Was Hannibal A Hero? 

Sir yes sir

Sir yes sir

Hannibal is overrated

more roman stuff pls sir

If Hannibal cant take on Russia then Ukraine is truly doomed. I hope you all got the hint.

It’s been made lol

And release it this century

@@richardcranium5329 when is it due out ??

@@tomhirons7475 Due? Like a few years ago, give or take.

Bet they could try at least...

You forgot to exclude King Arthur from that, but that was merely because you understood everyone would know you meant to. Right ?.

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 well apart from the tact that Arthur was al legend, and no one knows if the real man even existed, no o didn't forget to exclude him Arthur. He too was, if he ever took breath, human. And as such was flawed.

@@Buggsy1061 Ha , that sort of logic is fine for lessor men like Charlemagne and Washington, but you know perfectly well that you can't include Arthur in that group.

​@uncletiggermclaren7592 Keep our first president out yo mouff. George was the first man to rule the best country on earth. Keep your Hannibals and Arthur's we don't need them because we had G'd up Washington.

@@sidtheslothwhy8706 Well, enough people spoke well of the man at the time, even nominal "enemies" called him a Gentleman and the soul of Probity. I will grant you he was a Good man. But he was no King Arthur.

Are you a drainer?

​@@olleolaussonI've got a 30' snake...

@@ramixnudles7958 Almost everyone I meet says that you are a pathological liar so I don't think so.

@@olleolausson I'll nevertheless fix your drain. I will charge extra, and I will wear my extra-large plumber's jeans.

@@olleolaussonu drane u gane

Specially when you consider who's actually fighting. It's not a lottery that selects people at random, it's mostly people from a specific demographic that go die in wars, so for survivors from that particular demograaphy the relative impact is even greater. It's known Tolkien and Lewis were both WW1 survivors and (not so coincidentally) went on to become authors of great renown in Fantasy. But they weren't the only young people who, before the war, were interested in that genre and were in fact accompanied by many other prospective writers from the British universities' circles, most of which died there and never got the chance to write and find huge success like those 2 did. Similarly it's a macabre anecdote that the university of Istanbul took quite a few years to graduate its first medical doctor after the war even though students were allowed to resume studies where they had stopped, simply because almost every last student who had been enrolled in the medicine course when the war broke out died there ir were otherwise unable to resume studies, so the university needed to start everything from scratch again.

It's not just Rome though - there were Latin allies also fighting. Going by the population of the city-state, rather than the greater confederacy, is a bit misleading.

That 5% being estimated as 20% of the adult male population

Terrible, isn't it? It wasn't only Rome who blead, but also its allies. Lole Lindy showed, Rome and its allies had an incredibly deep manpower reserve and the willingness to keep going no matter the costs.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yRPYYTiHmdk.html

It would even be a great idea for a graphic novel.

Yes, it feels like eons since he's done content like this

You’re right! This is what YT is supposed to be

I've skipped most of Lloyd's recent content if I'm honest. This is why I'm here.

@@jaymz6473 I've watched all his stuff ever since he made points about slings and Greek helmets, except for the Q&A videos. I'd certainly like to see more of these hour long lectures from him.

Your words are quite illustrating

The way you describe it, I can almost see it with my mind eye. It's comical how clear you make it.

Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I was wondering why my wallet felt so light while watching this video.

Please don’t mention the war

you really Kickstarted my brain with this one

Heroes are fun because they're as good as fiction to us. Actually having yoir own real life caught up in the actions of people who go down in history probably feels a whole lot worse.

My thoughts exactly.

I deeply agree.

yeah in a Greek sense it makes sense but modern view, ah hell no, the wars he started for revenge are just nuts, and its not like "they killed my family" revenge, its petty "they gave us a harsh treaty" revenge after we had a war with them

​@@svon1errr, petty?? Rome practically went to war and conquered the whole known world.. Hannibal had to go to war with Rome.. For eventually Rome would have brought the war themselves..Rome was a pure military state.

Yeah. Those damn Romans sure hated fun, didn't they?

Victim then?

That's exactly what makes him a hero.

Good riddance! What have the Romans ever done for us?

@@SuperFranzs the aqueducts?

it has also been a while since we have seen a Lindy dance on this channel.

I swear that's exactly what I thought

These are his best videos. Nothing better than an hour long rambling on a subject.

I knew him for 7-10 minute long videos about "A point about" and weird rants about children smoking and saying no to a dance.

Russia: hold my vodka, where are my exploitable minorities?

He is a rather clever man though. His short form is very compelling too.

George Lloyd

@@Alfenium what did you mean by this...

I love me long form Lloyd

Finally a long from Lloyd? That's what she said?

Verbs are dead

Welcome to the Information Apocalypse. In a very short time, you won't be able to trust ANYTHING you see in the media, or online in general. Unless you see it in real life, you simply won't be able to trust it. Pandora's Box has been opened, and there's no shutting it.

We are in the future, but it turns out that the future is awful.

How do we know your comment was written by a human? Or this one?

+1

Like any of the batman games. The shit he does to the gaurds would definitely kill them, but taking out joker to save a bunch of lives is too far.

​@@lukasg4807davros calling the Dr for genocide when that was the pure intention of the darleks.

Serves us right for working for a bad guy. I mean, come on, obviously we all know what happens in the lives of people we work with.

@@Marwolaeth01 Come now... Most ALL workers find themselves employed out of necessity and not want. Only a small percentage of humans have a career they want.

@@lukasg4807 Well, bruce is a crazy nutjob at times

its pronounced chianti

Silly that's the wrong Hanibal, He was actually the leader of the A team, 😂

maybe if it was a Malbec

really? that is so low. average american male weighs 197,9 pounds. which is over half more than the Romans weighed.

​@@tj-co9go People who eat all grain diets without quality proteins do not grow tall.

@@tj-co9go If I remember correctly the average US service man weighed in at about 150 lbs.

​@@tj-co9go You can't compare average weight of an overweight inactive nation to infantry soldiers. Compared to their physical training regime look up SF soldiers and most have a very lean built as that is the most helpful on the battlefield. Also romans were quite shorter. They were around 165-170 in height. 130lbs at 165 is a very fit healthy weight with an BMI of around 21

He really should communicate the progress a bit more, but you guys are really impatient

​@@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873are you joking?

It was slated to come out mid 2017.

F**k, it's THAT bad?! And that much time has gone by? Okay, fair enough guys. 7 years is plenty for a little bit of impatience

literally lay off though, he may have very little influence on when it is published at this point and have no new info to provide

@@sassenspeyghel4155 not exactly cause they didnt pay in advance lol

​@@joek600Some actually think they did by buying the first books...

@@joek600 oh wanna bet?

Ah, yes. A battle of puns.....

Perhaps a hero is needed for finding this "vote here" post he refers to - I can't see it yet, at time of writing this reply.

'Twas a ruse on Sir Lindybeige's part methinks....

maybe the real vote is in our hearts

It got buried down the list by the downvotes: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9K_BQQ1M950.html&lc=UgzViag4YOT26hL65SB4AaABAg

You have to copy/paste the link because yt chops it. Or just scroll down long enough and find it that way

You capitalist whiner... "All to me at once" kind of attitude.

Yes. But have you conquered Italy yet? I think the illustrator needs some inspiration. Would you mind giving it a go?

@@thoughtsuponatime847 I'll try 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

He said he expects it to release this year, perhaps that caused him to make this video

@@CaptainBogroll Fucking finally

So basically nomad roaming around and taking stuff. Mongols did it with army twice as big.

Hero or not, it seems a very impressive feat… capable as he clearly was, he didn’t do this alone. To me it seems this topic is dripping with that old, outdated and disproven “great man” idea…

That would imply there's heroism in killing. All of that is astounding and difficult to achieve, no doubt, but all it ever accomplished was hundreds of thousands lives cut short and many more carrying physical and emotional wounds they likely never fully recovered from.

​@@tokul76But they weren't all mercenaries speaking 10+ different languages somehow efficiently fighting, communicating and staying loyal.

@@tokul76 you are overlooking many things such as him being outnumbered over 2:1, and his enemy was Rome, not a bunch of smaller states like the Mongols mostly faced

Me too😂

And me!😎

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@@DrZip

It's also a genre of myth that teaches messages about how to overcome fears, become a man and seek greatness if you have the advantages to be able to do so. In that myths are always moral, theological and wisdom instruction packaged in story forms for ease of transmission, for the benefit of people who otherwise wouldn't listen.

That's kinda the problem though, that we judge people by allegiance, not character, intentions and consequences.

A bit too simple perhaps. You could be from Carthage but think that Hannibal should be spending his money on the people and the state rather than pursuing a family vendetta...

@@willboucher5397 Yup. The Barcid family had many enemies in Carthage.

Alexander the Great, loved in the West, hated in the east and often described as having horns like a demon (probably reference to his helmet plumes)

@@willboucher5397 he was a general. He spent the money Carthage politicians allocated to him, and whatever he, as a private individual, had. You can recall that after Carthage stopped funding the war Hannibal’s campaign came to an end soon after.

Romans violated the treaty. Saguntum was on Carthage's side of the line.

Also the format is borked! It shows a 1:1 format

@@lilacheaven222 Strange. It plays fine for me.

@@lindybeige .. me as well.

Hero.😎

​@@lindybeigeit's fixed now! I see I wasn't the only one experiencing the issue though

don't worry, they got you covered, get ready for black hannibal pretty soon...

@@John21WoW hahaha for sure. Perfect setup for the woke ideologic world view of white roman suppressors and the african victims. For sure Hannibal won't be historically accurate to transport their narrative like in every disney movie ever in the last years. That's why I'm wondering why they didn't do it yet xd

Three words: "dumb it down."

How do you know it's intentional, and what would he gain from destroying the seleucids?

Still more accurate than any modern politician, or Newsperson - nonetheless. (grin)

The most current estimates are around 1 million inhabitants at the height of the Roman Empire. Romans didn't even hold the whole of modern Italy back in -216. They had from Rome downwards, so perhaps 60% of modern Italy. The Romans lost 1/5th of their male population at Cannae, if we say 60-70,000. So that would be 700K inhabitants total.

​@@lifeschoolooh I didn't suspect the population to be so scarse. Which territories does it take into account into the million ? The whole empire ? Oh boy it must have been radically different to be so few on the planet.

​@@lifeschool 1 million in Rome alone, you must certainly mean

When you guys used the words like population and inhabitants, do you mean roman citizens? Have you counted the slaves, whose population is a few times more than the citizen?

I think Rome won

@@BlakedaBullbro spoilers. I haven’t gotten there yet

He’s still working on it

As I understand it, the script (lloyd's part) is complete. All that's left is for Mr. Chris Steineger to finish the illustration, and then publishing.

​@@TheSparda81Wasn't he finishing it years ago?

You could make a community poll. We can't see how many people voted "hero" vs "not hero" otherwise:(

are you able to see the amount of thumbs downs? and youll tell us?

All these factors to consider, and I'm still so unsure. I've read Livy and Polybius, and goodness knows how many other retellings and recapitulations of the punic wars, and every time I find myself rooting for him; and everybody I know personally who knows of the stories feels the same way. I do not know if he is a hero, but I can say for certain that he is the protagonist of the second punic war.

From what I’ve heard he was a fantastic leader and strategist, he might have even been a nice bloke, by the standards of the day, but I wouldn’t call him a hero. Too many people died for too little.

i vote for releasing the graphic novel. i only vaguely followed the whole thing due to beeing interested in the subject but not in graphic novels. so i was really surprised to see people in the comments saying it´s still not out. hasn´t it been almost a decade now? and then releasing a video about that topic and not even a word about the kickstarter? lol that´s hannibal levels of brazenness.

A graphic novel that will never be finished . . .

I don't.

Great people understand sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good . There is no good or bad in war .

​@@wookieboss2643Crug answer. What " greater good"

@@wookieboss2643 Anyone who thinks of war as a simple tool has long since lost all perspective in the struggle for ever more-corrupting power.

Alexander the Reasonably Adequate.

@@VEE727 hahahah

I've got pet goats, so I'm not sure that is a compliment. Have you got any idea what a Billy does to attract the girls?

Any videos on RU-vid you'd recommend on Saladin mate?

Omg, never saw the parallels, but Hannibal and Saladin are so alike in some aspects. Well, they have major difference, as Saladin won the war...

@@Andrew-yl7lm the channel 'Kings and Generals' has a nice series of videos of the second and third crusades from both perspectives. Extra History has a nice series on Saladin as well.

That's interesting ! My first instinct would be to link it to the great value our successives societies have put on the act of war. You need everything you can to make war sexy. But I'm very unsure about the status of war in the eastern world, compared to the western. Maybe it has nothing to do with it :') Maybe it is a roman thing ? We have an occurence of the 'respectable enemy' trope with Caesar's conquest of the Gauls. He emphasized how the Celts were heroic combatants, to glorify his victory against them even more. I believe it was common practice in Rome. You justify your expenses to the senate, you augment your triumph, and you pave the way for the integration of these new roman provinces. And if the roman did it, most of Europe was influenced by it. I don't have any more clue tho. I'm curious about how it goes in your culture. Are there really no such examples ?

Probably because the early crusader leaders weren't known for being honorable lol. The latter ones generally dont get as much focus because most people read about the first and second crusades

That's what you get for turning on notifications.

I've had a few videos which start silent. I restart and it works.

in fairness, Rome kinda was in the crushing business. Take Corinth or any number of other states

I'd say that he created fear in Rome.

I feel almost the opposite. It seems like he was a decent person (at least he doesn't seem to have been arrogant, greedy or spiteful) but he didn't really fight *for* anything we'd consider good today.

​@@Robert399I'd question how someone willing to crush countless others for wealth and power wouldn't be greedy.

@@leonardomarquesbellini He was already extremely wealthy when he was born and didn't gain any more through the war, in fact he expended a huge amount of money. In terms of power, idk. I suppose if he'd won he would've become more powerful but only through reputation and alliances. It doesn't seem like he wanted to conquer the lands he was fighting in (which almost any ruler would).

@@SawedOffLaser I probably can get close enough with some effort but I know several vets who would tell me not to. (And I mean close enough to get depressed and shocked. That would be just a fraction of what those people experienced. So, in short, my answer is no.)