't be up to the government to punish homophobia

Haha i get this reference because sports

Haha i get this reference because sports

Didn't just move the goalposts, he moved the stadium, the university, and changed sports entirely This was Alabama football to start out, it ended up as Surrey County Cricket

It started off as Alabama football and ended up as Brazilian Futbal.

Dabo Swinney is on the phone with him right now. Urban Meyer is coming back to coach just to have this guy on his team.

Nah, I watch vaush for his debate skill regardless of whether I agree. I wasn't that articulate but I still think that people with common sense would agree with my basic points.

@@averycon8328 no. No they wouldn't.

Hoolie p No they wouldn’t lol.

@@averycon8328 Your basic points weren't coherent enough for anyone with common sense to agree with.

@@averycon8328 no. You had no common sense. Just feelings and taking offense at facts you don't like

Even at the age of 3?

I found one lol

Metalphoenix hon at the age of 3 a transition is new pronouns and maybe a new name/new clothes. unclench

@@Towlapeiwa What about sex assignment surgery?

​@@metalphoenix4244 Sex reassignment surgery is not an option for 3 year olds, and I don't think anyone is advocating for that. Sex reassignment surgery usually isn't an option until you're 18 years old, but it may vary by country. When we talk about small children being "trans" it has nothing to do with medical interventions, it's usually just a matter of letting the child like wear the clothes they want to wear and stuff. medical interventions are not considered until the onset of puberty. after the beginning phase of puberty, (and after several diagnostic checkpoints are past) a child, along with their parents and medical professionals can consider puberty blockers, which temporarily keep the child from going through puberty. this process is fully reversible, with minimal side effects. additionally, statistically at this point only like 3 percent of subjects will change their minds, so if the goal is to maximize well being, going with puberty blockers at this point is the right option. (especially considering the fact that going through the wrong puberty is often traumatizing for trans kids, whereas unnecessarily delaying puberty is not commonly traumatizing.)

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@@nemesiszer0708 that's a girls name

Welcome, friend.

J huh?

@@showtime9878 I don't get it either.

Im not owed a platform? Im a liberal who thinks corporations can do whatever they want, and any regulation is DPRK...now youtube has demonetized me... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CULTURAL MARXISTS W0N AGAIN!!!444

@Dead Ninja Storage Quit your rambling

@@RipTheJackR 1. I'm not liberal, I'm a socialist. I know you'r stupid but I highly encourage you to do basic research to learn the difference so you won't come off looking like a idiot 2. *Wooh* *wooh* strawman alert strawman alert *wooh* *wooh*. Please point to the sentence where I said cooperation can do what they want. 3. Demonetized and deplatforming or two different things but again you're a smooth brain so I wouldn't expect you to know the difference

@Dead Ninja Storage So people are upholding free speech as prescribed by the law and yet you moan because private companies have decided that they don't want you on their property. Yesh some real problems here.

Paradise Archer Poe’s law at play here lmfao

"I don't know who that (Hunter Avallone) is"

Raccoon Rick very smooth and very small, like a swimmer’s nut sack

She looks like she could use a Jill Sandwich!

Thank you for your insight Dr. Fragrance

Funny thing, they're not even debating the government, they're debating private companies like RU-vid.

@@jaydezifour988 I still think the same should apply tho. Limited restrictions.

@fluoxy L. If words don't cause harm? Why put them on a watch list at all?

@fluoxy L. Yeah, because building an army by convincing them through pure rhetoric that your neighbour is the "downfall of western civilization", and getting them hyped up to fight a "culture war", will in no way lead to people killing and genociding each other ever. Sure... This has totally never happened. Not in the last decade, and most certainly not back in the 30s and 40s.

I was wondering what the "vaush got mad" part of the title was about, then I heard him say "let's talk about puberty blockers" and I knew XD

Hamilton? Sir? Drop the statement of neutrality.

Crab Eman uhh umm uhh ahem uhh mmm unmm

I believe it’s spelled, peepo.

Miles Hill No it’s PepeLaugh

Sourusophy.exe Amazin point

Fr the people at Jonestown could've just said they had a juice allergy and all the dying would have been avoided.

I hope you aren't unironically trying to remove blame from Tex Watson and Susan Atkins.

@@landonpowell6296 wait, what do you mean? They are innocent..

Landon J Powell i'm being ironic

@@landonpowell6296 did you watch the video yet? They're mocking the guests logical conclusion, the "just don't look at the internet when people are inciting violence" bit.

What is hate speech? That's the better discussion.

I'd say hate speech is part of free speech in the sense you should not be arrested. I'm not talking about direct threats of violence or direct harassment here, just "I hate X".

And I am the salmon

Wrong. Time is a fucking cube.

Carcosa...

The earth is a flat disk.

@@cookiebandit18 moon: oh earth its time time for your nightly disk flattening Earth: yes dear

American history says hi.

Let the whole ad play. Basically, Trump supporters would be paying Vaush to talk about communism.

Burcol Clone I like this perspective

I’ve been getting all kinds of alt right “news source” ads on Leftist youtubers. I even have “relevant ads” or whatever the fuck turned off. I’m not a tin foil hat guy, but there’s something going on here.

@@rockheadonesixtwo RU-vid demonitizes all non-establishment political content (which makes the advertising space dirt cheap) and allow far right organizations to mass buy advertising space at the reduced cost. This allows them to target advertising to those interested in politics but fed up with the status quo. If it lands on right-leaning channels it hits the target audience. If it lands on left-leaning channels, it helps organize and energize the trolls. To top if off, most of the left-leaning viewers will skip the ad, meaning they've also taken up a potential advertising slot for a left-leaning content creator for free. PragerU has exploited this system abuse to high effect.

That wouldn't even be a debate just a very passionate conservation 😭

That sounds like the only case where he'd say no, just because the link is as simple as "man shoot man with gun." Or maybe it's naming someone specific to kill that he thinks qualifies it as violent speech?

@John Burton Hope you have never eaten ice cream or candy because that would be misuse of your digestive system ^^ Gosh, imagine all these people doing stuff for fun and enjoyment instead of some set goals...

@John Burton Hmm i eat candy and ice cream all the time even though they are pretty unhealthy and don't give much nutrition... :/

@John Burton You can try and stop me ^^

It's the ultimate flattening of meaning and distinction.