VGBootCamp Lied to EVERYONE 

No way I got immortalized with a tenten pfp

This community would’ve been fine if everyone had Dabuz’s race car bed.

“When running a business, everyone is looking in the short term to make big money quick…No one is looking in the long run.”-GimR on Tweek Talks. He didn’t follow his own advice.

Smash would be so much better if eSam ran every tourney so he could bring all players to go boxing ring

It’s weird how “calling out pedos and horrendous business practices” equates to “destroying the community.” Mfs ignored momma’s “priorities straight” lecture 😭😭

PG really died for no reason lmao

having only 4 security guards for an event with over 1300 attendees is absolutely pathetic. the rule of thumb for security guards is to have one for every 100 people. so not only did they not have security during the tournament's biggest match, but it wasn't even good security in the first place lmao

"We had great security!" "Technicals snuck in and ruined our event" Riiggghhhhhhhhtttt.... dedinitely nothing odd to notice there

I have no sympathy for the Smash community at this point. They always find a way to sabotage themselves.

To be fair, I work security, you really aren't supposed to leave your job til relief comes in And most likely the real responsibility lies with the security company sending those particular guards or not communicating overtime hours properly though that last one could be on the client as well

On the next episode of "Smash Community VS Itself"...

The Smash community deserves everything they get, they can't get rid of admitted pedos, they can't call these people out for not having even basic event standards, just blame some youtube with less than 100k subs.

Yeah I'd be happy to answer questions and clear things up! * sees basic questions * Guys, I'm being attacked!

Geez, no wonder Nintendo wants to stay away from competitive smash so bad

i think its funny how Nintendo also said during the statement over smash world tour's cancellation "It’s also important that a partner adheres to brand and IP guidelines and conducts itself according to professional and organizational best practices." Basically Nintendo also said that VGBC is a childish company and are very unprofessional. When Nintendo licensed Panda, they were basically saying that this company and its circuit is legit and won't cause any controversy or drama. It's almost poetic seeing the company they didn't license be the one to start drama. Another note, I think it's ironic that what Moist Esports/Mogul Moves are trying to do for Smash is EXACTLY what Dr Alan did with Panda. Using their status and money to fund smash. I doubt however Charlie and Ludwig are trying to work with Nintendo. Charlie has like the BIGGEST hateboner towards anything Corporate Nintendo does. Without Nintendo's licenses, I'm sure that any legitimate company (esports team or sponsor) will NEVER work/sponsor a smash event. It's just too much of a risk for them.

Herokiller (guy that stated Wadi and Cinnpie were groomers long before all the stuff came out) also said GimR r@p3d a woman and that MDVA figureheads swept it under the rug. If there is veracity to those claims then that might be the nail in the coffin for the community, esp since everyone sided with him against Panda Global.

jifour is based, nice to see a prominent figure disagree with the NPCs who worship VGBC, Nairo and the like

I still can't get over how no one has any questions about how grassroots gimr was supposed to shell out A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS for a smash tournament. No questions from Critical, Ludwig, or Hungrybox. There's no way they had that money. It's also funny how much high profile grooming happened at Gimr's local. This guy is a professional.

Almost 2 weeks later and crickets from either Ludwig or Moist when Ludwig was one of the first people to defend GimR and denounce Technicals and any of his Nairo coverage and Moist out here trying to make Nintendo look like they don't know anything about the video game industry. Weird how that works.

The more I see SWT stuff, I miss Panda more. I loved their team and content. Should've not ended like this

'Franchise is coming for me' is pretty funny. Ngl. Also, people cant say Tech is ruining the community. Hes just pulling back the curtain.

Bro this entire community and scene is a joke ffs

I love how we have idiots that run every part of the community and yet everybody complains about Nintendo not supporting them like it's the biggest issue in the community

It's incredible how people can still support VGB and the likes. The writing was on the wall ever since the first tweet. I also love that you always bring up Charlie and Ludwig, they also need to take accountability for taking sides without doing proper research.

Omg it’s the company ran by the 2 ESAM clones

Remember, we lost panda controllers because of VGBC. Let that sink in.

Remember when Gimr helped to kill Project M? I do.

Some communities don't deserve to be saved and some deserve a full reset.

The disintegration of my respect for the Smash community has evolved from tragic to cathartic.

Somehow I don't think Charlie or Ludwig are gonna be changing their stance on this...

I’d like to add that BTS was no better. At least 6-10 people snuck in through the sides for Genesis and nobody cared. Badge and bag checks were abysmal

I hope you keep this dialogue going as long as new info is discovered. I still feel like something is off about the whole situation, and I still hate the outcome :(

I knew vgbc was bullshitting when they canceled the smash world tour. I believe Nintendo that they didn’t force them to shut down. Pretty sure vgbc just wanted to nuke panda then come back strong

Im not really surprised about this. First the negative toxicity, hypocrisy, financial issues, pedophilia incedent and now security and safety issue. Whats even worse that the manager is not taking responsibility of his own mistakes and let someone else take the blame for nothing. The smash community is slowly rotten to the core and you know something, i say let it rot because we cant have nice things or have things that are fundamental. And for once, Nintendo, and Dr Allen was right about the community and we shunned them for nothing. This is not the kind of burden for us to bare.

Damn these are GROWN adults unable to take simple accountability 😭😂🎉😂

GimR and Apostl’s pride and naivety led to all of this. All avoidable. Don’t feel bad for them at all anymore. They cared so much about being grassroots that they were willing to risk the future of the scene. Yet they still won’t take accountability for ANYTHING?? These are grown men we’re talking about. Alan was right idc anymore.

I also want to point out that while the lack of physical security has a lot of physical issues that go alongside it, it also has a lot of cyber issues too. Like a guy having open access to a router where everyone is connecting to? That’s ridiculous and basically telling the hacker that it’s open season with everyone’s information there.

I laughed soo hard, how Gimr handled the situation!

I agree, the smash community that I grew up with, no longer exits. We need a Thanos snap reset.

Never thought I would see Charlie take an L

the worst thing is all the smash kids who don't even realize how bad gimr is for the community. always remember, the gimz only cares about his wallet

don't hate bandwagon me but if the security team really left without saying anything or giving any word that still is also some fuck shit

Just remember guys, PM died for this...

Holy shit I forgot Critical and Ludwig made those statements. I understand that their frustated with everything going on (because I would be too if a company I tried working with kept fucking me over) but they REALLY needed to step back and take a bigger look. Their response could be boiled down to "Bad thing happened. Blame Nintendo. Don't question further."

Honesty seems to be a losing matchup for VGBC

No matter how much time passes the smash community will always be an embarrassment.

Wouldn't mind the Smash community dying tbh. Mfs Were anoying af

Charlie has weird L’s sometimes

I don’t think Nintendo was even aware that the security left an hour early from that tournament. That’s a reach

Putting aside everything else in this video: Responsibility doesn't rhyme with Smash T.O.

Funniest bit is they can play dumb to it being you, Tech, or anyone else who is deemed a nuisance bringing light to these issues. Underage drinking? Refer to 2020. Lack of Security? Refer to the Hungrybox Crab incident. Sure it'll look pretty bad not addressing it immediately, but it's still something you can spin a story from and say that it's been a work in progress But no, it's obviously nothingburger, god forbid we do something right that could be linked to a guy that says N*****, does controversial skits, and rightly points out hypocrisy

I'd be interesting to hear an updated take from Charlie and Ludwig, even though they probably wont cover this topic again. Anyways, another FranChise W

They will never learn.

Let em all rot. In order for good events to come back the old guard needs to rot away

I hope your next video is titled "Why no one should EVER work with GimR/VGBC". The incompetence as a leader, and TO and inability to make tough decisions is on a whole other level

11 months later and the general Smash populace still believes GimR and VGBC did nothing wrong, Panda was in wrong, Nairo innocent, etc. Ya love to see it.

Damn that doctor mario is woopin your ass Nice video

To be fair to Charlie and Lud, I don't think they know about literally any of this stuff and they just thought that Nintendo killing SWT was just some classic "Nintendo flexing their muscles" stuff that Nintendo does all the time. They probably didn't look into at all. They probably should have done so if they were gonna make a video about it but streamers gonna do streamer things I guess. Good video tho.

The community is finished. Smash will never go under as long as Nintendo is around and because the characters and game is just that well made and iconic. The competitive community though, as long as it's not RAN by Nintendo themselves, will never make it back and even if it does recover some what, it'll never reach the potential it first was thought to had since smash 4 come through and made it crazy. The smash community lost it's biggest home grown creator ever, ZeRo. They lost most of the players with personality that were fun to watch in tournaments and on stream. They lost the best announcer, D1 and the rest of the scene is ran by people whom have 0 business running anything, made people suppress themselves and let outsiders like Moist critical and Ludwig have way more influence than most of the top players have. Hell Lowtiergod is a bigger and more entertaining smash streamer because he doesn't give a damn. The point is that the smash community will live on because the game is hype and by that alone, an audience will always come out. But as far as being huge like Mk, Sf and Tekken, that automatically off the table until Nintendo comes back around or the community has a huge overhaul

Is the smash community full of predators still?

Gimr feels like the quote "I tried nothing and I ran out of ideas." I love how he finally admitted to the security issue.

Yeah we need to re build the smash community from the ground up

Was Double Down also where Hungry Box was throwing up blood?

I hate that I enjoy smash because the community is genuinely one of the worst online

The biggest Lofton L since the bathroom at the old Xanadu location

If I remember right, Ludwig wasn't a part of Moist at the time. Doesn't really matter or change anything, but felt misleading in the video

Man, Ludwig and Moist once again, looking incredibly grimy here. Running defense for child abusers and their enablers for the sake of profit.

Waiting for someone to post on Reddit

To be fair I think Lud and Charlie would have had a different response if Nintendo had said something more directly related to security. With no context, health and safety isn’t exactly a lot to go off of.

Smash just can't keep its hands to itself and stay out of trouble, can it? Always gotta be in the headlines somewhere about how self-destructive they are. It's all crappy and I wish legit people didn't have to suffer because of idiots.

Uhm so @thefranChise my dude are you or Technicals going to cover the Juno and Wadi controversy?

As a Canadian this is insane. Not having security for an hour should not matter, what is the concern? Geniun question was there something that wanted to be stolen or is it just security for random acts of violence?

Charlie moist and the entire smash community are the biggest JOKE

Something's always has rubbed me the wrong way with Gimr. Then i saw Technical's video, and Gimr came across hell bad imo.

this really sucks, ESAM's fault ngl

I've said once and I'll say it as many times as I need to. Charlie makes good content, but any take he has about Nintendo is braindead.

Smash community in nutshell, no responsibility

Smash has the weirdest community. I've tried to get into it back on 2012 and try it out but damn those guys are weird and besides smelling bad they always looked upto top players for no reason

Dog I don’t think Ludwig or Charlie knows who technicals is or anything about that situation, Twitter was too flooded with the panda stuff for them to even possibly see it

so do you really think Nintendo made their decision based on technicals? they actually have no idea who he is lol

I remember driving to events and passing out in sleeping bags at peoples houses during “events”. Having the 20 year old homies drive us even though I was 15. Odd to think those were peak days for melee

Funniest part about this is how you and Technicals have literally become like the Batman and Robin of the smash community lmao

Next Time on how can the smash bros community can self destruct itself

I would just play with friends or play online after hearing this mess, not even go to tourneys. Im done with the smash community for good reason and i felt even happier 😊

Main fucking reasons nintendo doesn't want to help you

How much you wanna bet these slime balls are gonna get a mr beast sponsor to save the smash scene. Please let this comment age like milk

He's gonna have to go back to the lab for this one..

Can someone please make a video explaining why this is only happening in the US, and why almost every person involved is a brawl player? I'm not connected to the US scene, but you guys have to be doing something wrong at a fundamental level for so many controversies to keep happening. Why is it only US smash and not any other big game with open bracket locals?

While I do agree that GimR is doing everything in his power to avoid responsibility, I think that making fun of him when it was the security guards who just up and left when that had never happened before is a little unfair. Still, though; this whole fiasco is ridiculous and is an example of why neither Nintendo nor the rest of the FGC is willing to invest in/give any respect to Smash. Seriously, can Smash players and TO's act rationally (and not sleep with children) for even five minutes?

I do agree that tournament do need to have better safety regulations but to be fair I've been to A LOT of events where post 10pm on Saturdays or Sundays there's little to no security. but on the other side of the coin most of that was pre covid so I definitely agree that having increased standards in a world post Madden shooting and post covid is a very important thing, to me it just seems like vgbc is just an org that's been around for a long time just lagging behind which in any other situation where someone like tech does something like what he did, you just say my b go next and improve in the future. the fact that no accountability is being taken is very tilting

Bro, GIMR sucks. The day him & ESAM just walk away from smash will be amazing

This video rocks but there was no BEN

VGBC was def in the wrong to let their security walk away, but it’s crazy that people think tech was in the right dressing as a girl and bringing the sign

thats why jifour the goat

Would a religious person truly lie? I stand with God is My Rock.

All it took was one random Lad whom loves doing wacky stuff.

somehow, he returned somehow, no one noticed the security left

1:35 love the ace attorney music :D rarely hear that haha, and you used a lot of it too .. nice haha

I like your video making some needed criticism but your painting the picture like Gimr is a bad guy I agree with all the points you made But you gotta remember this man is a TO of the Smash Community, not the easiest job in the world. I mean most TOs don't even make profit and are kind of just burning cash away for the sake of their passion. I say this because at some point Gimr probably out his own money to make VGBC happen and I'm pretty sure he works like hell being a TO to manage the tournament. If you were working for long hours it's logical that you might forget if something is missing like security, not saying it's right that's fair point you made. Without Gimr Smash might not be as successful as it is. And you might say we don't need him other people can do it. Yes you're right other people can but we don't see them. Remember 2GG, they're not running anymore. Depending on when you joined Smash, you might not have even made this channel if it wasn't for VGBC. I've been apart of the Smash Community since Smash 4, so I appreciate the work that Gimr has done. I don't know him personally but he's not a bad guy heart. Not say he should be the only doing tournaments. If you're reading this then support your local tournaments might be the next VGBC.

this comunity NEEEDS to matury really fast!