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Not really, sure there are players who can guard all 5 positions but not an elite player at every position. LeBron has never locked up superstars at the one or five
Actually he was locked for his 3 Rd consecutive one then Perkins happened. And Jokic stopped playing the rest of the season seriously to focus for the playoffs
I honestly think Lebron deserved DPOY in 2012 over Chandler. Led the league in Defensive Box Plus Minus, 2nd in Defensive Win Shares, (Chandler was not no.1), 8th in Defensive Rating (higher than Chandler. His team was 4th in defensive rating whilst the Knicks were 5th. Those are pretty much every single defensive stat that exists and Lebron was higher than Chandler in all of them. If Gasol deserved in 2012 because of his numbers than Lebron deserved it in 2012 for his numbers. Numbers were the reason why Giannis won it in 2020 over Davis after all
None of those are defensive stats, besides team defensive rating. Individual defensive rating is just part of the team stat. Most of those are subjective formulas created that have large margin of errors. I don’t think one should use them at all and just look at a person’s actual defense. Lebron wasn’t a top 3 defender in 2012. Gasol, Garnett, or Howard all had a better case for winning it. Lebron just didn’t have the rim protection to be good enough. I do agree that chandler didn’t deserve it. And in 2020, neither Davis or Giannis should’ve won it, Gobert should’ve.
Gasol, Garnett, and Howard were all better rim protectors than Bron but none of them could guard perimeter players like Bron and it wasn't like Bron couldn't defend the rim. Bron in 2012 was the best all-around defender in the league hands down.
No, he didn’t deserve it at all. Here are the advance stats. For LBJ: Defensive rating 49th, Defensive Win/Share 8th, Defensive Box Plus Minus 5th. Now for Gasol: dRtg 5th, D W/S 2nd, DBPM 1st. That wasn’t even close
If I remember correctly, Grizzlies defensive scheme was to defend the opposing players and drive them towards Gasol. Thus, Marc was quite the anchor on his team and his defensive value derived not from him blocking or stealing balls, but rather by contesting shots, where his bulky 7 foot frame body was quite good at
yeah and? indiana did that with hibbert.. knicks did that with tyson chandler..bulls did that with joakim noah..and? lebron was guarding pau gasol in the post.. carlos boozer in the post.. at times guarding roy hibbert and marc gasol.. facts..
@@mentalprograming5365LeBron’s Heat were pulling off the scheme that Butler and Bam’s Heat would use many years later during the NBA Finals against Jokic. It’s very clearly effective, even with as few lockdown defenders they have now, the Bucks also used this and have been a top level defensive team with Giannis since like 2018 or so.
I’m saying that because of LeBron they did stuff ahead of their time, because he was able to pull off things that only players like Giannis, and maybe a young Kawhi could pull off.
I read somewhere that this was the kind of all-time defensive impact that Bill Russell had for his teams. Bill’s teammates could play overly aggressive because anyone who drove by them to the rim wouldn’t be looking at the rim, they’d be looking out for Bill Russell. I think it was his wiki or his book “Russell Rules.” I can’t remember where exactly, unfortunately.
1 vote to Carmelo and he lost dpoy to the nikka who was second team when bron was first you literally can’t make this up I still gone say this one of the best seasons of all time.
I mean yes you can make it up Chandler won DPOY the year before and didn’t make All Defensive First Team either. Mutombo and Robertson both were second team when they won DPOY as well in the 90’s and 80’s respectively
Lebron fabricated that pressure by constantly going on social media and causing stir ups. 2003-2015, Lebron got next to know media criticism with the exception of when he jumped to Miami. But even so, that was brief. In 2016 when Lebron got more active on social media there was negativity. Funny enough, most Lebron fans only just started watching NBA in 2016 and act like nothing happened before that
yes but that was like 6-7 years after lebrons run and also if media was actually smart, Lebron would’ve been the first to win unanimous mvp and dpoy in the same season
Great video. As a basketball fan we gotta get rid of media voting. Or at least lessen it and make it like all star voting where the media is only part of the decision.
"His importance to the New York Knicks" is the most disgusting argument in existence and I hate that people consistently make this argument when it comes to MVP voting. Lebron James unquestionably had a better season and probably would've been more valuable to the Knicks than Melo had he been on them. Punishing him for having a good team is so dumb
V true if I was on a team of babies in the nba I would be way more valuable to that team than lebron is to his team but I shouldn’t get mvp because I would put up 0 0 0 0 0
Media voting is still leaps better than voting by fans, players, and even coaches. Have you seen who the players voted for in awards? Thats right, their own teammates. When media gets it wrong it’s not as egregious as the other three.
Exactly there aren't any better alternatives. All this media bashing and I don't see a better process. Obviously not perfect but they get it way more right than not; and if they get it wrong it's not terribly wrong, it usually goes to someone that definitely has a case. I'm a big Lebron fan and yeah I thought Lebron deserved to win the DMVP due to the # of positions and versatility but I recall reading all kinds of articles and stats that year arguing for Gasol and they were great points. The media is the best balance of bias (least) and being knowledeable@@shade0180
All-time leading scorer, with over 39,000 pts, and counting, will finish top three in assists, four championships, including one against the regular season win record holder. Probably the greatest player ever. I know I’ll never see anyone break his record.
Playing with other great defenders could be also a cons: if a player is the main defender of his team, the team stats are more unbalanced in his favour, while playig with other defensive players can be a damage to the indiviual stats, since the defensive actions are "spread out" to more players. If Gasol made this stats while having "competition" in his own roster, then those stats are more remarkable, plus being the key player in a superior defensive team is itself another pros for the award. And the plus/minus stat is a sort of measurement of the defensive efficiency DESPITE the other players. And for the fact that he won DPOY but didn't make 1st defensive team, this is not a news: DPOY is based on votes on the single player and nothing more, and is a "everybody vs everybody" ranking, while the voting for the All-defensive team the comparison are based on roles. This means that if in the DPOY there are many players on similar roles, in the All-def team for that role they face more competitions and lose points. Practically speaking, Someone can vote for Gasol as 1st individually, giving him an edge on DPOY rankings, but in the defensive team he put Gasol as C or PF, and LBJ as SF, giving them the same points for All-def-team voting. And someone else that voted for LBJ or another Big , when voting the defensive team, didn't put Gasol as C or PF. In the specif case, in 2013 the first 6 spots of the DPOY rankings were 4 big men (Gasol, Ibaka, Noah, Duncan), while LeBron was the only SF as main role and Tony Allen the only Guard. This means a nearly sure presence of LBJ and Allen in the All-def team, while the votes for C and PF where more spread out, mostly between the 4 above. (The Point Guard of the selection was Chris Paul, 9th in the DPOY). The same thing could happen also for the Season MVP vs All-NBA team voting, and actually that happens 3 times: in 1961 and 62 Bill Russell won the Season MVP, but in the All-NBA 1st team as center he was behind Wilt Chamberlain, and in 1973 Dave Cowens won MVP, but as C for the All-NBA 1st team Kareem get more votes. Again the reason was the higher competion for the specific role in the team voting. I find it simple to understand, there is no reason to call it a scandal
Amazing comment that expertly breaks down how voting and awards work. Only thing I'll dispute is the likelihood of an MVP in the modern era not also making 1st team is nearly impossible. Russell won all of his mvps over Wilt due to the Celtics being the best team in the league and no ther reason. Players actually voted for mvp and I think it's safe to say that players definitely shouldn't be voting for any awards...especially pre-internet and access to footage and stats.
@@tiktokexposed898 "It wasn't a scandal but he was robbed"... same as "it wasn't a hurricane, but the storm destroyed the town"... 1 HE WAS NOT ROBBED: LBJ was a serious contender for DPOY, Marc was too, and other were too (Ibaka, Noah, Duncan, Allen). And guess what? There is no defensive stats where LBJ was the best, and as the video showed, Marc was better than him in most of them. Plus a votation was made to choose, and Gasol win... and LBJ was not as close as the video pictures: yes, he was second in voting, but taking into account the points of votations (where the voters rank 3 players, and the most higher a player is ranked from one voter, the more point he gain for the overall ranking) LBJ (149 pts) was closer to the spots from 3 (Ibaka, 122pts) to 7 (Larry Sanders, 90 pts) than he was to Gasol at 1st (212 pts). 2 the great season and the lack of DPOY are not related, having a great overall years doesn't grant someone any awards he want to win. For the great season overall the award was the MVP, and James won and deserve it, as it deserved to be in the 1st All NBA and All defensive 1st team because for most he was the best player TO PUT AS SMALL FOWARD, but nothing else was granted for DPOY, since many big mens were there too. And personally i think him winning MVP but not DPOY was quite logic... some good defensive highliths and the versatility doesn't make you the best defender of the league, and for both Miami and James the real stregth was the offence.
@alessiodaniotti264 Lebron wasn't just good he was elite defensively. One of the most versatile defenders ever. And of course he should've been unanimous MVP. Nobody else was as close to as good as him. So yes he was robbed of the greatest season ever. He should've won every award
@alessiodaniotti264 no Gasol was a centre. He was DPoTY which means the best individual player in the league that season. So how does it make sense that he wasn't the best centre in defence that season? If he's a better centre then all the others, he is first team all def. If he's 2nd team that means another centre was better defensively than him that year. The only thing that makes this happen was having different voters for different awards. Different voters prioritise different metrics for what they think. DPoTY being a media award meant it went to the best story for the season (so the grizzlies that season and Marc was the best individual for that team). When it came to those actually involved in the game they gave the awards to the ones who gave them most trouble or required plans around them etc.
I do. Miami was leading 2-1 and we're up for most of game 4 when Lebron had those measly stats. So the stats aren't the real problem here. And people say d wade was going to be fmvp, but he should never have even been able to think that. Those miami teams were best with Lebron leading them, and wade even acknowledged this after the 11 finals. Watch the games. That series wasn't even his worst choke job ever, let alone THE worst choke ever.
Exactly. The fact that they literally lost bc of him took him out of the debate. How you gonna say you're the best ever when you were a game ahead and had wade and bosh avg 27 and 24 and still lose to a single all star? Especially when mj never had a bad series series his entire career
Individual awards in pro sports should never be entrusted to the media. The media is too narrative driven. In 2013, they didn't care about the fact that Lebron most deserving of DPOY and unanimous MVP. They would get more mileage out of depriving him of those achievements than they would have if they had done the right thing. It's a travesty how the media marred one of the top-3 greatest individual seasons of all-time.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think old sports media started to realize Lebron was going to challenge Jordan for the GOAT. And to protect their beloved MJ and his multi billion dollar Jordan brand they stopped voting for Lebron in awards.
That’s a reach. In 2015 and 16 Steph was deservedly mvp. 2017 Westbrook deserved it. From 2018 on wards other younger players like Gianni’s deserved it
Big 🧢 his whole career was planned from the beginning to try to trick people into believing he’s better than MJ but all real basketball fans knows that’s the biggest NBA lie ever
Or, hear me out, Marc Gasol is one of if not the most underrated defenders, who didn't rely on stats like steals or blocks but being a thorn in the side with positioning and size, maybe because he was a team defender not only his partners in crime were one of the best, but they were better defenders because Gasol elevated their game. Jokic plays a similar way of defense and everybody says he's a bad defender when he's average at worst. Having 6ft11 in the paint in the optimal position that contests EVERY SHOT makes the fg drop much more than any chase down blocks, as espectacular as they may be
Gasol was barely even 2nd team all defense. it's a pipe dream that he would be first. They just didnt want to lose the DPOY argument in the GOAT debate. If Jordan was never born, Lebron would get more awards cause the Jordan fans who are voters wouldn't have a reason to rob him of accolades.
Wilt was a man among boys in the 60’s. There is no fucking way he’s doing that in any other era, so let’s not be dropping those stats as if Shaq, Hakeem, Giannis, Jokic, LeBron, Howard, Malone, or even Embiid couldn’t have also dropped holy shit numbers then.
And that’s with me also recognizing that Wilt definitely was an athletic freak who had a great case for the greatest player of all time, I just don’t like people uncritically saying these things.
He wasn’t robbed.. Gasol had a better defensive rating.. and team had a better rating with him on the floor.. Lebron wasn’t ahead in votes and wasn’t really that close .. stop the bullshit
Lebron James on the Miami Heat, he was TERRIFYING. I always felt Heat Lebron James was the best version of him, he was a beast all around and his defense was absolutely elite.
LeBron was absolutely robbed this year. He had the greatest season of any NBA player ever but he was robbed of DPOY and some Melo stan gave Melo a undeserved MVP vote. 2013 season is partly why i consider Lebron the GOAT
Highest game score of all time is Jordan in many seasons. He blows everybody out of the water. I think that’s the most accurate way to determine a dominant season over just awards.
@@TellenJonesLeBron didnt choke in 2014... Wade and Bosh were useless.... pretty much role players in that series against an absolutely GREAT Spurs team
@@persistentlypathetic6820 Now you are making excuses and blame Lebron's teammates for his own failure. The so-called GREAT Spurs team had to spend 7 games to beat the 8th seed in round 1 and then ran into trouble against OKC until OKC's Ibaka out due to injury. Duncan was 37 and Ginobili was 36. Kawhi was a raw kid scoring only 14 pts a game. At the same time, Bosh was 29, Lebron 29 and Wade 31 so Heats definitely were in a better shape. Yeat against this Spurs team whose main players were either outta or not in their prime, Lebron not only lost but also set NBA final record on losing margin per game. Not even 2011 was this bad. That's Lebron's typical style for you. When he won, it's usually shaky. When he lost, it's usually a debacle. Dude ain't never GOAT.
Choke in the 2014 finals? You have to be in an alternate reality to think that. You might be the FIRST person I've ever seen say that the 2014 loss was on Bron and I've talked to a shit ton of Bron haters. You do realize, in that series out of 5 games, Lebron lead in scoring in 4 of those games and avged 28/7/4 on 57% FG and 51% from 3. He was also shooting 80% from the foul line that series and played absolutely spectacular defense on Ginobili, Parker, and even sometimes Duncan. Wade and Bosh both played terrible that series and the Spurs hit an insane 47% of the threes they took (highest in NBA history btw). I remember after the finals even Skip Bayless couldn't blame Lebron for his performance during those finals so you might actually be a bigger Bron hater than Skip Bayless. @@TellenJones
@@revakriid I think the coaches who get paid top dollar to strategies and game plan against every team in the league were fully aware of that when they still voted for Tony Allen over Lebron.
@@Torrence_TJ By one vote? I'd call tha a coin flip. I think if they knew their vote was the only one that mattered, star power might have gotten lebron the win. I dont think think lebron was the best defender but neither was jordan when he won, or marcus smart last year, or any non-big ever, that position lends itself to on outsized impact on defense but sometimes we just go off vibes and reward those we see hustling..
@Kosithegod Michael Jordan finished sixth in Defensive Rating, third in Defensive Win Shares, first in Defensive Box Plus/Minus, first in steals and steals per game and even ranked 14th in blocks per game (might i add he's a shooting guard). He won the DPOY award with 37 first-place votes, well ahead of Mark Eaton's nine votes and Hakeem Olajuwon's seven. MJ was undeniably deserving of DPOY. Just because there are years when the victor was questionable doesn't mean it always is. Long story short, Bron COULD'VE won, but it certainly wasn't like it was undoubtedly meant to be for him. They clearly had other strong cases that year also.
Im actuality glad bron and shaq didnt get the unanimous MVP. Currys game changing season was the true unanimous season That being said bro should have a DPoY or 2. People that were around at the time remember how insane prime bron was at everything
A team of five Lebron's VS a team of five Jordan's would be an interesting scenario....... My opinion is that one on one it would be a dam close match... but the five VS five scenario would be a blow-out victory to team Lebron. What does everybody else reckon? Who wins? One on One.... and the Five on Five scenario??
@@IsaacMiller-bd8hg That is pretty much my basis for why 5 VS 5 Lebron destroys Jordan. He too much of a complete player and pretty much a bigger stronger version of Jordan. One VS One I feel Jordan might be crafty enough to make it go either way. With only one Lebron to worry about, Jordan's bag of tricks and smarts might get it. He'd have to be hitting his shots though, Lebron would dominate the rebounds..
@@IsaacMiller-bd8hg Part of me feels that way too. Lebron could post and back him up. Fade away shots off the post would be hard to defend. Jordan can be good with holding his weight and defensive stance though, can be very crafty reading steals of the dribble though. You're probably right though, but I feel Jordan has a very high bball IQ and would be able to work something out. He'd have to hit his shots on offence though as he's not getting many second chances though. 👍
what are you talking about ? lebron winning DPOY would've been the greatest travesty ever. he was never even a good defender. we all know what he COULD do in theory (guarding 4 positions etc), but he never did because he was never engaged on that end and he always shied away from contact. guarding rondo that one playoff series and fronting pau gasol that other time made him a defensive legend when in truth the best he ever was on that end was merely competent and that was only in his miami years.
He is talking about the 2012-13 season in Miami, he could guard 1-5 and he had the athleticism and the intensity to do it and he did, he was playing as a 4 and guarding 7 footers, like, a lot of his blocks those years were against bigs, if you didn't knew, the video talks about just 2012-13, not his whole career brother
He never shied away from contact, exemple, the block against Tiago, he never got outta way, but instead went with the hand open and blocked the shit outta Splitter, another 7'foot C that LeGoat blocked that year
Even if he won that’s definitely not the greatest season of all time. Maybe if his career but not all time. Mj: First Team All Defense, scoring Title, All NBA 1st Team, MVP, FMVP, Championship. The only one in history to run the table like that. And he did that 4 times. He’s still the only player to win the scoring title while making 1st team all defense.
I say you throw in a 2018 version (arguably the best he's ever been), a 2020 version (exceptional point guard), and a 2009 version (just to watch him be the best athlete in the history of the game again).
Shaq should have won the first unanimous MVP, but by 2013 rolled around, Lebron's name was in the GOAT conversation, and media made sure that he will never have the greatest season ever because it would benefit Lebron in the Jordan/James conversation....just think about that 2013 year if he would have won every award possible. MVP, FMVP, DPOY, 1st TEAM all nba and defense, one of the greatest statistical seasons ever, won 66 games in the regular season, 27 game winning streak, won one of the greatest Finals ever with one of the greatest Game 7 performances ever against the greatest Dynasty of the modern era......that's right there would have been easily the greatest season ever. Media members are told who to vote for.....they made sure Jordan's brand and legacy will not suffer from this unbelievable feet by James.....shame
I def couldn’t believe Gasol won that year either , same when Tyson chandler won , but I also believe Bron got cheated his last year on CavS too , the 1st stint, Howard won , who was a beast , but Bron just showed more ability to guard more positions & his chase down bloccs were something to see which he still does , but he was just doing it at a higher rate cause of the younger legs obviously, but I do believe he got cheated twice out of the defensive player of the year award
Only 4x in NBA history has a player been/won season scoring title, regular season mvp, defensive player of the year, the scoring leader in playoffs and playoffs mvp and those 4 players were Michael Jordan
Heat LeBron was so special because not only was he a force on offense (like he always is) but he was a huge difference-maker on the defensive side too That in my opinion is a top 2 player in NBA history
Wait so when jordan wins dpoy, a scoring title, a ring, fmvp, an mvp, all defense team, avg 30+, and didnt have another 20 ppg helper it doesnt count as one of the best seasons ever? 😅
The one year Jordan won MVP and DPOY he did not even make it to the finals. And the reason why we're saying LeBron's could of been the GOAT season (based on awards) is because of the fact that he was also 1 vote away from the first unanimous MVP. The real GOAT season (based on awards) goes to Hakeem's 1993-94 season.
@@nonstop Just because Lebron wanted dpoy and many of you wanted it, doesn't mean he deserved it. Also i can't take this video seriously when you say Gasol had all the defensive help and Lebron didn't. Umm D Wade, Chalmers, Shane B, Chris Bosh???? That's more than sound defensive help. Btw if you also go by the eye test for that year, yeah Lebron was good on defense but it was nothing spectacular
@@JoshSmith-jq9twlmao he was the best defender still in the league and d Wade was older and lazier, bosh lost a step, battier was hella old and slower
@@nonstopdon’t forget Hakeem Olajuwon near perfect season 1994 NBA Champion Finals MVP NBA MVP Defensive player of the year All NBA first team But was 3rd in scoring
I’m a Memphis fan so I may be bias, but Marc deserves that defensive player of the year. Anyone that watch those games knows that. Those numbers don’t lie and to make it about having tony Allen and Mike Conley is totally ridiculous. Wade and Bosh were very good defenders as well and all stars??? Lol
There were 5 years where LeBron made First Team All-Defense. Dwight Howard won it 3/5 of those years, Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol each got one. It’s weird to scapegoat Marc when Dwight Howard won not one, not two, but three DPOYS, and 2 of those were in seasons LeBron also won mvp. Oh, and LeBron never made 1st team all defense after that year-in fact, 2014 was the last year he made any all defensive team.
@@yungbeeno007 because different people vote for all defense and the DPOY award. If LeBron really was the DPOY, he should’ve beaten a guy who was on 2nd Team-but the voters saw who the real DPOY was
No, he didn’t deserve it at all. Here are the advance stats. For LBJ: Defensive rating 49th, Defensive Win/Share 8th, Defensive Box Plus Minus 5th. Now for Gasol: dRtg 5th, D W/S 2nd, DBPM 1st. That wasn’t even close.
If anything is wrong, it's the people who awarded Marc Gasol the Defensive Second Team, not the people who didn't give LeBron the DPOY. Even if Marc Gasol hadn't won DPOY, Tony Allen, Tim Duncan, paul george etc were still have been better defenders than LeBron.
Just because Lebron wanted dpoy and many of you wanted it, doesn't mean he deserved it. Also i can't take this video seriously when you say Gasol had all the defensive help and Lebron didn't. Umm D Wade, Chalmers, Shane B, Chris Bosh???? That's more than sound defensive help. Btw if you also go by the eye test for that year, yeah Lebron was good on defense but it was nothing spectacular
This whole premise is funny because the media LOVES lebron and has been claiming he’s the goat before he even won a chip. If the media won’t even give an award to lebron then he definitely doesn’t deserve it. And the one person who voted for melo is very justified. The knicks were the 2 seed and melo was pretty much carrying them, while lebron had a SUPERTEAM. You’re obviously more VALUABLE if you have less help on your team.
@@lookatzay4813media is pushing for Lebron over Jordan. Because Jordan doesn’t care for what other people think. Lebron does. It’s all showbiz. NBA knows they can profit off Lebron for much longer.
DPOY wasn't the only major award LeBron missed in 2013. Even if he won it, he would still be missing the major award of Scoring Title. Still a great season tho.
LeBron leaves a lot on the table, there have been several times he was less than one point from winning the scoring title and just didn’t care. could've been the oldest player to ever win a scoring title and 2 years ago and just didn't even play the one last game to simply qualify (minimum games) for the award. Genuinely think he takes pride in not being a high volume scorer.
He didn't get robbed of DPOY. He was elite but not at a clear DPOY level. The Heat had only the 9th best defense in the league that year, and his own defensive on/off stats were solid but not the best in the league. Gasol, Duncan, Ibaka and Noah all had better defensive numbers that year than LeBron.
Gasol Duncan ibaka and Noah at one point in time were all guarded effectively by lebron that year you know who else was… Derrick rose, Westbrook & John wall. Gasol Duncan ibaka and Noah protected the rim and guarded the bigs. Lebron that year protected the rim guarded the bigs and guarded the best guards as well AND did it in crunch time. That was the difference that year as to why he easily could’ve/should’ve won DPOY that year. He guarded every position at as high a level or higher than anyone else in the nba that year. Not to mention he didn’t have Tony Allen/Conley, Kawhi etc (1st, 2nd team or 3rd team All defensive teammates)
Every reason you just stated for LeBron not winning it would also apply to Jordan when he robbed Hakeem of DPOY. That's the problem, the voters have always been biased towards big men but they made an exception for Mike and not for James.
