WAKANDA FOREVER Review | A Messy Tribute Dragged Down By Bad Decisions 

It's amazing that the same people who wrote the 1st Black Panther film made a film that honor their actor at the expense of killing his characterization ironically. For example, Queen Romanda allows Wakanda to retreat back to isolation when T'Challa's purpose was to correct the misguided traditions that Killmonger exploited.

I do agree with how they addressed T'Challa's sickness. they could have said it had something do do with T'cahlla being snapped for five years, that his body was uniquely affected and couldn't survive the experience much long afterwards, without another application of the herb

If I had made this movie I would've given the character of T'Challa the respect he deserves. He wears a mask so nobody can see his face. Give him a proper send off and have him die heroically against impossible odds to save his people. Having him die off screen seems so disrespectful.

Look even Chadwick’s family said that he most likely would’ve wanted a recast as he isn’t the character he just embodied him and I completely agree

Chadwick Boseman is not T’Challa. He is a gifted actor who played the character. Any good actor can play T’Challa. Recasting is not being disrespectful.

"Died of an unknown illness". Didn't the heart shaped herb give him any immunity? Super soldier serum cured Steve of all the diseases he had. Even if tchalla was sick, it shouldn't have reached advanced stage with the herb in him. Wakanda being an advanced nation they should've been able to find a cure easily..

Riri being terrible in the movie was a given, but just wait I'm sure she'll be even worse in her Disney+ series

Notice the lack of black men in the story? We just have M'Baku. Where are the strong black men fighting to protect the nation? It just seems like they are doing the Woman King over again, but with superpowers and laser spears.

In Order to Save this Movie and the Story,Disney and Marvel Studios should have Had Recasted the T'Challa Character since he's Both Black Panther and Wakanda,it isn't to Disrespect Him but to Honor Him and His Family,This Decision is Both Disappointing, Disrespectful, and Disgusting.

Re: Riri They've bundled her into the film because they need an Ironman character & this was the easiest way of getting her in there & in a way that they hoped would deflect criticism (given it's about legacy), it's not like they could risk her own film or even a TV series at this point.

Actually, I think I know how to fix the Riri character. In addition to the improvements they made to her, a few more that if they made would of made her what I think may actually qualify as a good character: 1) Change her backstory so she grew up in the area where Black Panther sets up his school/outreach building. Have her go there. By having her go to a school or outreach center that Black Panther set up it adds to the idea of legacy. It also adds a connection to him and Wakanda, which then means when the Royal Guard comes to get her later, she now knows who they are and gives her a reason to be more trusting and less of a jerk. So instead of the reaction we got, we get one of more wonderment. This also would show how the Queen went the wrong direction with isolation after Black Panther disappears. I imagine having Riri show up in Wakanda talking to the Queen about how much that school meant to her sprinkled in how she wants to carry his legacy forward would not only be tasteful but would serve not only as a flaw for the Queen, but also a moment of character growth where the Queen could recognize in her grief she was wrong and a way to move past it. This personal connection also gives the Wakandans a reason to protect her, as I would think the Queen and her (and possibly other people that were close to Black Panther) would then see her as more of a symbol of the good Black Panther did in the outside world. I also can see a lot of narrative gold on the idea that everyone she looks up to is dead, once again showing how without Black Panther, they lost their way and integrating her into there stories, and themes of the movie. 2) When that gets closed down during the 5 year time skip, have Tony Stark recognize that area needs something and he continues to fund it. This would again provide a tie and allow the legacy of his character to move forward. Where the theme of Riri character is the burden of carrying someone else's legacy and the worries one has of themselves if they can live up to it. This would paint her as likable as instead of tearing down the old, she wants to do right by it, to make sure the good they made in the world is nurtured spread. It also could be her mini-arc where at the start she has no idea how to live up to the legacy and is feeling crushed under the weight and at the end she has started to accept the responsibility of it. 3) Her ironman suit ends up being a fusion of the aesthetics of the iron man suit and black panther suit. Again, the theme of the film is legacy, so instead of the design we got, have something that pays tribute to the people who helped make a large positive change in her life. Change her character from I am a minority women so I am the smartest and bestest to people made a positive change in my life, how do I pay this forward, now that I have power how to I respect the legacy they left behind? In later movies she can get a design that is closer to that in the comics, but for this one, I feel a more "legacy" looking one would fit the theme better. Curious on others thoughts on if this in their eyes would make the character and also parts of the movie better. That or at least you can see the direction I am going, and the multitude of cool ideas and good plot changes this would cause.

I new they were going to fumble the bag without the recast Chadwick Boseman's brother spoke on behalf of his brother he said he wanted the character to continue so basically marvel got his blessing they are objectively wrong imo

Once again Thorias tells it like it is. Well done man. You deserve so many more subscribers for your efforts...I regret I only have one to give.

7:40 Sounds like they got Riri *very* comics accurate. Did she also need the concept of gravity explained to her by her suits A.I. and steal the plans, parts, and lab equipment to build her armor before being given one built by Stark’s (I guess in this Shuri’s) lab after her’s was destroyed by a single attempt at doing something? Edit: Guess not on the stolen Stark stuff.

Marvel killing off Black Panther also kills off decades worth of comic stories they could have drew from to make movies with that character. But you know this wasn't about honoring anyone's memory. This was about "YO WE GOT FEMALE QUEEN BLACK PANTHER YALL, YAAAAAS BLACK QUEEN SLAAAAAAY"

I think the changes to Namor was something to do with rights issues…..in order not to have to pay royalties to the creators of the original comic book character, they had to change him enough to be essentially a different character…

Just wait till he learns that Batwoman is coming back in the Flash show.

I haven't seen the film but I think introducing Ironheart Riri was a huge mistake as it totally detracts from the story and has no reason to be introduced here. Feige made a huge mistake just skipping over great story lines from the comics. He rushed into the whole modern era which is currently tanking titles left and right. I'm certain when the Fantastic Four is introduced it'll be Susan who's the leader of the team. Reed (who's made way too many mistakes in the modern era) will be an idiot.

The one thing you should never do when you're impaled is to remove the object because you'll die from blood loss, she had wolverine/ Deadpool level of healing factor.

The RU-vid algorithm disses are always some of my most anticipated moments of your movie reviews.

Yes, this is what I’ve been waiting for, the honest reviews, I just watched the Drinker’s video, and jumped right over to yours. I appreciate the honesty, you won’t get that from the shills

Apart from the bad CGI of Riri's suit, i think i liked everything else. To her character, i am indifferent, but yeah, everything else felt really good to me.

LMFAO did anyone notice Riri has a corn roll shaped helmet WTF how tight is that thing (apparently as tight as the corn rolls) . And Thorias I keep telling you this is and will be from here on the M-she-U female Black Panther was the plan all along but Chadwick's death speeded things up for them.

Technically we will get another Tchalla but we have to wait till his son grows up

It sounds to me like this was really a hidden “iron heart” movie. Let’s be honest, that film would have failed even more than this

I’m guessing they changed Namor’s origin cause it was too similar to Aquaman’s who debuted in live action first and that’s why they also can’t use the Atlantis name

You know they could have just solved this whole issue of they just had she hulk talk to Kevin and fix it. 🙄

This is how the Phase 4 M-SHE-U concludes? Ironic. Plus I find it odd that they won't recast Black Panther but have no problems trying to replace 'Thunderbolt' Ross after William Hurts passing.

The whole recasting T'Challa situation has me conflicted because one one hand, I like what Ryan Coogler wanted to do with the struggles of being a king in a changing world after Avengers Endgame and how that parallels Namor’s introduction with a two worlds colliding story that introduces some interesting ideas While on the other hand, I understand if they recasted the T’Challa than people might not see past what Chadwick Boseman brought to the role and why they felt the need to change some details to make it more than just one lead making a difference and how Namor can still be apart of the story along with Talokan going to war with the surface Even though it might’ve been too much, I wonder what this movie would’ve been like if Doctor Doom had made his MCU introduction in this Black Panther sequel and how it could’ve affected things going forward

Namor was changed in the MCU primarily due to DC's Aquaman movie beating Marvel to the screen in portraying Atlantis and a sea based hero, even though Namor predates Aquaman in the comics.

America Chavez, Riri Williams and Moon Girl coming up. Are there any more crap characters Marvel can shoehorn into their movies?

It felt like they were giving M'baku a little bit more in this movie, he was almost interesting to me. When he showed the elders some level of knowledge he knew and was giving Shuri some council both when she was grieving and when it came to killing in war, I appreciated that. But in the end, he was just minor enough that it didn't build up enough. Also, it bugged me how VERY briefly RiRi mentions her father as almost an influence in her life, but it's so quick if you sneezed it would've been missed.

Felt like forever since a review from you. Happy to hear this review thorias

1.Puttig Riri Williams into this and making her a central figure was the equivalent of strapping a half ton weight on a guy who's alredy limping from a .40 caliber bullet wound. But the saddest part is that there were so many cool ways to make both her and Namor more interesting: A)Make Riri the villain. She's alredy Tony Stark but with none of the charisma so just play into that with Shuri being the ONLY one protecting her because she's displacing her grief and not seeing her for what she is B) Have Namor not really give a crap about Wakanda initially. Only informing them that he's gonna kill the scientist (Riri) out of obligation as he feels that he's doing them a favor. And when apporached he basically beats the crap out of anyone or completely ignores them. Saying outright that the only person he'll talk to is the current Black Panther, as he would be a warrior first and politician second, which does fit with Chadwick's interpretation of the character while giving Namor a good bit of depth. Showing that while he's a king himself he respects fighters first and foremost 2. Its kinda weird that more enthasis isn't put on how destabilising T'Challa's death is on Wakanda. The way its set up, Wakanda has had a king/queen and a warrior with the Black Panther title for *centuries* with the cicle never being broken. But now with T'Challa's death they lost BOTH. Showing the country and the royal family in unrest and dissaray could have been interesting 3. Okoye probably should have been the next Black Panther if recasting wasn't an option. I could totally see the actress pulling it off.

So they've completely screwed over the Fantastic Four before they even got an MCU movie. They ruined two enemies closely associated with them with Namor and the Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Wakanda Forever, because it was worth it for these crap movies instead of potentially good FF stories. They also ruined then buried the Inhumans, another group closely associated with the FF. And they ruined Mr. Fantastic in Multiverse of Madness.

Great review. I remember how much you use to rant on Riri on you other channel.

Riri Williams did steal Tony's inventions remember the scene where she literally burned his schematics when the cops showed

The first two minutes of the movie were really good. And the last couple of minutes of the movie were pretty good... EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN WAS A DUMPSTER FIRE

The M-she-U phase 4 is all about women rising above men. Chadwick Dying didn't made Shiri Black Panther, it just made it a lot easier for Disney to get rid of T'challa and have their own catwoman.

I believe Gary from Nerdrotic specified the reason either on FNT or another of their Wakanda Forever vids. Namorr, it's a rights issue. It may be Universal still has rights to the character. So Namor, Avenging Son, isn't the right character and they gave us Namorr the boy without love

they changed Namor so much to avoid paying creator royalties

My favorite part is when Namór said “my name is namorrrr, and I like tacos and burritos”

Paused the video at 1 second to post this before watching.. Predicting he just EXPLODES spontanously. Edit: Sad, No explosion.

3:57 Shuri was more upset at herself that she has genius gift mind and couldn't come up with something to save her brother. No big deal, it was terrible.

Love your reviews as always.

Chadwick went on record saying he wanted the role recast. He did NOT want Black Panther to die with him. So this was not what Marvel thought was "the most respectful thing". This was a GLEEFULL(for them) opportunity to replace yet another strong male character with a female imitation.

lol you really had me with that closing 🤣

They really should have swapped out Riri with a Ultimate Universe style young Reed Richards with powers. MCU Spider-Man it up with him as powered up and active. Then have the Fantastic Four show up at the end. It'd be awesome and maybe humble that bald headed lady who flings out "colonizer" with impunity.

Keep em' comin', Thorias👍👍

They could have used CGI and stock footage to have T'Challa fight and die at the hands of Namooooooorrrrrr which would give the characters a reason to be angry.

Excellent work as always!

Appreciate the honest review. Well done

Truth be told, Namor and his people being Mayan-like was a very good and well-executed idea. Beside that, most of your critique is spot on even though I did enjoy the emotional weight of the movie.

Right just like I thought how can someone make an Vibranium detector when you don't have Vibranium to test it :) ?

Mr. Nimbus

They gave Shuri the Reva treatment. Fatally stabbed in the torso doesn't kill them. Even if done twice.

So now that we've had all the new comic movies this year come out, which would you say was the best of the 4? The Batman, Multiverse of Madness, Black Adam or Wakanda Forever?

Twitter ppl actually want Ryan coogler to direct Secret wars LMAOO

LOVED. LOVED. LOVED the snap edit at the end. I'm playing this on my phone and screen-shotting that ish!! lol 5:10 -- Thank you!! One of MANY first thoughts that came to mind when I heard about this. I was like, " 'Synthesizing!?!' Why?? They don't have a back-up plan for something like that???? They have flying cars, but can't percieve a worse-case-scenario like safekeeping the _essence_ of the Black Panther's power???" I naturally thought they'd re-planted the damn garden. Ofcourse, I thought they would have re-cast the Black Panther too, sooooo.......yeah. >eyeroll< (I am seriously sliding from hating Disney, into despising them.)

I think people are wrong about having to rewrite it because there were rumors that T'Challa was going to get killed in the beginning and his sister was going to take up the suit. I belive Disney just took a tragedy and turned it into an opportunity making it hard to criticize. I think the only thing affected the script i think was they could not show T'Challas death, but the rest of the movie went as planned

It superhero movie u can't cast your freind family and freind as the main lead no matter how good actor is the character need to be recognizable

Obviously, they changed Namor and Atlantis's origin stories for the MCU because, in the comics, they're very similar to what Aquaman did in his movie, which came out a couple of years ago. So they wanted Namor to feel as different as possible from Aquaman to keep people from saying he's just a Marvel Aquaman knock-off. Honestly, I'm surprised you didnt figure that part out.

I honestly didn't think it was that bad. It was way better than the last Thor film. But I agree that phase 4 is terrible

I agree this is one of the worst films. I have so much frustration about this mess. The M-She-U has ruined nearly all my childhood heroes by emasculating, humiliating and killing off them for a better stronger female lead, truly disheartening and disgusting.

Many of the choices, such as T'challa not seeking help, are DELIBERATE, they are part of the man bashing of the movie, they were ALWAYS going to replace him with Shuri, same with Riri.

4:48 And that is why I don't get why DC kept Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair for as long as they did. She regularly rubs elbows with superheroes with advanced technology, alien technology, future technology, and frelling magic! Why leave her like that?

Thanks for the review, there was always a sense that the MCUs was slowly heading towards a Creative Dead End sans SM: NWH. Each new Film and TV Series kept highlighting the substandard quality of the writing/storytelling. I was initially excited about Wakanda Forever but after the She-Hulk finale, my expectation for anything beyond that point dropped like a stone. Counting backwards now BP: WF, T: L&T, DS: MOM have collectively sucked and now we know why they unceremoniously skipped to Phase 5 but that hardly improves anything with what we've seen so far. It's time to move on from the MCU franchise. Whenever you have a good idea, the sincerity to apply it usually shines in the early stages, then it matures, then it peaks and eventually becomes long in the tooth when it doesn't know how to evolve. The MCU is now middling and feels unremarkable at best but now expect a few, rare good ones and lots of forgettables in the future. 💁

this movie is "girl power" to the extreme. Ahkukhan (spelling) looks similar to the Submariner. They should have just made Namor and the Atlanteans like they are in the comics. The large feather motif makes no sense for an underwater race in my opinion.

So having a wakanda wide inviation to the Black panthar role would have been ruled out in this movie? A nephew? A distant brother, something? Or a young man willing to take on the challenge? ANything?? NO?

After watching the movie, Riri wasn't a massive problem in this movie. If anything her presence in the movie was great because she basically a foreigner to them. She's pretty funny with her one liners and her interaction with shuri felt like a sisterhood to me. I would love to see Thorne in her series next year. I would watch her any day of the week than watch that green female gorilla hooker ripoff she hulk. You CAN'T SAY she's just the same as she hulk. Riri is tolerable and she hulk isn't .This movie made over 600 million dollars on opening night I think so it was a massive hit. There's just a bunch of people online who can make videos bringing it down because they don't like it. Thankfully numbers don't lie and people do lie sooo....

You've earned my subscription good sir. Glad we agree on a majority of the things in this movie

Black Pander : Whack Andy Forever

Idk if recasting T'challa would've helped. Because you know they were going to focus on all the women characters. Including the majority of the movie on the unlikable reeree williams. The movie would be the same. Disney and Marvel studios are hell bent on giving us unmitigated trash.

I never thought about the having no Vibranium and building a Vidranium detector. Dumb writers.

So you either missed the part where Killmonger burned down the entire sacred herb garden or you watched that scene and was like ah no big deal. Yeah dude the story is about recreating the herb the villain in the last movie burned down that is why that scene was so important. Not sure why this specifically is hard to believe when it was apart of the plot when Chadwick was alive in the first one.

5:40 Actually, that's pretty believable to me. Wakandan society gave me the impression of having WIS as their dump stat.

The origin and Atlantis changes, were all in service too "This is not Aquaman." Giving WB no reason to sue.

"I don't know why Marvel keep making these changes...." - perhaps this relates to what Disney did with Star Wars, they made characters and items 20% different from previous versions to avoid paying full royalties on them. Hence whey C3PO suddenly has a red arm, why the Falcon has a different shaped radar dish, etc. Just an idea. Great review as always!

The movie was a big mistake. T’Challa should have been recast. They would have never made this disastrous movie if they did what Chadwick Boseman and his family wanted and recast the role. Instead they made about a 1/3 of the movie one big cinematic Funeral for Chadwick Boseman that he didn’t want. His brother publicly said the role should be recast . They basically gentrified the Black panther movie by introducing another culture and having it take over the film. It’s almost like they are killing the franchise on purpose. I really believe that. Boseman said he wanted black panther to be like James Bond and continue. There have been about 9 James Bond’s. Every one is compared to the original Sean Connery . Connery has a legacy that grows with each new Bond. So killing off the character doesn’t honor Boseman , it literally cuts off his potential legacy. Very short sighted of Disney. Black people finally had a real long lasting , universally accepted superhero respected by the world and the people involved blew it ! If Super man , Batman , Spiderman and the Joker after Heath Ledger died , can be recast , so can black panther.

That is what I like about you. You are not talking about the Bad stuff, only but also about the good parts and what you trink is missing or when/where it went wrong. Thank you :)

Oh WOW!!!! Dude I fucking LOVE YOU. Not gonna lie, when I came across this, I was just like here we go another Wakanda Forever hate video. Then I listened to what you said and I SWEAR you Said literally every fucking thing I was thinking after seeing this movie. Thank you for this 👍👍👍👍

The cultural solution in Wakanda is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in both Atlantises in DC and Marvel movies is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Wonder Woman's Amazon Island is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Black Adam is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Avatar is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population Notice a trend?

9:10 I’m so glad I’m not the only one who felt that way, just let her go, the movie wouldn’t have happened, but it’s the same issue I have with No Way Home. The smart call would be is to just let them pass on.

Bro you look like Quentin Tarantino in his youth🤣 Good video tho!

Awww i love you Throrias. You are really entertaining xD

Thank you for this

Gary a.k.a. Nerdrotic has it right as to why they keep changing the characters so much, I think. He basically says that if they change enough about the characters that they're adapting, they don't have to pay royalties to the estates of the original creators of said characters. I find that to be HIGHLY plausible. And if that's the case, then all of their virtue signaling about "diversity and inclusion" is, surprise surprise, a fucking lie. They're not bold and brave social justice warriors battling against systemic racism and cultural bigotry. They're money-grubbing cheapskates that make every decision, down to the last detail, based on how they can make the most money while spending the least. There is no genuine political ideology in these people, nor is there any creative passion or artistic vision. Some of the actors might have some, maybe a director here or there, but they will always be limited in how much they can show it because the people who REALLY make the decisions are studio executives in expensive suits and stuffy board rooms who have never had to do a hard day's labor in their entire lives and could not give less of a fuck about the comic books and cartoons that comprised our childhoods. The only thing they care about is their bottom line and THAT is why they turned Namor into Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs. It wasn't random, but it wasn't about being woke either. It was about stiffing Namor's original creators out of royalty checks. I'm pretty much convinced of it at this point.

"Re--jigger"? Close, so very close!

That Ironheart costume is straight dumpster juice… AND THE ARMOR HAS BRAIDS!!! I’m DONE! 😂 It’s like when they put nipples on the Clooney Batman suit. Lol

Have to say I totally agree with you for giving the most accurate and best assessment of the movie that I've seen yet

You know, for all the things they changed about Namor, from the way he looks to his origins... They just had to keep his ankle wings. The one thing that was looked stupid is the one thing they had to keep. Why?

Yo Angela at being over 60 and still built like that.... i had a crush on her as a kid, she still gorgeous, and still one of my all time favorite female actresses

Great review, but my favorite part was the RU-vid rant at the end. I'm sure RU-vid will retaliate by de-boosting Thorias' content. That's how they play

The movie was beautiful, though I will agree that we should've had a new T'Challa and that Riri Williams shouldn't have been a main character.

The best review of BP2 I have seen.

5:20 do you want to retcon stuff, i thought you hated that?

The last time marvel used a movie as a backdoor pilot for another character was Ben Affleck Daredevil, and we all know how that turned out

Great review. Balanced. I enjoyed some parts of the film and was crazy turned off by a lot of other parts.

Thankfully, I was informed that, as a white person, I was literally banned from seeing this movie.

Always enjoy your reviews: in particular I appreciate how you give credit where credit is due and mention the good points, even if those points are drowning in a sea of troubles.