Virgin Pilot GETS ANGRY DURING TAXI | "That is incredibly poor" 

Kind of like "bless your heart". lol

Wasn't it "grow up gents?"

I love the British.

No the red coats are coming lol not worried I’ll be waiting gents 💀🔫😎

@@andrewbarker8027 it was indeed.

Why do you say that out of curiosity lol

@@oramaj8392 I think it’s because they taxi really fast.

How do you know it was southwest?

@@trechan maybe because the plane was in SW colors??

@@derrickstorm6976 yeah but you have no idea if it was a southwest pilot that said it. Ground is an open frequency with plenty of other pilots from other carriers listening

All aprons are 'non-movement areas'. Ground does not control movements in a non-movement area. Once you cross the line in to a movement area, then ground directs aircraft movements. Taxiing, towing, and service vehicles in a non-movement area are self-directed or marshaled by personnel.

@@llaughridge How do such uncontrolled areas properly function without formal direction from the tower?

I came here to say this.

@@llaughridge That may be true, but the taxiways are still controlled. The vast majority of commercial airports in the US require clearance to push because the aircraft is entering the AOA.

Literally two gates for heavy aircraft it isn’t that surprising

Excellent shithousery

I'm offended by it. I should like within myself deeper and ask why.

The Poms, the Limeys

Made me chuckle too

Not very original. It seems like it’s their favourite phrase on these videos.

their motto isn't "Keep it Weird" for nothing!

AUS isn't a large international airport though.

Austin is only a class charlie.

It would have been tempting to key up with the 'ol " Ain't from around here, are ye?"

In no way does KAUS qualify as "large"

The Ramp Agents aren't in communication with the aircraft.

@@mistahshade Yes they are, either plugged in or using hand signals, give it a rest

I'm a pushback driver at an airport where ramp is uncontrolled so I use situational awareness to keep track of other aircraft that are passing and act accordingly. Whenever it looks like there may be a conflict I advise the cockpit to make a courtesy call for the sake of everyone's situational awareness. I feel that the southwest pushback driver and wingwalkers should have yielded but I wasn't there so I don't know the full story (reduced visibility?, high workload?, etc)

Virgin was likely around the corner of the terminal so the tug driver probably couldn’t see them when they began the push. Then comes around the Virgin. It’s really no one’s fault.

@@mistahshade You have no idea what you're talking about lmao

Can confirm he was livid. Source: Am British.

This is probably “livid” for a British person :P !

When a Brit speaks like that you know you're in trouble

@@wootle I can guarantee first hand that most of us Brits don't speak in with a typical airline pilot's voice.

@@tomvalentine4928 definitely would have sounded different on the CVR recording😂 Source: I’m Scottish

only when Virgin is on the ramp 😁

@@nw6gmp - Correction: When Southwest is operating.

this is not europe or asia: just because someone gets upset does not mean they need to hire a bunch of staff that will end up doing nothing thruout the day just to avoid upsetting a foreigner once a day

@@brianlacroix822 Go on gent 😃

@@einokalonen1313 MOM!

Both airline and the ground handler want to enforce their "on time departure" and clearly didn't respect any others.

@@rapgomes "Freedom" to some people seems to mean "fuck you guys I got mine". Courtesy be damned.

@@rapgomes the airliner wasn't under its own power. Entirely on the ground crew

I would agree with virgin if he wasn't such a whiner. You don't need to clutter up comms with insults and threats to report, something he was doing long before any of the other pilots ribbed on him

@@wood42shed ..pretty sure the guy quipping freedom was saying it as a joke and not meaning it, especially because the Virgin pilot was British. At the end of the day this is on the tug drivers. They're pushing the SW aircraft and can see - the pilots can't.

lol

Not to sound rude but, if you've never been on a busy commercial ramp, you can't comment here. A 737-800 is around 120' long and knowing southwest, the plane was buried in ten other planes. The ground crew cannot see other planes around the aircraft. Some airlines will sometimes use a backer who stands down on the ramp, but not always, especially on airports with light traffic (as Austin used to be), or where is controlled. So unless the plane is right behind you, they can't see it. Clearly the Virgin was far enough down he had time to stop, so he was probably close to a quarter of a mile away, far enough back to not be an issue.

@@jhmcd2 never mind that the ground crew is trained to push when it's safe, not when it's considerate, especially when they have no way of knowing where that plane is going if they can even see it. As far as Southwest costumer service goes, having worked directly for or via codeshare for five different US carriers, I have to say the above person has no clue.

@@jhmcd2 you don't have a clue about how a ramp works....

@@jhmcd2 Got to be a 10 second penalty for unsafe release? lol

@@yuridekhed1935I believe that’s what he meant. The SWA barged their way out.

@@roler95So what? Life is too short. Get over it. To get in the radio and start talking about making reports and how awful it was is extremely unprofessional.

I bet SW wanted to get out in front of the Virgin "Heavy" so that they wouldn't have to wait the additional time/clearance due to the excessive wake turbulence.

It’s not uncommon. MDW works the same way

Notice how the total amount of US airport taxes for a domestic flight are like $5? It works fine don't Europe-ify the USA please we like our prosperity.

if it works it works i guess 😂

Ya it’s not uncommon, iv worked at a few without ramp control, it almost always works as well as the ones I’ve worked at with controlled ramps

The Virgin guy just being a bitch because at a European airport ground always controls the pushes of aircraft. It’s not like they did anything unsafe sure they could have waited. He just wanted to go first and the controller even said he could side step and he was probably a by the book guy who thinks ”I have to follow the taxi lines”I hope they teach this stick up the ass European a lesson when his report gets the runaround.

Love the comment

They absolutely CRUISE on the taxiways at my airport. Sometimes you half expect a gear to come off the ground when they're making a turn from one to another.

Go for push back...Check Air speed alive....Roger Left on Charlie, hold short RR 22.....Unable

there's a road where i work where SW is en route to their home airport. watching them drop to pattern altitude while turning in line is some of if not the best aviating i've seen. "fly it like you stole it"

I’ve been on SW flights multiple times where I thought we were taking off only for us to turn onto another taxiway

That's a redneck kind of pushback.

@@bobby1970 ALL REDNECK🤣🤣

Or just reckless stupidity.

That is what we call obnoxious

shut up

In their defense, they're not controlling the pushback, the tow driver is.

@@-HughJass- I don't think any aircraft tug driver in the World is supposed to push or pull an aircraft of that size without approval from the flight deck, even if it is just a groundie who is there to be on the brakes.

I guess for a country that elected Humpty Trumpty for President, it is not surprising that some of their pilots do not see the irony of that statement in this situation.

@@hitchmille Do i really need to explain to you how its irrelevant whether they had approval or not? Its also extremely ironic that you're some far left weirdo who is so obsessed with Trump that you bring him into a conversation about air traffic, without understanding that ATC approval doesn't mean shit if drivers & ground guides aren't paying attention to their surroundings.

True fact

@@sncy5303 Who,, exactly is "eberybody"? That's not even an English word...

US-style box junctions are pretty polite places. On the West Coast anyway. True that Brits *hate* queue-jumpers, but every country's got its own priority rules. Your freedumb ends when you scratch my shiny aeroplane

Um have you ever driven in London?? There is no such thing as courtesy or discipline.

@@sncy5303 Don't you mean if they could meet somewhere in the middle, BOTH of them would be perfect countries???

I think It would have ended in a ban actually...

on vatsim the southwest would have apologized and said: "Sorry mate, you can taxi through me" :D

VATSIM is a shitty kindergarten platform. Totally DARK!!!!

Something similar did happen to me on VATSIM. Turkish air fool pushed back from an adjacent gate, and stood idle on the ramp for 10 minutes as I was waiting for him to taxi to start my push...As soon as I announced my pushback he decided to start his taxi so I had to abort...infuriating. His compatriot gang of Turkish air morons then stood ON the SINGLE runway for 5 minutes at a time, sequencing themselves by standing idle on the runway despite traffic on final...I was LIVID.

@@Cruz474 That is annoying indeed. Try visit a busy TNCM in VATSIM without ATC 🤣

Many many ramp areas in the US are uncontrolled. The SWA ground crew appears to be the ones at fault here, because ground crews at uncontrolled ramps are responsible for coordinating pushes to optimize the flow of traffic, and make sure their pushbacks don't cause conflicts like this. The Virgin pilot is justified in being frustrated, but not at the SWA pilots or ATC; neither one is responsible for this situation. The comments were unnecessary but the Virgin pilots did not really know what was going on in the first place.

Not used to a bit of freedom are you?

@@Cruz474 i was in the USA and got screamed at by a cop because I walked across a road. That’s real freedom.

@@Cruz474 Aviation isn’t about freedom, it’s about safety. This is a poor and dangerous way to run an airport. Would you rather your pilots got you to your destination the safest or free-est way to your destination. If you’d go for the latter, you’re an idiot.

The sad little Southwest pilots trundling along on their domestic routes. Bet they felt cool after that one. Regardless, the active taxi had the right of way and ATC gave them clearance. The SWA push team were in the wrong, the SWA pilots were just dicks about it unnecessarily.

I second that observation. They also taxi too fast. They practically come up on two wheels exiting the runway. Then throttle up down the taxiway and never throttle back down.

this guy knows whats going on. you can tell it's part of the swa culture by the way all the other company pilots chimed in on freq. however as all sane aviators should know, it simply isn't safe (let alone courteous) to push back just in front of an approaching jumbo

That's why I fly southwest. They get you there faster

@@pummer and how do you know what company those other pilots work for??

@@rael5469 SWA goes hard yeah it's sick

Typical yank actions. Higher than thou bullshit is normal. Thats why the world smirks when y’all walk in.

You must not fly SWA that often. I agreed with you until you hit the "half speed" comment. SWA will run and gun the whole way into the sky. I have been on planes where the passengers were being swayed left/right by G forces...during taxi. Then one last turn - no slowing down - before they gun it hard into the sky. Keep in mind that SWA recruited heavily from military pilots, and it all makes sense.

@@FamilyManMoving dont get me started on the landing i had at cleveland years ago with SW i through i was dead i hit the runaway i fucking swear nose first it was so hard and ridiculous

@@NickyD About ten years ago, laded hard enough that the lead flight attendant got on the overhead and said, "...And with that direct impact, Southwest would like to welcome you to..." The pilot chimed in after that and said, "Sorry. That one is on me." Southwest does have personality, though not as much as they used to. I think passengers are too sensitive for most jokes these days. Thank social media for our humorless neighbors.

​@FamilyManMoving what about Ryan Air

Exactly

🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

Yep scary

Pilots don’t apologize for having a sense of humor

@@ME10920 this is scary? This aint shit lamo

In F1 that would be classed as an unsafe release...

@@hughjardon5101 $5k fine and a 10s penalty

Tug crew, who would be employed by SW Airlines or their contractor right, and where SWA potentially applies inappropriate schedule related pressure to their staff. So they should take the high level rap, and they can sort out how they change their effective corporate actions internally. But not get to pass the buck to junior staff directly, that's a cop-out and liable to lead to this continuing.

Found the Virgin Airlines pilot

There's more latitude on the ground frequency than on Tower - as Kennedy Steve made clear.

@@mattmanbrownbro ...and found he's truly a VIRGIN pilot.

The hurry culture gets people killed.

Yep, its actually terrifying we have people like that in ATC.

Note to self. Don't fly into Austin til this dude gets his ratings pulled

I recognized his voice right away.

DEI

Tf? SW plane didn't do shit. They didn't even control their plane; they werr being taxid. Those taxiing always have right of way due to them not having control over their own aircraft. Derp.

@@aa1bb2cc3dd4 He isnt blaming the pilots.. learn to read... Hes blaming SOUTHWEST... The ground crew, etc... he only called the pilots out on being snarky and rude to the Virgin pilots... maybe learn to read before you come act like you know what your doing.

@@aa1bb2cc3dd4 Typical dumb Yank attitude. Can't spell either.

There isn't any right of way on the ground for pilots, only in the air. The only exception is the runway, but on the ramp it's no mans land unless there's ramp control, which KAUS doesn't have.

Yeah that's what I don't get either

I would not consider Austin a busy airport. They are looking to build a new terminal to expand so will be interesting when construction starts if this is how people react.

what on earth makes you think it's busy lul

BNA in Nashville is also uncontrolled, it's kind of insane with the amount of traffic they handle (~19 million vs Austin's ~13 million). They are making it controlled here soon though.

What's really a shocker are Class C airports that default to Class E airports at a designated time, when the towered ops end and the airspace reverts to untowered ops. It is not uncontrolled, there are still rules and regulations in place that must be followed, it is just untowered, but most people use the word "uncontrolled." But essentially you could have a large airliner on final with a couple hundred people on board about to land while some guy in a Cessna 172 is short of the runway wanting to takeoff and these two will need to sort it out if the tower has ended operations for the day. And if that isn't enough, you don't even need to have a radio. But while this may seem wreckless and chaotic, it has worked just fine for decades and goes on all the time every day across the US. Most of the time, airports are owned by the city and cities are notoriously cheap, just look at the roads.

He got cooked either way lol

Hey... local rules, when in rome!

I'm with a virgin in the Atlantic.

@@txaggievet Yup local rules. Next time find a Southwest plane about to miss their slot, park behind it to do some checks.

@@txaggievet Here the problem is there are no rules, it’s uncontrolled. There are better ways to manage safety on a ramp.

@@milesaharrison Im not disagreeing.. I am just saying, this is the airports rules, get them to change the rules, but dont get mad at ATC

... which he did.

@@FlyNAA The opposite is true 1:14

ATC can't see everywhere.

doesn't sound like the interests of safety will exceed the racist-smugness poisoning the atc is suffering from.

@@JegTreSpillerDama Then they also should not tell, it is safe to pass a pushed back plane, when it is not.

They didn’t “push into an active taxiway.” Sounds like you’re the only amateur here with zero knowledge of how airline operations work. Ironically, the Virgin pilots with their panties in a bunch are in the same boat with you.

That's Southwest for you

The ramp is uncontrolled, so that’s not an active taxiway

@@intothevoid10 The ramp is not under ground control, perhaps, but the ramp is still under local control. And that doesn't justify pushing into the controlled taxiway that Virgin had been given clearance on.

@@cageordie I really don’t think it’s that deep. Sounds like these two things happened at the same time. That’s why there’s wing walkers ect. Before push is SUCH a busy time while you sign paperwork, talk to ground crew, gate agents, lead FA, ect…. They probably didn’t hear virgins call. And virgin way overreacted here. He’s clearly very unfamiliar and didn’t read the airport company pages

That's what I was thinking! You can hear it in the way he says all of his sentences in one breath.

that should be "LACK of Professionalism"

lighten up

Lots of people joke around but that was just lazy humor. SWA basically are known for it, haven't quite grasped the concept of banter.

Sounds like an issue with the ramp crew pushing too deep, not the pilots fault

A few years ago, a heavy FedEx struck the tail of a Southwest at KSLC. The Southwest was parked at the gate. Perhaps that's the incident you refer to.

The level of maturity shown by the quips from edgelord US pilots makes me embarrassed to call them countrymen. It's the same level of dunderheaded anti-OSHA sentiments that lead to complacency, sloppiness, then accidents in any industry. The general public should be appalled that anyone in charge of an airliner acts that as if their ego-driven meme-ing is a justified behavior, instead of being a chidlish lack of professionalism.

“Didn’t like that, review the system” is a staple of Austin and we’ll make sure it remains.

While we’re at it, the Brits obviously expected some latitude cause they’re big and British. We don’t do that here anymore.

@@Williemaxtx Correct... What you are famous for the world over is Big Heads and Bigger Mouths. Not sure where the Tiny Brains fit into the equation.

If nobody else gets the Pink Floyd reference, shame on them. Brilliant and hilarious comment.

Fact.

@@wsshead Well you kinda spoiled it there.

"English"? wtf are you talking about? Can't you recognise a Scottish accent?

They just gauge how quick the Virgin can stop, I guess. Even though it's far bigger. It's like playing chicken with a train. I'd complain to the airport that it could use some control on this ramp because of things like this. Just because it "is" uncontrolled doesn't mean at all that it "must stay" uncontrolled.

still, virgin pilot sounded like an idiot.waiting 1-2 min wouldnt kill him…he made sure to tell everyone twice he will file

@@johny5400 my thoughts exactly. Sure, Southwest was in the wrong but the Virgin pilot made this a bigger deal that it had to be and I’m glad he was ridiculed for it.

@@johny5400 what SW was plain dangerous

It's not really a case of if the virgin can stop- we're trained to be ready with the brakes at all times on the ground. It's more a case of bad practise- this is an industry where if there is a tiny mitigating factor you can do to improve safety, you all do it, all the time.

That ATController sounds exactly like the one that had a runway mishap there in AUS recently, between a FDX aircargo doing a CATIII ILS on 3mi final and the controller releasing a SWA jet in front of FDX. One can bring up the mishap on youtube under near collision Fed ex and southwest at Aus. Listen to the voice of the controller. Sounds exactly the same. Be careful flying into AUS.

That’s exactly what I thought too. I posted the same thing before reading your post.

@@CynicalWolverine Probably not how he wants to end up on this channel in either case.

He didn't do anything wrong.

It sounds like it

A mess of a ground operation? Where’s the mess?

@@trechan uncontrolled ramp with 737s pushing back into the path of taxiing widebodies is kind of a mess dude

@@charleskennedy1712 sometimes it happens. The Virgin crew stopped the aircraft like they were supposed to. By your standards, every airline is a “mess.” You gotta be more thick skinned and ready for anything if you get in the industry.

@@trechan Holy hell, what a dumb take. This is exactly how accidents happen. They were lucky visibility was good enough for Virgin to stop.

@@trechan Tug Driver, SW Pilots OR have you watched a different version to everyone else.

its a uncontrolled ramp - but there actually is a rule about this. An aircraft under its own power and already in motion gets right of way over an aircraft under tow and not under own power.

​@@CapStar362 I didn't know about that, thanks for explaining! Could you explain what it means to be under tow? I interpreted this video as if both were just driving up to the runway and one cut in front of the other

@@wessltov under tow means the aircraft is moved by an external tug. in addition is not powered by its own engines and under direction of the tug driver. Since Virgin 787 was operating by its own engines and not being towed by a tug, FAR States that they had absolute right of way.

@@CapStar362 Ah, now I understand it. The rules also make sense to me, given all that apparently goes into starting up and shutting down an airplane. Since all the other pilots seemed to have consensus and tower wasn't doing anything about it, I thought Virgin 787 was just being a stickler. Turns out it was both poor actions and poor attitudes all 'round

Gave you never been to S.E Asia? That is the name of the game...and you know what...IT WORKS🤣

I was lmao , love it

​@@neom0nk Today's Ramp Control brought to you by Sky Sport's Martin Brundle.

100%

OFC you 'can' but it should be the last thing you do in a cockpit.

Same here.

It’s not on the Southwest Pilots. They have no control when they push. The file should go on the ground crew

Could be!

this

Well, the SWA crew are not completely at the mercy of the ramp agents and tug crew - firstly, nobody is going to start pushing them back until they say they are ready, and secondly, they have BRAKES! But they think they are too special to wait their turn, which is why they are driving the short bus.

Well put.

@@phillee2814 If you as a pilot hit your brakes while the tug is pushing you back, wouldnt that cause a potential major damage to the airplane? Also, unless the FO was looking far to his right during pushback, no one in the cockpit would be aware of VA coming up on them. The tug driver would see this, however.

@@malcolm20091000 Not just the tug driver but the wing walkers and marshaller - who the Virgin Atlantic crew had seen. Is there any point in having such personnel if they fail so completely to do their jobs? And he doesn't need to hit the brakes when he is moving - just not release them until he has verified with everyone concerned (including the Virgin Atlantic crew via radio if there is any [not unreasonable] doubt about the visual acuity or trustworthiness of his ramp crew) that it is actually safe and reasonable for him to commence his manoeuvre.

🤣😂🤣

Troll

@@dakotafunnel5635 wanna bet?

I'm not sure but... "unbelievable" might be a fighting word in Britain

Instead of signing an email Best regards, using just Regards, shows extreme disgust in the UK. If a family member passes away that is described as "less than ideal"

Too complicated for americans

The best feeling in the world, going full-speed *turning onto* the runway.

More like the person who slams into reverse and pulls out of their space while you are driving by. Ever watch BCS? When Mike slams into reverse to put an extra car between him and Lalo?

@@Strathclydegamer no sorry don't know that

There's no rear view mirror on a jet. On the other hand, you can see a pushback from a mile away. Good airmanship would suggest being patient even in the last 0.1 mile of your journey.

Good airmanship isnt a core value at Southwest..They're just like Ryanair here in Europe.

Well, didn't the Southwest ask Ground like 3 times what he should do? If Ground told him "the ramp is uncontrolled, but if you waited for that Virgin to pass by, it would be nice", everyone would be happy.

​@@ChrisCokeRobinson Ryanair has a 100% safety record. Not a single passenger has ever died as a result of being on a Ryanair flight. I wonder how many airlines of similar passenger volume can make that claim? Especially in the budget side of the market! In short, they economise on anything that does NOT impact safety, so the passenger experience suffers rather - but their airmanship standards are exemplary. SWA could learn a lot from them, but I fear they'd be treated as ab initio trainees.

@@ChrisCokeRobinson you have no clue what you’re talking about. Southwest has some of the best pilots in the world.

Haha!

he did sound like he realized it almost immediately when everyone was ribbing him for being so cranky

Needs to brief that it’s an American airport so weird things will happen.

@@EdOeuna it's a freak country

He would be used to professionally run airports, not a mickey mouse affair run by ignorant amateurs. The American attitude of "we can doing anything we want without any consequences" is what leads to incidents like Challenger, and yet they still don't learn.

His reaction gave me second hand embarrassment. I couldn’t do a 4 day with that guy

More like, OMG the STUPIDITY.....OMG the CHILDISHNESS......

Well, there’s also his wife and her boyfriend.

US FAA

@@rapgomes who won’t care because no evasive or abrupt actions were needed. It was not a conflict, just an inconvenience.

@@mr65136 Again, to whom? His wife and her boyfriend?

The FAA doesn’t control the RAMP..::

That's how people drive everywhere LOL

@@ObtainEmployment not in England.

Apart from the fact that $450 million of aircraft are involved.

Not in front of another car - more like a 40 ton artic.

Spot on….but the costs would likely run into millions in the event of a collision.

Apparently it's about 'a little freedom' ...at a busy international airport.. the perfect place for loose rules 😂

Austin is not a major airport! Just a city that has grown a lot and is attracting some international flights.

After a clearance you'll generally be told, "push and start your discretion"

you don't need clearance to push and start at most US airports. That's what ramp uncontrolled means. push and start is at your discretion unless the pushback will take you into the movement area (ie, a taxiway).

@@nuniabiz7982 it’s a CAT A diversion airport for the widebody I fly (at my airline) so I can assure you by world standards, it’s a major airport.