"Victims Of The Accept Jesus Heresy" 

If God promises to save all who believe and then you begin to watch those who believed to determine by their works if they are saved, then you're actually waiting to see if God really kept His promise.

5:41 when it starts

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Warning anecdote: Growing up in church it was a constant decision making factory the discipleship side of the house struggled. However, God in his mercy led me to a place where discipleship did happen. Where men held my feet to the fire and said you must give up your sin. Now does my conversion not count? I would say no and the reason why is because I knew 2 things I was a sinner and Jesus paid the debt. When we walk with God we truly carefully consider our salvation with fear and trembling. We know that we are saved. The assurance is there. However we become more and more aware of the sin we do commit and the condition of our heart. Which from what I have experienced changes more and more towards the desires of God.

I think about this topic a lot especially when it comes to Christian camps. Young life does a good job of building up the previous day during there camps to end with Jesus dying and resurrecting. The campers by then are more likely to comprehend and apprehend what is salvation. Other camps seem to offer a lot behavior modification by way of scripture and when a camper “accepts” that they believe they are saved. I just want our campers to know and see Jesus.

I would like these guys explanation how it was possible for the criminal hanging on a cross next to Jesus whom never having been saved or studied, or did any good works was told by Christ. "Today you will join me in Paradise". It was simply the words by that criminal "Jesus remember me when you enter your Kingdom". A statement of belief by the man moments before his death. I can't believe the arrogance of these two men of God. So are we to never accept the coming to Christ by anyone without proof? It has to start somewhere. Even if insincere the seed has been planted. How pompous and self righteous these to sound as if elevated above the unsaved. They sound like a works based religion. They sound like the Pharassis and sudducees of Christ time. The formula for being saved. I don't recall Jesus anywhere in the bible putting forth a learning curriculum to be saved. Simple and direct. Believe in the lord Jesus and though shalt be saved. Ask forgiveness and accept me as your Lord and savior. No fine print. No demands of extensive knowledge. The journey to a relationship with the father, son and holy spirit begins with acceptance and belief. A lifetime of growth and understanding will follow, but it has to have a beginning. It appears you really thought you hit onto a hot topic and what for. A Podcast? more views? Speak in the truth of God and put your worldly desires aside gentlemen. Remember there might be a timber in your own eye while you profess and condemn the splinter in anothers eye. Be very careful when tossing around the term Heresy. It might just come home to roost in your own heart.

I've never met a pastor who preaches "receive Jesus" and then you're all set, no need to do anything else so just sit back and enjoy your free ticket. With that said people who preach against cheap grace are accused of works salvation. Opinions and tensions run high on this but when people sit down and talk about it we tend to agree more than we disagree. The real issue I think is over once saved always saved vs Perseverance of the Saints. Those who teach you can lose your salvation so you better be living the life or else you might lose salvation at any moment, that does sound like works righteousness to me.

As always, great back and forth on interesting topics, gentlemen!

This is so confusing. I don't think it as simple as saying if you are a Christian you will hate sin. Part of the lure of sin is that you like it. Saying you hate it doesn't make you hate it. I think these are just litmus tests that Christians try and put out to see who is in an who is out. When in reality, we have to trust Jesus and not be concerned.

How are you going to say the language of scripture is so important then proceed to quote it in a language it wasn't originally written in? Hersey was the correct way to address this issue. When the basis of your worship is sola sciptora it leaves doors open to heretics. Everyone can "discern" whatever they want and create new theology. This is what happens when you take the Bible out of the context of the church and its traditional use.

Reject Protestant heresy. Accept Holy Orthodoxy ☦️