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Visiting Tamera community in Portugal 🇵🇹 

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This video is part of a series we explore alternatives ways of living. Things we see and learn will be used in Project Kamp. More information about this in our Academy:
community.projectkamp.com/aca...
More about Tamera: www.tamera.org/
Support on Patreon: / davehakkens

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@briangindling1266
@briangindling1266 3 года назад
Sepp Holzer was instrumental in the building of the water retention and terraces, what a great collaboration! Glad to see its still thriving.
@tiorodrigues9258
@tiorodrigues9258 3 года назад
Hello, im portuguese and i didnt know about this place and his community, i wish could visit and learn somethings with them, i feel amazed by those sun powered stoves. Thanks for this video
@veronicabalfourpaul2288
@veronicabalfourpaul2288 3 года назад
Tamera has open days when you can visit and get a tour of the place. Check their website.
@nbdygivesafuk
@nbdygivesafuk Год назад
sendo que és português, mano, aposto que vais adorar os preços dos cursos por lá... é uma energia tao tranquila que o dinheiro nao importa nada!!
@mohammedfrancis
@mohammedfrancis 3 года назад
Wow! Tamera- Modeling Oneness, Self-Love, Community, Nature & Strategies To Heal & Nurture The Environment
@mdsign001
@mdsign001 3 года назад
I'm just really glad these places, and the people who live in it, exist. The world needs so much more of them. Thank you for sharing them!
@alessandrafontanot9753
@alessandrafontanot9753 3 года назад
Everything is so beautiful and very inspiring. Thank you!
@PrincessSakuno
@PrincessSakuno 3 года назад
I wasn't going to click this video but damn this was really amazing knowledge that you shared. Thank you so much. I have never heard of these kinds of communities before and I feel so glad they exist. People are actually doing something and researching ways to live In a sustainable manner in a modern form. Damn this is really amazing. They definitely need to share more insights about how they live so people can learn from them
@SubhramReddy
@SubhramReddy 3 года назад
Remember to always click a davehekkens video! He shares such wonderful information.
@aldenaldo5472
@aldenaldo5472 2 года назад
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@jamarialfred1360
@jamarialfred1360 2 года назад
@Alden Aldo Instablaster :)
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@aldenaldo5472 2 года назад
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@SkilledCheckmates
@SkilledCheckmates 3 года назад
What a fantastic series. Looking forward to more!
@toyinorodare4072
@toyinorodare4072 3 года назад
Thank you for this Video. Love from Nigeria!!!
@prabirchakraborty61
@prabirchakraborty61 3 года назад
Hello everyone how are you? Be safe . Love from India
@nc2933
@nc2933 23 дня назад
Im good thanks
@wormwood6424
@wormwood6424 3 года назад
Ahhh...what a breath of fresh air!!!
@PTEC3D
@PTEC3D 2 года назад
This the Kamp is a great project! Keep at it Mr Hakkens! It'll be worth it.
@bsamrish
@bsamrish 2 года назад
Wonderful ! It depends on the sun today and the vegetables available on what we are going to eat today. And it was nice of Bori to share some of her wisdom. STAY WITH YOUR TRUE IMPULSE, TO BE A PERSON OF INTEGRITY.
@jigsawdesigners8328
@jigsawdesigners8328 3 года назад
ops CHEQUEI A TEMPO . não perco nenhum vídeo do canal. muito bom...
@jorgepineyro26
@jorgepineyro26 3 года назад
Amazing video! Thank you for sharing it!
@janebrommet7942
@janebrommet7942 Год назад
Really Nice to have a peep inside an other way of project.. Very interesting
@brokkoliomg6103
@brokkoliomg6103 3 года назад
This is already too alternative-ish for me. I would set my focus more on the self sufficiency part if I would found such a community. Which I actually want. Still, nice and interesting to see this! Great work.
@marcoandreknottjung3418
@marcoandreknottjung3418 3 года назад
Minute 13:13 very important informations! You can stand alone, but you will never be the same again! And after, you need more LOVE then ever, to heal! And some are arriving broken, through the spiritual fights for life! Thank you for sharing this and show that not all communities are suckers!
@preciousplastickyiv8389
@preciousplastickyiv8389 3 года назад
Thanks for the great video!
@RaminCreate
@RaminCreate 3 года назад
Sending love from Persia, wish you all the best
@flinkwieeinwiesel5657
@flinkwieeinwiesel5657 3 года назад
Absolutely impressive solar energy research group - and really putting it to practice!
@mustafahalukyilmaz102
@mustafahalukyilmaz102 3 года назад
Its nice to see project kamp is becoming real. I think the the most challenging thing will be continous source of income. But im sure Dave and his core team will figure things out. Good luck with the project kamp. Its nice to see there are succesful self sufficient communities..
@rajdhakan
@rajdhakan 3 года назад
Really impressive
@emmyvd7308
@emmyvd7308 3 года назад
Very inspiring! It would be so helpful if this can of knowledge could be shared, in a similar way as precious plastic. Perfect opportunity for one army ;)
@StanSyfert
@StanSyfert 3 года назад
Beautiful to see and hear about this place, will you also visit the Boom festival/community in the future? It seems like they have a lot in common in practices and spirit. Good luck with project Kamp and all the best, stay safe!
@kojomensah7474
@kojomensah7474 3 года назад
That work shop is brilliant
@lazyturtle7128
@lazyturtle7128 3 года назад
Wow! It really fits the plan! (Currently at 1:30)
@wendy.loves.life.9766
@wendy.loves.life.9766 2 года назад
I live in Queensland, Australia. We have a community here called Crystal Waters in Maleny. I don’t know about the present time but they have shared their knowledge of environment and community with workshops, internet etc. they interact with the outside community with a bakery and hosting a monthly market. Homes are often mudbrick and strawbale.
@heavyhammersforge9240
@heavyhammersforge9240 3 года назад
Beautiful, utterly beautiful...
@daily-learning-lab
@daily-learning-lab 3 года назад
amazing community
@LilasAzuli
@LilasAzuli 3 года назад
Great stuff!! Dave, look for Ernst Gotsch ideas for make great production of crop, only with natural resources.
@michaelasosna9210
@michaelasosna9210 2 года назад
Greeting from Hamburg 🌞
@jonnyreh001
@jonnyreh001 2 года назад
I recently moved to Portugal, I think I will come to visit this place! I want to learn more :)
@tomasr64
@tomasr64 3 года назад
Totally down with this place. Wish I could go but would need to find a sailboat.
@mortyrgremlin
@mortyrgremlin 3 года назад
That's beautiful
@jafinch78
@jafinch78 3 года назад
Very interesting. I was really drawn in by the solar concentrator design and am really impressed on the systems that I see they are practically using appears. The concentrator focused on the large cooking kettle seems really neat. That is way awesome as well as the larger concentrating trough for cooking. Wow! Larger scale implements. That is really awesome! Makes me wonder now about extrusion of plastic sheets to recycle with not only novel products developed... new also. So, like I've thought about solar concentrating larger scale for feeding heat and to advance controls in kilns and furnaces for pottery, glass and metal... why not even easier.... plastics!!! HHhmmm... why not? Proven sintered 3D printing has been performed. Not saying 3D plastic printed completely solar powered can't be performed... however... why not at least augment or ideally completely control with advanced controls the heating of the extrusion process maybe for starters? I've not seen before. That would be great. I'm not sure the bio-equivalent greatness of plastics that brake down into nano or small particles being so good. We need to recycle the material since last long as well as like more toxic products, keep in locations where we do not consumer or ingest. Underground I personally feel is best if there is an aesthetic issue and concern... or under layers like wrapping housing or basements. So I think that is one reason when I think of the plastic as a film or thinner material already... why not figured out how to make into sheets as-is or even amended with other fibers or minerals (that might add more recycling complexity to begin with) for longer term hydro, pneuma, thermal and pressure or even electromagnetic spectrum insulation capabilities.
@linazera9350
@linazera9350 Год назад
I was in tears on 13:13 ... we need to share this information🥺
@tibokeko
@tibokeko 3 года назад
Hi Dave, is there a way to join this whole adventure ? Do you need some more hands for project Kamp ? I mean here any kind of labor. Great work of yours by the way !
@martinperon4576
@martinperon4576 3 года назад
Not a lot of Portuguese people in that community, apparently...
@pravdadeluxe
@pravdadeluxe 3 года назад
Lots of people from the European Union !
@roedyhellyeah
@roedyhellyeah 3 года назад
We have a lot of open source projects that are used in a solar boat. I can help with some electrical things
@juliannet6029
@juliannet6029 10 месяцев назад
You should come to our community La Ecovilla, Costa Rica! Happy to receive you.
@gibbonsaregreat7638
@gibbonsaregreat7638 3 года назад
wow
@DeweyKentM
@DeweyKentM 3 года назад
What about healthcare? There’s no doctor in the community, probably because Portugal has universal healthcare, but how do they give back to the greater community to feel worthy to take advantage of one of the modern luxuries they have chosen to distance themselves from? Do they still pay taxes, and if so, where does their money come from? If they don’t sell produce, and their solar cookers are for themselves, what is their export/ source of income? I like the idea of places like these, but how do they get to seemingly pick and choose which conveniences to take advantage of, and which inconveniences to leave behind? Maybe it just wasn’t included in the video, and I’m jumping to conclusions, but it seems a little too perfect without any catches or compromises.
@mattiabe2598
@mattiabe2598 3 года назад
I believe taxes are paid for each full time member
@guillaumep.7206
@guillaumep.7206 3 года назад
I don't understand why people consider different ways to live means it is wrong. Maybe ask yourself: Do all of the members live and work in the community? If no, they have to pay income tax, and get money to afford the 75% of the food they are not producing. Do all kids are home-schooled or is there a school in the community? Maybe, but until which level? Who owns the land? If it is not the mafia, then the owners have to pay taxes and even though I believe construction laws in Portugal not to let you do whatever you want ... So, as a short answer, it is not because you live differently that you are an outlaw. And even if you wanted to, you could not decide to be out of the society. I am very sure, they are all perfectly legal portugal residents and tax payers.... or after 45 years, they would be in jail and the community would have been taken over by local autorities.
@decyrano
@decyrano 3 года назад
Healthcare is Selfcare. No one has more vested interest in Your health, than You and Your immediate family.
@veronicabalfourpaul2288
@veronicabalfourpaul2288 3 года назад
I believe they have a doctor and midwives. They also communicate with the local parish.
@bobjob3632
@bobjob3632 3 года назад
No income=no taxe! The community has to pay housing taxes though.
@markdetray9441
@markdetray9441 3 года назад
Pressure cookers [all-metal] for cooking --- can reduce cooking time to 1/5th to 1/10th the time :)
@douganderson8262
@douganderson8262 3 года назад
Thanks Dave, beautiful and inspiring place. I watch and wonder If people there experience any FOMO when living outside or ‘normal’ society, and what they do to deal with this?
@berbudy
@berbudy 3 года назад
Seems they can just take a break and goes to nearest town, it's not like they are in a remote island
@chemistclips
@chemistclips 3 года назад
0:53 _The front line of this war is not in the dungeon, but rather, inside the mind._
@BDregger
@BDregger 3 года назад
I have been to Tamera quite a few times: to be there gives you the possibility to connect to a certain field of thruth and trust. Wonderful things can and will happen to you there. These energy fields seem to be part of what they call the Sacred Matrix. Basically the Sacred Matrix, a platform of an alternative state of being is everywhere in the Universe.
@BTom16
@BTom16 3 года назад
Franzi is three of the most positive people ever captured on video.
@apophenia3h310
@apophenia3h310 3 года назад
Amazing community, I just wanted to ask, how do they "grow soil" if they mix it all the time? Are they experiencing no problem with soil biology? Mixing aerobic and anaerobic bacteries is the main problem of the soils nowadays...
@jeykey112
@jeykey112 3 года назад
Great 💚🌻. I am a firefighter (&was in the ambulance Service), thats the perfekt Job for Me 😀 If u need my help, tamera, contact me 😎
@juanza.x9250
@juanza.x9250 3 года назад
Interesting! For me you can put two ads 😊 ps I totally understand that they don’t put content online. On a conscious level, you get what you seek for anw:p
@athollmcnicoll1028
@athollmcnicoll1028 2 месяца назад
So Dave having visited this other colony, have you managed an ideal for your own project Kamp where you see practicing methods come to fruition?
@swisslady9176
@swisslady9176 3 года назад
I just love your video about Tamera. So many information, but I dont know what is medium of the age in this community? Is there any special religion ? Thanks for answer .
@ricardoneves6621
@ricardoneves6621 Год назад
hey there, how are you going guys? nice to know about your project kamp, its amazing i whant to join to you to work togeter, for sure im a good new member for the team
@kojomensah7474
@kojomensah7474 3 года назад
I want to know more about the solar cookers
@kojomensah7474
@kojomensah7474 3 года назад
So what about sharing the solar cooker plans so that other people can make those cookers also instead of chopping down the forest?
@ygreq
@ygreq 3 года назад
More like this
@PierreLaBaguette
@PierreLaBaguette 3 года назад
very uplifting 2 sources, related in a way i thought of - check out Julia Watson's few videos and book on indigenous knowledge (building, farming), came out this year my other favourite book - We do things differently (by Mark Stevenson) - bunch of case studies from very different fields of human activity (one chapter is also about farming). the book is not at all about communal living, but very inspiring source about working "projects". i think there should also be website where such alternatives are collected. cheers, looking forward to next videos!
@augustkietzmann4088
@augustkietzmann4088 3 года назад
hi may i ask what is the goal/plan for project Kamp?
@user-vm9mh9vt2m
@user-vm9mh9vt2m 3 года назад
ТАДЖИКИСТАН,👍👍
@boringsoftware2093
@boringsoftware2093 Месяц назад
yes they don't trust the internet, but u guys are so fun X-D
@zaquevynne
@zaquevynne 3 года назад
Hey I like dis one.
@danielfinn5022
@danielfinn5022 3 года назад
Why are there only men in the workshop and only women in the kitchen?
@alessandrafontanot9753
@alessandrafontanot9753 3 года назад
Because they chose to? I used to work building stages for a theater in North California and they were mostly guys working with me because the things were very heavy and we always finished late, dirty and sometimes with bruises haha... Women didn't like that, and they prefer to work fixing costumes and doing makeup. (For where only 2 men work doing costumes) For the kitchen, I dunno why there weren't men? Most brilliant chefs are men.
@wormwood6424
@wormwood6424 3 года назад
@@alessandrafontanot9753 because nature dictates it ugh...!
@henkgertlenten
@henkgertlenten 3 года назад
Free choice based on interests
@MadComputerScientist
@MadComputerScientist 3 года назад
Made that same mental note. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed.
@ciarfah
@ciarfah 3 года назад
Free choice
@decyrano
@decyrano 3 года назад
A Chairman Firetruck, never seen one of those.
@fransvenrooy4760
@fransvenrooy4760 2 года назад
That's a very nice place.Do you need someone who's technical in your machineshop?
@hotrodroadking1031
@hotrodroadking1031 3 года назад
Got any plans for a 110volt home shredder
@hansdegroot8549
@hansdegroot8549 3 года назад
De geschiedenis herhaalt zich, alleen nu een stukje verder weg. Velen, waaronder waarschijnlijk ook Dave Hakkens zelf, zullen de (voormalige) Kleine Aarde nooit bezocht hebben. Ikzelf ook niet, maar was wel geabonneerd op hun tijdschrift, dat ik 30 jaar geleden ook meegenomen heb naar Slowakije. Sietz Leeflang en zijn vrouw Anke waren hun tijd ver vooruit. nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Kleine_Aarde
@pedrodunice
@pedrodunice 3 года назад
sounds like some midsommer thing.... run for your life dave
@montedaestrada3563
@montedaestrada3563 2 года назад
Tamera is not very far from me and I visited when we first moved to Portugal. There is a lot of good there but much I disagreed within some of its philosophy. Basically I felt it was a cult and not for me.
@catalinafrances7488
@catalinafrances7488 3 года назад
Is it possible to contribute to this community? I would like to assist and stay for a time. Gratitude 🙏🌹
@user-nu6wk8ln5w
@user-nu6wk8ln5w 3 года назад
رائع
@Kaczyfunny
@Kaczyfunny Год назад
I love to see how this man satisfied with his veggies.
@dtmty
@dtmty 3 года назад
7:08 what if you build this circular solar system for heat linear plastic extruder ???? !!!
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes 3 года назад
I congratulate the people of Tamera, they are living a life compatible with The Earth. Is there any type of economy in Tamera?
@joachim1973
@joachim1973 3 года назад
there has to be one, without it it would be impossible to buy the groceries from the farmers (75-80% of them is "imported")
@XxXzymilXxX
@XxXzymilXxX 3 года назад
Looks more like a random cult int the woods honestly
@Mat-mz7kk
@Mat-mz7kk 3 года назад
@@XxXzymilXxX As opposed to the cult of predatory capitalism that indoctrinates you into a culture of unhealthy, unsatisfying rampant consumption and a fear of nature?
@XxXzymilXxX
@XxXzymilXxX 3 года назад
Emay Tea nah fam i’ve no fear of nature or none of that shit you said, this is Portugal... this is not america or some bullshit blind country.
@XxXzymilXxX
@XxXzymilXxX 3 года назад
Emay Tea it’s a different country and It took me more than 20 years to realize that! I would never trade Portugal for any other country, except maybe australia xDD people seem to be very happy there
@alvaromoreno6265
@alvaromoreno6265 3 года назад
Muy positivo este canal pero deberían de colocarle subtítulos a las personas le gustaría más mucho animo suerte luck
@MCRuCr
@MCRuCr Год назад
Tamera needs a person to run a youtube channel
@LionKimbro
@LionKimbro Год назад
I’ve been to Tamera for three months cumulatively. I find it frustrating. I think that the new generation has pretty much given up on the man-woman question. I agree strongly with Bori’s wish to get back to fundamental research. I also agree that they don’t share what they have learned and know- and I think it’s not just about the Internet- as a visitor, there is a thick psychological wall set up. For example, they never teach about love archetypes, or forum. As a matter of policy. They teach people ideas, but never implementation. There’s a passage in Eros Unredeemed that says “mainstream liberals love to discuss ideas endlessly but do not like to actually experiment or get involved.” The irony, of reading that passage, over and over, in different study groups at Tamera. (Sigh.) I love Tamera, but also find that it can be incredibly obtuse.
@LionKimbro
@LionKimbro 6 месяцев назад
@@martam7258 Right: The Political Theory, as they call it at Tamera. Tamerans believe that when they successfully create a Healing Biotope that is truly in coherence with the laws of life (the "Sacred Matrix," in the language of Tamera,) that Healing Biotopes will prevail globally. That may sound mystical and ridiculous -- I don't think that it is. The idea is kind of like: Once somebody (like the Wright Brothers) creates a working airplane, in short order airplanes will appear around the world globally. The time between the Wright Brothers first flight and the first commercial airlines was about 10 years. So I don't think that the Political Theory or the Plan of Healing Biotopes is absurd. That said, I think that Tamerans underestimate just what it will take to create a working Healing Biotope, and they would be the first to admit that they have not yet created a Healing Biotope. But I believe that that is where they are focusing their efforts: internally. I think that they are kind of racing: Focusing on internal development, focusing on internal development, focusing on internal development. Communication with outsiders is slow, and fraught. They will teach and project communities out into the world, but on their own terms, entirely. They trust what they have contact with, and contact in these realms essentially means being a Tameran, or at least living in Tamera full time for a period of years. Which, by the way, you cannot do, because: Portuguese zoning codes. They'd love to expand, but they are already illegally over-capacity. They have been granted temporary reprieve, but they cannot take on more people. This is what I have been able to glean, so far, at least.
@mr.serpent6909
@mr.serpent6909 2 года назад
she is so beautiful
@CitizenAyellowblue
@CitizenAyellowblue 3 года назад
They need a RU-vid channel
@BDregger
@BDregger 3 года назад
They actually have one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0damGwctIi4.html
@paralyzeddd
@paralyzeddd 3 года назад
cool cool cool :>
@mattthomas2078
@mattthomas2078 3 года назад
Good luck not accidentally becoming a cult 👍
@arjunamaximo
@arjunamaximo 3 года назад
hahaha i see what you dont see there
@OneArmyVideos
@OneArmyVideos 3 года назад
will try
@RynaxAlien
@RynaxAlien 2 года назад
Utopian community. Portugal also uses renewable energy, had decriminalized all psychelics, very progressive country like Japan
@ArseniySorokin
@ArseniySorokin 3 года назад
So, why start new community instead of joining Tamera?
@berbudy
@berbudy 3 года назад
15:13 right, if this project is helping towards a solution for sustainable living why would they not want it to be replicated easily every where in the world, sometimes stating an obvious point need to be said by outsiders
@clovelly1946
@clovelly1946 9 месяцев назад
Don't like Tamara,to much like a cult.Dont let Project Kamp get like that.Your place is like a large family and has a lovely feel about it.❤
@ufoc
@ufoc 3 года назад
maybe its me but i see good workshop full of quite expensive equipment, and they build what?? old satelite dish with aluminium inside?
@JogLab
@JogLab 3 года назад
meergeeeee
@ceving865
@ceving865 3 года назад
Looks like a kibbutz. What is the new invention?
@susanp5393
@susanp5393 2 года назад
Is Tamera kitchen fully Vegan, or vegetarian?!
@ahmetneder1
@ahmetneder1 3 года назад
the midsommar movie
@mr.serpent6909
@mr.serpent6909 2 года назад
wow the cat is a tamera cat
@lionkingchannel667
@lionkingchannel667 3 года назад
We would like to ask if it's at all possible to use one of your images from about plastic recycling and add your website link in it. We would like to get the relavant equipment in the near future and start reworking and reusing plastic materials. Your RU-vid videos are always fun to watch and very inspiring. Please let me know if we can use one of your images. If you could follow us too it would be lovely. Many thanks and keep doing a kick ass job with your recycling
@misterETIO
@misterETIO 2 года назад
Hang on! These peeps munch only on vegies? =O
@lionkingchannel667
@lionkingchannel667 3 года назад
Good morning Dave & team I hope you guys are all well. I've been following your movement for a long time now... Actually from the beginning and I feel strongly about recycling and reusing materials. Together with my brother, we have now launched a program in the UK about hair salons and Spas becoming more sustainable by changing the way they recycle. Our website is www.salonsustainability.club
@claude199x
@claude199x 3 года назад
Dave, I am not sure if you already made this, but you should check out this video about recycling pet bottles to make pet fibres: ru-vid.comjhGDrrhyugk
@diaryofadeadtattooist
@diaryofadeadtattooist Месяц назад
There's one major issue for me. Veganism. I'm unaware of any independent long term studies on the matter. I'm led to believe that fats from meats are required for a healthy functioning brain. Anyone?
@ricardosalazarescobar2518
@ricardosalazarescobar2518 3 года назад
entendí ni madres
@guillermotrujillo8282
@guillermotrujillo8282 3 года назад
Ps dicen que simon, que esta perron vivir en una comuna hippie, que cocinan con el sol, que hay que salvar el planeta, lo usual
@cyrustakem7993
@cyrustakem7993 3 года назад
Why does no oneknow how to pronounce tamera? XD
@gregm.5960
@gregm.5960 2 года назад
I don't know if this will help since this video is a year old but you mentioned that "Permaculture isn't on the internet much". Factually that statement is partially wrong. Permaculture is all over the internet you just need to know the terminology since not all permaculturalists advertise what they are doing as Permaculture. There are books that you can buy as well. Here is some terminology for you that might help. Chicken Tractors/ Chicken tractor on steroids, Rotational grazing/ mob grazing, Companion planting, Swales, Rocket stoves, Hugelkultur, no-dig gardens, SuperAdobe, Cob/Strawbale building, cordwood building, rainwater collection, you can pretty much look up permaculture and any farm animal and they will have suggestions for you. Another reason Permaculture is hard to find is that things that started as Permaculter went mainstream or they borrowed/ adapted from the mainstream. Well, I hope this helps.
@alionsroots7532
@alionsroots7532 2 года назад
why no animals? they are essential to the eco system
@Alex-fu1ix
@Alex-fu1ix 3 года назад
???????????????????????????????????????????... where is the plastic recycling ??????????????, sorry, I'm lost
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