You said it Scott, Vince is going strong, yet the victims are still dealing with the pain. I truly wish DUI laws gets more stern each year. Thanks Scott🥰
vince neil is an asshole we need to do so much more and better of a job of stopping very very large numbers of drunk people from ever getting behind the wheel because most people that know or see drunk people really arent doing anything at all to stop drunk people they know or see from driving this needs to be done so much more often and better which really should have been done over 2 decades ago what the hell
@@Alien300Blackout yeah, Skylar killed Neil's soul. Especially because so many people said Skylar's death was his karma for Razzle. People tried to tell Neil God doesn't give a child kidney cancer to get back at the dad but people still say it.
Nikki Sixx said at the end that this tragedy made the band tighter, but it didn't. This actually caused a permanent rift in Motley Crue that has never healed.
We lived in Redondo Beach at the time this happened. I’ll never forget how angry the community was over the punishment being the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. It just wasn’t right.
The fine Vince paid was for the victims in the other car. Razzle's family didn't receive one red cent. I saw an interview of Vince saying himself he got off easy and felt guilty about it. He also said he thought Skylar's death was his karma. Out of Motley Crüe, Mick is the most stand up guy. I believe Vince has a bigger heart now and still suffers the guilt of killing Razzle. I like Vince a whole lot better than Tommy. I can barely stomach Nikki at all.
@@roxannemoser I like their music but I always try to separate the art from the artist. Now that John 5 is stepping in for Mick, I really feel for him. He's a nice, down to Earth guy whose only vices seem to be collecting Kiss memorabilia and vintage Fender Telecasters. I just hope he's got his guard up.
@@roxannemoser Mick Mars is the most modest person in the group and the brains behind everything. There's a lot of folks who would disagree with me and say Nikki Sixx. I met Vince Neil one year at Las Vegas Motor Speedway at the drag strip. He was a guest of one the race teams. He was cool with fans. I did get a autograph from on a shirt. The new guy John 5 has very huge shoes too fill in the band. There's only Mick Mars one of the greatest guitarist ever.
I was the passenger in a horrific drunk driving incident a few years back. Really changed my perspective on life and made me never want to get into a car with a drunk driver ever again. Im lucky to be here
Glad you're still here also 🤗 it's scary, been there when another intoxicated friend was driving us all back he from a concert, I sat in the middle seat trying to help them drive, they kept saying I'm not drunk, in the back of my mind I knew differently and had to help because there where others in the vehicle drunk, so one by one they all got home safe, now it's just me over to the passenger seat, as they got me home safe I had asked if they wanted to crash at my place until later that day or eat something and relax until you sober up, they said no I'm fine, well it wasn't fine, they where hit Head on by another drunk driver on their way home, that driver wasn't killed but the person driving us all home did, the drunk driver that killed him got away with no time, because they thought because my guy was drunk and hey caused it and not the other dude since his blood content wasn't as high as for the other dude's.... Just sad, buzz driving to me is the same as drunk driving.... R.I.P to all that have been killed by a drunk driver... 🙏
@@DiogenesUlyanov unfortunately both of you are correct. Its great & amazing that you are still here! But both made an active choice to get in the vehicle. (IF, both of you were intoxicated) Either way, I hope I don't offend, its not my intention! This is just my opinion on these types of crashes.
My Nan got cleaned up by a drunk driver who crossed the median strip and hit her head on. It was in ‘64, and although she was lucky to survive she lived with the physical consequences of that accident for the rest of her life. I was 18 months old when it happened and 33 when she died..30 years of unnecessary suffering for one bloke’s bad choices. It frustrates me that people are still dying every day because of drunk drivers.
What a tragic story it's like my friends daughter who was 20. 2 years ago she was back seat passenger in a soft top with top down. The driver was fine the other passenger was seriously injured but recovered while keegan my friends beautiful daughter was killed instantly almost cut in half. The driver has only just gone to trial as he pleaded not guilty. It went to court last month he then pleaded guilty so waiting for sentencing in a few weeks. Now the driver was still aloud to drive no jail time no fine still waiting for justice. Something should be done to the drivers who cause death or serious injury shouldn't be allowed to just walk and carry on with their lives having taken other life. Anyway I shall stop there. Thanks Scott for sharing love from West Yorkshire UK ❤️ 🇬🇧
Great video as always Scott. I recently visited Razzles grave. He’s buried on the Isle of Wight off the South coast of England. It’s great too see where it all happened 🙏
I've never been to cali you're out there with the stars and that's where you should be ...your channel is a huge hit cause you are the best at what you do and I can't wait to see what's coming next like everyone else ..you're the new homerun king cause you cover the best subjects and do it with style humor and the research that is incredible
I remember when this happened. Surprised something like this didn’t happen earlier as the band was totally out of control with drink and drugs. Watched another RU-vidr pay respect to Razzle who is buried on the Isle Of Wight . #RIPRazzle
Fell in love with this band a couple of years back. Not sure why I had never really given the Crue a chance but they have some amazing songs. Didn't find out about this incident until I watched The Dirt which is an awesome movie. Baffles me how he didn't serve much time. Great video as always, Scott. Keep doing what you do best brother. Love from England.
@jayIgnition I hate being someone who says this... But if you liked the movie Dirt.. You HAVE TO read the book! I liked em both. But it isn't even close!! The movie misses 90% of the story.
Read the book goes into more detail about what was going on at the time with the band I too discovered motley Crue 3 years ago I was on heroin I was 23 in a bad spot in my life I've now been almost a year clean but Nikki's story resonates with me so much... Another person whose music I discovered while being lost in the black despair pit that is heroin addiction, is Prince.! He rocks too just like motley rox.. God bless guys
Great job and props to you for giving 85 Grave credit too. It's nice when people give credit to others that do hard work and you just don't take the info and just make it your own. Great job.
My dad used to party with the band a lot and I remember him telling me about this when I was a kid. Too bad I never got more stories after I grew up he passed away
I remember when this tragedy happened. I got most of my music news from Circus magazine or MTV. I wasn’t aware the accident occurred so close to where the bands were partying. Also never knew about the occupants in the VW and how badly they were injured. Vince Neil did not receive just punishment for all of the devastation he caused, imo. Such an awful thing to have happened that could have obviously been avoided. RIP Razzle
I just watched this for the first time. I’m a huge Hanoi Rocks fan so I’ve avoided watching any videos about the crash since it will only make me angry. You did a wonderful job sticking to the facts, not dramatizing it. You were also very respectful of Razzle and the other two people horribly injured in the accident. I thank you for that. Hanoi was a magical, once in a lifetime band. It’s tragic how things ended for Razzle and for the band but they left behind some of the most amazing music I’ve ever heard.
Times and laws were different. The guy the drunk driver that killed Criss Oliva (guitarist of Savatage) served 18 months of a 5 year sentence, no big pay out and he had 7 prior DUI's.. That to me is way more of a slap on the wrist. and he wasn't famous.
I def agree. Had this happened back then with today's tech, Vince either would had gotten cancelled or would never live it down. He even admitted in the VH1 documentary he bought his way out of jail.
I remember my cousin telling me about this in the summer of '85. I was a little 7 year old kid who loved Motley Crue and I refused to believe him. To me, at the time, these guys were stars who could do no wrong. Now, looking back, it's amazing when I think about the fact that it was Tommy who warned Vince not to get behind the wheel. When Tommy Lee is the voice of reason, the situation is pretty much FUBAR.
Tommy seems more normal like sure he’s done stupid stuff but he’s never hurt anyone or killed anyone like Vince. At least Tommy handles his booze and doesn’t do stupid things like what Vince did. Tommy’s a little nuts but he’s never killed or harmed anyone, he’s ok in my book. At least he acts responsibly when he drinks. Common sense Vince doesn’t have whatsoever
@@Stewieboy1995Tommy crashed his motorcycle and crushed his passenger hand in the process. He was fucked up. Didn't serve a day. Nikki crashed his car around the time of Vince's accident. Luckily no one was in his car.
I knew Razzle well right from his days in The Fuck Pigs, Demon Preacher and The Dark. I remember when he was offered the gig with Hanoi Rocks. He was best mates with my mate Adam. We used to hang out quite a bit especially in The Marquee Club and Gossips in Soho. Great times especially for a young punk rocker who was fresh outta high school hanging out with members of Hanoi Rocks. One surreal moment I always fondly remember was being at my dads playing my guitar when my mate Adam, Razzle and Nasty Suicide turned up, we were probably going to The Marquee or 100 Club or similar. I always remember Nasty raving about the tone I was getting from my Leo valve practice amp. I lost touch with my mate and Razzle at the time of his death but I remember my mate being devastated it was extremely sad news Razzle really was a very placid unassuming lovely bloke.
Everytime I see an accident or I see an ambulance pass me I pray that whoever is in ambulance or in a crash I always pray that everyone is kk or when I pass the cemetery I always say rip to all who lost their live rip that's just out of respect thxz for a great video scott
HEY SCOTT!!! thank you for sharing this ... when i was 19years old in 1977 i was driving my 64 impala ss coming back from the drive in movies,and we were drunk!! well i hit a utility pole doing 95 and my best freind that was in my passenger seat died.. i just broke my leg.. i got neglagent homicide and 10 year probation and 90 days in jail and 500 hours of comunity service...and i still suffer everyday for the guilt and loss of my best freind virgil ray .😪
I just signed up for 85 grave thank u for being respectful even tho u have ur opinions at the same time he lost his daughter so there's a lot he's going thru also
RIP Nicholas "Razzle" Dingley. I was a HUGE Hanoi Rocks fan. I discovered them through GNR. Izzy made his stage image after Andy McCoy. Edit: not one dime of the restitution went to Razzle's family. I saw an interview where Vince says he still feels guilty. Sharise was pregnant with Skylar when this happened, and Vince said he believes Skylar's death was his fault too. He said it was his karma for getting off so easy. He also said that he didn't ask Doc McGhee to fight so hard for that easy time, but he didn't reject it when it was handed down. He had to stay sober during tours as Tommy and Nikki were shooting heroin and ridiculing Vince for having to stay clean. He eventually couldn't handle it and started drinking again, but he never did heroin. Andy McCoy gave Nikki the shot that made him overdose. Nikki wasn't hit with a baseball bat, nor thrown in a dumpster. Andy did CPR until the ambulance arrived. Andy left when Nikki showed back up and told him he was stupid. Here's Andy's story: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7rkfWUhuqXw.html
Your comments aren't harsh at all Scott. Anyone else would have done some serious time for such an accident, if you can call it that. Money talks and people walk. Vince issued a court room apology to one of the victims, besides the payout that was it. Thanks for showing this location. I have Chynnas' autobiography, I'll have to check out your video about her. RIP Razzle ❤️💐🕊️🌈
@@robertmckay2833 A lot of times it's true. As Scott pointed out, Motley Crue was a the top of their game at this time and it would have been a blow to them and their organization if their lead singer got locked up. Millions of dollars would have been lost. It's disgusting that money prevailed over justice in this case, but in a subtle way Divine Justice prevailed.🌄
@@laurastrobel718While I agree money helps, it's not like people normally get a huge sentence for vehicular manslaughter. At the end of the day it was an accident, a mistake. Obviously an avoidable one and horribly tragic.
Yet another interesting story which I’m just learning about from you, Scott. I was 9 or 10 when this happened. You always do such a great job with your videos, and I always learn something new. Thank you!
What a Horrible shame. Alcohol and driving will never go away. Like you said the one driving that strong because usually the one that doesn’t get hurt. It’s the innocent they end up losing their lives thank you Scott for this video
Paul of Unusual things vlog have done after my request , a great video about his grave. I appreciate and he was very kind! Thanks to him and to you that remember also Razzle .. not very often is done, a lots of musicians or music appassionate don’t know about this tragic story. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 great Scott Vince Neal after this , lost his daughter .. karma? I don’t know, but in think that this thing of razzle rest for him for all his life.
Last week, after I was done work and on my way home (this is at about 6:30 or 7 in the morning), I actually was stuck in traffic. I hate sitting in traffic but there was nothing I could do. The reason why traffic was so backed up is because there was a really bad accident on the other side of the interstate going north (I was going south). I didn't understand why those going south were going so slow, but you said it right, everyone slows down and looks. The thing that went through my mind when I got a glimpse of the accident was that I pray that everyone was okay. It was a very bad accident as well. Very well done video as usual and I love watching your videos!
Awesome job again, Scott. I was never that into Motley Crue so I guess I never digested this story when it originally broke back in the day. But I love your take on it, and I can't agree with you more. I've been in a few car accidents - and the way you describe the "explosion" and crunch, etc - it immediately took me back there. Fortunately for me and those involved - it was mostly "minor" accidents, but serious all the same. Anyway - thanx for the story and interesting facts. Take care, my friend.
I like motley Crüe but not so much these past years since I’ve grown up. I realize they’re egotistical jerks and just horrible people. They also can’t close their mouths especially Nikki. I thought they were cool as a kid but now I’m 27 and I just realize they’re not good people, better rockstars to appreciate and admire. These motley boys are drunks, druggies and womanizers like don’t have to be a pig with women. No respect for people these clowns. Lost respect for them years ago when I realized how stupid they are, especially Vince and the crash.
WOW this is great!!! I’ve met Vince twice and a huge Crue fan🤘I remember this like yesterday I was 12yrs old when this happened and had just bought Theater Of Pain Motley Crue was getting huge then and this happened and I was so young then I didn’t exactly realize the magnitude of it until years later so tragic 😢 great one Scott 👍thanks brother!!!
ToP came out the summer of '85. The crash happened half a year before its release, although the court case concluded two months after ToP hit the shelves. Vince's actions killed his friend, and left two other people with permanent brain damage for the rest of their lives. In his own words from his book, he said "you could tell they were very f-cked up." I can like the music, but fuck Vince Neil.
When you met Vince, was he nice, or an a$$hole. The one time I met him, he was very humble. Drunk, but humble. He was polite and said thank you to me when I told him Motley was dead wrong for firing him.
@@Caffeine_Club Vince himself said that he still feels guilty and he blames himself for his daughter's death. He said in an interview I saw that he thought Skylar's death was his karma.
@@roxannemoser that's ridiculous. He was responsible for Razzle's death, and permanently injuring the other two people that night, but his daughter's disease had zero to do with Vince Neil's actions. Let him feel bad for those he did harm, not for his innocent child who had nothing to do with his terrible decision.
@@roxannemoser Karma works that way sometimes, I don't hate Vince I actually like him and MC but I don't think it was a concidence that his daughter passed, and that sucks because the little girl didn't deserve it.
❤Scott, I hope you see this. THANK YOU for this one. My son was killed by a drugged driver fleeing from the police, 5 years ago. People need to be more aware of this stuff even when it isn’t Vince Neil. I will never be the same.❤️
Love your stuff . I laughed so hard when you side tracked at some high pitch noise and you were like whats going on up there and then went back to this amazing story. Much love and peace my friend. Keep rocking 🤟🤟🤟 my brother
I point the finger at Vince for the whole situation, but I also point the finger to everyone who was at that party who allowed Vince to get behind the wheel and drive. That walk is 30 mins, tops?? Never should have happened. Great video btw.
This is one of rock’s saddest stories, and Vince Neill got off lightly, but living with the knowledge that people died or had their lives forever changed for the worse because of you can’t be easy. You can only drink so much of that responsibility away. Razzle was a really special human being….can’t say the same for Vince.
Great video Scott. Hopefully it will serve as a warning for anyone that decides to drink and drive. I remember this incident well because I was sixteen at the time. Since it was pre-internet accurate information was hard to come by. The following Monday after the wreck, someone at school told me Tommy Lee had been killed. I knew better because I had seen an article in the newspaper a day or so after it happened.
Still blows my mind that Neil skated with essentially a very large fine and no serious jail time. I guess money can get you out if a lot of problems. I love old Crue, but seriously, he should have been doing hard time for that level of negligence. A .17 is about 6-8 drinks in an hour for a person of Vince's body type (170-190 lbs). Plus how much coke, etc... yeah. He got off light.
My step father in 1959 was 17 and out partying with his girl friend and another couple. He hit a car and killed a 17 yr old boy. He did about 4 or 5 yrs in prison. Most of his life he was a children church pastor and never drank. My younger half sisters never knew about what happened till decades later. I always knew but Mom ask me to never talk about it, so I never did. But others around at the time including my real father all told me my step father wasn't driving, his gf Jackie was and recently discovered she was pregnant. So he took the rap. Maybe he didn't talk about it because he didn't want to lie or blame..idk. Neil didn't only thwart accountability- he continued a reckless lifestyle. Young people make mistakes I know I was reckless at times, so just grateful I never hurt anybody. But to kill somebody and continue such mistakes is something I can't wrap my head around.
Super coverage as per usual Scott. He should of received at least 12 years. I stayed in Santa Monica. For quite a long while. Months. I love Santa Monica Pier and Malibu. I walked past these condos and never knew they lived there. I respect your views and I completely agree with you. Craig and the boys send their love. They watch lots of your videos and they have even watched vids from years ago you made. Loads of love and respect from us all bud. You are the best on youtube
Scott, I had a visceral reaction to this video. I remember the first car accident I heard to this day. It was about 40 years ago. Thankfully, no one was seriously hurt. I do remember that I heard the loudest out of place bang. I knew what it was and I ran around the corner to the accident scene and saw a car had hit a light pole. I called emergency services and the lady driving was okay. In 1993, a girl I went to high school with had came from college and brought her best friend back to my hometown for the Christmas holiday break. They decided to join her brother and his girlfriend for a night out. Unfortunately, the brothers girlfriend chose to drive drunk. They skidded on the icy roads and smashed into a tree. Both of the girls in the back seat were killed instantly. The brother in the front seat had life changing brain trauma. Our community is still struggling
You Tube channel 'Unusual Things' has the British story & visits Razzles final resting place, really good accompaniment to this video! AWESOME JOB SCOTT
Hanoi Rocks reunited in 2002, released three new albums and one Best Of record, and finally disbanded again in 2009. They were extremely successful in Europe and had a huge following in Japan. They took their final bows in April of 2009 after playing 8 farewell shows on six consecutive days at Europe’s oldest rock club in Helsinki, Finland. Michael Monroe, their lead singer, continued as solo artist afterwards, less glam as before, but still a rock legend going strong to this day. Yet, in all those years, he made sure Razzle was never forgotten, dedicating songs to him during live performances, keeping his memory alive.
I remember this happening. I'm a huge fan of Motley Crue but a small slap on the wrist for killing one and severely injuring two others. 30 days in jail released after only 15 days?!? Yes, he paid a huge fine but the whole situation could have been avoided. Hire a driver!! You had the money, Vince ‼️ Thanks Scott for another in depth and detailed upload. 😊
Not really a huge fine for one death and 2 serious injuries, one of whom permanently disabled needing care etc. After lawyers fees the victims didn’t really get enough, especially considering Vince could have afforded to pay a lot more
I got to know and meet the guys from crue after this incident. My first time hanging out Vince had just been released in jail and they were back on the theater of Pain Tour. He had shorter hair, seemed quite compared to the rest of the guys. I think loosing his daughter then this has taken a toll on him personally.
@LCA-Auctions he lost his daughter in the 90s this happened when he was young in 1984 some say Skylar dying was his karma t hey do not know the Lord I serve Vince has never gotten over this or Skylar so yes he chose to drink he needs treatment not condemnation
I think he needs to realize it’s the two in that other car that have to live their lives having someone help them go to the bathroom and eat and bathe. He doesn’t give a damn and I don’t care his daughter died, he’s taken enough lives in one night. He just needs to realize you took two young peoples lives that now are vegetables basically you took their lives away by your stupidity. I don’t see him ever giving a Damn about those two young kids, it’s always his daughter who passed. I understand it’s sad but how many lives did he destroy in one night
This was a great video. I don't even remember hearing about this car accident at the time and I have always been into rock and heavy metal. Like you said, you miss the news one or two nights and no Internet....
So sad, Razzle was so young!! I grew up liking Crue’s music, but not gonna lie, 15 days in jail for manslaughter!?? I guess money talks. RIP Razzle, 🌹peace to the families. Your videos are awesome Scott keep em coming!!🙏🏽👍
'I'm a living wreck, I live in Tooting Bec!' - Razzle RIP. Hanoi Rocks had a song called Tragedy, a song called Dead by Christmas, and a song called Malibu Beach Nightmare. It happened between Xmas & New Year, it was Redondo, not Malibu, but it sure was a tragedy.Vince Neil swore he would never do it again. But Vince Neil is a serial DUI offender. The drive was 2 minutes, maybe could have walked it, or got a cab? Michael Monroe split the band up, he felt the band was never the same again without Razzle, unfortunately Vince Neil never really learned his lesson, I am sure he regrets it, but he never really served his time either., HOABL
Alot of lives were destroyed over this RIP Razzle..Iost a brother in 1985 in a plane crash he was the pilot 24yrs old.We never got a straight answer on what really happened rumors of faulty engine on old Cessna my parents did not pursue justice in my opinion🖤😪
Paul from unusual things did a video recently on the final resting place of ‘Razzle’. Love watching both your channels so interesting what you do. Thank you
He literally opened several bars. Also, he continued partying for quite sometime immediately following Razzle's death. If actions speak louder than words, he most certainly spit on the graves of his friend and the other victims. He is a pos.
Hey Scott thanks for this, I only knew what was on the Dirt ,and sketchy stuff back when it happened back when! iam 61 my mind not so clear anymore lol 😆
