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Volvo Transmission Fluid Flush 

Garrett Turbod
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Here is a quick video explaining the process to complete a transmission flush on any Volvo with an Aisin TF80-SC transmission. This was an 2013 XC60 T6 with 65,000 miles.
The fluid used in this video can be found here....www.fcpeuro.com/products/volv...

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@danielberca5997
@danielberca5997 4 года назад
What you failed to mention and do, is that the car needs to be sitting level not on ramps when you do the oil level. Good video though
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 года назад
Yes! Thank you for this, pinned it for others to see. I ended up adding another half quart afterwards on level ground, so it is important do check on a level surface.
@jamesdavies686
@jamesdavies686 4 месяца назад
Came here to ask about this. I figured it had to be level for that measurement.
@marvik..8901
@marvik..8901 Месяц назад
What are the part numbers for drain bolt and washer? Thanks
@kmier2000
@kmier2000 2 года назад
Hey Man, HUGE thanks for this video and your trick of opening the hose closer to the transmission. The hose wouldn't come off at the cooler, I fought with it for hours and finally gave up. Thanks to you I was able to complete the job though. Great work!
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
I had the same issue. Glad this worked for ya!
@martyjackson4806
@martyjackson4806 3 года назад
Thanks! Ive got 300000km on my 08 and just added a trailer hitch. I'm going to flush the trans next week before I start towing my boat.
@chuckborozinski5110
@chuckborozinski5110 Год назад
Awesome video. Thanks for posting this.
@chriswernke4824
@chriswernke4824 2 года назад
Great video! Thanks for the content. I have a 2011 Volvo xc60 that needs servicing.
@steviezxr
@steviezxr 2 года назад
Thanks for this video, gave me more confidence to do mine. All done. Note on XC60 D5 2010 the oil cooler pipes are slightly different in design, same effect. The return line is the lower pipe, don’t disconnect the upper of the two pipes! ( like I did ) haha what a mess.
@mdocod
@mdocod 8 месяцев назад
For those watching this... the transmission actually holds about 7 qts in total from what I understand. Most people don't bother pulling the trans cooler line when doing this one but that will absolutely help get the maximum amount of old ATF out of the system for a given amount of "flushing" fluid available.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 8 месяцев назад
Are you pulling off a different line for the flush or have you come up with a different flush method? Genuinely curious what you're doing differently.
@mdocod
@mdocod 8 месяцев назад
​@@garrett_turbod For this particular transmission, most people just drain out whatever will come from the drain plug (I think ~3.5-4qts for this transmission), then add what came out plus about 1 qt extra, idle and shift through the gears for a couple minutes to mix up the fluid. Repeat that a few times, then bring temp to 50-60C then drain off the excess through the center screw of the drain. A "partial" fluid change can be done with as little as ~4qts with this method. A more thorough change that gets the fluid looking transparent pink again takes more like 15qts. Pulling the cooler line and idling as you demonstrated is a way to get a couple "dirty" qts of fluid pumped out more directly, so that there's less dirty-used fluid in the system to try to "dilute" out using the process above. Your technique will achieve a higher ratio of "new" fluid for the number of qts used in total, however, one might argue that the hassle of doing it this way, including the possibility of needing new 0-rings for that seal, or new clip, and trying to figure out a way to connect hoses, and all the extra potential mess if a hose comes off or the collection bottle falls over, isn't worth the hassle compared to just mixing a few more qts through on the process described above using the drain and fill ports on the transmission.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 8 месяцев назад
@@mdocod Sure, a drain and fill is another acceptable way of changing fluid.
@seshachary5580
@seshachary5580 2 года назад
VERY NICE. THANK YOU
@ryanevans8033
@ryanevans8033 2 года назад
Thanks I just got vida but wasn't sure which menus to go through to set temp thanks
@haleaurelian
@haleaurelian 2 года назад
Thank you for the complete details! May I ask you the diameter of the draining tube you are using?
@stevesavvas6870
@stevesavvas6870 2 года назад
hi there.where do i get this software to reset the counter.?
@BenDover-ni3jx
@BenDover-ni3jx Год назад
Aisin T-IV fluid is $5.99 on RockAuto
@Thingumeebob
@Thingumeebob 2 года назад
Excellent video, many thanks. A quick question - why do you need to drain in just 2 litre increments? I understand from a comment below the capacity is 7 litres in total so basically I'm asking if 5 litres is the minimum safe level at which the engine can be run? Or would 3 litres suffice? 2 litres? A single litre? I don't fully understand the workings of a torque converter but I'd have to wonder if, without any fluid, it would simply spin freely and that the likely worry is a lack of lubrication for the converter and the pump itself. Surely both of these would have enough residual fluid to spin safely for a few seconds even if completely starved of a fluid supply? Obviously the more dirty fluid that can be removed in a single cycle, the quicker and more thoroughly the oil can be cleaned. If you do 5 lots of 2l changes, you're still left with approximately 19% dirty fluid in the trans. Conversely using the same 10 litres of trans fluid, just 2 lots of 5l changes and you''re down to approximately 8% dirty fluid remaining. A third flush at 5 litres would leave almost 98% clean fluid. Again, great video and a huge help for those of us planning to undertake the job soon, much appreciated.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
I understand what you're saying, the logic makes sense. This procedure is what the Volvo service manual suggests. I'm not certain as to why this is, maybe as a preventative measure to ensure no air is pulled into the pump?
@soamann
@soamann 3 года назад
Hello, thanks for this video, when you flush, did it come oil out of the hose from the cooler, or both? Thanks from Norway
@kmier2000
@kmier2000 2 года назад
Same engine/trans. For me it came out of both.
@derekdunlap1713
@derekdunlap1713 2 года назад
If I wanted to just do a quick drain and fill to just change part of the fluid, would it be ok to just measure what came out and replace it with the exact same amount?
@supersabrosinho
@supersabrosinho 9 месяцев назад
You can but wait until everything is at room temperature, then measure the fluids. You want to account for thermal expansion
@katlegokaygee8222
@katlegokaygee8222 4 года назад
Good day GPMFG, i recently bought an 2008 S40 2.5 T5 R design (automatic gearbox) but the previous owner was negligent to say the least. I had to service the car urgently but due to lockdown regulations i could not manage to do so on time. To cut the long story short, it seems the gearbox is dead due to very low oil levels. My question is, is the R design using the same gearbox as the normal 2.0 T5?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 года назад
Likely yes, but I'm not familiar with the S40's
@nabeeljacksonrhoda6480
@nabeeljacksonrhoda6480 Год назад
Hi. Thanks for this. Just querying the process... You're draining from the drain plug and then filling again or draining from the oil cooler as well before topping up? I wasn't sure whether you're filling up and then turning on the engine to pump out the atf in the cooler or whether you're draining at the drain plug and then at the cooler hose as well. Pls advise
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod Год назад
It's been a while since I've done this process so I think the video is a better resource. Looks like drain the trans first, then fill back up and then flush it.
@haleaurelian
@haleaurelian 2 года назад
Great information! Do you switch the gears while you are flushing the fluid out? Do you have to be in Parking while flushing the fluid?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
The vehicle was in park, yes.
@pgreenx
@pgreenx Год назад
I don’t have vida but have a scan tool to check temp. Do you think it’s terrible not to reset the counter? Thanks.
@edijares1543
@edijares1543 Год назад
I don't have VIDA also. I just reset the TCM with my OBD scanner after I'm done.
@semihyilmaz4699
@semihyilmaz4699 2 года назад
Do you happen to know the whole capacity of the transmission ( as in how many liters of trans fluid)?
@redwarrior01
@redwarrior01 2 года назад
7 liters
@paulgilraine3127
@paulgilraine3127 2 года назад
I was wondering as I don't have the tool for checking the engine temperature and would love to save some money to do the rear breaks and put new tyres on my V70 P3 with 83000 on the clock, could I drop the transmission oil and measure exactly what comes out when cold and put the exact same back amount of new oil back in and may be do this twice a year unit the oil looks clean.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
Yes. A drain and fill works just fine as long as you're measuring the fluid quantity that came out.
@paulgilraine3127
@paulgilraine3127 2 года назад
@@garrett_turbod thanks very much for your reply I've wanted to know this for a long time now ,good video bud , I'm glad I found it now .
@paulgilraine3127
@paulgilraine3127 2 года назад
@@garrett_turbod thanks bud that's what I will be doing
@ggrigo33
@ggrigo33 2 года назад
can you give more details about the hose, do you just stick the hose into the oil line, what its diameter, need any connectors? Thanks
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
1/2 OD tubing. No connectors. Watch what I did in the video. It's just a slip fit, not pressurized. Just slip it into the female connector.
@GymChess
@GymChess 4 года назад
Life is so much easier with a manual gearbox.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 года назад
Meh, trade off is having to replace the clutch. And realistically, 90% of people don't change their fluid and don't have any issues.
@patagualianmostly7437
@patagualianmostly7437 4 года назад
Kinda agree...been a manual shifter all my life... for various reasons just gone for a used Xc90 V8 Volvo automatic... and the ATF is a bad colour! The stuff I am seeing and reading here on YT is doing my head in! "Must do this" "Must do that" "Must use Genuine Volvo/Aisin" " Spec JWS3309" Give me (And everyone else) a break. The same boxes are used in Mercs & BMW's to name but two alternatives. When is someone going to have the guts to stand up and say: 99% of ATF's on the market are compatible with every gearbox.... Or...If not: Explain? I just spent over $150 on an ATF "Synthetic" to do a flush on my recently acquired Xc90 V8...Aisin Box.... Needs 7lts.... I buy 12.... It's made by Petro-Canada... "Volvo Approved" ...up to a point.... "May not give the same MPG as that specified by Volvo"..... Oh.... FFS! It is going in!
@patagualianmostly7437
@patagualianmostly7437 4 года назад
@@garrett_turbod Replacing the clutch is simple compared with this nightmare! Interestingly: "90% DON'T change the fluid and have no issues"? Can you qualify that...with any references/links?
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 3 года назад
@@patagualianmostly7437 Replacing the clutch is easy? Sure mate...
@TheTerence43
@TheTerence43 3 года назад
Could you explain what the second hose was for? Not the one you connected on the thermostat hose. Thanks!
@thejoseandresshow
@thejoseandresshow 2 года назад
I believe it was connected to the oil cooler up top, though don't think any oil is going to come out from there since the thermostat hose is disconnected.
@kmier2000
@kmier2000 2 года назад
2nd hose goes on the transmission connection where you took off the hose from. Fluid will come out of that port too.
@mikaeljonsson4686
@mikaeljonsson4686 3 года назад
Hi! I'm about to do this on my 2010 V70 this spring. What's the diameter on the hose your'e using?
@KarlssonnsKlister
@KarlssonnsKlister 3 года назад
Also wonder.
@mikaeljonsson4686
@mikaeljonsson4686 3 года назад
@@KarlssonnsKlister flushed my car 1.5months ago, think it's 12mm innerdiameter. I'll controlmeasure and post here again. Bought the hose on Bauhaus for about 50sek.
@roncovegamatic9437
@roncovegamatic9437 11 месяцев назад
At 9:24, I do not inderstand where that black colored hose came from. It suddenly appeared in your video. What is it?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 11 месяцев назад
The black hose is in the other side of the connection. So I put a hose in each side of the removed connection because I didn't know where the fluid would come from. The black hose wasn't necessary.
@christopherkim5097
@christopherkim5097 4 месяца назад
I’m 58 years old if this the future of cars I’m walking 😢
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 месяца назад
You don't like inline 6 Volvos?
@randallscott-key802
@randallscott-key802 Месяц назад
You're in luck, it isn't. The future of cars will be electric motors with exactly ONE rotating internal part, bolted directly to a compact, single-speed reduction gearbox. No complex Rube Goldbergesque multispeed transmission with half a dozen or more gears, and hundreds of precision parts, servos, sensors, actuators, or torque converters. Few hoses, no emissions sensors, and little generated heat in normal power installations. The entire "power unit" takes up about 1/5th the volume of space of a conventional engine and transmission - less compared with the gargantuan dinosaur V8 systems. I really enjoy tinkering with my 2011 C70 T5, but I absolutely love the sublime simplicity and reliability of my 2019 Kona electric, and my 2024 Ioniq 5! No lag acceleration with "thrust" you can feel in your shoulders as the seat is driving you forward with full torque from 0 rpm.
@elmafudd9703
@elmafudd9703 3 года назад
I am numpty, can some one please explain that as you have to cycle through the gears to mix the old crap with the new fluid why does the car not drive off the ramp. Yes you put your foot on the break (mine is an auto) but is the transmission actually spinning and mixing the fluids if there is no forward momentum of the vehicle. Would you not have to drive it up the street, then bring it back and start all over again. I know this may show my mechanical prowess with a spotlight but there seems to be zero point going throw the gears if the car does not move. Can some one please teach me the error of my (mechanical) ways. Is it something to do with the clutch engagement. I can see that on a manual but not an auto.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
Not a stupid question at all. First of all, the procedure is to warm up the fluid to check the level, not necessarily mix it (however it does happen). In an automatic transmission like this one, the torque converter is what couples the transmission and engine. So, while the wheels are not spinning, the torque converter within the transmission coupled to the engine side IS spinning and creating heat as a result of the fluid friction between the spinning and non spinning turbine. Having the vehicle in drive and brake torquing puts considerable load on the transmission thus creating heat.
@elmafudd9703
@elmafudd9703 3 года назад
@@garrett_turbod Thank you for your reply to my question. Most helpful. This is the next job on the list. My car is now at 70 k. You would not happen to know why i have to insert my key twice on every occasion would you. The fist attempt the car hardly ever starts. On the second attempt it starts every time. I have tried foot pedal combinations and battery changes, but nothing. It does make you panic for a second when you are far from home, but on the second insert it comes to life with zero concern. ( This is my last question I promise ;-) Thank you.
@paulgilraine3127
@paulgilraine3127 2 года назад
@@elmafudd9703 Mine does the same sometimes
@emilgaming8327
@emilgaming8327 Год назад
Always remember level your car,
@hubertszczerba8373
@hubertszczerba8373 4 года назад
Very interesting video. I have Volvo S60 2.5L (T5) 2014 with 34,000 miles. Should I do transmission flush with this mileage? If not, when should I do this?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 года назад
Transmission flushes are pretty widely debated thought the Volvo community, many will say it's unnecessary and that their car has 300,000 miles on it without an issue - others claiming they flush often... I believe in regular maintenance regardless of driving habits or mileage. With this being said, Volvo doesn't suggest an interval for fluid flushes while other manufacturers (such as GM) who use the same gearbox suggest 60,000 miles. I would stick to 50-60k for flushes and use the Volvo or Aisin brand fluid.
@hubertszczerba8373
@hubertszczerba8373 4 года назад
@@garrett_turbod Thank you very much for help!
@thejoseandresshow
@thejoseandresshow 3 года назад
Just to add something that might be useful: ZF recommends changing the fluid for the 8HP every 8 years or 80k km, so take that as a point of reference. Even though your car may not have 60k mi, the fluid should be changed after certain amount of time because its performance reduces over time. I know this is the TF80-SC but it is some useful info.
@kmier2000
@kmier2000 2 года назад
Aisin (tranny manufacturer) says flush after 60k km (40k miles)
@joseantoniourrutiamunoz7491
@joseantoniourrutiamunoz7491 2 года назад
Hello, i`m from Chile. What`s the webpage or URL for indications of Volvo cars in minute 2:44 aprox Thank
@kmier2000
@kmier2000 2 года назад
It's Vida.
@mayraacosta7553
@mayraacosta7553 3 года назад
What website were you in explaining the plugs
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
Link in the description
@imamiskillsthatmayhelpothe4865
Keeping running transmission to empty the fluid may let it spin without enough fluid or no fluid at all …kind of risky for the clutches inside the transmission and torque converter!!!the required method is exact same way you disconnect and connect the hoses the inner(connected to the trans)and outer(connected the cooler)ATF with a machine (or have someone pour the fluid while your draining the last two litters)that drains the fluid and in mean time fill it for replacement…this way we won’t have the GAPE time that let the clutches spins without enough lubricant…
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod Год назад
Appreciate the feedback. It's been a while since I've looked at the procedure in VIDA; when I made the video I followed the process from VIDA. The process indicated to remove a specific amount of fluid at a time to prevent the starvation of fluid.
@supersabrosinho
@supersabrosinho 9 месяцев назад
meh, there is no load on the trans. It should be fine for a few secs
@pepeloko7806
@pepeloko7806 2 года назад
How you remove the upper plug?? Why you no show that 👎🏽
@Pelinas
@Pelinas Год назад
Did car need to be level, i see you have only front end on the ramps ??
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod Год назад
Indeed, the level should be set with the car level.
@mikaeljonsson4686
@mikaeljonsson4686 3 года назад
It´s on ramps, that´s why oils coming out when removing first plug....
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
Thanks for the feedback.......
@patagualianmostly7437
@patagualianmostly7437 2 года назад
No Mikael: With the engine stopped the oil level increases as the Torque Converter drains. The level plug gives the correct level with the engine running after the final fill. But it should be off the ramps & level when doing the final fill, with oil above 50°C. (Confirmed below by GP MFG....answering "Hey Sporto")
@ardie72
@ardie72 3 года назад
I kept seeing everyone say to keep the car running when setting the level....I don't think this is required...can't you just bring it up to 55 C and turn the car off.??..what's the purpose of having it running?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
The transmission has a pump in it which circulates the fluid. If the engine isn't running, the amount of fluid in the transmission will be much higher than if it's running. This means if you set the level with the car off, the fluid level will actually be too low.
@edijares1543
@edijares1543 Год назад
So as you're pumping out the transmission oil, the oil level drops while the transmission is running.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod Год назад
That's correct. No need to worry, it won't cause any damage. This is the Volvo service procedure, follow it and you won't cause damage.
@edijares1543
@edijares1543 Год назад
@@garrett_turbod Thanks for this great video.
@tomgeronimo3090
@tomgeronimo3090 Год назад
I wonder if observing temperature is really that important to do this oil service. Why? -because of this natural case; - the oil constracts when cold and expands when hot. So, after driving prior to flush, the oil expands. Flush it while hot, oil would be more pliable or flows easy. Let it cool down to room temperature and measure oil level with graduated container. That measurement is the required new transmission oil you need on the car. New oil has to be on the same room temperature as the old oil. There you go, -science deduction always win!
@supersabrosinho
@supersabrosinho 9 месяцев назад
Yes you are correct. No need to observe trans temps if oils are measured correctly taking thermal expansion into account
@alexmessina3383
@alexmessina3383 2 года назад
Hi just confirming this is not the AW55 50 Aisin transmission? Or is it? thanks for the vid!
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
TF-80SC
@alexmessina3383
@alexmessina3383 2 года назад
@@garrett_turbod Thank you Garrett. Do you know if these trannies, ie TF-80SC and AW55 50, follow same procedure and specs?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
@@alexmessina3383 sorry I do not know that. Look up "Mathews Volvo site" on RU-vid. They have a video about your transmission
@alexmessina3383
@alexmessina3383 2 года назад
Appreciate that/ thanks!
@dragonrider837
@dragonrider837 3 года назад
Can someone explain why it is necessary to reset the fluid counter?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
The fluid counter is used in the transmissions on board diagnostics. It determines fluid degradation due to high temperatures, high loads, etc. If not reset, it's possible your transmission will have faults as it doesn't realize the fluid has been replaced.
@dragonrider837
@dragonrider837 3 года назад
@@garrett_turbod Thanks for the response! So this implies the physical operating characteristics of the transmission changes over time based on fluid viscosity or degradation? Geeze! Any idea how these changes are made? I guess the counter is not just informational for maintenance decisions?
@supersabrosinho
@supersabrosinho 9 месяцев назад
@@dragonrider837 That's a great question, I doubt these transmissions are THAT sophisticated but you never know
@ukgardener973
@ukgardener973 3 года назад
This is great stuff. Looking to do mine here. Where to purchase the VIDA setup from?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
I purchased the DICE module from eBay. It's a knockoff but it works fine. VIDA can be found on swedespeed. There's a few write-ups which also contain the software.
@KLEPTOROTH
@KLEPTOROTH 3 года назад
I use the VIDA VM from volvodiag.com/. They also have downloads that you can do a full local installation, which is a huge PITA as he mentions in the video. Using the VM was simpler for me. I converted it to run inside VMWare Workstation, but Virtualbox (what the image is designed for) should work fine too.
@KLEPTOROTH
@KLEPTOROTH 3 года назад
@@garrett_turbod I was lucky enough to get a genuine volvo VIDA for pretty cheap off of a SwedeSpeed member, so I can use Bluetooth with it :)
@reginaldking3272
@reginaldking3272 3 года назад
Should the car be leveled before draining the excess fluid from the transmission?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
When the car in up in the front, the fluid is angled in the gearbox. So, either pull the plug out on level ground OR lift the rear of the car as well.
@chrisv.996
@chrisv.996 3 года назад
Did you change the filter?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
There's no filter
@ziom00ziom
@ziom00ziom Год назад
@@garrett_turbod there is but inside gearbox. To change it u have to disassembly whole gearbox :(
@naboleiausa273
@naboleiausa273 11 месяцев назад
Does it has a filter?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 11 месяцев назад
As far as I know, no.
@naboleiausa273
@naboleiausa273 11 месяцев назад
@@garrett_turbod tks
@Michal.KT91
@Michal.KT91 6 месяцев назад
⁠@@naboleiausa273it does and it is hidden behind the differential, so even if you take off the valve body you won’t be able to replace the filter… that’s a boomer
@KarlssonnsKlister
@KarlssonnsKlister 3 года назад
Hose diameter ?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
1/2" OD
@HarryKeyworth
@HarryKeyworth 6 месяцев назад
What is an h17 hex ?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 6 месяцев назад
Good question. I assume an Allen head.
@HarryKeyworth
@HarryKeyworth 6 месяцев назад
So it is it seems
@ttsrg
@ttsrg Год назад
ДЗЯКУЙ
@geochafg
@geochafg Год назад
at 20:40 your car is not leveled to complete the procedure!
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod Год назад
Yep. This has been mentioned by many. The top comment has been pinned with my response outlining this mistake.
@tellyonthewall8751
@tellyonthewall8751 4 года назад
7 L in total .. 3 to 4 L is coming out by normal plug drain and refill ... and you didn't clean up plugs and change gaskets/seals??? I would do .. they have to sit there for the next close to 40.000 miles.
@cannon440
@cannon440 2 года назад
What an ASININE way for trans oil to be checked & filled! Why don't they use a dipstick like American cars?
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
Most modern cars no longer use dipsticks. Any new American car that I've seen uses a "sealed" transmission, meaning the manufacturer believes it never needs to be serviced....
@trungle9923
@trungle9923 2 года назад
Its VIDA not Vaida
@zdenekvedmoch4199
@zdenekvedmoch4199 4 года назад
chaos
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 4 года назад
The only way I do.
@DeprisaDryICeBLasting
@DeprisaDryICeBLasting 3 года назад
is time for electric cars
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
Still gotta maintain what's on the road guy.
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 3 года назад
Also... Electric cars are not maintenance free
@stephencrabb5123
@stephencrabb5123 2 года назад
Waist of money
@garrett_turbod
@garrett_turbod 2 года назад
Not sure how my waist has anything to do with your money. In all seriousness though.. many people including myself disagree. It's your opinion and I respect that.
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