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@Dogsareheavensent747Heaven-d2i This came out of nowhere. lol . But I do wonder if Meta will license out their OS for those headsets as Zuck talked about..

Yeah, and it's already out there with Meta's ray ban glasses. People should really be talking about it more. It honestly creeps me out. If people want to open up their whole life to Meta by using their products and signing the TOS without reading it, that's their business. But now Meta's putting devices out there that are meant to be used in public with outward facing cameras. Pretty sure nobody consented to Meta spying on them in that fashion. There should be legislation crafted around these devices and how they can/cannot use the data they gather on the people around their user, but politicians in pretty much every country are out of touch and clueless about this stuff.

​@@GreyMatterShades in Europe, it has.

@@bedsdt Yeah the EU and European countries in general seem to be better informed and more pro-consumer. Canada, by contrast, is a joke atm. 😢

@@GreyMatterShades your consent isn't required though when you're in a public space.

@@Thezuule1 I understand that, and when it's a matter of another civilian taking photos or videos I don't have a problem. But when these devices are connected to the internet, and the images and videos are passed through facial recognition software to identify everyone in a given image, and that information can be corelated with GPS data and sold on to individual or business who cares to buy it, I think consent should be required or more realistically, legislation should limit how that technology is used by companies. Especially when profit is involved.

@@nickmartin596 I discussed it previously

red matter 2 is one of the best looking quest games out there, many others fall way behind in terms of graphics. Thanks for the support

Many people's opinions are based on their experience with the Quest 2. And well, many, many games ARE held back by the Quest 2, so the complaints are kind of justified. Red Matter 2 is just one of a few exceptions. I also guess many people have not even tried the games in VR and just base their opinions on the flat videos they see on RU-vid.

I liked Red Matter 2 a lot!

Yeah Red Matter 2 is definitely an outlier when it comes to standalone VR graphics. Vertical Robot are wizards, and they made conscious design decisions to allow the game to look great on the limited hardware. I wish more developers would follow their example.

Yes, two different things

Be honest. It sucks lol.

@@User_92020 I was trying to be polite, but you got me there 😆

@@DruGunnersVR I was beyond polite when I stated it "sucks" lol

@@User_92020 I thought being new to Quest it would be a good stepping stone to get my games library built up. I've played all the games I want to play and now it's getting boring. They've added 2 games to the subscription catalogue in the last 4 months. The bonus is I made a complaint and they gave me £30 store credit.

Yeah I was hoping Sony would make more spinoff games like Horizon Call of the Mountain. Even though that game was mid by most accounts, the concept of taking assets from a triple-A flat game and using them to build a made-for-VR game is a great idea. It'd dramatically reduce the budget needed to make a high-end VR game. It's a shame Sony didn't follow through on it (or at least have shown no signs they're following through). Not sure there's any other company that'd do it. Maybe Capcom or Ubisoft someday. I guess Valve could if they ever make another triple-A flat game.

I think meta is currently aiming at basically having a monopoly on standalone VR headsets and OS. They want people who would think about going for something like the vision pro to go for a quest 3. I think it's not so bad for us (well us who are on quest) because then game devs wont have to develop for different hardwares to be able to reach a bigger audience which means we might see more AAA standalone VR games.

I covered alvo awhile back. Thanks for the support

It's not the same game. The one shown is the official AoT title, while the sidequest one is a fan creation which honestly looks a bit better imo.

yeah its possible, my bad

@@Gamingwithmatteo311 not your bad brother, just throwing that out there for you to look into further..I'm not 100% on it just someone who hasnt gave me bad info yet told me that's what was happening w it.

Reviews for the PSVR 2 version hit today with no mention of MR. I suppose it's possible they could patch it in later though.

@@GreyMatterShades there official storefront does state "PSVR2 & steam is ONLY available in VR" but idk why this source would mislead me..hes been spot on w a few other bits of info in the past. so I guess well have to see 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@SAVAGE-GAMER- Yup. I'm not really interested in MR, but it would be cool to see developers using it on PSVR 2. Realistically there's no reason why they couldn't. Sony does it with the graphics they display when you set your boundaries. The only hindrance is the black and white view. As for your source, it's possible the game was planned for MR on PSVR 2 but maybe they ran into technical issues or Sony denied it for some reason. So they might've just had outdated info. Or it's still in the works. 🤷‍♂

@@user-tw2xq5co1g nope, no pro planned this year

I assume you've looked into the Bigscreen Beyond? It doesn't have the glasses form factor, but it's very small and light. It's gotten great reviews from what I've seen.

@@GreyMatterShades Yes, I did, but it needs a lot of extras: controllers, base-station (or lighthouses) plus the extra costs. But of course the formfactor is great.

@@SjaakSchulteis Yeah the extra costs are substantial unfortunately. Hopefully they make a new version with included controllers and without the need for base stations.

How would they rate games though. Unfortunately you can't trust most reviews from either reviewers or users, especially on the Meta store where there seems to be a form of discount bribery going on.

@@GreyMatterShades same way you’d trust anything like this, reputation. Hacks are gonna hack, and ultimately be known for being a hapless shill. Legit reviewers will naturally rise to the surface and carry the most weight. At least that’s how I see it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

eh treadmills will be obsolete once the freeaim vr shoes release

yup i do that. i also watch 3d movies on it (via pc or via an usb stick + converter), i watch art movies on it (3d and flat). I meditate with it. Play sports a lot, and games also a bit.

I agree they'd be a good fit, but I don't think it's likely Nintendo will embrace VR that way. If anything I think they'd go for MR, as Myamoto and others at Nintendo have said they don't like how VR isolates you from the world and people around you. But Nintendo VR could be incredible. Aside from their recent games, there's a ton of Wii games which would be perfect for VR remakes. Stuff like Red Steel 2 and Dead Space Extraction would be great in VR. I think it's much more likely that Apple will be the company to do what you're saying. The AVP was way out of most people's budgets, but that's like a first prototype. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they release a headset with a relatively consumer attainable price point in the next 3 years. Then again, Apple does love to GOUGE people on hardware prices. And who knows how much they'd embrace the gaming side of it. Not traditionally their forte, but they've been pushing more in that direction.

@@GreyMatterShades the fact you took the time to type out a really well-formatted and smart response is appreciated man! Honestly yeah, that’s true! When Apple does make their products more consumer-friendly in terms of vr, the sky’s the limit! But the thing is that Apple doesn’t have a strong VR app base, from what I’ve seen… the Apple ecosystem both suffers and benefits from from its more closed-off and selective nature I guess, but yeah, I can see what you mean. As for Wii games, absolutely. Mario galaxy and Skyward sword? Two beautiful games visually with beautiful mechanics and a lasting impression (the latter is debatable but I love Skyward Sword) that would transfer perfectly to vr… I do hope they jump into it soon, absolutely. Even with their older games (ocarina of time, both n64 and 3d). In vrchat there’s a port of Ocarina of time’s map with some mechanics in progress, using the 3d assets, and stepping into that world was a whole new experience. It’d be cool to see a ‘vr classics’ bundle or something maybe, even if they don’t fully jump into it. Punch out Wii? Heck yeah. Majoras mask? Yes please 😭

@@YeeHawRev I appreciate your appreciation! 🍻 Your comment warranted such a response. And too many times on RU-vid I'll take some time to post a response and the person just says "yup" or "ur wrong" 😑 But anyway... I can't believe it's taken us this long to state the obvious. Metroid effing PRIME! It would be PERFECT for VR. And yes, they've got a treasure trove of older games that would be cool to experience in VR. Even some of the GameCube lineup would be great. And more than that, I'd love to see what new games they could come up with. Nintendo has always been great at showing off their hardware. In the Wii era they used motion controls arguably better than anyone. If any company could really thoroughly nail VR interaction, I think it would be Nintendo. But I still don't think its gonna happen any time soon 😢 As for Apple, the "walled garden" approach of their ecosystem could hinder them, but they've been pretty open with the iPhone. I think by the time their headsets are targeting mainstream audiences, they'd likely take a similar approach. My big concern is they don't have much experience with first-party game development. Who knows though. 5 years ago if you'd asked me if Apple could make a bunch of award winning TV shows I'd say no way, and look where we are now. Apple has started dabbling in games with Apple Arcade. If they put their mind (and money) to VR content, they could probably make something great. I'm just concerned that they're more interested in AR/MR and "spatial computing."

@@GreyMatterShades same to you 😭, main reason is because you shared a slightly differing opinion respectfully, which like you said most people don’t! Metroid prime would be a system seller tbh, it has so much polish! On that topic, I do have my quest 3 and recently tried out questcraft, which made me realize how first party titles with genuine polish can be ported to standalone hardware and be a genuine reason to pick it up. I never liked Minecraft as a child but love it now thanks to this system. As for Apple, honestly yeah! There definitely is opportunity for them to grow and open up a bit more, and they have shown they can do that in a very smart way. MrWhoseTheBoss did a video sort of explaining how smart apple’s marketing and growth tactics are for the longevity of the company, so I wouldn’t put it past them to take their time and begin to release incredible vr games. At the end of the day, I am the best case customer for VR/AR. I make music, 3d model, and do school, where having AR is great, and also love vr and vr gaming and the immersion it brings. I think in tandem, focusing on more then just special computing or ‘the metaverse’ , focusing on integrating vr into a daily piece of equipment that compliments or enhances existing tech is the way to go!

@@bigmakbm1I really don't have any more issues. Have u ever tried psvr 1, that's mura central

I find it extremely distracting on the Quest 3

@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I have been told PSVR2 is bad also. I just never experienced it before on my other PCVR headsets.

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@VRDaD it's always about trade offs. Mobile can and never will match pc but eventually it starts to get to a point of diminishing returns

Well the oasis made it happen

Cloud gaming is the answer to this. It's the only way.

@ScarletEternity what I'm saying is it doesn't replace flat gaming. It's like saying madden replaced playing football outside, it's just different

@@Gamingwithmatteo311 yeah it will be like that a while but honestly id compare it more to the arcade normies and gamers loved the arcade back in the day but having a portable console or pc or console until recent years has been considereded nerdy but now arcades are nearly none existent Now i dont think flatscreen will ever completely die but if you can wear a pair of glasses or a headset and play games far more immersivly and once vr is atleast on par with flatscreen it will more than likely moniteraly be more worthit like why own a phone and a pc when u could combine with into a headset be more immersive in the future maybe even cheaper definitely with game streaming No flatscreen wont die but vr will almost certainly reach the level flatscreen has Also ai bro like being able to have a human in ur head but its a ai thats like super intelligent would be huge

@@Gamingwithmatteo311 i just think the scale is on a whole nother level

lol, they own and operate app lab

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What? Mateo is a huge Quest 3 fan and speaks regularly very highly of it. People even criticise him constantly here in the comments for hyping Meta and Quest too much. I've heard him say countless of times that Meta is the future of VR. As it is. I didn't follow him before Quest 3 times so maybe it was different before, but at least now he gives Quest 3/Meta all the praise it deserves.

@@repeahlfors9951 yup spent years crapping on quest and meta ruining VR . I get frustrated with it because it all comes from a place of personal opinion and refuse to acknowledge the reality of the “ state of VR “ . VR kind of has to be forced because overall humanity is so stubborn and ignorant force feeding and over saturation is the ONLY thing that “ works “ . Need to be welcoming to all new comers to VR and prolly best not to crap all over the device they just bought as the cheapest and most popular way into VR . He is by far not the only one . Most think they know “ what VR needs “ …. It’s nice to think about what we want , but has no relevance to what is actually happening and separating a wishlist and reality shouldn’t be that hard lol . There are plenty of reasons things are the way they are but flat out the biggest issue to get VR across the line is spending . Meta for all of its faults and granted poor judgment in some things does NOT negate that no one else decided to spend through the growth of VR regardless of what happens . That’s like the “ biggest” thing in VR by far because without it we don’t get here in our lifetimes , without we wouldn’t get to see what comes next in our lifetimes for certain . Phrase struck a cord because of all the negative crap that still gets spouted all the time just parroting what they here from a multitude of creators . Backtracking NOW after the quest 3 proves them all wrong is good , but still frustrating lol . The quest games they still complain about are not meant for vets , but they still complain about games made for noobs like it is not a needed thing for the constant flow of new comers . Could just focus on what they like if that is too hard to understand … but nope , they still pretend like everything is supposed to be made for vets … sooo not fully supporting when leaving clear and good reasons for a lot of things meta does .

@GhostShot-mk9tq Thanks for the long and detailed answer! I agree with you. I personally want expensive high-quality PC VR devices and games, but at the same time, I do realise that it's not the right way for VR to grow and to get more mainstream. I have a lot of friends who've bought Quest 2 now because the price is so low, and all of them are very happy with the device. All of them are them are going to upgrade to a better device at some point (most to Quest 3), but a cheap, relatively low quality VR headset is what got them into VR in the first place.

@@repeahlfors9951 pcvr kind of skewed peoples idea of where we “ should “ be . There are plenty of great pcvr games but the fact remains it is expensive so buying into it directly was never going to grow VR fast enough on its own . The games they made that really throw people of were made to make buying directly into pcvr worth it . Half life Alex and stuff are great games they were also very expensive and took awhile too make . Cheaper was and is needed , and with hybrid capability for pcvr a lot go to pcvr after buying in to quest . Should make the quest a great thing to pcvr as it is the main thing growing pcvr as we go . Never understood the shortsightedness of it all . There are people being annoyed with the deal to sell quest in China like it isn’t important …. over a billion people in China , some even like tech I think lol . The potential sales could dramatically ramp the speed of progress up . There a lot of things happening in VR , but constantly crapping on the multibillion dollar golden goose making all this happen on the level it is seems counterproductive to growth. I get being impatient and I get why , but VR already has enough negativity surrounding it from the outside without the people that are supposed to like VR complaining about the most popular headset and games .

@@GloriousKev it's coming

I think what VR needs most is to ship with a better head strap. I think there are millions of headsets collecting dust on shelves because they were uncomfortable and people didn't realize they didn't have to be. I had a friend who couldn't understand why I liked VR until I got him a conformable head strap for his quest and the light came on. I know Meta is trying to keep the price down, but they are shooting themselves in the foot with their floppy head straps in the box.