Volkswagen Golf R versus Seat Leon Cupra 280 - which is fastest? 

"The car I'm driving is faster, I drove the Cupra last. It wins!"

In the golf he was in front and so very difficult to tell whether pulling away from the leon. Whereas in the leon and behind the golf, it is easier to judge.

federico villar sudek the inside looks kinda boring from the seat

It looks way worst ,design from inside and front lights are ugly as hell on seat

@@macr9647 what no way it looks really aggressive and really cool

@@macr9647 and you cannot judge like that you little pig

The golf is for those who do overated boring in large quantities.

Yep

its about power to weight ratio, sure the golf r has more bhp but due to its weight, it lost. simple

so apparently ur bias opinion towards steve, even tho the oher driver who was in the golf agreed, i have to learn. right....

Asher Harris it doesn't matter who agreed, what matters is the evidence that supports what actually happened on the track. so you do have to learn.

to my memory they didnt actually race, they just reviewed the drive on each vehicle. changing turns and giving a parallax error in performance. although not an accurate video, my statement on power/weight ratio is correct, apply it to trucks and small cars for example. i think you need to learn how to read. sultanabran1

+David Johnson Because it's not a Golf. When really SEAT and VW are the same company and the cars have the same engines in them.

So why pay more for the golf when the seat looks better and performs the same? That's what i will never understand

+David Johnson badge snobbery. Put a Mondeo and an Audi in front of someone and they'll pick the Audi. Despite the Mondeo being, for me, the better car

They use hand-me-down tech and have an interior made from recycled coke bottles. It's coming from someone that's owned 3 to date.

+amillwardmusic Just keep telling yourself that.

I’m hesitating between a Golf GTI mk7 or this, what do you think is the best option? (I think the golf has better a interior tough)

@@marciodaniel4570 Hello. If you are going to use it as your daily and one and only car I would go for the golf, but try to get a hold of the Mk 7.5 (facelift and even better interior). But if you want the most bang for your buck and can live with a slightly cheaper interior and cabin noise doesn’t bother you I would go for the face lifted Cupra from 2017-2018. I bought the 2015 Cupra since I just have it as a toy and wanted the lightest model (1400kg) and after driving it at stage 1 for a time I took it to the next level a month ago, now it’s stage 2 with 410hp and does 100-200 in 8.5 sec. How much I drive it? 100km/month 😞 😂😂

@@josefinkjellsson7051 410hp & 100-200 in 8.5 sec?! That’s crazy fast haha. Though, I really appreciate your advice bro. I’m planning to buy my first sports car and I didn’t know where to start, I was searching for something not too expensive that makes loud dsg noise too 😂 But this definitely helps, thanks👍

+Tlangela Ntshembo Mkhacane You are wrong.

That was obvious. The presenter was the faster, whichever car he was in. Also, there's one shot where the other driver in the Golf got rather unstuck on a couple of bends.

I'll take a 5 door cupra too !!!

Ian Townsend im buying one tomorrow :)

So did you get it

really dude? around nurburgring E46 M3 has to move out my way in my little clio 200 cup with 210bhp and H&R suspension. it also cost alot less in fuel too. lol was the M3 a cock extension?

santclause1 Don’t be silly... Just because someone has an M3, doesn’t mean he knows how to drive it. You were the better driver, the clio was not faster. Add the same spec H&R suspension to the M3 and then check results.

santclause1 You may have a point. It's funny just recently I've reading reading lots of articles from journalists and motoring experts who all say the same thing... "The E46 M3 is a great car, if fact one of the best M cars ever and always ranks highly as one of the best drivers cars ever... but it's not quite as good as the Clio 200 Cup though" LOL.

The E46 M3 may well be the best of all time. But you need to be able to afford it and not everyone is.

Mzn T it wasn,t the only E46 M3 to move outta my way. there was 5 on track the same day. the only one that pulled away had 500bhp. and he had spent about 30k on the car without the cost of the car. i spent £13.500 for brand new clio 200 cup. then £2800 on little mods. [ suspension, exhaust, tyres, so on. and it takes the piss outta cars worth £30.000 or more on a track. i,ve never been a straight line guy myself i find it pretty damn boring. if i wanted to be fast in straight lines i,d buy zx10r. my friends M3 has H&R suspension. even when we swap. the M3 don,t feel nimble. it feels heavy. you have to brake way earlier than most hothatches. yes it,s fast on straights. but thats not fun. it has a great engine though. which in my case is why people rave about it. you have to go on PRICE VS PERFORMANCE. and i don,t think RENAULTSPORT can be beaten. why? because they don,t play at it. like all the other companies. look at these idiots VW/SEAT trying to make a great track car. but on the same hand making them comfy and easy to drive with DSG and all the electronics cutting in all the time. for me it either track car. or family car. you can,t mix both. it,s retarded.

Seat for ever

And then there was snow. Good luck seat

Did u even watch the video.....? Golf R has awd, 70/80 hp more and a more aggressive bodykit. What are u smoking dude?

the Golf R looks way better. and living in a place where it rains almost every day and snows a shit load... i think i'll take a golf r thank you

foxxmufasa because isnt 4x4 doesnt mean the Leaon Curpa cant go on rain or on snow with the proper tires! also the quattro system not only is heaver but it will consume way more fuel as all 4x4! if you don't leave in Alaska or you don't do WRC rally every weekend, the quatro is simply an overkill and doesn't worth its money! .-

It's Darude-Sandstorm

James Hill no it isn't

MichalMalpa Yes it is

Nikita Ind You deserve Fiat Mutipla for not accepting the fact that you are wrong

does any one know the song's name that is playing at the begining and at the end when the guy is speaking?

It's worth the wait. I got the 290 st and I Just love it

vaw power Well they are meant to be performance cars after all. :)

Steven T. Don't we all

Excellent point

They did put the Leon first at 9:00 but they didn't show it. However, Sutcliff did say the Leon turned out to be faster and they preferred it. But I think you're right, one driving trying for the best lap time in each would have been a better test. I still liked the video though.

Looks like you bought the wrong car

darude - sandstorm has to be loud mate!

get the 290 it has a crazy loud exhaust too. I just got mine 2 months ago, and i really can only recommend the car. Such an awesome allrounder and even cheaper than his competetors without loosing any quality to them. If youre interested check out my pov drive of the 290.

I live in Europe and have both :-) 97 F150 4,6l cs i love V8, a Bmw 535D for daily driving and I bought my wife the new Cupra... and its awesome. got the old one 2009 before but the new one is an other exp. hope you get the hothatch over there... and we get the mustang :-) AT THE FORD DEALER, not backyard dealers with dogs you need a weapon licence :-)

Huber Heinrich Good for you.

+Huber Heinrich uhmm and what doesthat have to do with fikes's comment?

+fikes73 100% agreed. Tired of our neglected market that gets no 3-door hot hatches. When I first saw the new Leon Cupra, I nearly cried, because I knew it would never come to the US. Shame because it is probably the most beautiful hatchback in recent in history and an amazingly good deal for the money. I'm really upset that we can't have one.

+TheLukey21 same price for golf r puts it into around 386bhp on my friends. they're both beasts but id rather have a golf r personally.

+AwAiS786M ye but the golf r is already more expensive and they are comparing price and performance. Personally i would have the Leon as golfs are to common.

It's the same exactly engine so in terms of power.... as the journalist said the front end of the Leon is better probably because seat team spent 60 days and 400 laps of the ring to finely tune the handling of it.

In terms of real life id want to win. I wouldn't care if seat spent 2 years in the front bumper. Winning is winning. Awd is just the future. Respect to the seat but to say it's better is not on to me.

@ AwAiS786M OK, you have the exact money to buy the Leon Cupra but no where near enough to buy the Golf R. Would you buy the Leon Cupra or stick with daydreaming about the Golf R's 4wd haldex 5 system and R badges? A simple answer would do here.

There are A LOT of Mk7 R's out there and it's starting to impact residual value.

@@martinallenuk hello from 2021! Got myself a Cupra 280 earlier this year and you hardly see any cupra's on the roads in the UK. Whereas the R is extremely common...but used car prices have gone crazy these past few months so hard to tell until we are in a post covid world...whenever that may be

Exactly. The R is hitting 3.8 0-60 stage 1. The Cupra could handle the power but not a launch. That's my answer to "why AWD+DSG?"

how it sounds? really? ok, go disconnect the Soundaktor that lives under your rain skuttle then see what noise it makes :)

Sold my R after 10 months. It's overhyped and bot very well built.

yes you can see where the £5K went, but I wouldn't pay that money for a'nicer interior'. When you are actually driving any car you are never consciously aware of the interior.

neil1jnr A car that looks good and has a nice interior is just as desirable as one that looks shit and has a 90s ford interior. You draw enjoyment from all sorts in a road car. I think the golf is a far more desirable machine, and it'll doubtless make you back that £5k difference over a couple of years of ownership. Of course both being automatics I wouldn't touch either.

WiseGuy02 Of course the Golf will be better in the wet......but for all the money it costs, it should be better in the dry as well.

x I'm more interested in why VW won't allow SEAT to have 4WD. My guess would be that it would be quicker after some Cupra tunning ;-) Maybe now that VW is boasting that 400 hp Golf frankenstein, they will give them the go-ahead.

***** It has always been like this - VW owns SEAT and won't let a cheaper SEAT potentially upstage its flagship Golf

But you must admit they rattled them really good with this new Cupra :)

***** They did mate......and rightly so!

James Landale you're right shitttt

if you think about it, 5000£ for AWD, better insulation, better materials, quality and seats. it's not bad at all. And you could get the Golf remapped as well for 500£ and get 350hp/500nm.

Why does anyone care about residual value? Cars are not investments anyway and you loose about 20% in the first year alone and if you crash it, forget the residual value it was going to have. Why buy a car if you're going to sell it a couple of years later. Might as well lease instead then and avoid the hassle of selling later on. And if you're so worried about residuals, buy a car when it's one years old. Arguments for better residuals make no sense. You buy the car that's faster and better, not one that's going to loose the least money.

ACS607 LOL!

basgetz You said it!

basgetz How do you work that out? I'm so intrigued. Going on humour me, you sound so clever despite your grammatically incorrect sentence.

ACS607 Don't bother. Some people see everything in numbers. They have no idea what you're talking about. It's almost sad.

Since you wrote your comment, that's exactly what Evo did for their car of the year test :)

holotropik same, tip toe the throttle or it spins to hell and back, torque steer, power understeer, hate it

Learn to drive within the cars limits. By the sounds of things it doesn't matter what car you'll buy. AWD understeer mid engined snap oversteer into a tree etc etc.

I'm with you on this. I'm Spanish and a lot of the time I have to explain to people that I drive a Leon which is the sister car to the Golf. But whilst these sheep in the UK go for the VW badge because it's German, I drive my Leon with a grin knowing that my car only has a slightly inferior quality and less recognised badge, but I paid a lot less than the equivalent Golf. People who drive SEATs have the last laugh.

My family recently bought a new car,a Leon 1.6 TDI and we are very satisfied.The new generation is a huge step forward from previous ones both outside and inside.Beautiful car in my opinion.We made thorough research before we buy and after considering some serious alternatives(Opel astra,Golf,Nissan Pulsar,Ford focus)we took the Seat.Considerable price difference with all these models...

I think the Seat looks much better ;) Thinking of buying an Ibiza Cupra