It's even sadder when you realize that the original lyrics were: "Ahoy, ahoy, sweet Daughter of the Seas. Ahoy this child be mine. The Admiral's girl, his whole entire world, for as long as stars do shine." And it was a song Daelin sang to her regularly when she was a little girl -try not to cry -cry a lot
Ghosts of the past. He's the symbolic representation of the regret around her decision to side with the horde over her family. I'd guess he has been haunting her for a very long time, we as the players only seeing him now. He disappears when she finally accepts that she was wrong, that she should have sided with family, thus getting the proverbial ghost off of her back. I think this might be one of Blizzards best. These artistic stories are absolutely incredible, again and again
She wasn't wrong to stop a genocidal maniac, even if it was her own father. She is however feeling guild and regret for the decision. She wanted peace and made an ultimate sacrifice that has been forsaken by the horde so many times over, now she is seeing things from her father's perspective.
Patrick: You're kind of dense, they aren't making her evil, JFC things aren't black and white. Vengeful though, probably. She's tired of the death and destruction continually wrought by the horde.
Or also literally could be his ghost guiding her to his ship, considering we know tidesages can do this and Jaina's understanding of magic (deeper than most mortal mages according to books)/ connection to tidesages (being Kul Tiran "royalty"); it could quite literally have been him, or an echo (as mages are capable of creating) of his memory that trailed her back to the ship.
Jake Dugan Certainly possible that hes there, but I doubt it. Too on the nose. She also wouldn't need his ghost to guide her, as she was present during the assault
The ferry-man was, at least as far as I can tell, a manifestation of her guilt taking the form of her deceased father, Daelin Proudmoore, whose death she was partly responsible for. The song depicts the events of Theramore back shortly after the Third War, where Admiral Daelin Proudmoore arrives on Kalimdor in search of his daughter. "When she did flee across the ocean deep, the admiral followed west. What else but sail to save a daughter's life, and pray she still drew breath? But there he found on the Western shores, Enemies 'on the rise!" Upon reaching the shores of Kalimdor he found, to his horror, the remnants of the Horde in the process of building a home for themselves in Kalimdor, and worse yet; his own daughter at peace with those savages that took the life of his eldest son along with countless human soldiers and civilians during the events of the First and Seconds Wars, the latter of which Admiral Daelin Proudmoore was one of the main Alliance leaders. “Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you.” - Daelin to Thrall. Daelin decides to wage a war against the orcs, against his daughter's wishes and this eventually leads to his death as the Horde retaliates with the aid of Rexxar, invades Theramore and kills him. Jaina, confused and wrought with conflict decides to step aside - she doesn't help the Horde kill her father, but she doesn't try to save him either. "But when he faced those savage foes His daughter stood aside. Buried deep beneath the waves, Betrayed by family. To his nation, with his last breath, cried, "Beware the Daughter of the Sea."" It's been a long time since those events and Jaina has endured a lot of hardship at the hands of the Horde she decided to protect, against her own flesh and blood. She has changed and now harbours a hatred for the Horde that shines as bright as the one of her father, made even more clear by her; "I'm listening now... father." upon which the specter fades, which I think symbolises that she is on the path to redeem herself to her father and follow his convictions in fighting the Horde. In her absence, the people of Kul Tiras have made this sea-shanty in lament of her actions of their nation's pride, the Daughter of the Sea. Jaina.
So this is an actual song that was datamined in BFA, it's a "folk" song the actual people of Kul'Tiras sing about Jaina. So I don't think all three of the "Warbringers" will have music, like a full on lyrical song, for them. But who knows, maybe Sylvanas' will since she's known for her voice? But that's just speculation. As for the hooded figure, it's all speculation. I believe it's all just a metaphor, of the haunting guilt of not being at her father's side and this whole journey in the sea is her trying to rectify that. That ship she rises from the bottom of the sea, is her father's ship, from when he went to look for Jaina in Kalimdor after the Third War.
Guys at Blizzard posted on twitter a screenshot of lyrics of another song, in Quel'dorei language... So... With Sylvanas being, also, a known singer ( lament of the highborne ), it's a 50% chance of them all being songs. BTW : The ship is tangible, not a metaphor.
If you look carefully while she's raising her father's ship, the hooded boatsman is not there - she's the only one in the boat. She's either imagining her daddy's spirit with her, or she's literally haunted by the spirits of her father and the men who fought and died at his side.
Yes, that ghost guiding the boat was Daelin Proudmore, but he never existed in this clip (theory of mine): he were just a ghost of past following Jaina to the wrecks of the ship. The one person alive in this clip is Jaina and she navigated alone visualizing her father with her.
The ferryman was the apparition of her late father, Admiral Proudmore characterized with the anchor emblem. We interpret it as he leads Jaina to the site where his ship sank. The song is the shanty Kul Tirans created to warn of her great betrayal to the admiral of Theramore. But the ending makes it seem she will live up to the warnings. Raising her father's galley and single-handedly navigate it (possibly) to Kul Tiras. Will she subjugate her people since she will never win their forgiveness?
cool theory though as a beta player i can confirm this is not the way she gets back to kul tiras or they way she goes about reconnecting with her people.
I don't think they'll forgive her it'll be like the truce Genn and Sylvanas briefly held at the shore offensive at the start of Legion. Kul'tiras will just realize they are fucked if they don't join the alliance because the Zandalar/Horde would easily steamroll them.
I disliked this video because I did expect that when u have a Warcraft react channel u should at least know the lore of warcraft! U had no idea that this video was about Jainas father who was betrayed by Jaina herself in the Warcraft 3 games! This just shows that u are just a girl tit streamer...
Tobias Trust Sweetie take in consideration this was back in Warcraft III in the bonus campaign. Many do not know about this, I played Warcraft III at age of seven? And when I did the bonus campaign again I did remember everything but Daelin's death and Jaina's treason, you'll see that many people didn't even play Warcraft 3 or remember Jainas father
Tobias Trust "Tit streamer" lol she's far from it Trade chat is so much worse who fakes reactions. Like the battle for azeroth cinematic. Calm down dude i remember the lore about this and its all in Warcraft III But i understand that not everyone played those games. She may have started playing and knowing about the lore in world of warcraft.
The shorts for Legion got me so hyped, and tbh, i was a little down on BFA, but I'll be damned if sea shanties don't put my hype level back up to at least a 9/10.
There is also the possibility they are hallucinations sent by N'Zoth to manipulate her. Or they just represent her internal struggles. We will see in BFA
Lens Hunter I’d agree with all but the ferryman. The necklace was real enough for Jaina to interact with it and the ferryman was real enough to hold and wear it. I think Daelin might have just been an ordinary ghost haunting the ruins of Theramore.
Kevin Wheeler it was her father. He reacted when she said "I'm listening... Father." The necklace was his, a symbol of his family, which also adorns the ship she raised. Jaina has basically taken her father's place AND his attitude toward the Horde. She's about to go full on wrecking ball against them.
Morgoth Bauglir Ah please begone with your N'Zoth possibilities... It's just a metaphor-heavy vid and Jaina's basically just really really mad at the Horde
i cried, poor jaina.. she only wanted to study... her people dead, betrayed by horde when she even left them to kill her father because she didnt want a war...
They first did these animated shorts with The Burdens of Shaohao for Mists of Pandaria. But yes, the Lords of War shorts were the best part of Warlords of Draenor;. Maraad's story was the best. It literally made me roll a draenei paladin, and I'm a Horde player.
The ferry pusher was the spirit of Jaina's father, and the ship she rose was her father's ship. Jaina's story has had this re-occuring theme of people not "listening" and it's shaping up to something really cool.
The ghost of Jaina´s father is a metaphore for all her regrets and guilt. You only see it when you are close to Jaina, in the scene were she raises the ship and the view is far behind her you can´t see him on the boat and once the shot changes back to her you can see him fade in again.
Daaaamn you should have played with all the prev Warcrafts to know the story and stuffs! (Maybe do it with cheatcodes, just for the sake of story. There is a lot of things like this in WoW also, it's worth the time!) The amount of goosebumps I got from this short video is ridiculous. Warcraft deserves its own series or a series of movies! (A good one, with the actual story and proper technologies for that to have nice visuals, like the blizzard cinematics or even these pre-exp hype up videos)
Definitely watch it again with the subtitles turned on. As a person with hearing loss, it's something I often do anyhow. I'd say the oarsman is her own manifestation of the guilt she has over what happened with her father. The raising of her father's ship and taking it as her own smacks as the beginning of her trying to right the wrongs she's committed. It's her own way of putting her guilt to rest over the death of her father. Between that guilt, and her changing opinion of the Horde, I'd say we're in for some interesting times ahead. :)
There is so much symbolism in this video it's insane. The first off the necklace's symbol is the symbol of Kul'tiras and Theramore. The sword in the ground was jaina's sword that she thrust into the ground after the bombing of theramore. The figure guiding the boat is a duel representation of the ferryman from Greek mythology notated by the payment given in return for transport through, in this case jaina's memories of the dead, and her acceptance of her father's point of view from warcraft 3 that there can never be peace between the horde and the alliance. The ship that she raised was her father's Galleon. And last but not least the actual song, is a sea shanty from Kul'tiras that starts off with her singing in reminiscences of her betrayal to her father and people the middle refrain with many voices is the perspective of the Kul'tirans and the last phrases are basically jaina adding in her own verse rephrasing the words "beware the daughter of the sea" from a warning to the people of Kul'tiras of her betrayal, into a warning to the horde stating that she's changed her mind about peace and she's coming to destroy them. I LOVE this video.
Aww.... Hazel, I just saw at the emotion building up in your eyes. This animated short was a powerful one. Everyone already loves Jaina and have a connection to her. However this little video brings MORE of a connection to her. As with everyone else, I hope that Jaina really does start to push things to the brink. Meaning I hope she does start to “bring the pain”. For what she’s gone through, it’s DEFINITELY necessary.
I have watched the Warbringers Janina video a number of times. I was so charged up watching this, it brought pride to me playing alliance. Probably like the horde player might have felt watching Sylvanas in the Battle for Azeroth trailer. Finally I see someone on the alliance side who has a good chance of kicking Sylvanas's ass all the way back to Orgrimmar. You can see it in Jaina's eyes at the end.
the aspiration represents the ferryman the one who guides the souls to the afterworld if you noticed she gives him the chain that represents theramore symbolizing the price that was must be paid or you could argue that the price that was paid. in the end it is the ghost for father that's been haunting her for so long but when he disappears it shows that she is no longer haunted and finally believes him and understands
Her Ghost Dad was also a 'stand in' for Charon, the Greek myth guy, that takes you across the River Styx (the river of the dead), into the land of the dead - you have to pay him to do this -- notice Jaina pays her Ghost dad with the necklace before getting on his wee boat. So there is THAT on top of the whole Ghost Dad of Guilt thing. The water around Thereamore also has dead floating in it, very reminisant of the River of the Dead as well. And Ghost Dad uses a stick to push/drive the boat just like Charon always does.
I am so so about BFA as far as the game but I am super looking forward to it because of lore and character development. I hope they don't disappoint with Sylvanas like they did in Legion.
Today in the beta, I was playing in one of the Zandar quests (as Alliance) and there was a woman standing at the bow of the ferry boat "singing" this as she cast a spell to speed you from one area to another. (By singing, I mean it was text, not voice). The oarsmen mostly guided with their oars while she sped us along. Had I not watched this video, I would have completely missed it. She wore the same type of robe (in tatters as well) as Jaina's father in this video. He sat on the stern, though, but still... About Jaina...I think she had to find the anchor to give to her father so that he could guide her to the ship. One of those mortal things to pass on types of scenarios. I wonder how long he's haunted her...and if she has always been able to see the dead.
So I'm not an Alliance player. When Sylvanas screams "For the HORDE!!!" I get chills in the best sort of way. This...gave me chills too! I don't know if its I'm excited and going to have to roll and Alliance alt, or if I'm trembling in anticipation of what Jaina will be bringing our way for what we did....
Blizzard has spent a lot of thought over the details. For example, the figurehead of the raised ship has a depiction of the anchor necklace with the pendant upside down. Jaina the betrayer? All in all, this is top drawer entertainment, masterfully executed. The Blizzard team should be very proud of this one!
The ferryman is a reference to Charon in Greek mythology. He ferried the souls of the dead across the river Styx to the land of the dead. I think it's symbolizing the memory/ghost of her father guiding her to a part of her she buried when she betrayed him. So this journey is both real and symbolic.
Not certain if this had been brought up previously. Her father rowing the boat is also a reference to Charon the ferryman, who took the souls of of the fallen across the river Styx to Hades for a fee. It's why to this day, some people will place coins over the eyes of, or into the mouths of the departed. She paid with the necklace...
The cloaked man on the boat is representing the ferry man that brings the dead to hades the pendant of theramore/kul’tiras was the payment due but he was also a representation of her father. This is all a representation of her grief anger and remorse
I have watched it no less than 10 times since it was uploaded yesterday. I am so excited to see Jaina back in the fray. Note: The voice actress who is singing and also does Jaina's voice in WoW is Laura Bailey. I really wish Blizzard would give more credit to the voice actors.
This is written as an old sea chantey, which is the way stories were kept alive in old sailing communities, which is soooo fitting for Jaina's story. I agree with Phillyourthirst in that I don't think they will all be musical for that reason, either.
The way I took it was the necklace that she removed from the sword at the beginning was a token. She payed the token to the ferryman to cross the "River of Styx." But that necklace meant so much more to her. It was a symbol of everything she had lost by trying to reach peace with the Horde. All of the blood that had been spilled. All of her people who had died. Her own father, and Theramore. She had tried everything she could think of, and still saw that the Alliance was making all the same mistakes she had in the past. So, she paid the ferryman (her father) the token (the necklace) to cross the River of Styx (the ocean) to go to the Underworld (home) and be judged for her past. Most likely to die (going to Hades) for her betrayal. But to either way, atone for her misdeeds.
This hit home really hard for me as someone who played wc3 at release. Janna has finally come to see eye to eye with her father after fighting him on his decision to attack the horde! Seeing her in this moment of haunted desperation, seeing it turn to power and scorn while sailing her fathers old ship, Powerful stuff!
Jaina sees the ghost of her past. Of her past mistake in Warcraft 3 when she betrayed her father and her nation to protect the peace between the Horde and the Alliance in Kalimdor. This song is a Kul Tiras song that they made in memory of Jaina's betrayal. The fact that there is a song for Jaina makes sense because of the culture of the Kul Tiran but I don't think we will get that for Sylvanas and Azshara.
You are a great streamer and youtuber Hazel ! Your smile, positive energy, knowledge about our and your interests. Keep going , u gonna be huge in the ranks of wow youtubers !
Every time I watch it I get chills! Home run, Blizz! Did anyone catch what the ghost skull said when it flew past Jaina? I thought it said ‘storm’ and then the storm kicked up, but not sure.
Hi Hazelnuttygames :) This song is referencing Warcraft 3 -- when Admiral Daelin Proudmoore, Jaina's father arrived in Kalimdor and attacked the new Horde under the leadership of Thrall. Admiral Daelin Proudmoore didn't understand that this was a new Horde and not the old Horde of Warcraft 1 and Warcraft 2; he was a salty old sailor and a veteran of the 2nd War, and the Leader of the Nation of Kul Tiras, and Grand Admiral of the Alliance Navy in the 2nd War. From Wiki: "Daelin returned to Kul Tiras and, taking a large part of the Kul Tiras fleet, sailed across the Great Sea to Kalimdor in order to search for his daughter and the survivors that fled there after Lordaeron fell to the Scourge. Though Jaina Proudmoore had managed to earn Warchief Thrall's trust, Daelin felt that he had to crush the Horde before they gained a foothold in Kalimdor. While Proudmoore headed towards land, he ordered Lieutenant Alverold to take an exploratory fleet and scout out the coasts of Kalimdor, while Lieutenant Benedict was to wait and lead a second wave to Durotar.[21] He began raiding the coast and assaulting orcish settlements, but when they began to fight back he withdrew and retreated to the island citadel of Theramore. When he arrived, he was overjoyed to find Jaina alive, but found her keeping some strange company: Rexxar the Mok'Nathal, Rokhan the Darkspear troll shadow hunter and Chen Stormstout the pandaren brewmaster, all of them allies of the Horde that were with her. Daelin immediately demanded that they all be arrested, but Jaina retreated and helped Rexxar and his friends escape. Unwilling to allow Jaina any explanation, Daelin usurped control over Theramore and used it as the staging ground for his newest campaign to have his vengeance on the orcs, but he was beaten back by their numerous allies, and was forced to retreat back to Theramore where he established a naval blockade around Theramore Isle to prevent the Horde from launching a counterattack. What the Admiral didn't count on, though, was his own daughter siding against him. Jaina realized that her father was trapped in the past and that his vendetta against the orcs would only lead to more needless death and destruction for both sides, and aided Rexxar in destroying the ships. The Horde then laid siege to Theramore and battled their way to his keep, where Rexxar squared off against the Admiral himself. Thrall tried to reason with Admiral Proudmoore, telling him that the Horde was no longer the same enemy he had fought so many years ago, but Daelin refused to believe that the orcs could ever change and launched himself into battle. After an arduous fight, Daelin Proudmoore, victim of his own hatred, was slain in battle. With his death, the battle ceased. Jaina knelt at the body of her prideful father and mournfully asked why he didn't listen. Rexxar told Jaina to remember her father for the proud warrior he was. When the people of Kul Tiras learned of their Lord Admiral's death, they cried out for vengeance, but the other nations of the Alliance were not interested. Ordeals caused by the plague in Lordaeron were more immediate concerns, and the other allied leaders also had little pity for Daelin's own aggressive actions. The people of Kul Tiras furiously isolated themselves from the rest of the Alliance, but were not angry with all of the Alliance leaders. They instead nursed a bitter hatred only towards Jaina for betraying her family.[22] Daelin's wife Katherine would succeed him as Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras."
Actually by world of warcraft standards, there are many ways for ghost to be, wraiths, banshees and such. It doesn't necessarly have to be due to necromancy. But can be due to a traumatic experience that actually stopped the spirit from finding peace, which is why they are refered to as wraiths. His father was likely there and not a part of her own imagination, and so were the bodies and ships. And it was only after she came to terms with her causing the death of her father and realising that he was right, that he managed to find peace and disapear. Her being ready to follow in his steps as he always wished for. As of how the other ghost, bodies and ships are still around after so many years. You could likely compare that area to the dead marshes in the lord of the rings. Great reaction as always !
I have already seen it enough to now know the lyrics and I must say it explains a lot as to how Kulturians view Jaina and how she feels in this moment of WOW history. I too want to hear more songs as this one was epic!
The ghostly figure was a manifestation of her guilt in form of her father. She feels geuilty because she let him die to bring peace just to get betrayed by the Horde years later.
Look at the greek mythology on the Ferryman of the Dead. The dead had to pay a toll to the ferryman to gain passage to the after life. The price Jaina had to pay to realize the truth of her actions was Theramore. The necklace that she handed was the symbol of Theramore.
I think I’ve watched the animated short more than a dozen times and It hits me each and every time. Her character arc and growth all the way from Warcraft 3 has been quite a journey. She finally feels like she is “at peace” and “grown up” Man, I feel sorry for Rexxar in BFA. I get the feeling that he is going to eat a Glacial Spike to the face.
The music and the feelings of sorrow, regret, isolation and aftermath of war makes me think of the Outlander TV series for some reason. Claire from Outlander and Jaina from Warcraft both had to make huge decisions and the worst possible outcome was the result for both. Both toured an old battlefield alone that they survived.
Haunting and symbolic. I look bed how they portrayed Daelin as Charon who ferried the dead to their destination from Greek mythology. But Jaina is not dead, she is instead ferried through her decisions and her past which alienated her from her people and her family. When the ferry stops, she brings up a GIANT boat and tells her father she will more or less correct her past mistakes about the Horde. I can't help but feel that in her last verse, she is looking right at the current Warcheif and telling her: "I am coming for you...run."
I thought the veiled figure on the boat was more ferryman of Hades than grim reaper. Even the offer of payment (thought a necklace rather than a coin) was reminiscent of crossing the Styx.
Enjoyed your reaction so much. This song about my favorite character give me everytime goosebumps. Can't wait for the song about Queen Azshara. Sylvanas who...? :D
The ghostly figure I believe begins as a reference to Charon, the ferryman of the underworld in Roman mythology. Her journey here very much parallels a descent through the underworld. The Romans burned their dead if wealthy/buried if poor with a coin in their mouth so they have a token to pay the Charon for him to row you across the river Styx and Archeron where at the end you are judged and allowed entrance into Elysium or sent to a version of Hell. If you died without this coin in your mouth you would be forever stuck on the banks of the river in a place similar to Purgatory wailing and screaming along the banks at those who passed by. Jaina paid the ferryman with the necklace of Theramore which for me symbolizes her paying with the lives of her father & people (those lost when the mana bomb was dropped on Theramore). Although she doesn't make it all the way through the various parts of the underworld, you see her pass along the banks of the "river" in this case the ocean made to look like a river flanked by the wreckage and the souls of the damned (I believe those flying skulls symbolize a few of her betrayed people wailing at her in torment as she passes them along her journey). I loved that at a certain part, the ferryman morphs into her father's ghost. Jaina is haunted by the ghost of her father and her decision to not listen to him about the Horde which led to his demise. When she reconciles with her father's ghost that he was right about the Horde, he fades out, no longer haunting her and she can go about her refocused purpose of acting out vengeance upon the horde in the name of her father and her people.
Loved this reaction! Most people that react only care about the visuals and don't really listen to the lyrics and talk over it about how "cool and scary" it looks.
Wc3 was what got me into the lore of Warcraft and...the story with Jaina is tragic. She sacrificed so much for her ideal of peace, including as the song said standing aside so the Horde could take out her father. Then losing so much more years later as Garrosh bombs her home...I main a Horde and at that point I nearly faction changed.
This is literally the only reaction video I find acceptable to watch. I find reaction videos detestable and cash grabby, but this once! Just this once! I think its acceptable. Carry on, Hazelnutty!
Hazel... I took the guy in the boat as like he was Charon, ferryman of the River Styx, and Jaina was going into the underworld to speak to her father... I could be wrong but with the lyrics and the visuals that is my guess
There are also similar animated shorts for panda and legion. Just so you know because it looked like you’re thinking those exist only for WoD and BfA :)
