War Thunder Realistic: Fw 190 A-5 [Bruiser!] 

Hey guys, i have a great golden oldie for you today, much requested! The Fw 190 A-5, a true workhorse for the Luftwaffe, and considered by their pilots as reliable, well performing planes. In War Thunder It's quite unforgiving, but still good. Hope you enjoy, and do like, comment and Subscribe for more! Have a great day :)

Jengar, you missed the biggest problem of this plane, or at least you didn't quite understand it. At high speed, like you said it maintains roll and pitch authority quite well, but you didn't seem to mention yaw. It *has no freaking rudder* above 600kph, and begins locking at 500, to the point where it almost yaws the opposite direction at high speed. The instructor does a TERRIBLE job of compensating, which results in some weird high speed behavior and struggling to point the nose. 7:31 is a perfect example. As you make a small adjustment to the right, it yaws a tiny bit, then stops. No more yaw happens, but then you pull up and the plane suddenly matches it/hits your reticle. That's because you/the instructor can use roll angle and pitch (especially with takeoff flaps) to compensate for the lack of yaw. Then when you were lining up your shot, again you couldn't yaw. You pulled the reticle to the right, and in most planes, you'd apply some rudder and line up a perfect shot. But the FW has no rudder when it's going that fast. It is able to divert the nose a couple degrees, then hits a wall. So the instructor started to roll and hit the elevator to compensate (but didn't have quite enough pitch either), especially as you pulled hard right, but you were already losing your gun solution. By the time you got the nose where you wanted it, the P-51 was long gone. Any other decent BnZ plane, that would be an easy kill. With the 190, you essentially need to make movements like that using roll and pitch because of the dogshit rudder. (EDIT: Notice how much controllability improves at ~8:10, as your rudder control returns with the decrease in speed.) Here, you should have angled to the right and pulled up. However, that's not natural, and also *drastically* reduces your time on target, and because you need to use the keyboard, needs perfect timing to attain the right lead, and you only have that for a split second. You only have two vectors of control, instead of three, but the instructor acts like you still have all three. That is the problem with this plane. You just can't get guns on target at high speed, and it's infuriating. It's no coincidence that at ~500kph and below, your guns shredded anything in front of you. Those 4 20mm cannons with mineshells eat airframes for breakfast, but only if they actually hit their target. Go ahead, put this thing in a dive. As you approach 500kph, hit full rudder with Q or E, and take notice of how stiff it gets. Then keep doing this as you pass through 600, where it becomes incredibly difficult and you have to start using ailerons and elevator. As you hit 700, it becomes unusuable. You effectively have no rudder. The elevators are weaker than they were IRL, like you mentioned, and the rudder is just bullshit. Pilots, both German and test pilots with adversary planes, mention excellent control and light control forces at high speeds, especially when compared with the 109. They don't mention a weak or difficult rudder, but the 109 can kick the tail exponentially better at high speeds. This thing is a BnZ plane, but somehow doesn't have control at high speeds? I don't believe it.

One of the hardest planes to fly in WT imho

spitfire tried to headon me, spitfire is no more

Also top tip about the flaps. Don't deploy them above about 470km/h. Yes they may stay on but at that speed you'll start to find that the flaps divert airflow away from the elevators and you will actually turn worse than with flaps in. Also landing flaps rip at just above 300km/h IAS.

omg, finaly! My fav of the Focke Wulf tree

Awesome video and awesome plane!

"Another One!" Yayyyuhhh~ I always pre-check the 'like' button even before your vid' starts because i will forget when its finished, and I know ima enjoy your vid' anyways. Achtung Jengarian Canidate!

The biggest problem with the FW 190 A series FM currently in WT is instantaneous turn. This thing should be able to pull way more G than a BF109 at speeds in excess of 450 kph. It would bleed a lot of energy in a turn like this, but this was another reason why the 190 was often preferred to the 109. Its high speed handling made this plane very dangerous as long as the pilot didn‘t engage in sustained turns.

Sorry, Jengar, but I'm afraid you're mistaken when you said the FW 190 had good turning ability in real life. Well, it did, but only in a very specific envelope - that being high speeds. At low speeds it was as much of a brick as it is in game. When pilots said it had good maneuverability they were specifically talking about two things: 1. A great roll rate, which it has in game 2. Light and harmonized controls at high speeds. This is distinct from being a good low-speed turner. Having "light" control means that the pilot was able to maintain control surface authority at high speeds when the air flowing over the wing was enough to severely limit the amount of control surface deflection on other planes. The Bf 109 was a great example of this. It's not very well modeled in War Thunder but you can see this very clearly in IL-2. The 109 in IL-2 looses almost all elevator and aileron authority at high speeds, which limits its functional maximum speed to much below its true structural integrity limit. If you dive beyond a certain speed you have almost no control over your aircraft. The 190, however, is a complete different story. At high speeds, your ailerons and elevator remain very responsive. The reason why the 190 had light controls at high speeds and the 109 had heavy controls at high speeds was in the design of the elevator. The 190 has relatively small elevators for its size. Smaller elevators require less force to deflect than larger elevators. At slow speed, it isn't an issue for the pilot to apply this force to a large elevator. However, at high speeds, the air flowing over the ailerons or elevator means that a larger control surface requires much more force to deflect. (One of) The very things that made the 190 have such poor pitch authority at slow speed is what gave it great pitch authority at high speed. It was able to maintain its elevator authority at those speeds. The pilots describing the attributes of the 190 in WW2 had a different definition of "maneuverability" than people in War Thunder do (especially since they were limited to 6Gs whereas in War Thunder we can pull much more than that for extended periods of time). You will never see a pilot report describing the 190 as having a good turn rate/turn radius at low speed. There is no way an aircraft with such a high wingloading (the highest of any single-engined fighter in WW2 - higher than the P-47) would have good low-speed turning ability. The high wingloading of the FW 190 not only limits the amount of lift it has to convert into a turn, but it also means that it looses more speed in a turn than a lower-wingloading aircraft. This is reflected very well in-game. You can find historical documents online of tests that the Germans, British, US, and USSR did comparing turning performance of several planes including the FW 190. Here is just one, but there are many others. Report on Comparative Combat Evaluation of Focke-Wulf 190-A/4 Airplane: www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/ptr-1107.pdf Pay special attention to sections d, e, and f, and g, which talk about control at varying speeds. Here are some quotes from this document that I think sum them up and their fighting style beautifully: "the best solution in offense is for the F4U-1 and F6F-3 to get the FW-190 to close with them so that advantage can be taken of their superior maneuverability, provided, of course, that any initial advantage in altitude is not sacrificed merely for the sake of closing." "If attacked by the FW-190, the F4U-1 and F6F-3 can evade by the use of tight turns. When followed by the FW-190 the F4U and F6F-3 can evade by the use of tight loops. If the FW-190 attempts to follow the other airplanes in tight loops it stalls out." "In general, whenever the hit-and-run technique cannot be employed, the F4U and F6F should make every effort to close with the FW-190, in both offense and defence."

Exellent video gotta say: was about time, I had issues with the A-5 from some time

Now this plane is quite nice , especially in defensive flying

i saw the 190 thumb nail and was like Ayyy :D

Been really trying to get into the 190 lately, this really helps

The Fw 190A-8, or D-9 with that humongous V inline, are superior, but this model of the Walger still kicks arse

The destroyer of... Well basically anything that fucks up against it

fw190 struggles against p47s in terms of energy advantage, acceleration and rolling out of 50 cals is still a challenge because the thunderbolt can keep up in every way. Great video review on the fw190 anton and pointing out the stiff elevator (for climb rate) and the turn time definitely doesn't seem as realistic aand the lockup at high speeds really makes the top speed obsolete to boast about. (the i185 doesn't have lockup issues at high speed) One more important thing is to remember the role of the fw190 as an interceptor and to fly it as such, in which about every german fighters (even the bf109) is an bomber and fighter interceptor because they aren't as maneuverable as the spitfire and requires speed to gain separation after a pass. Fw190 excels in sim and arcade battles unfortunately, struggles alot in RB even to keep up against the perfomance of allies of the same and higher BR bracket.

I prefer the A8 instead of the A5 now. You face the same planes pretty much, and you get an air start. You still won’t be higher than the Spitfires and P47s but, at least you don’t have to side climb as long. The F8 seems like a better option also, but I love taking out the A5!

Great video! I consider Fw 190 Antons, to be the prettiest propeller planes ever (mainly because they don't have any air intakes excluding main one in the nose, aesthetically pleasing proportions, and radial engine). Unfortunately i can't enjoy playing them as i enjoy flying in planes like c.205 serie 3 or A7M2. It's because i have to spend a lot of time climbing to even have a chance engaging enemies like p 47, which is boring. It's also caused by the issue with rolling off the center of axis even at lower speeds (i tried it with different fuel loads but that doesn't fix this). This very very often makes attacking enemies that evades you, impossible because the nose points in different direction than where you try to aim when you roll towards towards enemy, and the turn. It seems like you don't experience the issue with your nose not aiming where you aim in medium speeds, and i'm confused a bit. I'll try flying in Fw again.

May I recommend a video about either the F-86F-30 or the MiG-17?

it got that *petite* elevator

F O K K E H W U L F

Much better now

Hey Jengar, I find since patch 1.77 its flight model has improved ..do you agree?

Haha that was funny how that spitfire just kinda landed

Damn, I wish I could fly as well as you can...

I could never get the fw line to work for me. Compared to the 109s, this is pretty difficult to fly.

My favourite plane :D

Love that skin, is it a reward skin or custom? (if so link pls)

Although I'm not a big fan of the FW190A's, I can't really argue with the guns.

I love the 190, although I have suspected WT has tweeted down certain aspects of the plane, the firepower is ruthless!

What should I get the fw 190 series' of Bf 109 series'

But how do you deal withe the P47's group of space ships? I have noticed a huge influx of P 47 seal clubbing lately.

Nice video. And nice patience too :-) Usuali I do not have nerves for "new" FM of Fw but when I do it is fun and rewarding. Why did they nerf all Fw line I still can't understan? To OP???

Unfortunately the aircraft was great, but war thunder gives it an imaginary flight model. The A-1 through the A-5 all had climb rates of over 18 m/s, but in war thunder they dont come close to that. Also, test flights showed control stiffening was not significant at high speeds, but in war thunder it compresses significantly.

This plane is a god of heads on's

for the turn with the help of elevator is abit stiff and it cannot turn tightly

try fw190 F8 without payload, is pretty nice.

They really need to fix the elevator and the rudder already. Maybe give it an airspawn, too. A plane praised by both Allied and Axis pilots for its control harmony irl can barely dogfight in this game. -_-

Rezistor87 here, hello :)

What is the difference between this and an A4?

Love the massive firepower! 4 x 20 mm can rip off anything, even those OP russian bombers!

I just unlocked the A-5 and, at least stock, it feels terrible to fly to me. I unlocked it using the D-13 so of course it'll likely perform a bit worse, but I didn't expect it to be THIS much worse than what I was used to.

I used to be really good with this plane, but I can't do good in it anymore. I don't know what happened.

Is difficult because you have to be pacient. And some people in WT don't like that

All you haters out there talking down about the a 5 I play on PS4 and the thing is bad ass I do just fine with it

The A4 is much better in Air RB. It has a 4.3 and it differs with almost nothing

Btw jengar where you from I'm from Finland

Why was there a F4F in the beginning of the match?

6 Th like

FIRST!!!!!

Whats up with German elevators being so horrible, literally the do 271 turns better XD

no . 4 era combat is aerio. Nerf max . Aerio death.

A TRUE Bruiser! The German answer to the US Muscle Car!!

Is this a real plane in real life or made up plane ?

The Fw190 could out turn the Bf109 at any speed :,(

Jengar next time dont crash Into the ground when you try to chase me while i am in a spitfire

"DECENT MANEUVERABILITY" on a 190?! You what mate?! (BTW I am not annoyed, triggered, or salty, at least yet, I am just sorta of joking, but now I will get serious on the following) I spaded this overweight obese deathtrap bick, and this planes struggles SO much with BOTH the BR compression, AND the undertiered USA and UK fighters. BTW, before you call me a wheraboo, I am more of a "russian bias" guy, BUT, since the 50 cals buff I had to defect to NATO, and join the club fest with P-51's, F4U's, F6F's, P-47's, F-82, and EVEN P-38s! (But P-38's I don't have enough eperience with, they are strong planes from what I saw, but I can't yet say for sure if they are OP or not) And I also got some decent feel for the spitfires, and up to the F. Mk 9, they are hands down OP, on top of that, their performance continues to increase significantly at tier 4, with little draw backs, while the Yak's, for example have worse turn when equiped with VK-107 engines, than similar ones equiped with VK-105PF. Also note that even with this improvement in engine, the 5.7 Yak 9UT is worse in the vertical than the griffons. And I can say for certain that 50 cals are superior to NEARLY ALL the 20mm cannons, dealing similar damage to 3-4 cannons if the plane has at least 6x 50 cals, that on top of having more ammo per gun, AND being BY FAR easier to aim. And guess what? Nearly every USA fighter has 6x M2 50 cals, with exceptions being the first bearcat, with only 4, and lower tier ones, but most of those that have only 4x 50 cals have other armament in the form of cannon(S). Not to mention how STUPIDLY WELL P-51's, P-47's, F6F's, and F4U's are turning right now. This leaves very little weaknesses to be exploited, so they either need to be upped by BR, or to have their turns tweaked TO BE WORSE, don't confuse worse with better, Gaijilla, PLEASE

That plane is bad