VFX Artists React to THE FLASH Bad & Great CGi 

It's pretty much the same running animation style they used in Smallville with Bart Allen

How does he turn without turning

i think its meant to represent the speed, that also when being so fast its like slow motion for him

@@ShadowMoon1412 Exactly, when he takes a corner, he should be leaning into it, obeying the centripetal force

@@Violet_Knight When you're moving at or near the speed of light, physics gets a little fucky wucky xD

Yeh lol

Or a good actor. Real world aside, he is so bad I have no idea how he got his own movie.

You're not a good person too.

@@LightMediator ahhh so you support people who choke someone out in a convenience store. Makes sense.

​@@TorioMasonhe is a really good actor but ome of the worst person ever appeared in tv along with amber heard

Marvel's CGI still pretty much holds up even today, the first Iron Man movie CGI still looks incredible and depends on the director and the management. Overall, DC's movies are often rushed in order to make their own cinematic shared universe like how Marvel did, but they rushed the story and so rushed everything else. DCEU itself had little long term planning, and I feel that is where the negative impact is. Each DCEU movie just feels lackluster, filler even because there just seems to be no ultimately goal (for the MCU, it was the Infinity Stones and the like).

@@captainflowers748 the first 3 phases of Marvel holds pretty well across the board but nearly everything in phases 4 and 5 has taken a huge step down. They have the action scenes and much of the cgi done years ahead of time and then often reshoot stuff which forces the artists to make new cgi under insane time constraints.

Black Panther already had awful cgi

@@tiagorafael2542 BP might have the worst CGI of any movie with a budget of $200 million or more. It’s so bad it ruins the movie for me.

It's even more shitty to think this movie has been in development for about a decade. So the fact they dumped all the CGI on at once is pretty ridiculous and really shows how little executives respect it as an artistic craft and see it as just some device to fill in holes.

Yeah, you just have to get over the fact that he isn't trying to run like a track star, more like he's swimming through time and space.

THANK YOU ! The horse hasn't been beaten enough IMO ! Even watching this I feel like I'm taking crazy pills by the fact that no one is losing their minds everytime it's on screen! It makes me physically ill ! 😂Every design choice feels insulting. IDK how ppl can enjoy this. I find it infuriating lol.

I remember they said something like Barry ran like he doing ice skating, thats why Barry said to Bruce i took a competitive ice skating. According to snyder team logic, when Barry ran too fast, its like the land move like on ice, by doing that hand movement, it actually can ran faster than normal ran

It's similar to the Christian Bale Batman voice. YES, everyone and their mother has already talked about/mocked it ....... but, really, it's that bad you can't let it go. I saw a vid in which Miller explained his inspiration for the run, but to me something got seriously lost between the inspiration and the execution because the run just looks ridiculous.

He looks so goofy.

Latching on to this to say your definition of quantum tunneling is off. Really off.

@@banme2784 It was a simplified explanation

Or rushed

Why are they justifying it! 🤣 Sell Outs 👎

I have learned so much these last 4 years watching Corridor. I don’t understand the craft itself more then from what i have learned here but i have loved watching these vids from the start.

Great idea 👍

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I feel that sadly this kind of movie is not for RU-vid anymore.

This is a good comparison for the Flash because it’s what happens when you have time and money and a director who knows exactly what they want

Yes!

They might have to do it in their website cause of youtube's copyright laws. They wouldn't be allowed to olay more than a few seconds of the music.

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​@@wordsinahandle reactions have been able to get around it to music videos a lot thho

it's just bad green screen, what made you think this was remotely on their level

Wow good call. I don't see this as "a bad green screen" at all. I find it highly impressive. As I'm sure you will know, this was 2 years before motion control was even invented.

Yeah, makes you wonder how many unfinished CGI shots there are. What concepts were pursued then abandoned? There might be enough unfinished CGI to make two extra movies of this same quality.

That is what WB are experts in.

It's hard to hear "they didn't have enough time" when this movie was pitched before the CW "The Flash" series even started. And that ran for nine seasons. This was delayed numerous times, and it still looks like something the kids from the Polar Express made in art class.

The issue was never time, the director said everything was intentional whether it looked good or not.

@rondelfrancois5569 of course he's gonna say that. No one wants to admit a screw up or a mistake.

I wouldn't be.

@@brisingerfaelorn And as the old saying goes. . . literally no one asked

What scenes did you work on?

You guys need to unionise. Seriously.

Your skills are like black magic for me, much appreciated. Sadly, the movie still bad, in overall. I blame the studio

Should be blurry then

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Haha had that once before with some other movie, I get it

​@@LeonardoMastrogiovanniyeah but it's hilarious

@@LeonardoMastrogiovanni maybe try cosmonaut picture show. its not as critical, but painfully accurate

@@LeonardoMastrogiovanni I agree, now, but, CinemaSins was funny for awhile, or occasionally lol

Get this man on the couch Corridor Crew!

Commenting to boost this. Hope they‘ll get you on the couch to talk about those issues!

❤ They should pin this comment.

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Hope, this topic keeps getting more highlight. Artists need time and money to do good work.

The version of Flash on CW was 10 times better

@@JohnDoe-du6emat least the first 3 seasons before it really started going to shit

CW Flash's depiction of speed was decent in first season, fantastic even in 1x15 with tsunami approaching the Central City, after that the only good one was maybe Flashtime in season 4. And that's it.

That show was God awful 😂you guys need better taste in viewing

@@vincehenriquez680 started out good than went to ok before it truly went to shit

That would be true if the backlash wasn't just a tiny, loud group of VFX nerds tweeting and complaining vigorously. The truth is most audiences don't care enough to actually vote with their dollars. Will people pay to watch? That's the only question that matters to corporations and shareholders. Audiences are willing to put up with a lot.

@@TigerGreenethe flash absolutely bombed didn’t it? That sounds like a fairly large group of people that took issue with at least one of the multiple big things with the film

@@TigerGreene The general public is very aware and put off by bad CG, it’s one of the most common complaints among general audiences when it’s a problem. And the Flash lost so much money, the general public did vote with their wallets. It doesn’t take an expert to see that CG Ben Affleck looks like a character from a cheap tie-in video game from 2005.

Yep I think the mainstream public are starting to get aware that VFX artists simply didn't have enough time to finish these shots. It's the studios that are in complete catastrophe and the whole industry is having an existential crisis right now.

@@sharkjaw8938I don’t think screenshots or social media posts have that much of an impact on a movie of this magnitude. The portion of casual audiences that partake in that is not a large enough sample to be a big factor in it flopping

It's so weird cos he said himself he *did* film the cameo on set but then they had to de-age him digitally and it looks so bad, so seemed kinda pointless in the end.

​@@SarcasticPlotRecaps Ok shoot this cameo practically... ok now cgi everything including his body and face.

True. Say what "you" will, but none of the CGI BS today in superhero movies compares to the tangible nature of the battle in Superman 2.

@@x0gucxI suppose if he got paid more to be on set it's probably worth it for him in the long run...but damn they did his Superman dirty.

thats because it wasnt digital, im pretty sure they had her shoot takes multiple times in different outfits, the old school way

But that would make no sense. The figures in that Chronosphere thingy weren't meant to be the actual people/characters, but representations of them as moments in time. Like remember in Man of Steel where the ship's AI was explaining to Clark Kent the history of Krypton? Those weren't the real people, they were just models.

​@@irvinglee8913still kinda gross to bring back dead people in CGI and make them look like a shitty ps2 cutscene

why tho@@vladimiradidas1945

If only Ben Affleck was in the cast of this movie to make the last scene as well 😂

he's dead? what?

yeah its the same for games. when a game is rushed and they have to crunch to meet the deadline. the game is often buggy and might have less features than what is shown at first. lots of people blame the developers. but they are not the ones making the promises.

@@Peron1-MC Excellent comparison!

@@Peron1-MC Sometimes criticizing developers is warranted, when developers allow feature creep in their games or change stuff in mid-development.

@@ShadowSumac the publisher promises a bunch of stuff wich the developers dont have time to make or finish in time. thats more often the case than not but yes im sure that the developers come up with lots of cool ideas and cant decide what they should work on in time

Yep game devs are in a similar boat with VFX artists right now. Overworked, underpaid, and has to deal with impossible deadlines and promises from publishers / movie studios. It's a broken system and unfortunately I don't see any changes coming.

​@darthdesecdon't know how hard somebody's job is until you do it yourself you have no idea if warner bros was rushing the CGI artist which is what usually happens pretty sure if they had the proper time they CGI would have been amazing.

​@darthdesecyou know nothing

@@moonwhooper dude, they had 9 years to work on these vfx, no excuse it looks this bad

@@THRAwakened The VFX houses had 9 years? Or were they handed a shot, told "Do this, we want it by next week." It's not the time the film has been in development. It's money.

@@THRAwakened you bro you totally work in that studio bro to know when they started bro

Agreed.

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Starship Troopers still holds up so well, love that movie

PLEASE

Do you have what it takes to be a citizen @@randomindex?

hey by any chance do you know the name of that effect on baby shower like that zooming effect thing idk

I don't think it's the cgi I just think it's the cowl it's to big

​@@JesG.That's probably the case, but considering his head is consistently comped onto an entirely cgi body, they could shrink the head like 3 percent to help the proportions and it would look less unnatural

@@j0hn00 that's very true

DC fanboys really tried acting like the CGI in this movie wasn't awful lol

@@Zizou19989 I'm a DC fan I saw it was awful

This is a great take. The scenes here are so bad compared to what we get with quicksilver in the X-men movies.

So here is the thing about those two scenes. One is an isolated location and QS is moving super fast that everything is standing still. That's awesome. So take that same principal then for F: He runs at normal speed but everything is frozen around him...running...and running...and running for like 300 miles. Yeah that would get very boring. Would be hilarious in the movie to have him be like, "man this is taking forever." I guess you could pop back and forth between him running normally and then shots from everyone else's perspective and he is just a bolt of lightning which might be pretty cool.

The problem with that baby shower scene is there's too much CGI. It's so cluttered with visual mess that no amount of artistry can fix it. They should have put Ezra and the props on wires instead of making it CGI. Then remove all the ugly orange plasma. It's ironic because making everything CGI probably added 30 hours of work and only made it uglier, when reducing CGI would have made it better to look at.

Even Quicksilver’s scenes in Age of Ultron were pretty good

I love the Quicksilver scenes, the kitchen scene is breathtaking.

GREAT idea!

Imagine if they guest Roger Deakins

Janusz Kaminski

yes

Please

Its crazy that film was "rushed" but it was delayed by 4 years

*cough cough ok mate sure

have you ever seen the CW Flash Tv series effects because id argue despite the massive budget difference they do it better imo

Cw did it better

@@Lonehawk2k4 IDK there are some really bad CG on the CW Flash.

Oooh great idea

That’s cool.

Oh totally

That's because unlike writers and actors, VFX artists are not unionised. But they should be.

Vfx artists/studios aren’t unionized. If they were, they likely would’ve been on strike after the first avengers movie if not earlier, or at least they’d have better working conditions. But recently some marvel vfx studios and I believe some others under Disney filed with the NLRB to unionize.

@@peterstangl8295I’m pretty sure they finally voted to unionize

They've definitely talked about this issues before, and more than once.

There is no union for VFX artists currently so that's not gonna happen unless there is one. Currently VFX houses are busy cannibalizing each other with lowballed estimates to do huge amount of work. Original estimates while drawing up a contract currently sometimes don't consider unscheduled pickups, reshoots, changes proposed by executives or directors to VFX artists etc.

their Dr Strange one is great as well!

yeah I think in reality they just contract the distance between the atoms to show the speed, so it makes sense to not bore the audience

I wanna know the guy who would ask for 8 hours of Barry going through the door.

@@GeoPePeTto it didn't take him 8 hours to get through, so it shouldn't take 8 hours. The atoms should just be whipping past incredibly fast

They could have just did a speed up scene where you see them move faster like going into light speed type deal to simulate them traveling a large distance on that plane.

that also is not quantum tunneling. quantum tunneling has nothing to do with passing thru a solid object like the guys think.

Yeah it’s supposed to be a reference to an old scraped Superman movie we will never see.

Its a gift for the real nerds. And that's fine. But imagine how much better it would be if IT indeed had value withing the story... Loki wasn't a well written show, but all the Lokis and the Council of Kangs were real actors in real costumes. Similarly, Spiderverse is full of weird Spiderman. Imagine Nick Cage and Henry Cavill and Christopher Reeve fighting Michael Shannon's Zod instead of a CGI spider. Okay, its a big ask for Reeve, but you're telling you couldn't get Henry Cavill and Nick Cage to show up for a week? It is only that the studio didn't want to. Clearly. This movie was in production for three damned years. It should have been the best superhero movie ever made.

@@valentinegonsalves7322 I agree with everything except Chris Reeves. Man is dead.

@@Nitrous0x we own your face forever!

@@Nitrous0xIf his estate says it's cool, then it's ok with me

He eats babies and puppies

source?

@@todishirin internet

Pretty incredible how the vfx made him not look like a grooming pedophile.

That's what I said too when I watched it last night 😂😂😂

Yeah! It’s OK to critique what is asking to be critiqued. Had there been better VFX, there would have been better critiques. It’s always been clear that bad VFX does not always mean bad VFX artists. That’s just one of many possibilities.

I feel like they've talked about this a lot in the past, this is definitely not the first time. But you're right, it's important because so many people blame the artists when it's not usually their fault. 😞

Vfx shots took 1 week to do they didnt have 8 years lol

they never had 8 years

He means the movie was in production hell for 8 years. You'd think it would LOOK finished.

Yeah and you see stuff like that scene in the JL Snyder Cut where he's catching debris and saving people, only seeing his body in the flashes of light at super high speed. You just can't stop thinking about the potential there was for more cool shots like that. That 15 second scene was better than any scene in this movie in my opinion.

@@harryjey8830 I completely agree. I felt the same way.

@@floxyplays6570 What's funny to me is even A-train from the Boys has arguably a better Flash inspired run then Flash in this film. Hell Quicksilvers scenes in days of future past, were better done, and Flash is faster then him AND more known in pop culture.

You too?! My first thought was "I prefer Gustin's Barry over this", and my second thought was "So he has boot spikes because of friction less speed, but THE SPEED FORCE means he can get friction AT ANY TIME/ALL OF THE TIME" meaning this whole glide/slide run is so inaccurate and a slap in the face it's a wonder they didn't have the Flash's creator screaming at them from the grave.

@@harryjey8830 Therein lies the difference of directors, Snyder for all his faults tends to be grounded, the Flash's director went full Flight of Fantasy.

Reminds me of Jurassic Park. The scene of the TRex breaking through the fence was full CGI. But it looks amazing because it’s dark AND raining. You can cover up the textures and lines and then it looks real. Even by today’s standards. The directors are now so reliant on CGI that they expect it to do anything, so they fully light it up thinking it will look good. Instead of trying to hide it like they did back in the day.

Before anyone comments, yes they used models. But for that specific shot of the TRex breaking the fence and walking through, that was CGI.

@@popermen694 yeah that's always been my perfect example of how to make CGI look good. It was like the pilot for the medium and taught us how less is usually more in this art form

Many of the lessons learned in JP (treat CGI like another set; record lighting data; storyboard ahead of time; etc.) have been watered down or lost entirely (DOPs rarely have any say in post production CGI these days). Despite the advances in technology, many productions treat CGI like an afterthought. The on-set and in-shop procedures have clear process workflows which only really work when key creatives are integrated and VFX personnel have the time and training to understand the nuances. So, we can still get great CGI VFX integrated with live action (see any of Blomkamp’s or Villeneuve’s films) but the whole process and technology has become so accessible that people without the head for it can have it in their films. At the end of the day, it’s just another brush on another canvas, and the result is about the artist, not the tool. Or, as they said in a certain recent blockbuster: “It’s not the plane. It’s the pilot.”

yeah! the model of the Cygnus is just incredible. it's funny to look at it now, like a sci-fi horror movie but for kids (???)

I know you guys do CGI but I can't help but agree that I'd love to see you look at more practical stuff.

Do you know why WB/Discovery decided to begin production on The Flash roughly 2 months after Ezra Miller was seen chocking a woman on camera? The initial claim was that his troubles began after production started, but that’s patently untrue, though it is true for the other major crimes that were committed. The other thing is, Ezra Miller admitted to being bipolar before this film began production, with previous cast members mentioning times that there were highly uncomfortable moments in terms of working with Miller, also dating back to Miller’s role in Wallflower. That being said, I thoroughly understand the difficulties in what you and your team had to deal with. There’s an interview where the producers mentioned that they scoured RU-vid and digitally removed watermarks for the smaller images they used in the Chronobowl, which shows that WB didn’t really properly archive their clips for use in the film. With all that being said, I hope that this film is a catalyst for better treatment of the visual effects community because they unfairly took the brunt of the criticisms that were leveled at The Flash. Best Wishes and my sincere hope for better working conditions given that your work is the most integral in terms of film making, but sadly the most under appreciated.

Cry me a river. If I get a burger from McDonalds and is missing the cheese, I am not going to be asking the cook what is going on in his life that made him miss the cheese. The consumer doesn't have to care how the product gets made, only that is a good product.

@@squalltheonly Nobody cares about how you feel dude.

@@christianokoye9491 Exactly my point, nobody cares about how the production team feels.

The doubling effect was actually quite good.

Dude I never realized that 💀

So on that note... If your body is traveling backwards in time, do you gain or lose calories? I feel like you'd lose them, but then again you're not exactly aging backwards or aging really fast... so would your calories become exempt from the rules of time as well or..

It also shows him like vomitting from being moved at superspeed while not having his flash speed and then that hospital scene he is just whipping about babies and the nurse like they're nothing

Right and the evil flash or dark flash that knocked Barry out of the time bubble how did he keep up his calories all that time? Wasn't he like doing that for years or something? I forget how it goes I only watched it once when it came out

Yes and they need to remake some scenes too.

$5 bucks says that’s what they release tomorrow

i mean they already covered it. give the artists more time to get the work done. a lot of bad cgi is just due to having unrealistic deadlines

Yes, improve the CGI on the worst scenes, shouldn't be that hard 😉

I would enjoy that a lot!

That's the thing, they aren't shitting on the artists, they're shitting on a system that set them up to fail before they stared

Agreed. I wanna hear stories about showrunners/execs sit down with the damned directors and editors and FX artists and work through their stories, plan it out, find the limitations of the tech and find innovative ways around it and realise the true potential of every shot, sequence and story as a whole. More collaboration, less compartmentalisation.

Good luck with that. If they unionize, that would just push Hollywood to use non-union VFX houses in other countries. I have already seen a number of movies with VFX credits from India.

@@TheHapaDon And those VFX houses in India...are there any notable movies they have worked on? Just because they are out of India doesn't mean that their work is any better. Cheaper, sure, but better? Do you have any examples of India VFX house work? I'm curious as to their quality.

@@TheHapaDon I mean VFX artists can, and should, unionize for job security and against the outsourcing of their jobs.

​@@TheHapaDon Studios already outsource work overseas. It's already cheaper. If it were possible to outsource everything overseas, they would, but they don't. Sure, VFX houses charging more and requesting better working conditions might push a few more projects overseas, but there's already a shortage of skilled VFX artists worldwide. And that's before accounting for the risks of outsourcing, which plenty of studios have learned the hard way. You get what you pay for, and if you're racing to the bottom, you get bottom-tier results.

Exactly. I preffered the old vfx artists react to the new stuff. I just dont care about the industry that much, i came to watch our bois on the couch react to vfx.

If they did a live-stream of reacts I’d subscribe to corridor digital. (Again)

Yeah, and the risk is that if you get too "chummy" with the studios and VFX houses then it could temper how brutally honest they could be about the misfires.

@@SirWilly77 OTOH, sometimes a VFX pro will come in and rip on their own work and they've got the inside view of how it came to be so bad...

It's incredible how quickly people forgot about his crimes.

Yeah. I don’t get, why they cancelled Jonny Depp(where everyone knew how crazy his chick is), but it’s ok with Ezra? How come?

@@BigDreamD Tribal Law is a whole nother can of worms.

I don't even think he is a good fit for the role, ignoring his personal life. I would never watch this based on his performance in Justice League.

Jesus. I had no idea. I'm not watching anything associated with him in it.

I need to rewatch the Flash TV show but I feel like he's not gotten the love he deserves as a character

​@@dominicdunn2579 The first two seasons of The Flash TV show are pretty great. The rest, not so much

The status of the employer vs the end result would make any animator conflicted in having this film on their resume.

Don't forget that the director ONLY agreed on SFX that were available at the time of the first Universal Monsters films...

Going to see it

Is it better than the first one? It was disappointing compared to the book afair

Yep, quality work for real

Exactly my thoughts as well, both sequences of quicksilver in both movies. Glad I didn't see the flash let alone pay to see the flash.

They’ve already reacted to most of the prominent scenes in that movie in previous vfx reacts episodes. A dedicated episode would be nice tho

They have

Don't you mean a Thanigarian snare beast?

Actually most of the time but not always. Like wren said, its also about the right VFX company to handle the project.

@@edongski And also let's not forget the DIRECTOR wanted it like this. It's supposed to be Barry Vision™ but man does it suck.

@@Xerou haha. ikr. dang! just pure dang!