We Don't Talk About Donald Trump: A Case Study | Big Joel

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Let's talk about Donald Trump and the way we talk about Donald Trump! wooo. Nice.
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@BigJoel 3 года назад

Hey there! Hope you liked this video, I felt kinda odd about it as I was making it haha. Anyhow, if you DID like it, consider donating to my patreon maybe! I'm guessing there won't be ads on this video, so it would of course be appreciated. AND you will get to see some bonus footage of my dog, if that appeals to you lol. Cool here's the link! www.patreon.com/bigjoel Also, this video was edited with help from Ben from Canada (@BenChinapen)! You can follow him here and I think he gives editing lessons, if you want them!

@ohmiohwa4199 3 года назад

A+ video

@c-r 3 года назад

I'd watch you huff farts out of a paper bag behind a burger King brother, all good

@robhatesyoutube 3 года назад

One day I will when I can ☠

@RabornTau 3 года назад

I don't like it. You're propagating interpretations that are ridiculous.

@marocat4749 3 года назад

The other thing is, if the laowhy channel is taken critical, all we can accuse the ccp in that case, which, the party would want to play it down, donald is the same, but worse, and far less competent in handling he crisis. Which gives his accusing "china" , just proection, since the start, even i there is some truth. Hell even the same reason to want to "play it down". And yes there is enough evidence tosay the ccp lied and is horrible and does evil stuff, but my take is, trumps wants to be that competent doing it. We know he is inspired by horrible governments, likely inspired based on his my kampf example, took inspiration there, his friendships with questionable governments, Thats what he wants to be,appearently, comparing him to that austrian born german, is fully valid, thats what h wants to be, in my opinion.

@joshhickman77 3 года назад

If you sold a shirt saying, "don't have parasocial relationships with public figures", I'd buy it and pretend we were friends.

@Cwyrm 3 года назад

Mm, I can see it now. Maybe in the style of those “anti-social social-club” shirts?

@sarahlilliancullen 3 года назад

I love this comment so much, I feel a real connection with you

@Deschutron 3 года назад

I'd buy it and wear it and also wear a woollen jumper (sweater) over it just to be more like Big Joel.

@papasscooperiaworker3649 3 года назад

@@Cwyrm i hate those shirts. i get so upset because people don't actually know what antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is. mental illness being treated like a trend like it always is

@tarvoc746 3 года назад

Oh yes, one with Big Joel's face on it and then the sentence directly below.

@fizzgryphon4849 3 года назад

Well said. Whether or not you think his reasons were justified, his action - or rather inaction - caused an effect that rippled throughout America. The argument about his soul has always irked me as well. His reasons for doing what he did lend little credence to the ultimate point: Donald Trump actively fought against life saving decisions, leading over 200,000 Americans to die.

@taliyahofthenasaaj7570 3 года назад

Not to undermine your comment, but I think the ultimate point is: "The structures in place gave Donald Trump the power to actively fight against life saving decisions. Is this a structure under which you want to live? Should a single person ever have that much power?" Donald Trump has clearly been bad, but should he be a bartender in a town in the middle of nowhere, he wouldn't have the ability to fight against life saving decisions. It's all the power that was given to him that ultimately made his bad character have such bad consequences.

@fizzgryphon4849 3 года назад

@@taliyahofthenasaaj7570 I don't think you've undermined my comment at all! In fact, I think you've made an excellent addition to it. My point was not necessarily about the video's ultimate statement, but just something I've observed. I love hearing your addition to it and I think it's very, very much something that needs to be heard.

@brandosanto 3 года назад

I'm upset that we're at 231,000. We're fast approaching another benchmark, but yeah, "we're rounding the curve". I feel that a lot of people have been focused on him as president, and his antics, but there hasn't been nearly enough focus on the lives that we've lost in my opinion.

@gizmodobaggins7040 3 года назад

It's rhetoric, as it always is in discourse. It is a somewhat hidden appeal to emotion. It comes up a lot in regards to racism, because it speaks to a base in denial. But they're not really racist, it's just that their policies/actions/whatever dispropionately target marginalised ethnic groups! It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. Even if you concede that the person is not racist (which you should never do unless evidence to the contrary is given), it literally does not matter. Their actions matter, their actions are racist.

@Kino_Cartoon 3 года назад

@@gizmodobaggins7040 Being racist isn't a character trait. It's a description of behavior and I already said this countless times because so many people don't think like that. If a person is racist just by a character trait but never acts or avoids acting racist than you can't tell if they are racist. But if they are acting on racism that's the moment when someone gets criticized for being racist.

@allpowertothepeople3737 3 года назад

that clip of "you can't steal my dog --- she's mine!" is perhaps the most wholesome thing I've seen in the past week, at least.

@wonderinart8429 3 года назад

"Donald Trump is just whoever you want him to be." A former president??? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

@calvin8201 3 года назад

@@batmabel we can't say that

@FittedSheetGaming 3 года назад

In 2025 yeah

@FittedSheetGaming 3 года назад

@@batmabel wow so civil. Wishing people dead

@crimsonwolf6866 3 года назад

@aexton rebal He deserves more than 4 years in prison. No telling if he'll live that long though. He's already old and unhealthy.

@Evolvedpants 3 года назад

@@FittedSheetGaming Maybe you should go back to your safe space

@randyohm3445 3 года назад

I'm reminded of the conversation surrounding the revelation that the US was torturing people suspected of terrorism. People attacked the practice by saying that it was ineffective. They pointed to times when it failed to produce meaningful information, or when the information they did get was false. The whole time I wanted to tell them to stop saying that, to stop talking about it in those terms. Because by saying that torture was bad because it didn't work, in inherently left open the possibility that some torture technique WOULD work and suggested that in that case it would be okay. The only right way to condemn torture is to *condemn torture,* not to suggest that there are more effective options.

@stobie9063 3 года назад

Lmao this always kinda bothered me too!! They're trying to appeal to the other side using logistics, ignoring the fact that if someone is okay with literal torture they're probably not going to be persuaded by logic tbh. The main issue is that certain groups of people have been intentionally dehumanized to the point where anything goes, and if the authorities say it's okay it must be okay!! If someone thinks like that they don't just need to be handed basic facts, because there's much bigger problems to deal with that need to be pulled out by the roots.

@sprotte6665 3 года назад

I feel the same way about arguments against the death penalty that are like "it's not cost-effective".

@randyohm3445 3 года назад

@@sprotte6665 I agree 100%. I would still oppose the death penalty even if it were made cost-effective, so that line of attack is very weak and beside the point.

@epicmarschmallow5049 3 года назад

I think the reason that argument is often pushed forward is that most people I've seen who are in favour of torture take that position because they believe the information gained is worth it; they position torture as a sort of necessary evil. The argument that it doesn't work is a counter to that line of thinking. It's not necessary because it doesn't work, so it's just evil

@meligoth 3 года назад

If torture was a method of last resort when it comes to an extreme circumstance like terrorism, then it might get a pass in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately the practice is the equivalent of a stop and frisk, but instead of just patting down a random person In hopes of finding contraband, they just physically and mentally torture til they get a confession to a crime. Recently the FBI foiled a plot for the kidnapping of the governor of Michigan, and that took quite a bit of gumshoe work, getting informants, surveillance, intercepting communications, but not a single soul tortured to stop what was basically a terrorist attack. Sure we cannot say that torture never works, but it's success rate in gathering good Intel is abysmal.

@Justin-og9gu 3 года назад

The words "It's his right to because we can't stop him" reminds me of this weird similar moment I had talking to a Trumper. It was about the rally in Tulsa, (before it was cancelled). I asked a Trumper why on earth Trump wanted a rally in that specific place on Juneteenth of all days. His answer seared itself into my brain, "Because he can." There was no other justification suggested, that was all the Trumper said, and he said it proudly. I can't forget about that. Trump cancelled the rally which makes the situation even more convoluted, was shitting on the history of racial oppression really a line he couldn't cross? It feels more like a line he chose not to. I don't think if that rally had happened anything would be different today. It's this weird intersection of "strong man" leader mentality and the way we deal with moral judgements that was outlined in this video. You can project all the racism you want onto this "mental image" of Trump but it doesn't matter, because we already decided as a society a POTUS has "the right" to do these things, and then "strong man" politics determined that if the strong man is able to do it, he SHOULD do it.

@ruth078 3 года назад

Why do you and your dog look so distinctively comfy and cozy. You in your sweater and she with her fluffy fur.

@luminyam6145 3 года назад

I think I am going to have to recommend your channel to my sons. As per usual I am probably behind the times (this always happens) and I bet they will tell me they have already watched your channel. Anyways, this is great stuff and should be passed along.

@Floris_VI 3 года назад

This video aged like a fine wine

@benmuschol1445 3 года назад

Using consequentialism to argue that I, the perfect dog owner, should not simply be allowed to steal everyone's dog. Very dubious reasoning....

@AgniFirePunch 3 года назад

It's not even a good argument because he just assumed everybody agrees with him

@alisaurus4224 3 года назад

It’s not stealing if you’re merely claiming dogs that are rightfully yours

@ReviewShark 3 года назад

6:50 - you just wanted to show your new puppy off didn't you? i'm glad you did, thank you for this treasure.

@elinyancat 3 года назад

ooohhh thats a great dog i wish I could steal it

@TiagoMorbusSa 3 года назад

I would steal your dog because she's so cute oh my god I'm the worst

@kvnstgrg 3 года назад

Hey, I just wanted to point out that at around 6:55 you are making a contra-positive error. In formal logic inverses work like this: Stole dog -> Bad thing Didn't do a bad thing -> Did not steal dog. What you said in contrast assumes that not stealing the dog demonstrates the person having not done a bad thing, which it doesn't assuming there are more than one bad thing. I know this sounds ticky-tack, I am only writing this because you clearly put a lot of thought into your videos and I am a fan. So I hope pointing it out helps.

@sderoski1 3 года назад

I noticed it too

@braydenmoore3101 3 года назад

Hi Mr.BigJoel!!!

@fillefjong 3 года назад

Funny how I just watched "Why Conservatives Can't Stop Lying" by LonerBox. Which he released 3 months ago, but that is very spot on this very same topic about conservatives' motivations for lying.

@omniscant7193 3 года назад

I know this is about trump and it is a good video. But your dog is really cute and I’m glad it’s in this video.

@theob6580 3 года назад

Love you Big Joel! I ended up referencing this video in my legal studies midterm :D

@VapidVulpes 3 года назад

Where the hell have you been all my life?! Fuck, this is such a boss perspective!

@misery8264 3 года назад

I didn't expect to be hit with such a high amount of cuteness out of nowhere.

@Abby-xo1de 3 года назад

I literally gasped bc your dog is so dang cute

@SaysThisCat 3 года назад

Shameless dog flex. Pup is precious.

@majalis7010 3 года назад

i love when the the large joel upload teh video

@catchargdgd934 3 года назад

that sounds like dictatorship not held accountable. USA government structure seems to be like; state popularist centralised democratic synarchal dictatorship tbh lol

@jadedjimmy 2 года назад

Why is “Donald Trump is just whoever you want him to be.” the truest piece of facts I’ve heard in a while. Like…. 🤯

@GrayYeonWannabe 3 года назад

as always, love your videos

@squidrose 3 года назад

The belief that the party and the platform matter more than the character of the candidate ignores the wisdom of the ages that, “when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2)

@bryanpadilla5954 3 года назад

Hey, Big Joel, I am currently watching your videos for over a month now, and it is giving me a different perspective of certain arguments or topics that are discussed by Jordan Peterson, Steven Crowder, and other conservative main-stream individuals. As of right now, I agree to certain aspects that are considered, "Conservative," while other aspects are are considered, "Liberal." I am sort of in a journey trying to figure out what I value for our society, what is classified as right or wrong (besides common sense, of course), and as well as committing to individual thinking, but it is getting more and more difficult when watching arguments made by Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. Sometimes when I watch Jordan Peterson, I think, "Oh, I guess he has a point," and so I immediately agree with him; but when I watch or read individuals like you, my mind shifts into, "Wait, this person has a point," which changes my perspective from then after. I assume that for you and everyone else would probably label me as a blind sheep, and in this case, you are right. I am always trying to find the exceptions of specific arguments presented by politicians, analysts, and commentators, instead of blindly following when given sources or statistics. Like, for abortion, I agree that it should be legal, as we do not know the situation a women is undergoing--either suffering from poverty, being a victim of rape, or perhaps dying from giving birth to the baby. While, putting the factor aside, the women may put the baby for adoption (when it is at the stage of developing the characteristics of human life); and while orphanages or adoption agencies may or may not be the best place for a child, as people may argue with this, but it surely gives a better option than aborting the baby. Of course, I understand that it is the women's choice, so I am not willing to push what I believe now into women's lives. However, back into the mind of this rant, I just...I do not know what to believe, what to take as true or false, knowing that there is either one way to counter argue or debunk an argument or topic. In any case, though, it is great to receive another perspective from the other side of a topic, and I appreciate the content you are making for this platform.

@Khepriem 3 года назад

I was in your shoes a few years back. What helped me was to get away from the talking heads on either side of the political spectrum and simply learn how to reason. We all think we're innately born with the ability, but what we're born with is severely limited. Common sense for example doesn't exist. All that actually means is "here are some things that I personally take for granted without questioning them, and I expect others to do the same." And yet because we are born hearing the phrase and believing it to be true, we all believed common sense was something almost concrete and separate from humanity. When I realized that it was not, I suddenly became very aware of how often people hide the loose ends of their "flawlessly logical" arguments behind the phrase "It's just common sense." Anyway, I would highly encourage you to watch or read some material on epistemology, logic, and fallacies. It'll take potentially months before you don't have to look up specific definitions anymore, but it's worth it. Being able to think logically and, like a math problem, be able to get to the bottom of whatever rubbish is being told to me is incredibly helpful. Of course we'll still be fooled, we're all human, but the relief you'll feel when you're able to understand why something someone said doesn't feel quite right and put a name to the fallacy they're using will feel overwhelming at times.

@xChaosReignsx 3 года назад

I can’t even comment what I want because I don’t want to get attacked

@billijof7729 3 года назад

I like you. You have a good brain. Or maybe I just relate to you a lot lol. I've just watched all your videos while holed up over the weekend. Weird, yeah, but I was logged out of my channel and you were the only good content for miles. I probably could've just... logged in or used the search bar... you've just got the best vibe and sweaters and I've been depressed and it helped. So thanks, man

@roppledopple6979 3 года назад

good video! I love in depth analysis of rhetoric like this!

@animorph17 3 года назад

The next few years are going to be interesting.

@malachorfives 3 года назад

your videos almost always make me feel like you've made me think about something in a way I wouldn't have otherwise and it's So Good, like it's literally the best stuff. seriously. gotta say nobody else quite manages that

@Cymricus 3 года назад

My internet is out and I have to wait until Wednesday. If Donald Trump wins while my internet is out...

@alr12 3 года назад

I loved what you said about your dog. Private property should be extremely important and stealing should never be justified by this lame excuse of the greater good.

@josequiles7430 3 года назад

Socialism accepts the concept of personal property, so don't worry you can keep your dog. I'm not a socialist btw, just wanted to clear that up

@alr12 3 года назад

@@josequiles7430 Who is talking about socialism?

@josequiles7430 3 года назад

@@alr12 sorry, I must have interpreted your comment poorly. It seemed like a weird anti socialism thing. Don't worry about it

@alr12 3 года назад

@@josequiles7430 No worries.

@joebakerbfc 3 года назад

Comment for engagement, all hail the algorithm

@_lost_3300 3 года назад

Our democracy is so amazing people are hoarding fire arms and explosives just for election day! You should be thankful to be in america

@d3ada5tronaut 3 года назад

moral judgement aside, I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to assume that panic causes economic crashes that cause more panic, and that preventing panic affecting the economy could cause fewer people to greedily take all they can grab leaving others empty handed, like what happened with the toilet paper crisis. Caring about the economy to the benefit of human life is possible, and the fact that the economy has alienated the people who make it possible due to mega-corporations which hoard wealth and the billionaires whose livelihood is made possible by the exploitation of workers means that many of us down here making zilch just want to watch the whole economy burn, and rightfully so. But economies are not inherently evil, they're just a network of the exchange of goods. So yeah basically caring about the economy isn't inherently bad, since it affects everyone, the poor especially. and yeah it is frustrating that his government and in fact most US governments previously cares more about xyz big company's tax breaks and profits than the people they govern, and "caring about the economy" is often code for "being cozy with big businesses." But I guess the real point is no matter what his motivation was he didn't decrease panic, he was negligent, and his professions against the danger of covid were themselves dangerous. There are ways to decrease panic and treat a danger with respect. if a starving tiger is in the room and the person in charge wants to decrease panic they can ask if someone knows how to calm and tame the tiger while others try to find a way out, or they can say "what tiger?" while people get killed. idk

@jamkwasowski5207 3 года назад

Good video; excellent dog.

@TheK3vin 3 года назад

THIS IS THE BEST BIG J VIDEO BECAUSE PUPPY

@ross4 3 года назад

This is how the mainstream media has treated Trump for 4 years.

@BuddhistJihad 3 года назад

Even from someone who does perceptive and interesting videos, this was a particularly perceptive and valuable one. cute dog too

@TheLily97232 3 года назад

Actually, in France itsthe exact same thing. Their way to deal with it is ambiguous to say the least. also they are tightly looking advisory with the us constantly.

@The5lacker 3 года назад

Please tell me your dog is named Little Joel.

@eggynack 3 года назад

Her name is Totoro.

@amaeshiet7625 3 года назад

Billy joel

@ЕкатеринаИванченко-т8м 3 года назад

@@eggynack god that's even better

@uninstaller2860 3 года назад

Didn't you hear him call her name Jolene?

@solthas 3 года назад

Jojo would be good.

@friedrice4015 3 года назад

I'm sorry, I couldn't pay attention to anything because the dog was too cute. This is bad, and makes your videos ineffective, therefore I will be stealing your dog to fix this problem. Thank you, please leave the back door unlocked.

@cottontail5109 3 года назад

why can't I save a RU-vid comment?

@huckthatdish 3 года назад

I judge you to have a pure soul and thus you are permitted to steal his dog

@graywave4893 3 года назад

I am DYING to know the dog's name

@autumncardenas7125 3 года назад

I know your heart is in the right place and because you clearly watch his videos very quickly after they come out you have the right to steal the dog

@thesuperpunmaster6369 3 года назад

Could you steal my dog too? She just sits around and eats...

@porcubot 3 года назад

"That's the thing. I don't think I believe in 'deep down.' I kinda think all you are is just the things that you do." -Diane Nguyen, Sad Horse Show, 2014

@TheNinja94a 3 года назад

That's my thing-it doesn't matter his emotions or what he was thinking when he took the actions he did, it's about his actions, and the effects they had on us. I wouldn't look at my mom's ex, wondering what he was really thinking when he hit my mom-I'd rather declare him a piece of shit, and put him away. If I said that last sentence to a Trump supporter, they'd probably agree with it, until I'd ask them why they don't apply that logic consistently.

@captainhaddock6435 3 года назад

@@TheNinja94a But that's also a very reductive point of view. It doesn't take psychology into account at all. If you have Autism, or Tourette Syndrom, you probably do stuff perceived as "bad" all the time. But you are not to blame for it. It doesn't mean you are a bad person.

@infinityentity 3 года назад

@@captainhaddock6435 If you are mentally capable of being independent and making your own choices you can also take responsibility for your actions and apologize when necessary. Mental illness/autism/etc may explain some bad behavior but you should still be held accountable if you hurt someone.

@kiannah.4150 3 года назад

@@captainhaddock6435 "its not your fault, but it is your responsibility" - idk, i heard it first from my autistic partner. they say stuff all the time thats "mean", but then I explain why their actions were hurtful, and they are 1) shocked 2) confused 3) apologetic. it kinda turns stupid and shitty if they were 1) already aware 2) intentionally apathetic 3) gaslighting. same goes for trump and others.

@Virjunior01 3 года назад

"It was his privilege - his right to kill us." That's absolutely the way to talk about it.

@LukeMcGuireoides 3 года назад

I say that that is so but not because no one stopped him. It's because no one holds him accountable. It was his right to do it since he doesnt face any consequences for it

@bcresearch746 Год назад

@@LukeMcGuireoides I'd argue that he DOES face consequences: the impeachment trial, the Trump followers leaving, far-right people changing their political shift, and so on. But, due to him being an old white man with more money than he'll ever need in his life, the current system in America fuckin' loves and hates him. I do, however, see how it seems like he doesn't face any real or legitimate consequences. I mean the dude led a coup in the pandemic and still has followers in office.

@maazkalim Месяц назад

Did you euphemise the quote?

@DerangedManiac12 3 года назад

"Orange man bad" vs " Orange man's actions bad and have produced tangibly bad consequences for the majority of Americans regardless if orange man bad or not"

@sobersplash6172 3 года назад

Or, “orange man bad and here’s tangibly why “

@katec708 3 года назад

yup yup yup

@oldbadname3633 3 года назад

"Orange man's badness can be framed in many ways, including horribly overexaggerated to completely undercut, and both are equally scary"

@moss5356 3 года назад

yes yes yes

@oldbadname3633 3 года назад

@Dino Nuggets Yo why the @, I dont care to pick a side

@Patricia_Taxxon 3 года назад

tell yr dog i would die for her

@Bluntteh 3 года назад

Spoiler: Donald Trump was just a collective hallucination.

@shreyaadahall 3 года назад

Mugen tsukiyomi

@atomic66 3 года назад

I wish

@alisaurus4224 3 года назад

With real-world effects

@noahschwartz1222 3 года назад

He's a spook ;)

@localegoist4079 3 года назад

I fucking wish

@lemonythicket1406 3 года назад

Yes! This is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell people when discussions about politics devolve into speculation on his character! The point isn’t whether he’s a monstrous, evil person, it’s whether we should allow someone to have that much power when it’s been demonstrated over and over again they will not use it to aid and inform the people they have power over.

@jeffersonclippership2588 3 года назад

It's almost like calling the Republicans hypocrites isn't gonna stop fascism

@waluigi3515 3 года назад

@@jeffersonclippership2588 of course it will not, Republicans do not support fascism, so your anger would be wrongly directed.

@saexy_potato 3 года назад

@@waluigi3515 As most people Republicans support primarily their own personal gain and benefit. Fascism is still an issue but imo the bigger problem is that most government systems cant handle today's society adequately anymore and leave itself open to attacks and misuse from ALL extreme sides. For example i believe some parts of the Republican Party support fascism and are pretty successful undermining everyday politics.

@QuikVidGuy 3 года назад

@@waluigi3515 literally the thread above this is you being like "I'm not defending trump or anything" and this one is just "the fascists aren't fascist" like that's somehow clever

@ginandromeda1618 3 года назад

I'm sleepy, it's 6am here, I'm refreshing the results page constantly to see what's up, this video sort of confused me at parts but you summarized it quite well which made me understand it better, thank you. Also, you look cute in your pfp.

@NoUseForAName06 3 года назад

One day I am gonna pull a Tim Pool and proclaim myself a Conservative Capitlist while making videos all day how Lenin wasn't that bad a guy and had some good ideas.

@aaronmayo4786 3 года назад

Do it. Call yourself a libertarian and talk incessantly about how you "just want to maximize freedom for everyone and extend democracy into the workplace."

@xerzy 3 года назад

@Aaron Mayo Actual capitalistic libertarian here, your plan will fail because most libertarians disagree with democracy because "dictatorship of the majority", and like conservatives will talk about a Republic being a tool for jailing bad people and let companies, which would always have good people naturally, do the rest. Which is why instead you talk about how we should have companies where everyone voluntarily agrees to share responsibilities and work in exchange of sharing profit, that is 👀

@zeeenno 3 года назад

@@xerzy Ok sounds great. And when people inevitably disagree on contracts? Or people violate contracts? Who enforces these “voluntary agreements”?

@xerzy 3 года назад

@@zeeenno If we're talking anarchism, there's all sorts of proposals from socialists, mutualists and capitalists: either punitive via adjudication (basically, copying what states do, but making them somewhat more voluntary) or restorative via equality (aka everyone having their needs solved) and mediation. There's also flavors of libertarianism (most noticeably, minarchism) that try to reach a middle ground with a state that is as democratic, minimal, restrained and supervised by citizens as possible. Really, if you think about it, it's the same topic that is addressed in the video. As to whenever we're creating souls out of people and thinking of them based on judgements of personality. Not here to answer those for you, I'm still looking for the best ideas myself.

@Trailtracker 3 года назад

you should name your show something really obnoxious

@EchoGillette 3 года назад

WHAT A GOOD DOG Is she an Aussie? 😮

@samuelforesta 3 года назад

It looks like it!

@yeetlesbeetles1999 3 года назад

echo !!!!

@Howdyasdo 3 года назад

What a surprise seeing you here lol :D Love your content.

@patiotaiza 3 года назад

-So you saw the building setting on fire and you didn't say anything? -Yeah. -Why? -Well, I didn't want to create a panic. -But 67 people are dead. -Oh, but I saved the ATM.

@RabornTau 3 года назад

Not equivalent. People had a hint of how bad things were and bought TP out for weeks. What do you think would happen if he gave doom and gloom reports instead of "hey we'll get through this"? If you notice, we DID get through it and we didn't lose 2 million people which was the initial projections.

@voxomnes9537 3 года назад

@@RabornTau You have such a way to defending injustice, my god.

@patiotaiza 3 года назад

@@RabornTau Sure, only half a million people died. I bet those 500k families are ecstatic about it. Good job little Donny!

@B_Skizzle 3 года назад

@@RabornTau This whole ordeal is nowhere near over yet. We could still easily hit that 2M mark if this fascist shitbag isn’t tossed out of the presidency. Hell, even if he is. His mishandling of the situation will have lasting repercussions on how we respond to the pandemic going forward, no matter who's in the White House.

@willcrossley 3 года назад

@@RabornTau you can take appropriate measures to deal with the pandemic while still saying “hey we’ll get through this, we just need to make these sacrifices to prevent the deaths of a quarter million people”, like what so many other countries did, and it worked. Like Joel says in the video, there are ways to prevent panic that dont involve sacrificing 200,000 lives.

@BlackCat_Dream 3 года назад

Anyone else scared about tomorrow?

@odintheprole6068 3 года назад

Miniscule changes if we win. We lose either way.

@free_siobhan 3 года назад

Haha yup.

@johnscott353 3 года назад

@@odintheprole6068 in our personal lives, yeah youre right. But as whole (the country, the environment, etc.) Its a big deal

@MikkiBrayboy 3 года назад

Very

@friedrice4015 3 года назад

Remember, it isn't over tomorrow. We will still be counting ballots for a while, and we can't forget it. Trump will try to declare victory if it looks like it is going his way, even if that means votes will go uncounted. Don't let him.

@_CE53 3 года назад

This video was secretly an excuse to show off your dog. Dog Tapes when?

@ms.mittenz 3 года назад

Agree

@hayleybrooks93 3 года назад

thank you for this Joel. I think it's important to name that AIDS activists (namely those of ACTUP) were clear about what Reagan did to the gay community in the same way. It doesn't matter if he hated gay people (granted, he did), it mattered that we lost an entire generation to a preventable pandemic because of his choices.

@CuateVolador 3 года назад

"We let people die, but at least were not scaring people by making a Big fuzz about it" should be the republicans motto.

@blarg2429 3 года назад

They shouldn't have a motto, on account of how they shouldn't exist; nonetheless, this is about the most accurate motto they could have.

@brifox 3 года назад

"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make."

@JallyJam 3 года назад

Joe Biden literally bragged about someone describing his crime bill in 1994 as "he made everything punishable by death besides jaywalking". Uh yea ill take the one who tries to avoid panic

@fluffynator6222 3 года назад

There is no war in Ba Zing Ze.

@fluffynator6222 3 года назад

@@JallyJam Source?

@tvremote9394 3 года назад

"oh no!!! Big Joel got political in his videos!!! Literally ruined for me!! Guess I'll go watch his non-political videos like the Prager-u ones" /s

@braydenmoore3101 3 года назад

thanks for including the quotes and the /s i wouldn’t have known it was sarcasm otherwise

@braydenmoore3101 3 года назад

@casually cruel honestly prob best for people with autism. just funny to see

@thejesusaurus6573 3 года назад

@@braydenmoore3101 you joke (maybe?) But who knows for sure on the interweb these days

@sallybanner 3 года назад

im not seeing any comments that say that other than yours

@dottyContrarian 3 года назад

@@braydenmoore3101 ^^^

@laurasweightlossjourney 3 года назад

As someone who’s had both Covid and the flu, Covid isn’t the flu. Covid has knocked me down, it’s awful and I’m a healthy, 27 year old. I can’t imagine if I had an underlying condition.

@creshiell 3 года назад

I remember having pneumonia as a kid and people always describe pneumonias as "a really bad cold/flu" and... I remember not being able to breathe, and throwing up and shitting out everything anyone tried to give to me. Whenever anyone says anything is just a really bad something else, ngl it pisses me off lmao little me almost died to "a really bad cold", the shit's not lighthearted

@arsema885 3 года назад

@@creshiell same thing happened to me. even my doctors wouldn't take it seriously when I was struggling to breathe right in front of them.

@creshiell 3 года назад

@Jay Cesar when I saw this comment in my notifications i was like "what fucking comment thread could this possibly be relevant to" lmfao

@marcseegers918 3 года назад

If you can save just one more life than you have to sacrifice you should make that decision. Since the destroyed economy will lead to more deaths in the future than some virus

@prettysick9070 3 года назад

@@marcseegers918 yep just "some virus"

@dxtura 3 года назад

“I didn’t tell the public about the dangers of COVID just to prevent panic” is kinda what the Chinese gov said as well. Food for thought.

@QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 года назад

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire

@ginkgothestink-o6949 3 года назад

Dzooky P2P bruhv

@ShysTheLimit 3 года назад

@Dzooky P2P Lets not and say we didn't

@NIHIL_EGO 3 года назад

@Dzooky P2P shit b8 m8

@NIHIL_EGO 3 года назад

Oh yeah Voltaire daddy, show me the consequences of this.

@taliakellegg5978 3 года назад

Dangerous clowns, you mean?

@colonelweird 3 года назад

I'm amazed every time at the subtlety and depth of insight in Big Joel's arguments. He's making an extremely important point here in his usual quirky, restrained way. It's about how public discourse is degraded by our official individualistic moralism, which renders us unable to make meaningful moral judgments on public issues. But I'll have to watch this video a few more times and do some hard thinking to fully understand the argument. Thank you, Henry. This is excellent stuff.

@heartache5742 3 года назад

who's henry

@colonelweird 3 года назад

@@heartache5742 Henry is Big Joel's creator.

@soundpalette2438 3 года назад

The irony here is that most people dislike Trump for personal reasons and can barely articulate his policy, much less compare it to past presidents. If you are in the mood to look past your "individualistic moralism" the field immediately becomes more level between the two candidates.

@hairyshoulders5866 3 года назад

@@soundpalette2438 LMAO what? There are vast differences between the policy positions of biden and trump. Your preferences are going to depend on your set of values, but whatever they are, you will most certainly prefer one set strongly over the other. There's no way anyone compares their platforms and comes away with the conclusion that "hmm they are saying pretty much the same thing".

@heartache5742 3 года назад

@@colonelweird henry is god?

@Vienna3080 3 года назад

Fun Fact: Orange man is actually bad

@alexsmith2910 3 года назад

Evil and treasonous.

@ceoofantifa6245 3 года назад

It do

@maia_gaia 3 года назад

Hey, buddy, what the fuck???

@creeperbot4562 3 года назад

anime pfp

@superwooper5210 3 года назад

@@creeperbot4562 You aren't one to talk, considering that your pfp is literally JC Denton.

@WarMomPT 3 года назад

'The content of a candidate's soul' is just a more emotional evolution of 'well, he wants to let poor people die, but y'know...I could really have a beer with him.'

@tickytickytango5634 2 года назад

Trump, not pulling the fire alarm as the building starts to burn down: "It might cause a panic."

@taMeska 2 года назад

An evacuation would also cut into the profits of the business.

@lvl99paint 3 года назад

Large Joel, I am a big fan of your content. This comment is really just an offering for the holy algorithm but also I wanted to say Large Joel and that you make good content. Thanks

@dantefloressq 3 года назад

Congrats on the 69 likes. Nice.

@dogatekin3020 3 года назад

Trump after watching 6:00 - 6:08: "Look at BreadTube, BreadTube loves me, I'm the all time favorite president of BreadTube."

@katec708 3 года назад

LMAO

@danthemango 3 года назад

"I didn't want to cause a panic" is what he says after he told his followers to "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" and "LIBERATE WISCONSIN" which caused them to take their rifles into the state houses and start yelling at the troopers before a few of them began to organize a plan to kidnap and possibly kill the governor.

@JallyJam 3 года назад

yea, people said there is systematic racism in America then 35 people died, billions worth looted, a whole city block was taken captive where rape and 3 black men were killed on top of protesting on mass in nearly every city during a pandemic is kinda 50x worse then crazy gun nuts trying to stage a coup.

@rickrolld1367 3 года назад

@@JallyJam Are you talking about the BLM protests? Which occurred for months and months on end nationwide and globally? That death toll and property damage is miniscule compared to protests made by other groups in a similar time scale.

@ajae... 3 года назад

I still don't understand why that plot was downplayed.

@danielyeary148 2 года назад

@@ajae... that plot was largely orchestrated by the fbi, as buzzfeed revealed by going through the court documents

@timnergaard3831 2 года назад

@@danielyeary148 link

@JohnSmith-tg9wc 3 года назад

"I didn't want to cause panic." Nah that's utter bullshit.

@oswaldomayberry9260 4 месяца назад

Great analysis!

@sebasmusician736 3 года назад

Trump stole BigJoel's dog? vote him out!!

@restrictedmilk 3 года назад

To be fair, I'd steal BigJoel's dog too

@3bananas417 3 года назад

Support for Trump drops to 0%

@aiai_uiui 3 года назад

@@restrictedmilk very valid, who wouldn't?

@marcogonzales7070 3 года назад

So your telling me to vote for trump? Nice try

@jellow242 3 года назад

A+ dog content. that is a cute dog... i’m gonna steal that dog

@ceelar 3 года назад

but you can't, it's not allowed

@jellow242 3 года назад

@@ceelar my morals allow it

@KazakhToon 3 года назад

Also check Joel asserting his property rights... "it's my dog" what is this?

@jakestavinsky3480 3 года назад

@@jellow242 my utilitarian views state that the action that makes the most net happiness is the right one. Ergo he should share the good boi, make more internet content of the fluffer so those in other countries may see the woofy lad

@DoctorPhileasFragg 3 года назад

*NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW*

@invention64 3 года назад

Big Joel is such a cutie

@zzzaaayyynnn 3 года назад

adorable

@BrianWanes 3 года назад

A genuine wee snack

@moss5356 3 года назад

A certified cutie

@WithoutException 3 года назад

A troubadour

@nathanaelnguyen5596 3 года назад

Bro?

@Jordan-zk2wd 3 года назад

"We create a soul to punish" hey, this sounds like Focault! "... discipline and punish" *o h s h i t*

@Vegas242 3 года назад

I'm having trouble organizing what I think about this take and I think it's because while I think you're correct here, on some level I think the motivation behind horrible actions or inactions matters. In a normal situation the question "Did you think you were doing the right thing?" is an important one, but also you're entirely correct in that here there are far more important questions to be asked so focusing on that one feels like a waste

@willcrossley 3 года назад

it matters whether he thought he was doing the right thing if your goal is to decide whether he is a bad person or not - whether he should be punished. but its not relevant to whether he should have such power or whether he should be in office. A president with good intentions who constantly makes bad decisions that harm a lot of people should not be in office.

@yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад

@@willcrossley is that even correct though? Like, if a doctor makes the best possible evaluation of the medical evidence and does a surgery which ends up causing harm, I don't think we should thus conclude that he shouldn't be doing surgery anymore. On the other hand, if a quack does some unscientific nonsense that ends up causing harm, that definitely is evidence that they shouldn't be doing medicine. The motives matter because even with perfect motives sometimes you make a utilitarianly bad move.

@willcrossley 3 года назад

@@yonatanbeer3475 but in both of those examples the actual quality of the person as “good” or “bad” is irrelevant. If the quack who uses completely unscientific methods is really passionate about helping people and really thought he was doing the right thing, he still shouldnt be doing medicine. and if the doctor who follows all the right methods actually hates helping people and only does it for the money, hes still helping people so the fact that hes doing for personal gain is irrelevant.

@willcrossley 3 года назад

@@yonatanbeer3475 sorry if it wasnt clear that that was my point in my original reply

@yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад

@@willcrossley it's not about good or bad, it's about intention. If Trump was attempting to prevent a harmful panic, that tell us that he's thinking about what's best for Americans and weighing harms and risks. If he was trying to win ana election, that tells us that he's shady and not be trusted. This is relevant information for an election.

@boateye 3 года назад

Large Joelseph, back at it again!

@Rejoice. 3 года назад

How dare you tell me bad things about a bad guy

@thirstycream 3 года назад

When you lifted up your dog and went "OOOOOOOOHHHHH" that was such dad energy and it was beautiful tbh.

@Stroodleable 3 года назад

This doesn’t really engage with the actual problem at hand - you suggest that this clip shows an analyst framing the debate in terms of motivations, which allows a pro-Trump opposition to frame their response in terms of unprovable suggestions rather than the facts. But counterfactuals aren’t facts either. The alternative, “Trump lied, 250k Americans died”, gets reframed constantly as “those deaths were inevitable, and it would have been worse if Trump had been honest, as evidenced by his lying about it”. It’s not just counterfactuals either- many Trump supporters don’t believe the 250k deaths are real, and some don’t believe Covid *in general* is real. The trouble isn’t “Interference by Trump surrogates is made possible by moral framings of factual issues”. It’s “factual issues are themselves debatable/uncertain, and that interference is inevitable”. Trump’s motivation isn’t in a separate, less grounded, less provable category than facts, because there is no consensus on what “facts” are either. Your suggestion assumes a conclusion of “Trump’s lies are connected to many thousands of Americans dying”. That assumption is very clearly true, but so is, “Trump did not lie due to sincere worry for the American people”. Neither can be objectively proven to people caught in a particular narrative.

@thal08emd97 3 года назад

@celestesubieta8803 3 года назад

This is your best video and i agree wholeheartedly. The obsession with morally condemning trump's soul rather than analyzing the mechanics of power has rendered a lot of the CNN left quite impotent.

@therabitoshowrules 3 года назад

Why would you expect a news outlet to talk about the mechanics of the power structure?

@sandshark2 3 года назад

Couple this with them constantly covering the view violent blm protests and not the millions of peaceful protests - the leftwing media really does just play off of the radicalization for news

@buttercupghost 3 года назад

Oh sweet! Extra footage so I can easily identify your dog! Er- not that I’m going to steal your dog, or anything! *sweats suspiciously* N-no.... dog stealing.... here.....

@clivehandforth3531 3 года назад

Big joel deradicalized me with his videos.

@bibubbletea 3 года назад

Congrats! I’m glad you got out

@lunarmagpie619 3 года назад

Congratulations on escaping! I’m proud of you for all the hard work you did to get here, in the abstract way that one stranger can be proud of another.

@Borninxixax 3 года назад

Bread Dead Redemption

@mellow_mallow 3 года назад

im glad, spaces like that are so fucking scary, please be safe

@BlankManj5 3 года назад

@TheNewtypeMyth Everything is a cult right?

@VarianAlastair 2 года назад

We don't talk about Donald, no no no...

@thepotatoartist689 2 года назад

Thank goodness I wasn't the only one thinking this

@nelsonth 3 года назад

Mood: simping for Big Joel before America is pushed into civil war by the orange one

@thejesusaurus6573 3 года назад

Seriously, good luck to you guys tomorrow.

@overworkedcna412 3 года назад

Joel just wanted to flex his cute dog

@theGIFTcast 2 года назад

We dont talk about Donny, no no no.. but! it was elections day

@liammcnicholas918 3 года назад

Imagine inadvertently causing one of the deadliest incidents in American history because "muh ratings"

@Mdb8900 3 года назад

I’m starting to think Big Joel stole that dog.... But gosh darnit she’s just so damn cute!!!!!!!11!1

@GeeVee1978 3 года назад

I urgently need to know the name of Big Joel's dog. This is incredibly vital information

@kanjonojigoku8644 3 года назад

Joel Junior

@mizjulio 3 года назад

Totoro is the real answer, dont believe fake news

@mizjulio 3 года назад

@Christopher Stanley fake news

@theelderskatesman4417 3 года назад

Joelene. Or Doggy McJoelFace

@theelderskatesman4417 3 года назад

Or LittleBigJoel

@millabasset1710 3 года назад

I'm 27... Will live to see America's collapse is a real horror show.

@WASDLeftClick 3 года назад

Similar boat here. I’m saving as much money as I can in hopes of leaving before it gets too bad.

@bk-ql2is 3 года назад

@@WASDLeftClick i'm in. someone please start the commune groupchat

@NIHIL_EGO 3 года назад

Good luck guys.

@dwc1964 3 года назад

Me: Just spent all afternoon watching a feature-length Cody's Showdy: The Movie Big Joel: "Just a short one today..." Me: *thank you!*

@galacticbob1 3 года назад

Same. I needed this after that heart-wrenching rollercoaster of a movie. Also 🐶

@susanita5211 3 года назад

you should have held the puppy during the whole video

@ms.mittenz 3 года назад

I know you only used this video as an excuse to let us know you have a puppy. Good luck. Dem demons are hard to handle. Cute puppyyyyy :)

@doggedout 3 года назад

More frightening: When people say this moral abomination is "the new normal", it implies that we can go back to "the old normal". When has that ever happened?

@MasoTrumoi 3 года назад

As Witch Tumblr put it (and probably someone before them, dunno the source): "Not back to normal. Let's go forward to better."

@pepijnstreng4643 3 года назад

I don't think it implies that at all. I think it implies the opposite. This is normal now. Time is irreversible.

@ceelar 3 года назад

Me, an innocent fool, thinking I had escaped the grasp of foucauldian theory: Oh boy I sure can't wait to watch this Big Joel video which is about Donald Trump and definitely not about Foucault! Me, four and a half minutes into the Big Joel video about Trump: Oh darn it to heck...

@beeatles 3 года назад

The amount of times during my undergrad I thought I had come up with an amazing point and it was actually foucault.... Everything is foucault now you can't escape it

@TaraMooknee 3 года назад

7:04 you lost me. Not because your arguments weren't good, but because you brought an angel on-screen that stole the show.

@cmbxoxo 3 года назад

All the dislikes are from Gangel Stans

@Rakanishu2 3 года назад

The motive can be seen in the words. The word "Down play" hints at more than "preventing a panic". That word in political sense comes packed with the motive: "don't give the necessary attention to the issue". If DJT was truly concerned with the "panic" related costs of the issue, he would not use a term like "down play". the "play" portion of the compound word gives away the "game". He isn't concerned with the actual impacts of Covid-19, but concerned with how Covid-19 will affect his meta-game of "re-election". Panic is applied in the "stock market panic" pretense of the word. and the fact that DJT has never cared about "panic" in the Joe-everyman fighting for a pack of toiletpaper sense of the word. Never, not once. In fact, DJT has stoked panic as a political tool. It's a cornerstone of his political strategy. I mean, you could give DJT additional totally undeserved philosophical cover for lying about the pandemic. You could. Not super productive.

@itamarsalhov 3 года назад

Surprisingly good video. After what you said on twitter, I was sure your patreons would support any big joel video, and you would release it no mater how bad it is, and I was ready for the worst big joel video of all time. But it was as always, interesting and good. The name, however, is horrible. We talk about donald trump all the time. What you are saying, I think, is that we *shouldn't* talk about his soul, or something like that.

@itamarsalhov 3 года назад

@The Deozone You're probably right about that being what he meant, but I think talking about his "soul" is talking about "him" more than talking about his actions. Also i just hate the name regardless of weather or not it's accurate. I don't know why.

@therabitoshowrules 3 года назад

Vague title for clicks. Welcome to RU-vid