Warhammer 2 Damage Types and Resistances Explained 

Well, he at least can refer to the video now, instead of directly explaining

i cant even watch the streams anymore, the channel is no longer for experienced players.

@@apollow_g1025 Oh no! The game has players who don't know every single detail! Boo hoo...

@@sceligator 🤣

Same, I can already tell it's going to happen.

Yeah figured after how many times he's answered how fire and magic damage works he'd make one of these.

ill be honest, have hundreds of hours in this game and still thought banner of eternal flame is good because surely it bypasses armor or something .... seems i was wrong all along and should only equip it vs undead or trees.

@@kaik.9497 As long as the unit you are attacking doesn't have fire resist, the banner is still valuable as it also adds base weapon damage. It just isn't an "all powerful" banner.

@@kaik.9497 Most units with regen also have a fire weakness built into the trait, such as trolls/troll hags

@@foxx1111 Honestly, I hope not, the multiplayer scene is so toxic, and even playing against people you know, people aren't going to be happy unless Legend goes full tilt, so I really hope he doesn't.

It's very helpful for me too even though I'm very used to games with mechanics like this. The game is not very good at explaining any of this.

Stop lying. You don't have any friends.

@@Arkssa i’m surprised a game with as many features as this game doesn’t have some sort of online guide so you don’t have to figure it all out yourself

I personally would recommend them the whole channel, a whole of Legend's videos have useful insight on the game and guidelines on how to optimize strategies explained in simple and fun ways. I always check them when starting to play a new faction

Agreed

CA: This video would have been super helpful while we trying to balance the game XD

Charge bonus is actually explained in the tooltip if you hover over it in-game - it's applied to Melee Attack and Melee Damage when the unit's charging. if you hover over a unit in-battle it will say whether it's Charging (gets the bonus) or In Melee (doesn't get the bonus)

@@Mythralblade04 *Squeaky viewer voice* But is the bonus melee damage AP or Normal, or keeping the ratio of the normal damage? And is it physical or magical if the unit has magic damageeee"

@@DIEGhostfish lol

@@Mythralblade04 Thank you for the reply :) I was just joking tho.

He did forget explosion damage tho....and area damage and how it’s divided and applied.

Are you sure that spell resistance is not a thing in addition of the other resistances? Because that would mean all magic attacks have a lot less resistance, that would be weird ^^' Like the frost phoenix bypass physical resistance, is not fire, nor missile, if they get rid of magic resistance he would always deal 100% of his damage minus armour, that's very strong....

From what I understand they are removing magic resist completely. Magic attack only bypass physical resistances.

From what I understand they are removing magic resist completely. Magic attack only bypass physical resistances.

Is this true? I just post a few minutes ago how I wanted this!

@@PatrickOMulligan It has been confirmed by CA yes.

Agreed!

Remember, browser tab mute not internal youtube mute.

In Polish it's pretty confusing, because it translates into magical protection wheras magic resist translates into magic immunity

In Russia it was translated into “save throw” so I was thinking, that this is just help you when you retreat

Are you high? 😂 it’s sauvegarde de quartier so whatever nonsense you pulled out of your ass can go right back inside

@@denistannenberg It's similar in German, you could basically translate it to "rescue spell" so I thought spell=magic at first and got so confused.

@@mikecarter4082 PTDR t'as pas le jeu de quoi tu parles?

New Legendary Lord Idea. The more money you have, the more Ward Save that army has.

I came looking in the comments for that misspelling comment, but I actually only noticed it at 25:30. Interesting how the brain can filter in correct information even when what the eyes are presented with is somewhat distorted

@@MrJinglejanglejingle Gelts new lord ability

Let’s all love Lain.

Yes same with all damage types

I think it also applys a Leadership debuff.

@@DerOverlord1111 it depends on the units. Most fire damage units don't have that leadership debuff

exactly my thoughts, why even use fire at all.

@@jebeer When dealing with undead, treefolk, and regenerating units, since they all have fire weaknesses. Also some perks, spells and items may reduce fire Resistance or even incur fire weaknesses. Vambraces of the sun + banner of eternal flame on Tombies will massively increase your damage output.

saving your disaster spelling.

I dont think any of this is really under the hood, except maybe exactly how armor works. Its not always obvious though, and depends on the extent you read tooltips and other in game supplements. For instance if you read a spell tooptip some are effective against armor and some are not, so the implication armor effects magic is pretty strong, and also armor tooltip says it reduces all non armor piercing damage.

@@lordchaos7770 That's fair. I had a pretty good grasp on how the various resistances worked but had no idea in what order the calculations happened. Seeing this really reinforced how little one needs to worry about armor for instance, provided you have high resistances already.

Except he's been doing these for years now :P

Zerkovich can stick to pointless 1v1 unit duels, because that's how actual battles are fought - a series of 1 on 1s.

@@Meyna86 it's not pointless at all, though? It's a direct comparison. Sure you'll have to apply battle situations to your decision making, the information provided is still helpful.

Calling them midgets would not only get you into a book but into entire library xD

Guess legend’s gonna have to redo the video 🤷

Maybe that's just how australians spell "phiysikal".

I was mostly just impressed with the commitment of repeating the typo for both entries.

Yup!

I believe it means that units in the spell will get damaged no matter what (unless they resist it), but with spells like flame storm, an individual unit only gets damaged when it is actually in the spell.

For spells it just means it's not a vortex or projectile. It affects whatever is in range automatically.

Direct damage, you can think of it as the hitscan system in a first person shooter game. If you click and there are enemies in the crosshair you will damage them. And honestly, a video that goes through every spell against units and heroes/lords, I would fund that. As many hours as it takes, I want those results videod and archived forever.

@@MarcosAlfredo7 Also ignores armor.

Thx for answers. I checked all direct damage spells: "spirit leech", "fate of Bjuna", "final transmutation", "Melkoth's mystifying miasma", "traitor kin", "Arcane Unforging" etc. And none of them specify type of damage. I have questions CA

unless they don't XD

*most missiles

Shield only effects on arrows. right?

Shield are more complicated. They apply against some projectiles, not all. And they only apply sith facing. And then they treat the missiles as a miss. So shields are more akin to missile defense (like melee attack/defense)

it's a percentage chance that the missile will miss if the shield is facing the shooter. How much is the percentage is written in the tooltip.

@@meisterdra They affect small arms (missiles and guns). They do not affect artillery or spells.

@@AshenVictor i know that but they are so many difrent shilds

"each point of armor above 100 is less useful than the one before it" Actually it's the opposite, mathematicaly each point of armor is more powerful than the last, because it doesn't only improve the minimum damage reduction but also the chances of reducing 100% of damage (for example 130 armor : roll between 65 and 130, each number above 100 is 100%). Going from 98% to 99% average damage reduction double your effectif hp. Of course it's only about base damage, high armor isn't that useful because armor-piercing exists but that's another matter.

@@ludovicartu4239 Heh, you basically gave up your point at the end. Again, armor piercing damage exists. You're not cutting damage from 2% to 1% When you go from an average block of 98% to 99%. You are moving closer and closer to an asymptote of blocking the *non-AP* damage, but that's typically only 70% of the damage or so even for a non-AP unit. TL;DR Adding armor above 150 armor or so, even in a good situation, is taking you from blocking something like 68% of damage to something like 68.5%. It's a garbage bonus.

@@doktarr I stand by the fact that each point of armor is more powerful than the last, even with ap taken into account its still true.

@@ludovicartu4239 It's absolutely not true. You can continue to "stand by" it, but it's clearly wrong. Just run the numbers. You get more relative benefit by going from 90 to 100 than you do by going from 190 to 200. It's not *remotely* close. Here's a simple example. Say you're going up against a unit that does 35% AP (the most common ratio in the game). For simplicity imagine it does 100 non-AP and 54 AP. Say you go from 90 Armor to 100 Armor. You go from blocking 67.5 on average to blocking 75 on average. Overall damage goes from 86.5 to 79. Absolute reduction of 7.5, relative reduction of 8.7%. Now, say you go from 190 Armor to 200 Armor. You go from blocking 99.875 on average to blocking all 100 non-AP. Overall damage goes from 54.125 to 54. Absolute reduction of .125, relative reduction of .23%. Again, it's not remotely close. Even if you look at attacks from the units with the lowest AP ratios in the game (poison wolf rats, Ungor raider arrows, etc), there's still diminishing returns on additional armor well before 200.

@@doktarr My bad and thanks. My idea was that if you only take into account base damage, a unit with 10 000 hp and 37.5% DR needs 16 000 damage to be put down, one with 45% needs 18 182 ; one with 87.5% needs 80 000 damage, 90% needs 100 000. Of course in reality no attack does less than 1 damage + very few models have that many hp anyway, so sometimes reducing damage by 90% still doesn't prevent one shot kill. I admit I didn't realise how some ap damage makes armor have diminishing returns a lot sooner because the ap damages become the only ones relevant fairly quickly. So against the attack in your example, a unit with 200 armor need 1.5 more attacks to be killed than the 100 armor, who need twice the attacks than one with 0 armor. It seems to become degressive to a point over 100 armor only for attacks with less than 25% ap.

He does, people ask 25.000 times during stream so now he can just refer to this

True, unless you have a fire wizard in your army which does a map-wide -20% fr debuff for a single skill point (this effect doesn't stack however).

Actually, I don't think it's armor-piercing damage that is too prevalent, it's that exhaustion reduces armor making armor itself too weak. It's fine if a unit like the steam tank with an insane amount of armor is countered by armor-piercing damage. But what's not fine is that when it gets exhausted non-armor piercing damage also starts to really hurt it. (Why doesn't the tank have perfect vigor anyway lmao?) Well... Maybe high armor-piercing values are a bit too common.

@@TheGlenn8 I was not aware of this game mechanic, holy shit. I guess the logic there is that the steam tank will eventually burn all the coal it has on board and become immobilized, turning it into a sitting duck.

Chance to hit = 35% + ( Melee attack - Melee defense)

I'm still confused on armor. If a unit has 10 armor and the unit attacking it does a base damage of 10 then it would block all the damage? And if it had armor piercing damage of 5 then it would do 5 damage?

@@shop9314 if a unit deals 10 base damage and 10 armor piercing damage to a unit who has 20 armor. it will deal 10 base damage minus 10% to 20% (random number between 50% and 100% of the armor value of 20) and 10 armor piercing damage (those bypass armor). in this case it will do between 18 and 19 damage (10 ap + 8-9 base damage depending on the roll of armor)

I did a lot of testing of Flock of Doom on unit with same models but different magic resistances : the ones with magic resist always took less damage than the one without, every single time.

@@ludovicartu4239 yeah you are right... it does seem to do magical damage. Interesting... the more you know.