Vermont - Why Do People Run 20km Torps?? 

What about that broken sub, sitting at your forehead at 10:39. Seems balanced comrade...

Meh. Both times from the worst possible firing angle.

yamagiri players in my games usually die 2 min into the match, I expect nothing of them

But Flamu, I heard that Vermont, even reversing, is unusually agile and nimble for a high-tier BB (within its somewhat limited speed range), so surely this "reversing Vermont" observation is unfavourably biased...?

Yamagiri only needs a few seconds to swap to 20km, so why would he not use them? And sure they are spotted a long way out, but of the 4 salvos you dodged, the first two were spotted by a teammate well before they got into your detection bubble, and you started turning to avoid both of the other sets before you ever spotted them due to figuring out where the DD was right before the torps came. Only the last salvo was at a range close enough that he could have even threatened you. And the first 2 sets he was reasonably staying a bit back from the various cruisers and providing spotting. Really, it seems like he played things fairly well - maybe he could have been a bit more aggressive, but he was NOT going to win pushing into two gunboat DDs and a CL. Spotting and tossing torps to help keep people back is a pretty valuable service to his team. Likewise - your CV did good work supporting the weak flank.

Still entertaining

>suddenly 20km shima is a staple of retardnesd since WG nerfed those into the ground

Play a bb then 😊

You're already smarter than the average player base if you watch your minimap

The First Blood achivement, like many other things in WoWs, is a bit bugged. If two ships get destroyed within a second of each other, they can each count of First Blood.

it's a weird bug

I've seen it a couple times before. Even crazier when both teams get it at the same time.

Hmmmm. That's a good strategy. Run the 8k torps for the fast reload and just launch the 20k if the 8k torps won't reach. I'll have to try it.

@@Crosshair84 It is good as long as you don't hold any expectations for the 20km ones. If you manage to flank the enemies you could launch 20s at them from 90 degree position compared to your BBs. Then the enemy ships will have to either dodge the obvious torps and be broadside to your team or feast on the metal fishes while bow-on to your mates. Other than that don't expect many hits - the 8km torps are the main ones for such a build. Also don't be afraid to use your guns - 1 regular salvo, 1 triple barrage, smoke and then leave the smoke for another barrage - that is usually enough to kill a T10/T11 DD. If it survives you can still pull back into your smoke. Yamagiri is as accurate as Shima but even more dangerous since the triple barrage can easily drop 10K off from an enemy DD almost in an instance. Then you can still smoke up and reload in peace if need be.

@@almitov yamagiri is one of the best superships imo. It's got all the tools you could ever need, is good at those tools, and requires skill to play well. All while not bringing dented uncounterable gameplay to the table.

@@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43 I agree it is one of the best superships though I think it can be a bit too strong at times. The burst fire means it is quite dangerous for other DDs not only with spotting and torps. Luckily most Yamagiri players act as if it doesn't have guns at all, otherwise there would be an outrage across the community already. I think Clausewitz, Dalarna and Patrie are overall well balanced and what a T11 should be. The rest can be very broken at times (Satsuma funny button, anyone?). The most OP supership for me is the Edgar - not only does it have 6 360 degree turrets but the burst fire grants +50% damage and +100% penetration. We tested it against a Conqueror at 8km and it scores consistent citadels with the burst fire. Also imagine being a DD and running into a radar Edgar - happened to me in my Dalarna and I died in seconds. As soon as you spot it, the damn thing jumps on the radar and murders you with the burst fire on the spot...

@@almitov I agree with other things you say, but even Edgar has its weaknesses. As a T11 it being worse at handling dds makes it a bit underwhelming. I personally find it easier to play a radar Mino for close DDs support. Edgar ap loses the short fuse for the burst fire to arm instead of overpen, so it doesn’t arm on thinner ships like the Japanese DDs. Thus running radar on it require a team that shoots dds, which doesn’t happen that often. The one super ship I absolutely hate the most is Conde. For the opposing team, it allows no counter play to any ship type when played correctly, which I find extremely annoying. For the friendly team, it is a back line farmer with barely any utility, which I also find extremely annoying. The only thing that probably annoys both teams more than a Conde is probably a CV. Conde main players being shat on is one of the main reasons I’m so happy about the airship escort addition. Seriously, F these French sc*m

It's still a waste to use 20 km especially when other ships can spot torpedoes, you can only use them on secluded targets with no idea that you're there and they're broadside

@@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672 if I was 14km away from the target I’d use the speculative 20km torps rather than the 12km.

@@daniel.wilkinson and then announce your presence while doing fuck all since everyone dodged them anyway?

Island-hugging nose-in is great only if you can reverse into cover and if there is no sub on your side nor CV in the match. Another downside is that if your flank gets steamrolled, you're sinking right there. So when starting off, just play like a regular cruiser until you get the hang of playing more aggressively. 12km is a bit far for BB cits - probably need to aim for the upper belt for consistent damage. Even Petro with 40% more pen, still shatters a lot on many BBs. Maybe try below 8km or 6km for the BB citadels.

WOT had streamers like that, but they fired them for not supporting their money grab by keeping their opinions to themselves.

Many wows players are bad, more news at 11

Liberty commander

With how dispersion works in this game, I'd say it's the opposite.

@@dafencjusz no but what I mean is that if you slot range mod in the 6th slot you can’t slot the dispersion module which i’d say is almost a must on Vermont

​@@jijoux9161 American BBs have range mod in the 3rd slot.

@@dafencjusz … i’ve been playing vermont for close to a year now, how the hell did I never notice that? Anyway thanks for the info, i’ll be switching my 3rd mod then

and btw your forehead is big enough for any ship