Today's Honda will not be able to afford to build a racing car of the past. Automakers around the world are in the same situation in this regard. Even at that time, it was wonderful to make such a wonderful car.
Exactly. The 16V 4AGEs came out with estimated 125hp. Those VTECs are all 170 + atleast. I really doubt any of those 4AGEs are anywhere near the power of those VTECs. Unless each of them happened to have formula atlantic or N2 spec engines. Highly doubt.
holy shit, this is the BEST segment of racing that i've ever seen come out of best motoring/hot version. going 3 wide on the back straight was unbelievable! i've never seen that on tsukuba before. although, the way the S2000 was able to pass on the outside during the last corner makes me think he was holding back. there is no other logical explanation for that extreme increase in cornering speed.
The AE86 came with a digital speedometer in Japan when the cars were first manufactured. If you notice, Keiichi's speedo is a little different, and you can see his reflection in the camera view of it.
god I love the s2k, took outside lines on a wet coarse and still came out with a win. can't wait to get mine but I'll enjoy my k20 del sol till the spring ;-)
Yes, AWD will tend to understeer, and RWD will tend to oversteer. That has almost no bearing on how fast they can corner, it's just a characteristic of the drivetrain. A Nissan GTR is often described as having understeer, but it generates the same lateral G's as porsches, ferraris, mclarens etc. Understeer just means you're reaching the limit of the cars cornering ability, it says nothing about where that limit is. You only have to look to time attack to see that AWD is faster in the corners.
Oh, thanks bro... i totally forgot about these ;) Not to mention that a Window is also some kind of door... So its a 11 door in the end... (I have no idea why they call it 3 door in germany.. but they do.)
@Sleepe00 Braking/acceleration control. People always seem to miss that the pedals aren't on/off switches. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people run off the road over-accelerating/braking... lol
Show's how much you know about automotive...Anti-lagg aka backfire is only during shifting; holding the gas pedal down at a certain rpm will not murder anything. Some turbo users implement a small turbo to spool up the bigger one so they get the instant boost like you would get from a super charger but with out the parasitic effect a super charger brings.
that makes sense. i was wondering why it looked like the s2000 speedo, but couldn't figure out why his 86 had one. i just figured it was weird lighting that made the 86 speedo look different. i would've kept the 4A
Im so glad the DC2 didnt win! It was soo slow in the corners towards the final laps.. He was blocking all the cars then rocketing out on the back straight.. The S2000 got the win from LAST place, goes to show the cornering/braking potential!
late braking technique and outside take over. The driver knew how to use the s2000 quick and depended on the outside then super inside for fast corner exit.
AWD is normally quicker to 60. There aren't many cases when rwd will beat awd drive 60 and I have never heard of fwd beating awd to 60. My s2000 clutch has been slipping since I bought it, but I can still pull 5.5-6 second 0-60's.
one of the 86's actually has the s2k setup in it. so its balanced out. remember, this is a race between tuned cars, and theyre japanese. theyre likely to downtune to make the race fair on that aspect.otherwise its no fun for them!
You can't just downtune a modern 2.0lt with 240 factory horsepower to be equal with a 1983 1.6lt that is producing 180hp at its absolute limit as a race motor. Now if they had GT-86s out there, that would be a real comparison because the horsepower gap isnt so huge. The S2000 still has more power, but the 86 has the more modern chassis. Should make for a good race if anyone ever organises it.
I have yet to see a backfire off the line for boost...I like both personally, But I do like the freedom of boost you get with a turbo. I will never use a super charger for anything.
i seen a plenty ae86 vs vtec battles....in this vid,, rain was your track advantage lol...sorry to burst some bubbles..lol ... all ways love to watch honda vs toyota battles....
@StrifeHenry So do FRs in some cases. Drivetrain layout has very little to do with the way the car handles. South California is the originator of the Honda style, and Japan follows. Current US drift scene is nothing more than a mash-up of JDM parts, drifting styles found in Japan, and whatever the stupid trend is at the moment, be it hellaflush, rusty body panels, roof racks, or sticker bombing. And for the most part they do look like ricers, yet almost nobody has the balls to point that out.
Yes, speed DOES matter. If You didn't have speed, cornering and handling wouldn't matter. Like I said with my sarcastic comment, if they were all doing 40kmph, they would all handle quite well, better than an F1 car. Self explanatory really.
@powerofdreams666 AE86s lose in technology and the F20C has 250hp, thats just about right for a ae86. but whats more amazing is the torque of the F20C is just right for the ae86.... i know the s2k is a cornering car(is said to be faster than NSX's on last corner @ tsukuba).... i still don't really get what u mean...
the AE86's are losing in displacement size and power(1.6 liter vs 1.8 and 2.0 liters...) plus they over 20 years old.....(u__u). oh well, they can still lap tsukuba 1:00 range(record time for AE86 is 59:126)
