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VERY VERSATILE Performer - Panasonic Lumix 20-60mm f3.5/f5.6 Kit Lens Review 

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@shimmeringreflection
@shimmeringreflection 3 месяца назад
Wow, the photos you took are amazing. I'm impressed you could take all of those for this one video. I just bought an s5 yesterday. Will test it out tomorrow!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
Awesome! Thank you! The photos in this video were taken over a period of a year. I really like this lens
@cameralabs
@cameralabs Год назад
Nice video, Still the most flexible kit zoom around!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank Gordon! I agree
@EC_Nattfodd
@EC_Nattfodd 5 месяцев назад
I'm relieved. I have never been able to afford a good camera but just ordered the Lumix S5 ii bundled with this lens. It's sort of a mid-life crisis purchase after my 40th birthday! . I have been taking some pretty awesome photos over the years with a pocket sized Nikon Coolpix, so am excited to see what I can do with this combo. It is ironic you nearly walked into poop. When I visited Dubrovnik and first entered that harbor area, I immediately marveled at the clear blue water. At that moment some guy's dog started pooping. When finished he scooped it up with a napkin and tossed it in the water.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 4 месяца назад
good camera and lens choice! dirty dog owner
@nickdardalis3535
@nickdardalis3535 Год назад
I use this lens with my Leica SL2 and love the images the combination produces. Seriously underrated. Great video, thank you.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Nice one! Thank you for watching
@Ansonandco
@Ansonandco Год назад
I shot this thumbnail!!! Beautiful shots dude!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I shot your profile picture with it!
@Ansonandco
@Ansonandco Год назад
@@PavSZ photo inception!
@Nikolaibinner
@Nikolaibinner Год назад
Damn !! I love your style of content ! Keep up the great work, you’ll get big
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you very much!!
@aaarturo
@aaarturo Год назад
I just bought the lens by his own. thanks for the review
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Hope you enjoy it!
@Mini-jk1zu
@Mini-jk1zu Год назад
Great video, Pav! Like this style of reviews! Cool footage and the end! Keep on your great work. One of the most underrated channels... 😃👍🏼
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you soooo much! There will be more like this coming soon
@JonackFilm
@JonackFilm Год назад
A lot of people like this Lens because it is way better than most kit Lenses. I think once you saw a 24-70mm f2.8 L Art Lens you are hooked on that. But this beginner Lens is very good. Also the low end 20mm is so cool. And Bokeh isn't everything. You can make so good pictures at F4.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Totally agree
@m-stat9
@m-stat9 Год назад
The f3.5-5.6 ruins it for me. Should at least have constant f4.
@JonackFilm
@JonackFilm Год назад
Yeah this is a bit annoying. But if you are a beginner is this a very good first kit lens.
@alexandrews2585
@alexandrews2585 7 месяцев назад
Judging by the other reviews this gives excellent corner sharpness at F5 to f8. Thus this should be used during daytime to shoot everything. For portraits evening/night shots pick up 50mm prime. With those two lenses you can shoot absolutely everything and two combined will cost less than 24-70 f2.8 on tis own
@matteoparnigoni5972
@matteoparnigoni5972 14 дней назад
@@alexandrews2585totally agree... I own the 50S and plan to take this lens for travel and complement it. Then maybe the 100S just for the "light" tele and macro options... and I guess that could be it! (albeit I have also the 30-700 but just because I "need" to take some sports pics ;))
@alistairlambert3275
@alistairlambert3275 Год назад
Great review Pav, your pics look great. Agree about using the compression to get a good background blur. I love this lens for documentary style video. Took this to the Philippines and it was amaising.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is an amazing lens
@Tyrellwastaken
@Tyrellwastaken 9 месяцев назад
I wasn't going to buy this kit lens but you made it look amazing bro lol
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 9 месяцев назад
I surprise myself with it every time I use it
@benontheroadnl
@benontheroadnl Год назад
Great underrated lens! Here in NL it’s selling second hand for €250-€300 Great review
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Bargain!!!! Thanks for watching
@DocBoA
@DocBoA 4 месяца назад
Phenomenal review man. Which 2nd lens do you recommend to couple with this kit lens for a solo content creator/vlogger, who spends most of my time in front of the camera? Thanks in advance.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 4 месяца назад
Thank you! Hard to advise. Only you know what you need, what your budget is etc. I often travel with the kit and 35mm
@antonzavarzin7208
@antonzavarzin7208 Месяц назад
@@PavSZ Is there any reason to pick Sigma 28-70 over 20-60 + 35 / 50mm fast prime?
@rebeloftheeast
@rebeloftheeast Год назад
Those pictures came out amazing!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you!!
@codenameFourtySeven
@codenameFourtySeven 2 месяца назад
I love the color grading mate :)
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 2 месяца назад
thank you so much
@AdsArachnids
@AdsArachnids Год назад
I absolutely love Dubrovnik. If you go up the hills and walk across to a place called Konoba Dubrava there's so many opportunities for amazing wide landscape shots. Also, definitely a fan of the 20-60mm. I was going to replace it immediately but after using it, it's stuck with me for 2 years now.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I was there only for 2 days. I wish I had more time to explore the town more. I really like this 20-60
@AdsArachnids
@AdsArachnids Год назад
@Pav SZ I hope to go back now I've gotten into my photography more. I always love how you process your stills by the way. They always have a wonderful depth to them.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
@@AdsArachnids Thank you!
@C.JPhotography
@C.JPhotography Месяц назад
Great for landscapes
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Месяц назад
yes!
@sp-ho9sy
@sp-ho9sy Месяц назад
Nice review! I love some slow motion footage of the waves in the video, they were shot in 60 fps 4k? or 1080p 120 fps?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Месяц назад
thanks!! I'm not sure now. I think 1080p 120fps, at least some of those shots were
@maskinmoller
@maskinmoller Год назад
F5.6 on the long end sounds high but is actually on par with f2.8 in the m43 world, which I rarely shoot below on my primes, as the DOF become to shallow for anything else than portraits. I've just ordered the original s5 with this kit lens and the 50/1.8 and look forward to receiving it. Haven't had a 50 mm on a FF body since my first camera I bough when 18 - a used Olympus om-10 just like the one I learned photography with at the youth clubs photo school. Will probably end up using the 50 most and the 20-60 for the wide angle shots. Thanks for your great content which helped me choose an upgrade path from my old Olympus em5 which I first though was replaceable by my iPhone but even the last pro models 48 mp raw files still look like crap zoomed just a bit in when compared to my em5 16 mp with quality glass..
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 10 месяцев назад
good choice! My first Lumix was S5 with kit and 50mm. Great combo. Thank you for watching!
@danny_r27
@danny_r27 Год назад
I use this on my Leica SL typ 601 and after giving it a chance and not being super judgmental of the lens and it’s cheap price when bought on its own it showed me how good it is. Very versatile, lightweight, and decent sized (not too big). The colors are also pretty good and the 20mm focal length is super nice to have and it’s very sharp at all focal lengths from my experience. Probably won’t sell mine off until I get a Lumix S Pro 16-35mm f/4. But so far it’s been a good lens all around for it’s price.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Wow - I never heard of anyone using it on Leica. It is a great little lens, superb for the price, for sure.
@restlake
@restlake Год назад
it’s a great lens with a beautiful image. very surprised with the performance on my S5. the focusing ring is also underrated - I really like the feel vs my other Lumix primes. matching the filter at 67mm (as is the usual foresight on Panasonic’s part ) is super helpful too for sharing filters . I think Sigma put out a 20 f3.5 after this and that seems kind of dead in the water for L mount since this exists
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I'm also surprised how good it is
@dennispagterchristensen7786
Nice work man! Try out the Konica Hexanon AR 57mm f/1.4
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thanks. I'd love to try it
@PROWATCHES
@PROWATCHES 9 месяцев назад
Great shots and footage
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 9 месяцев назад
thank you!
@YellowPeaks
@YellowPeaks Год назад
I hate your channel, I was about to dump my 20-60 and get something else, and now with this video, I might continue with 20-60 :D. Wonderful review as always, three cheers
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
haha! it is a really decent lens
@felipeflores779
@felipeflores779 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the information 👍 thumbs up
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching
@DigitalRetro
@DigitalRetro Год назад
Great review of this kit lens` capability. I`m really thinking about getting the Lumix system even with this lens just for the the videos and vlogging.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you! Good choice! This lens doesn't disappoint
@JacopoDiGiuli
@JacopoDiGiuli Год назад
Thanks for this review! ps. please i want to know what post processing filter you use for your photos... that's great!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you for watching! I use my own Lightroom presets - they will be available to buy soon
@JacopoDiGiuli
@JacopoDiGiuli Год назад
@@PavSZ Where? on your site? thanks for the info.. I hope for modest prices! :D
@007silverwings
@007silverwings Год назад
​@@PavSZ can't wait for the presets 👍🏻
@biskero
@biskero Год назад
looks like is a good pick for the bmpcc full frame 6k as all around and it's full frame L mount too !
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is much better than it seems
@Stone1108
@Stone1108 6 месяцев назад
I’m guessing there are a few out there whom have spent a lot more money, RRP, on lenses which perform worse. This lense has been on my shelf, unused, for quite a while since it was packaged as a kit lens. But i’ve started using it recently, a lot, and it’s good, the glass is up there, just not right up there. Definitely not as bad as some are saying, goes to show! It does have a good user case range though. Would I buy it as a stand alone, no, but as an addition in the kit it’s great value. It came with a 50 1.8 too and is as yet unused, gotta take that one for a test drive now. Hey thanks for making the vid, I know i’m late to this one but goes to show, we’re all at different points in our photography excursion. 👏
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 6 месяцев назад
it is a totally usable lens for 99% of shooting scenarios. 50mm is pretty good too
@Stone1108
@Stone1108 6 месяцев назад
@@PavSZ Yes I definitely agree. 👍
@JoJoOnTheMove
@JoJoOnTheMove Год назад
I had this lens, but i sold it and replaced it with the 24-105mm, and found out that i missed this lens. Hopefully tomorrow my new S5iiX will arrive, again with this kit lens, and this time i will keep it. (and my beloved S5 will turn into a B-cam). I will be very happy that I have a lighter option sometimes, and the broader view at 20mm. Top notch lens 👍
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is surprisingly very good
@borderlands6606
@borderlands6606 Год назад
Just to add the 20-60 focuses incredibly close, about 1/2 macro at 26mm. Handy for close ups of jewellery, scale models and other small subjects. One downside is maximum aperture climbs quickly after 20mm. It's also compact, no bigger than many primes.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes! I forgot to mention that in my video
@filipmichalsaffray441
@filipmichalsaffray441 Год назад
Hey Pav, first unique revue of it at least so complete For me Great Lens Universal Cheap if in Bundle always on and more money from prime and other zooms...jak tam Anson?Sigma FP L vs S5ii...S5ii wins and soon with BRAW...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
exactly!
@Canoneosmiami
@Canoneosmiami Год назад
U did amazing pics w. It .
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thank you
@azoique
@azoique Год назад
I did actually get this lens on its own. But for around £200. Which still feels like a great deal. I already had the S5 but got it body only and needed a travel/landscape lens.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Great price! This lens is ace
@engineer4862
@engineer4862 3 месяца назад
I am having hard time decide between the 50mm f/1.8 lens and this one. What is your recommendation as a kit lens for Lumix S5 II?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
I'd go with both. Totally different lenses delivering different results
@lukemiraflor7053
@lukemiraflor7053 11 месяцев назад
Nice Review and the colors are nice! May I know which LUT you are using?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
Thank you! I have used my own LUTS here
@FrankieSpellman
@FrankieSpellman Год назад
Great presentation!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you kindly!
@imranalijafar
@imranalijafar Год назад
great video. what prime lens will pair with this lens for nice bokeh
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
any of the f1.8 Lumix lenses that suits your shooting style. This entire video was shot with 35mm
@BearTeam
@BearTeam 3 месяца назад
thx for good review. Kit lens or something from Sigma x-x/f2.8 ?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
only you can decide. I'd go for both
@johnlinney8685
@johnlinney8685 Год назад
Just got a used S5 with the 20-60 lens. Moved from Fujifilm and glad I have. Just out of interest, I love your colours and tones. Do you use a preset or have you changed the settings on the camera? Great video btw
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Great to hear! Thank you - I use my own presets. I will be making them available to buy very soon. Working on it
@johnlinney8685
@johnlinney8685 Год назад
@@PavSZ I’ll look forward to that! Must say I’m really impressed with the camera and lenses. Feels like a definite step up from my previous gear. The 50mm f1.8 is lovely lens.
@tobyr8555
@tobyr8555 Год назад
I’m looking to jump ship from Fuji. Do you notice an IQ improvement? What Fuji lenses did you have?
@johnlinney8685
@johnlinney8685 Год назад
@@tobyr8555 there is a difference in almost depth to images. It resolves more detail. I loved using Fujifilm system and some of the lenses are fabulous. Definitely glad I moved to Panasonic full frame though.
@marcuswarren1320
@marcuswarren1320 Год назад
It would be interesting to compare this lens to MFT 12-60 2.8 - 4 version.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
why though? They are two completely different lenses for different camera systems
@9adriano21
@9adriano21 Год назад
It’s not a “Professional” lens, but is the lens I grab first for family/travel vlogs. Would love to see a constant f2.8 alternative, sacrificing a bit in the long end, a 20-45mm maybe. 🙏🏼
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
why isn't a professional lens? What does make a lens professional.? The spec or how you use it? I would have no issue shooting with it professionally
@9adriano21
@9adriano21 Год назад
@@PavSZ It has great image quality, but I took it to a couple of event shoots, the variable aperture is not the biggest issue, it was more that at 5.6 is hard to use when lighting is not ideal. The second issue I found that the Zoom ring is too tight, can’t really zoom smoothly in video. I have the Sigma 16-28mm and that zoom is buttery smooth 😮‍💨
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
@@9adriano21 it's just a different tool for a different job. Yes, small aperture makes it harder to shoot with it in lower light but doable. Zoom on this lens was not meant to be used in video. Changeable aperture will make your video go darker when you zoom in with it while filming anyway (unlike Sigma which is constant f2.8)
@slawomirgromadzki8669
@slawomirgromadzki8669 5 месяцев назад
I agree that this is a very good lens for a kit but it is NOT flare resistant and for such a wide angle is very important to know and many reviewers avoid this aspect which is unacceptable. I've had 2 of those lenses and both were not flare resistant and that was the key reason I returned both. I've also used Nikon z6 with 24-50 kit and that was flare resistant but focal length wasn't as good as here.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 5 месяцев назад
flare resistant? This lens, unfortunately, isn't unusual but in my opinion it is above a lot of lenses that cost twice as much. The flaring you are talking about is it very common, especially with wide angle lenses and right now (aparat from Viltrox 16mm f1.8) I can't think of one lens that doesn't have that kind of flaring visible . Those are very rare.
@TheKimNeeper
@TheKimNeeper Год назад
It’s a do it all lens, minus the larger apertures. Would love a 2.8 version 20-60mm, manual to keep the size down. But being a bit creative, this can be pro and cinematic, had mine for years, later got the 50mm 1.8, and besides from Bokeh, the 20-60 is a far better lens, basically no CA which the 50 unfortunately has a ton of wide open.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes, I got 50mm with it first too. This is a really solid lens
@karanthakur6084
@karanthakur6084 Год назад
I mostly create outdoor content related to trekking hiking and road trips. I have the 20-60 mm lens but the only draw back i feel this lens is obviously the lack of bokeh. Now i am thinking of two options here , either i can sell the 20-60mm lens and get a 24-105 all purpose lens which i think is convenient because i would have only a single lens for my content creation which by the way feels convenient on the go. The other option i have is to keep the 20-60mm lens and buy an additional 85mm lens for the bokeh shots. What do you think i should do in this situation ?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
The bokeh is not everything. I often take just one les with me when travelling or just going out and make it work. Sometimes I choose the opposite of what I think would be "right" for given situation. You adapt and in the end get better results overall. Only you can choose what is the right option for you. 24-105 will give you bokeh because of the zoom compression but totally different than a wide aperture prime would. 20-60 is more than enough of zoom in most of situations as well. Get 18mm or 35 and shoot everything with it. trust me, you'll become a better photographer than using "all singing and dancing" zoom. Anyway, that's my personal opinion. only you can decide.
@karanthakur6084
@karanthakur6084 Год назад
@@PavSZ thanks for the opinion sir ! Really appreciate your feedback.
@PeterFarrieSongwriter
@PeterFarrieSongwriter Год назад
I had this lens and sold it and am now getting nostalgic for it again 😂
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
really good lens
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 8 месяцев назад
mmm “kit lense” great for stopping paper blowing away BUT I am actually considering this for video as i prefer f4.0+ for video.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
it is better than most people think
@nieznajomy7269
@nieznajomy7269 Год назад
Piękne zdjecia Pan robi..taka dramaturgia wręcz 😍 muszę spróbować takie zrobić 24-70 f4 s. Good job.!!! Regards😉
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
dzieki!
@kamilpotato3764
@kamilpotato3764 10 месяцев назад
​@@PavSZ Uległem pokusie i zamówiłem dzis S5 II z 20-60mm i 50mm f1.8. Dobry deal jeszcze jest od Panasonic w UK na ten zestaw. Jak się zarejestruje kupiony zestaw to jest £400 cashback, wiec caly zestaw wyszedł mi około £1800. Na obecna chwile używam Fuji XT4, XT2 i Canon 6D Mark I. Zostawię Sobie Fuji XT4 a XT2 i 6D pójdą na sprzedaż. Będzie można szybciej spłacić S5 II... ponieważ wziąłem go na 0% raty ;) Mam kilka obiektywów Pentax manualnych które w końcu będę mógł użyć bez crop factor jak na Fuji. Mam nadzieje że będę zadowolony z S5 II...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 10 месяцев назад
@@kamilpotato3764 S5II to bardzo dobry aparat. Trudno go nie lubic
@kamilpotato3764
@kamilpotato3764 10 месяцев назад
@@PavSZ Po kilku dniach i grzebaniu w instrukcji… mniej lub wiecej ustawilem aparat tak jak chce. Wrazenia jak najbardziej pozytywne. Sa minusy jak w kazdym aparacie. Tylko 10 lut plikow na jednej kacie. Spowolnie obrazu na lcd przy malej ilosci swiatla. Ale jak na FF aparat ponizej 2000 funtow jestem wniebowziety :)
@NeroMC
@NeroMC 3 месяца назад
You shoot with the original s5?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
not anymore, S5II and S5IIx now
@NeroMC
@NeroMC 3 месяца назад
@@PavSZ but you find any difference on image quality?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
@@NeroMC not really
@amandasmith6152
@amandasmith6152 7 месяцев назад
I just bought a refurbished Lumix s5 body - so I don’t have the option to get the kit lens. I’m interested in getting a couple lenses to start. Torn between a 50mm & 85mm for portraits but then also want a lens that’s good for landscapes and more day to day or travel photos. Was going to buy the 20-60mm but what would be the better option? I don’t want to break the bank but also want longevity.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 7 месяцев назад
You can buy 20-60 lenses second hand really cheap. There is a lot of them around. There are also Sigmas like 28-70 or 24-70 but they are more expensive.
@kostaschelioths6608
@kostaschelioths6608 3 месяца назад
How you put iso so far.. I have the 24-105 f4 and in f4 in 8.000 i have noise
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 3 месяца назад
1/8000 is a shutter speed, not ISO. You need to change ISO down to get less digital noise in your images. If you are shooting in AUTO, ISO might not be changeable
@karthikeyans8922
@karthikeyans8922 Год назад
Am getting S5 II with kit lens and 50 mm 1.8 lens bundle for $2347 S5 II with 50 mm 1.8 lens bundle for $2047 S5 II with kit lens and 85 mm 1.8 bundle for $2497 Which bundle to buy? Any suggestions pls
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Only you can decide based on what you are going to use the camera for. I'd personally go with kit and 50 but 85mm is more expensive lens so you get better deal overall as a kit
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 8 месяцев назад
Hard to tell from a YT video but is it sharp enough for 4K video at the centre wide open?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
absolutely!
@unknownx-cm9vq
@unknownx-cm9vq Год назад
Nice
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thanks
@unknownx-cm9vq
@unknownx-cm9vq Год назад
Any info on color grade
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
on color grade of my video?
@unknownx-cm9vq
@unknownx-cm9vq Год назад
Yes I’d like to know how you grade
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
@@unknownx-cm9vq I use my own presets and LUTS. They will be available to buy soon
@alzarqawi26
@alzarqawi26 7 месяцев назад
Dubrovnik resort Croatia
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 7 месяцев назад
Dubrovnik town, not resort
@DroneStories
@DroneStories Год назад
Panasonic made the "revolution" when it presented a 20-60 zoom lens. The "tyranny" of the 24-70, is it over??... Sony imitated it and introduced its own 20-70 lens with F4!! AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE : If this panasonic lens had a fixed F4, it would be worth much more. This is also the challenge for Panasonic...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes! I hope they will make a f4 version of this or 20-70
@DroneStories
@DroneStories Год назад
@@PavSZ I would buy it immediately😀👏
@uishiuishi
@uishiuishi Год назад
The difference is that Sony's zoom is 1099$, while the 20-60 is yours almost for free when bought in bundle with the S5 and the 50 1.8
@自由风-h4x
@自由风-h4x 8 дней назад
我们买的难道不是同一颗20-60mm镜头?😂来自中国的问候💯
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 7 дней назад
there is only one 20-60. All three I have are this good
@自由风-h4x
@自由风-h4x 5 дней назад
@@PavSZ You are my idol!!🀄
@FightCollective
@FightCollective 10 месяцев назад
$2000 camera + $700 lens... can vlog on it?!? Why do these camera reviewers obsess over vlogging so much? I have an old Sony phone from 2020 that can vlog just as good and probable more conveniently.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 10 месяцев назад
I have asked other reviewers and they all say that's because a lot of people like to film themselves. If your Sony camera from 2020 does the job well you don't need $2000 Lumix with $700 lens
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 8 месяцев назад
Should be very cheap on the used market.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
YES!
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