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Link to the tweet in the video: / 1127935564274196480
Followup Video from Wolf the Red: • @TheWisdomOfOdin (Jaco...
Link to Declaration 127: www.declaration...
SPLC article on Volkism: www.splcenter....
Recognizing Fascism in Heathenry: northofannwn.w...
Heathen youtubers for you to check out:
Wolf the Red: / @wolfthered
Wind in the World Tree: / @windintheworldtree
So for this video, we're looking at The Wisdom of Odin and some statements that he has made both in the past and recently regarding Declaration 127 and the Asatru Folk Assembly, known as the AFA.
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@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 2 года назад
Wolf the Red made a followup to this video with a lot more information, turns out things are far worse than I knew when making this video. You can see his video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aTRTZ0zfWz4.html
@josephk4310
@josephk4310 2 года назад
If you think the Ancient Norse Vikings, would tolerate Transsexuals, or even Homosexuals in their ranks, you are an idiot. These people worshipped STRENGTH, the rainbow crowd would be banished from their villages, racism is normal for Non Christians, ethnocentrism is in all peoples, it not right, but it is what it is.
@TransNeingerian
@TransNeingerian 2 года назад
Ready to admit you were fooled by the covid scam yet?
@T3actual
@T3actual 2 года назад
Ocean I fight them! Idc about who likes me or who doesn’t! You can’t condone behavior that’s morally wrong….
@johnmctavish3544
@johnmctavish3544 Год назад
@@T3actual Morals depend on the person
@T3actual
@T3actual Год назад
@@johnmctavish3544 ok. Doesn’t change what I said.
@socchikurokawa9640
@socchikurokawa9640 3 года назад
Note to self; Ocean has a scary mode. And. It. Is. Awesome. Well considered, well worded, well presented. Thank you, Ocean.
@audhumbla6927
@audhumbla6927 3 года назад
nah. calling europein ethno things racist, is racist, you wouldnt say that about other races doing the same
@T0B3Announc3d
@T0B3Announc3d 2 года назад
​@@audhumbla6927 Except you would. Paganism and Heathenry are religious in nature and not racial. We may think of it as uncommon but we don't see Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism, ect. turning away people that aren't ethnically representative of the faiths region of origin, and the same stands for Paganism and Heathenism. The AFA is at it's core a white supremacist hate group and should be recognized as such.
@audhumbla6927
@audhumbla6927 2 года назад
@@T0B3Announc3d Ur wrong. all paganism is local and specific to its people. If a native american would say that only his people can practice his belief, you wouldnt say shit, so stop having diffrent standards for whites, thats racism. Paganism is ancestral.
@wulfsorenson8859
@wulfsorenson8859 2 года назад
@@T0B3Announc3d Judaism is the most racist religion on earth lmao.
@wulfsorenson8859
@wulfsorenson8859 2 года назад
Haitian Vodoun, Santeria, Palo Mayombe are all ancestral based faiths like Norse heathenry.
@boerhcauldur1873
@boerhcauldur1873 Год назад
As someone who's recently come into exploring this path, I found him first. I appreciate you bringing this forward. With my mixed family, I am mad for not realizing this sooner.
@ChaoticScholarTX
@ChaoticScholarTX Год назад
I found him yesterday. Whoops.
@TheeAngryBear
@TheeAngryBear Год назад
I am in a similar situation
@brettmeldahl4456
@brettmeldahl4456 Год назад
Means something to me on my journey. Then I edited to add one missing letter and lost it. And thus is how it works in what we call life. The quest for the unobtainable...perfection...typically leads to going from being as close as one can get w/o being to rolling one's ass into another zip code.
@brettmeldahl4456
@brettmeldahl4456 Год назад
Sometimes I wonder if I am replying to the intended recipient!?
@themanchestercollective3616
With a mixed family you've got bigger problems.
@ruckerrc6982
@ruckerrc6982 3 года назад
I am a Black American veteran in his 50's that has always since I was a child viewed the All-Father as the face of God. I am the 5th generation of a family of Soldiers that has served in all our wars since the civil war. After watching your video's and hearing the wisdom of your thoughts I have decided to subscribe to your channel.
@VarianAlastair
@VarianAlastair 3 года назад
Hail, and know you are, without question, most welcome in this faith
@c.a.t.732
@c.a.t.732 3 года назад
Odin in called the All-Father, not the Some-Father, after all.
@hippyjoe
@hippyjoe 3 года назад
Ooga booga
@ruckerrc6982
@ruckerrc6982 3 года назад
@@hippyjoe Booga ooga. lol
@a.m928
@a.m928 2 года назад
Warrior family u have.
@FreakDaMIghet
@FreakDaMIghet 3 года назад
The thing that really bugs me about the Asatru Folk Society (aside from the obvious stuff) is their implied anti-adoption stance. Of all people, I feel the Norsemen should understand that family is more than blood.
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
@Gerrit Todd I mean adopting Loki was canonically a pretty poor decision.
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
@@cbo1244 I'm talking about the original Eddas and Sagas.
@douglas_fir
@douglas_fir 3 года назад
Bruh literal Norse/Germanic clans were all almost exclusively blood relatives/direct family what're you talking about? I mean unless you wanna' count slaves as adoption lmao.
@unicornstuffing4831
@unicornstuffing4831 3 года назад
I strongly agree, as and Icelander I was raised in a society that was (and still sometimes is) very conservative when it came to the tradition and values of our ancestors and one of the most cherished and sacred values is: Family is sacred. No matter if some one was related in blood or not, if you loved them like family, treated them like family and viewed them as family. Then they are family, and if someone dishonored or wronged one member of the family, it was viewed as a dishonor and wrong doing on all of them. Why do you think the sagas have so many blood feuds going on.
@aidenheifner5717
@aidenheifner5717 2 года назад
To quote Dom Torreto,"Family."
@saramngr
@saramngr 3 года назад
I've never considered myself to be a FAN of WoO, but I subscribed to his channel and watched most of his videos. The bigger his community grows, the more it gives off the feeling of turning more and more into a cult. I wasn't able to put my finger on it, but watching his content gave me very mixed feelings. After watching this video, I will unsubscribe WoO immediately and will share this message. This is so so so important! Thank you for putting this together!!
@rachelgordon9871
@rachelgordon9871 2 года назад
Totally agree.... only watched a couple of his videos... and just couldn't put my finger on what bothered me... but needless to say...don't watch his videos anymore... 🤷‍♀️
@dogteetharts971
@dogteetharts971 2 года назад
Yeah me too. The more I watched the more culty it got.
@Cathy1864
@Cathy1864 2 года назад
He’s giving me the vibe of someone who’s never belonged and probably was bullied and now overdoes it and gets high on power, I can’t take him seriously or respect him. Meanwhile ocean comes off as an amazing and respectable man just through his intellect and wisdom, he doesn’t have to be flashy or anything.
@brandonhorton8348
@brandonhorton8348 2 года назад
Isn't all religions a technical form of a cult tho, not starting an argument with anyone just my view on it
@Browncoat-gc6nc
@Browncoat-gc6nc 2 года назад
@@Cathy1864 Yeah gonna have to disagree with you there he had 2 females getting married at one of his gatherings .. but this video just seem to attack his choices of freedom like the Covid crap .. if your worried about Covid stay home .. Sorry but seems here Ocean is just punching down and twisting his words.. could Jacob have worded it better sure but .. Gender identity isn't fluid your one or the other that's biology ..
@anamenon-milkbased7661
@anamenon-milkbased7661 2 года назад
I used to follow Jacob when he first started the channel. He gave a warm welcome to the new people coming into heathenry while also putting a smile on my face. It hurts to have to turn my back on the dude but well, Cult leader vibes. All though I do hope he manages to see past his blindness as well as the toxic people around him.
@OriginalFallofMind
@OriginalFallofMind 2 месяца назад
You can call them toxic but atleast they stay in their lane . I find woke people patrolling and complaining about everybody else's opinions toxic. Waste of time.
@NoraMakesSounds
@NoraMakesSounds Месяц назад
@@OriginalFallofMind Woke people don't "patrol", they call out the hate where they see it on their path. Being woke simply means to be aware of social issues, so proudly, that is what I am. If your opinions are called out as toxic, you are probably hurting someone.
@rodwickdy
@rodwickdy 3 года назад
OK could someone answer this question for me! I live with a Christian and a Jewish roommate I've had many conversations about religion and recently we've had quite a few conversations about the AFA due to them being in the news more. My Jewish roommate lived in Israel for many years and she had an interesting perspective on the AFA saying that you can't truly follow "Asatru" unless you are of northern European decent.. she pointed out that many Jewish people look down or don't really consider you a true member of the Jewish tribe if you convert because membership in the tribe is solely based of your decent. She also brought up how Hasidic Jews generally don't allow marriage outside of the tribe. She also said that she believes she has a deeper connection with her god because she can trace her family back to the 12 original tribes. So my question is this..why is it acceptable for other religions or cultures to allow or not allow conversion based on ethnicity or decent but when it comes to a Northern European religion it is considered deplorable. If you are Jewish or Muslim you can usually trace your heritage back to the 12 tribes or Muhammad (ie the Saudi royalty) however many northern Europeans are also able to trace their family back to the royal family's of northern Europe (ie the Danish and Swedish royalty trace their liniage back to King Gorm the Old who claimed decent from the Volsung tribe which in turn we are told by the Saga of the Volsungs was decended from Odin.) So again where do we draw the line with what is OK and what is not acceptable?
@krispalermo8133
@krispalermo8133 3 года назад
You should have heard the non sense the Southern Baptist Church taught back in the 1980's regarding the 12 tribes, the lost tribes, and how the children of Noah populated the world. Such as the Danes are the descended of the tribe of Dan. Young Earth creationist fluff.
@BunsBooks
@BunsBooks 3 года назад
Your Jewish friend doesn’t really represent the Jewish ideology, it sounds like Zionist rhetoric to me, especially likely if she was raised in the Israeli school system where they teach the racist genetic narrative, I should know I spent time there growing up. The Ashkenazim (Slavic Jews) have used that narrative against the Mizrahim (Arab Jews) to claim ethnic superiority and establish segregated schools and neighborhoods. But there’s a reason why there’s these different “Jewish ethnic groups”, because they’re so heavily mixed with other non Semites, like Russian (Slavic) Jews, Amazigh (indigenous North African) Jews, Kurdish (Indo-Iranic) Jews, etc. these people are not even related to each other anymore. Only your mother has to be Jewish for you to be recognized, and it’s mostly the orthodox that still practice that, converts are more accepted now. The Jewish law isn’t about genetics being passed down, Judaism allows for lots mixing, it’s about upholding the cultural and religious traditions, which is a duty allocated to the mother. Many people in Europe have female Jewish ancestors, I’m German and I have them way back in my matrilineal ancestry, so by the law I could be recognized as Jewish if I wanted to, even though no one has been Jewish in my family for over 200 years. And even my best friend is half Polish (Jewish mother) and Irish, her synagogue recognizes her. And her husband is a heavily mixed Peruvian, so by Jewish law their children will be recognized as Polish-Irish-Spanish-Scottish-Quechua-Italian Jews, and will most likely be offered a “birthright” trip to Jerusalem even though they don’t have any ethnic Semitic ancestry or if they do it’s about 1% now. They would hold more genetic claim to Machu Picchu and Brú na Bóinne than to Jerusalem. That whole genetic thing is a more recent racist “one drop rule” narrative adopted by zionists to validate the colonization of the Fertile Crescent and to treat native Semitic Jews (such as Syrian Jews) like second class citizens and appropriate their specific cultures as their own. It’s equivalent to Euro-Americans being like “I’m 1/36th Cherokee so therefore I get to wear a Navajo ritual headdress”. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk
@rodwickdy
@rodwickdy 3 года назад
@@BunsBooks "Polish-Irish-Spanish-Scottish-Quechua-Italian-Jews" 🤣 excellent! Thanks for the reply I really wanted a differing opinion!
@piglice4585
@piglice4585 2 года назад
Because the white race is weak and being abused because of their weakness and naivety. Im Ulster Scottish and grew up in LA. There wasn't a day that went by where I wasn't reminded of my race. The most fervent antiracist "conservative" republicans who refuse to see race and to stick up for their own people seem to very densely populate the midwest and rural 99% white communities here in America. It is almost as it they have had it easy and havent had neighbors r*ped and killed. Be it Odin or Christ. Both better send me to hell for not fighting for my people.
@canadianpatriot5577
@canadianpatriot5577 6 месяцев назад
Because there is a war on whitey. Be ashamed and breed out your race.
@DomAnthony89
@DomAnthony89 3 года назад
So, new pagan here. Only reason I know of WoO is because the YT algorithm put him front and center in my feed. I personally found him a little too, woo woo for lack of a better term. Some information seemed ok but I kept searching being new to paganism and also being someone that likes to read and absorb information. As I've learned more I think WoO is just doing this for cash. Which by itself, ok whatever, but coupled with the AFA stuff and the seemingly predatory behavior of new pagans who are vulnerable as new pagans and will latch onto whatever "nice" face gets presented in front of them. And I think thats what this dude is doing, presenting a nice face and exploiting the vulnerable to get money while hiding his toxic behavior. Edit: I want to say thank you Ocean for being a reliable source of information. I like the historical approach of what I have seen so far. I feel I have some differing political views but nothing that couldn't be talked over and I get the feeling you'd be down for that if we were in a situation we were talking one on one about it. Regardless, I appreciate your work. What I have seen so far.
@Shuggal333
@Shuggal333 3 года назад
Thanks ocean ,someone needed to tell him his views are not our views, and he really wasn't needed in the internet anyway he had nothing too teach ,no wisdom of Odin to pass on
@wolf-cc6mj
@wolf-cc6mj 3 года назад
I always felt like he was a bit show off like and i wasn't sure what i thought abt him but after this video I've made up my mind I'm glad i found ocean first
@i.m.s.s2564
@i.m.s.s2564 3 года назад
He literally has no connection to the afa, also im guessing you havent listened to his podcast he uses alot of the donations and puts it forward to buying land for a hall.
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
@@crushinnihilism “you’re a pagan role playing as a Viking” simply means someone who is a pagan, which can refer to a broad spectrum of different faiths, is cosplaying as a Viking, which for the Norse, was a job. So essentially you’re saying “you’re a non Christian cosplaying as a Viking, just be atheist like a rational person.” Which I assume isn’t the message you were trying to send. Im a former atheist who converted to Norse paganism. I know the general atheist view of reality(obviously there’s some differences between people since atheism is not a monolith). I know that trying to convince you of the validity of my faith is a pointless endeavor, so I will not try. Instead, I’ll say this: this comment is no different from an evangelical Christian telling us to believe what they believe. Is that the energy you want to bring to a mature discussion?
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
@@crushinnihilism ah, my apologies. That comment looked suspiciously evangelical so I didn’t realize you weren’t being antagonistic
@ShotgunPlotBunnies
@ShotgunPlotBunnies 3 года назад
When he says he doesn't 'openly' support them makes it sound like he's slipping them twenties under the table or something.
@lolwutguise
@lolwutguise 3 года назад
"i don't OPENLY support them guys! not OPENLY!" *asks steven mcnallen about how to celebrate holidays on twitter*
@GrizzTheShaman
@GrizzTheShaman 3 года назад
It's just a serpents way of saying "your too stupid to read between the lines"
@Nerobyrne
@Nerobyrne 3 года назад
saying you don't openly support someone kind of means you openly support them though ... like, it implies you covertly support them, but obviously you just told everyone.
@phyllisdicks9830
@phyllisdicks9830 3 года назад
Well, he was a used car salesman before he got this gig, so...
@ShotgunPlotBunnies
@ShotgunPlotBunnies 3 года назад
@@phyllisdicks9830 I read that as "used car swordsman" XD
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
I recently converted to from atheism to Norse Paganism, and I’ve found myself on WoO’s channel a lot because I am still a beginner when it comes to the actual practices of the faith. Thank you for preemptively stopping me from going down the wrong path
@FableIVGaming
@FableIVGaming Год назад
Lol. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.
@Dice_roller
@Dice_roller Год назад
@@FableIVGaming It does, softy.
@hu5kay
@hu5kay 2 года назад
This honestly breaks my heart. I thought I finally found a group like his community to worship and practice with and I guess I didn't. Being in his discord and all that I still felt like I didn't fit in and some of the things being said gave a cult like feel to it. The group gatherings, the membership, a fundraiser for a hall, and so much more. Don't get me wrong I would love to attend those but it felt like a mini hierarchy was forming and it felt weird to me. It felt like I was back in the Mormon church, paying to worship and exist with my heathen family. Thank you for this and I'm kicking myself for not seeing this video sooner
@patrickbertlein4626
@patrickbertlein4626 10 месяцев назад
Hierarchy is not an issue, that is a fundamental, meaning inescapable, part of all society. The issue is what that hierarchy is based on.
@eminentbishop1325
@eminentbishop1325 10 месяцев назад
​@@patrickbertlein4626im always suspicious when someone says hierarchy isn't the problem lolol you're gonna need to clarify what you mean because all hierarchies have the potential of tyranny built into the framework
@victor_bueno_br
@victor_bueno_br 8 месяцев назад
@@eminentbishop1325 hierarchies are a natural part of any social structure, even if implicit. Yes, it has potential for tyranny, but it also brings order to chaos. Nothing is absolutely good or bad. There is a right dose for everything, and hierarchies are no different. A healthy hierarchy benefits everyone, while an unhealthy one turns into tyranny indeed
@eminentbishop1325
@eminentbishop1325 8 месяцев назад
@@victor_bueno_br hierarchies are not natural. Its a conceptualization of reality, not reality itself. What people define as hierarchies is just a means to organize information into a definitional framework, which in itself it can limited i.e. you defining it as a natural process when hierarchy isnt something that exist in the natural world. Its not as if animals purposely organize themselves into these systems. The systems are just tools we use to simplify complex sets of data and the hard truth is that the spectrum of truth is far wider than it can intuitively seem
@eminentbishop1325
@eminentbishop1325 8 месяцев назад
@@victor_bueno_br but i should say i dont necessarily disagree. Social systems seem to organize along those lines. How natural that is or a representation of a good for society i think is that gray area of discussion
@taproot0619
@taproot0619 3 года назад
This seriously makes me angry. I'm a naturalist atheist. But that's just me. I was SO close to being a full blown anti-theist. I wanted to say "all religion is bad. Nothing good comes from it!" But then I found you. Aliaki. Wolf the red. Calon. And it softened me. It helped me. And I love watching ya'lls content. I love learning about what you believe. You've thought through it, you've discussed it, and discovered something. I know we'll differ on just what you discovered but you have it! And it occasionally makes me pause and think "you know, there might be something to this whole god(s) thing after all." But folkists, and WoO and the AFA come in and try really hard to destroy that. They make it SO easy for an angry atheist to point to them and say "see? Paganism isn't any better than Christianity or Islam! Paganism still makes people stupid sheep that want to kill in the name of their religion too!!" These people and their actions are not only dangerous to social progress. Not only create fertile ground for potential violence. Not only dangerous to frith and pagan unity. It is also dangerous to the growth of paganism itself. For both outreach so paganism as a whole will be considered and respected, but also bringing new pagans into a safe and accepting religion where they feel comfortable and free to be who they are with the blessing of their gods. I am certain that if I found a folkist or WoO instead of you, I'd be an angry anti-theist today. And that's not OK. I don't know how much I can do or how much it matters, but you have my support in getting rid of these people. No frith with folkists.
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 3 года назад
I just read this comment and damn. This hit me. Thanks for your words.
@taproot0619
@taproot0619 2 года назад
@Trinity M you must be new. The "violent sheep" comment in reference to the Abrahamic religions is a common argument used by anti-theists to try to discredit religion. It is common, and thus well known, especially in the atheists spheres. (A place Ocean frequents.) I do not agree with that take as I am not an anti-theist. And obviously, I didn't exactly go into the nuance of the argument because frankly, it didn't matter. The point wasn't that the argument was valid its that anti-theists will use folkism to try to strengthen the argument. If you want to talk legitimacy of religion, we can do that. If you want to talk about harm that religion does, or harm that people do in the name of religion, we can talk about that too. But that's not the conversation being had. The conversation being had is simply that folkism gives anti-theists more ammunition to be dicks to religious people and I don't like that. So folkism needs to not. Hence no frith with folkists.
@moralityisnotsubjective5
@moralityisnotsubjective5 2 года назад
No matter where you go and no matter what group you associate with at some point you are going to run into bad people because there are good and bad in all groups. That is something you should probably keep in mind. The best thing you can do is find a group of people you can stand and hang out with them. You don't all have to think and believe the exact same things. I don't trust groupthink and hive minds myself, but as long as there is respect and open, honest communication that is the important thing.
@oceanberserker
@oceanberserker Год назад
@Trinity M Buddy. As a member of the Faith, I just have this to say: read through the post again. Properly, this time.
@ArithHärger
@ArithHärger 3 года назад
Thank you very much, this is very useful indeed Thank you for your work.
@serpentscoil326
@serpentscoil326 3 года назад
Hell yeah Arith over here.
@inputimmersion9577
@inputimmersion9577 5 месяцев назад
Obviously when you say 'we don't condone that shit' you don't speak for everyone, and yet seem to be angry by that fact? Weird.
@thevermillionjacket7225
@thevermillionjacket7225 2 года назад
Even with his mistake and poor practices, I do have to thank him for helping me in my early days of the faith, which did in turn lead me to you. It is sad to see someone go down a path of poor decisions. But I am glad to be informed of his mistakes before I got lost in them myself. Thank you.
@jayisundead2887
@jayisundead2887 2 года назад
@Anglo-Saxon believing in something like gods or mythology is literally belief / faith what are you on about
@bjrnjordan4374
@bjrnjordan4374 2 года назад
you cant say, that ones practice is poor thats wrong
@Aliakai
@Aliakai 3 года назад
Incredible work Ocean. Anyone who doubted that The Wisdom Of Odin was adjacent to folkists and fine with allying with them can't deny it now. Your evidence is pretty damn foolproof. Good work. No xenia with folkists!
@mattimus1979
@mattimus1979 3 года назад
Is being folkist akin to AFAs separatist practices? Or is it the same thing?
@sambishop9856
@sambishop9856 3 года назад
@@mattimus1979 Same thing
@ragnarblobarr9567
@ragnarblobarr9567 3 года назад
I’m truly gladdened to know I have a brother who thinks like me. Just found you! Already a fan brother.
@TheYoungWolfI
@TheYoungWolfI 3 года назад
Agreed. It's really nice to hear all this.
@aaronhuntsman7176
@aaronhuntsman7176 Год назад
i agree
@iagree6677
@iagree6677 Год назад
@@aaronhuntsman7176 yes? What do you want?
@milkywayraspberryrum1271
@milkywayraspberryrum1271 2 года назад
I just came across this video and have been watching your channel to get a better understanding of norse heathenry (my boyfriend is a heathen and is actually on your discord server). I greatly appreciate this video as one of the things that made me, as a Jewish person, incredibly nervous when my SO started exploring heathenry was the ties it has had to the alt right. He actually told me about this video and I've come to see so many heathens speaking out about the AFA and it's put me so much at ease. I also just want to be as supportive as I can.
@ashwilliams3845
@ashwilliams3845 3 года назад
As a lifelong atheist who has recently been teetering on the edge of finding some form of faith stumbling across your videos while searching for intersectional pagans, I really can’t thank you more for making your stances on racism, nationalism, homophobia, and responsibility to your community so clearly and firmly stated. So, seriously, thank you so very much. I’m glad I came across your channel.
@whilliamnilsson6788
@whilliamnilsson6788 Год назад
ou do know that Vikings didn't accept LGBT+ People, It was considered an insult, If you google the word "Eigir" you'll learn how Vikings nor Oden would accept a trans or LGBT person into asgard, You were given your gender by the gods when you were born and it should stay that way, stop trying to be special. It doenst matter what these people think, History is History and you would've been killed for you actions back in the day. You're young and ignorant, you'll grow out of it, but dont expect Allfather to turn his eye towards you until you accept who you are, which is the gender you were born with. It pisses me off that people like you "Look into Paganism" You're the ones making our religon look like a joke to the outside world and you are the reason we'll never be taken serious, If you're a man Thor will beat his hammer until you find yourself back to your masculinity and if you're a woman, may Freja guide you back to your Nurturing and Loving Feminine side. End of Discussion. Sincerely Whilliam Nilsson
@RobCamp-rmc_0
@RobCamp-rmc_0 Год назад
and that’s what turns people away from faith, as I have, even as a straight cis male. If that is how the gods really are, they deserve nothing more than sneering contempt, and you deserve even less than that. This is how the gods really die, they simply outlive their usefulness. After all, _we_ created _them,_ not the other way around, and we just as easily snuff them out. Götterdämmerung, literally.
@ellie_ex
@ellie_ex 3 года назад
After finishing the video I gotta say; As a trans pagan of sorts myself, Your stance on this and trans members of the community warms me
@quixotiq
@quixotiq 3 года назад
SO SAY WE ALL. 100%
@BeastGuardian
@BeastGuardian 3 года назад
As another trans person, I couldn't agree more!
@Rob-ExMachina
@Rob-ExMachina 3 года назад
There is no room for Transphobia in paganism
@switchkill88
@switchkill88 3 года назад
@@Rob-ExMachina there is no room for transphobia, period.
@hippyjoe
@hippyjoe 3 года назад
@@switchkill88 🤥🤥🕍✡️🕎👖🔥
@matthewsteele5229
@matthewsteele5229 3 года назад
Don’t let anyone think of this as political. This is a human rights issue, and I’m glad to see heathenry taking a stand in ways that most other religions haven’t. As a Satanist, I’ve looked to reconstructionist pagans for a lot of inspiration for ritual and nonchristian values. YT sent me to woo first and until this campaign from ocean, aliakai and red, I just thought the weird vibes were coming from a faith I didn’t share. I’m glad to see heathens fighting for compassion, truth, and justice. I’m glad to see that paganism is taking charge of its modern moral core. Hail Satan, hail the Gods, and Skol.
@jaygarrison7848
@jaygarrison7848 3 года назад
According to a video by youtuber arith harger there's something called "Thorsatru" that he describes as a form of Norse Satanism. Check out his channel because he really knows his stuff about most all things Norse and lives in a Nordic country and though he speaks in English I am unable to tell what country he is from. He is just as knowledgeable as Dr Jackson Crawford
@Raztiana
@Raztiana 3 года назад
@Slade Viscus, you do know that Satanism is not devil-worship, right? Getting one religion in and another out doesn't happen over night. I highly doubt it was allowed, but people don't change religion like they change clothes.
@1987ashgriff
@1987ashgriff 3 года назад
@Slade Viscus so if it took wars to convert people were the two religions really allowed to be practiced together? The Catholic Church at the time was pretty clear in its stance.
@1987ashgriff
@1987ashgriff 3 года назад
@Slade Viscus cool. That's interesting. I don't know much about Scandinavian history tbh. The cluster of islands west of Scandinavia I call home is my forte 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 I do know a bit about satanism however, I saw you asked higher up. Satanism is generally a non theistic philosophy based around self sovereignty and rebellion against non serving dogmatic beliefs or institutions. Satan is just used an archetype that embodies those values.
@MrEnaric
@MrEnaric 3 года назад
@Slade Viscus Sometimes our ancestors allied or traded with the gods, but they didn't have to submit to them. 'Trua á eigin mákt og megin' once meant: 'Believing in ones own might and power'. It is a concept found in the sagas that meaning one was not limited by the Gods nor necessarily forwarded by them, though they were acknowledged as supreme 'other than human beings'. Thetefor, Follow your path with confidence like our ancestors did. ;)
@casualsasquatch7417
@casualsasquatch7417 Год назад
Thank you for this eye opening WoO was the first hethan content channel I came across well I was referred to them by a friend. Anyway I'm glad to be here to experiance your content. I find the structer of your videos and the way you speak to be quite captivating and well thought out and organized. Thank you for the information ocean.
@Cole205
@Cole205 7 месяцев назад
If only Japanese can truly be Shinto, why shouldn't only Germanics be Asatru?
@AetherTales
@AetherTales 3 года назад
Every time another anti-racist video comes out about Wisdom of Odin, there's another damning piece of evidence against him. Thanks for all your tireless work on this, Ocean.
@RazeAVillage
@RazeAVillage 3 года назад
Yeah, this was new to me yesterday. As I learn more... I'm like.... fuck, another racist asshat.
@userfriendly9794
@userfriendly9794 3 года назад
What's wrong with pride in one's people?
@RazeAVillage
@RazeAVillage 3 года назад
@@userfriendly9794 Even though you are a troll, I'm going to respond. Nobody said there was anything wrong with "pride in your people", and you know that. What you just said is a strawman and clearly arguing in bad faith. My people come in all different colors, shapes, sizes, sexual and gender orientations, religions, not-religions, outlooks on life, lifestyles, careers, even social classes. I judge people based upon who that are, their deeds, thoughts, feelings, desires, certainly not the amount of Melanin in their skin. Like what the hell, man? You are dumb enough to imply it but aren't honest enough to just say it. I see. The rest of the commenters see it. It's not clever. It's dumb and dishonest. Stop. Do better, or stay out of conversations when adults are talking. There. Now sit down and shut up.
@HeathWatts
@HeathWatts 3 года назад
@@userfriendly9794 Who are your people? All people are my people. My people first lived in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Since then, they've spread throughout the world. Some of them are good people and some of them are bad. However, their morality, intelligence, and goodness has nothing to do with their skin color, gender, or religion.
@njordymir9078
@njordymir9078 3 года назад
@@HeathWatts Ohh... morality have to do with religion, in som religion its ok to hit your wife and in other its not ok to hit your wife.
@ZalrokChaos1
@ZalrokChaos1 3 года назад
No frith with Nazis!
@justinkirschenman2232
@justinkirschenman2232 Год назад
In his reply he stated that everyone has the right to do as they please with their own body. It sounds more like you want Trans worship, not Trans rights or acceptance.
@Cinnabane
@Cinnabane 3 года назад
This is a great video especially since YT pushes his videos on Norse paganism. I recently started looking into Norse paganism and watching some WoO videos did nothing sit right with me. Coincidentally afterwards I came across Aliakai and her video which confirmed my suspicions.
@DomAnthony89
@DomAnthony89 3 года назад
Hey, I've got a similar experience. Its like a BS detector went off listening to him.
@DAZEY_iz_healing
@DAZEY_iz_healing 3 года назад
I recommend downloading the app "Pagan and Witches Amino" its helped me.
@bravoravenofpestilence1161
@bravoravenofpestilence1161 3 года назад
Alikais video on this subject was recommended to me like right after a video I watched of him disturbed me. The gods know what they’re doing.
@thewarlocke5303
@thewarlocke5303 3 года назад
Yeah his vids seemed kinda cool at first but the more I watched the more something has started to feel a little off. At first I thought he was just a bit of a show-boating type, and he seemed maybe a bit arrogant. I had not gotten to any of his videos where he said any of the stuff sited in this video though, and just..... wow. I'm not familiar with Aliakai, I'll have to take a look at her vids.
@I_scribbles
@I_scribbles 3 года назад
I watched one full episode and a couple segments of his channel and had too much cringy creepy crawlies to go any further, not to mention he just sounds like a dick.
@christianjones1889
@christianjones1889 3 года назад
Hey all, what are some non-problematic Heathen RU-vidrs y’all would recommend? There’s Ocean and Wolf, obviously, but for people new to Heathenry (Hi everyone), it can be kind of difficult to sort out the bad apples...
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 3 года назад
@Kyladescope I can vouch for Wind in the Worldtree personally. He's a good man and extremely intelligent and thoughtful in his observations.
@hekateon.ioannis.lasorsa
@hekateon.ioannis.lasorsa 3 года назад
Arith Härger
@Hazelpuddles
@Hazelpuddles 3 года назад
Sarenth Odinsson is good too.
@ProWalter2
@ProWalter2 3 года назад
Skaldi is a good one
@mendolynskye
@mendolynskye 3 года назад
As mentioned by others Arith Harger has great factual historical info, and he has openly addressed many of the issues talked about here regarding ancient Norse attitudes on homosexuality and gender as being nothing like AFA. If you want in depth information from a truly intelligent and kind person you’ll like him.
@jaydemerch7957
@jaydemerch7957 3 года назад
The only problem I have with this video is it’s fishing,and you are making it all about he had to make his thoughts or feelings known for your benefit and your feelings,if I was Jacob I would ignore you because it’s a religion channel and obviously you want it to be a political channel,or you could be mad that he makes more money then you and in a shorter period of time became more popular and better well known,either way you should keep your thoughts and feelings to yourself because I ignore the racism and the AFA and my feelings on the politics shouldn’t matter to others just like yours don’t.
@PoutineProwler
@PoutineProwler 3 года назад
My first introduction to Heathenry was WoO(Yes, I know he and his lot are Asatru) then I got a good feel for his community and dipped. I found your videos shortly after and they are quite helpful.
@matt625
@matt625 3 года назад
I have been apart of the Heathen community for a year now and for the last two months I was a Patreon member of Wisdom of Odin. I was blinded by the need for a community and did not pick up on the way Jacob talked and how he discussed certain topics until I was shown Aliakai's video about 3 days ago. I then began looking at your videos along with Red the Wolf. I thank you for this information because I was introduced to Heathenry when I worked in corrections and saw it used as a white supremacists movement. I have worked very hard this last year when I told people I was Heathen to make sure they understood that I support all sexual orientations and races because I would be asked about that alot when people found out about my path in the old ways. So again thank you for the information and I look forward to obtaining more knowledge from open minded Heathens.
@OrganisedChaosHere
@OrganisedChaosHere 3 года назад
I have to congratulate you on being able to acknowledge where you made mistakes or didn't spot red flags. That can be really difficult. Ocean's discord (Ocean's Hold) is an excellent place to start with a solid community.
@kassietheobald9165
@kassietheobald9165 3 года назад
@@OrganisedChaosHere do you know how to join? I made similar mistakes for the same reasons
@OrganisedChaosHere
@OrganisedChaosHere 3 года назад
@@kassietheobald9165 If you look in the description of any of the omnipotent beard podcast episodes, there's a link labelled discord. That link should let you join. There's a pretty active entry point to chat in which is a few channels while the mods get a feel for you (protects us against bigots) and once you get past that point the server is a whole lot bigger.
@dseelenmagie8811
@dseelenmagie8811 3 года назад
OK, I've got an honest hard question... I've never been to a group blot, but I've been a practicing pagan for about 2yrs now. Why can't all of us just be fine with our ancestors? Why do my "white" germanic ancestors matter, to anyone else but me? If your "black", are your ancestors not just as important to you? Whatever you are, wherever your from, is important, because it's what you come from. Can we not all respect that and praise that idea. And give reverence to all ancestors? Why does one have to be more "true" than the other to some people?? Why the comparison? You do you and I do me, and we respect each other when we meet for dinner or blót, what's so hard about that?
@dseelenmagie8811
@dseelenmagie8811 3 года назад
BTW, I think mostly ancestors matter most when you know/remember them specifically. I do not know King Harold, other than stories, so... what would this matter if I was relation without knowledge of that ancestor specifically?
@fritjofvalerijs800
@fritjofvalerijs800 3 года назад
I think the problem here is even AFA say you do you and i do me, they do not seek to impose their worldview on anyone but themselves, they just want to remain separate and isolated like many faiths, especially Native American ones which were a big influence on McNallen. This video condemning them however is trying to force other people to conform with their beliefs and worldview
@kalinora3901
@kalinora3901 3 года назад
@@fritjofvalerijs800 I agree. If a bunch of people want to form a spiritual or religious group that excludes certain people, ok; let them. As long as they're not forcing people to join them and don't abuse or attack others, I see no problem. I feel that attacking these sort of groups only validates, in their eyes, any concerns or fears they may have. If they want to separate themselves from others, peacefully, let them. In a way, making videos condemning a group I probably would not have found out about otherwise is just free advertising for them.
@seinenno
@seinenno 2 года назад
@@kalinora3901 Interesting view which should be discussed at a table, because I do see your point as well as I can understand ppl feeling threatened by this group. I'm with you though that I wouldn't have heard about the AFA most likely without some of Ocean's videos and me personally, I couldn't care less about them.
@johnmccarron7066
@johnmccarron7066 Год назад
The issue with this is when honoring your ancestors turns into thinking that your skin color makes you superior to every different skin color out there. Groups like the AFA with racially exclusionist philosophies rarely stop at 'merely' being exclusionist, and often act as a foundation to more extremist views and possible activities; it's not a coincidence that many members of the AFA have also been found to be members of more radical Volkish and supremacist organizations (and are a big reason for the rise of heathen symbols among neo-Nazi and fascist groups).
@DaVoDeTh
@DaVoDeTh 2 года назад
Thank you for this, i am very new to norse paganism but i come from punk rock and this is a very similiar fight the struggles of true skinheads. Thank you for this information, I feel much more confident and welcomed as a queer person. This honestly means a lot. ❤
@agentdecibel8284
@agentdecibel8284 2 года назад
I understand your disgust with his refusal to stand against the AFA, but does he not have the right of association like everyone else?
@paigebartlett9650
@paigebartlett9650 3 года назад
I went into this video as WoO fan, but after this, I sadly can't watch and support Jacob any more. I will say, He has some good videos, But he has some shitty associations that I simply can't stand by or even try to justify. This is very disheartening information to hear.
@thegamingmartian8511
@thegamingmartian8511 3 года назад
I’m the exact same as you, but glad I know this info now so I don’t waste my time as a new pagan
@konorroden9200
@konorroden9200 3 года назад
I'm in the same boat. I even recommend him and I've just finished sharing this video with those people and hope they follow suit and stop support him.
@VarianAlastair
@VarianAlastair 3 года назад
Same. I've been on this path for 11 years and stumbled across Jacob's work a few months ago. I've watched the majority of his videos but had not listened to the podcasts, and I am not active on twitter, so I missed this troubling information. I'm sure Ocean ended up in my recommends because of WoO, and I'm wary of new sources but his "Viking puppers" video won me over :D Yes, Fenrir is a good doggo. I've since subscribed here and been exploring the channel - and honestly I've actively avoided this video while I determined whether I felt I could trust Ocean's content. Here I am, and I am shocked and dismayed. I have enjoyed Jacob's conversational style and the relative safety and casual nature of his video topics (something I can watch without feeling the overwhelming urge to take notes). Not sure I'll stay there much longer, at minimum I won't be recommending his work to anyone until he speaks out on this topic
@herkles5416
@herkles5416 3 года назад
feeding the algorithm time: no frith with folkists!
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
I don't understand this at all. Every single compendium of sagas is going to have at least one that explicitly talks about blonde or red hair and fair skin as beautiful features. Phylogeny is literally embedded into the literature at even the most obvious levels. There's even a story about a mother who can't love her son because he's born with dark skin but loves him when his curse is lifted and turns white lmao
@no_name1107
@no_name1107 3 года назад
@@Arnaere Carl Jung wrote a published essay explaining how during WW2, The German people and leaders were the embodiment of Wodenaz in soul, spirit, and physicality. These people will never feel true POWER of Wodan, because they suppress him under the name of being "non - racist" or "diverse". Sorry, but Native European (WHITES) can have their native religion too. I will not apologize for any of that.
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
@@no_name1107 I wasn't aware of Jung's work on that matter. That's interesting!
@scotcompston
@scotcompston 3 года назад
@@Arnaere what story?
@scotcompston
@scotcompston 3 года назад
If it was black people, or people of color saying the same thing, would you have a problem with it? If not then you are a racist. You cannot be against One race, and not all of them or you are a racist. Racism is the hateful focus on race, and that's what all of you are doing right now. There is no such thing as inherent racism LOL that's ridiculous. That means anyone that tries to promote their own race makes them a racist? No you're saying just white people and that makes you a racist.
@Hazelthenerd
@Hazelthenerd Год назад
Thank you for sharing this information, I am new to Norse paganism and I’m lgbtq. So I’m trying to find my place here, this helps a ton.
@Supernimo735
@Supernimo735 Год назад
Look, some pagans are pro LGBTQ while some are anti LGBTQ
@dapperspaghettimonster
@dapperspaghettimonster Год назад
Welcome! I'm not new but I'm part lgbtq as well. Glad to see more Lgbtqia+ coming into heathenry, you don't stand alone in this!
@Supernimo735
@Supernimo735 Год назад
@@dapperspaghettimonster also there was this capitol rioter that is heathen I think and hes a republican. Also the Nazis were very supportive of paganism since they liked their roots.
@Hazelthenerd
@Hazelthenerd Год назад
@@dapperspaghettimonster thank you so much !
@Supernimo735
@Supernimo735 Год назад
@@Hazelthenerd please don't ignore my comment you ignorant
@alexhansen2855
@alexhansen2855 3 года назад
as a dane, i find this butchering of my and my ancestors belifs wildly offensive to me. (dane, from denmark, in scandinavia) if any was wondering. good vid my dude
@neurohackstv5723
@neurohackstv5723 3 года назад
As a fellow Dane, I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing in the sagas or Eddas mention Volkish rhetoric. There are many archeological finds of Viking Corpses of other ethnicities, meaning being a Viking was more so cultural than ethnic.
@trevorjohnson935
@trevorjohnson935 3 года назад
As an American who just started practicing.. my sincerest apologies for my shithead country. I wanted to connect with my ancestors and find some sense of identity outside of my Christian upbringing and I’ve been utterly distrusted learning how it’s practiced here in the states. I live in the northwest, in one of the most progressive and accepting cities in the country, and everyday I see ravens. I do not think this is a coincidence. I believe the Aesir are with those who worship regardless of anything else.
@BeastGuardian
@BeastGuardian 3 года назад
@@neurohackstv5723 not to mention that there have been graves found with people who were at very least gender nonconforming if not somewhere on the transgender/non-binary spectrum.
@BeastGuardian
@BeastGuardian 3 года назад
@The Bearded Dragon gender nonconforming just refers to people who do not conform to cultural gender norms, so like a woman doing an assumed male task like joining a raiding force, they are still women. We call them tomboys nowadays. No need to be offended, it's not a new idea. Here I was quoting the interpretations of grave goods by professional archaeologists in reference to female warriors being explicitly buried with grave goods associated with male warriors and not shield maidens and regular female warriors. There have also been viking graves of non-combatant males buried in female clothing and with female-associated goods. These people may have just been defying gender roles or they may have been what we call transgender now. There have also been rare graves associated with individuals with a mix of gendered grave goods. We also know from text that Loki's gender descriptors and pronouns change when in a female form, indicating explicite gender fluidity, compared to when Thor disguised as a woman, but still referred to explicitly as male. It is hard to say much on people being explicitly transgender, nonbinary, or gender fluid, especially as these explicit descriptors are recent. There is an enormous body of evidence of what we call transgender and nonbinary people existing throughout human history in non-viking cultures. Gender variance was generally better tolerated in pre-Judeo-Christian cultures. Because of this, gender variance and gender role defiance was demonized in Judeo-Christian holy texts. Generally, if a group is not othered or demonized, humans don't come up with special words for them, since they're seen as unusual parts of the norm. (Also, the exisrence of transgender people is not a load of bull. It is well documented that there are metabolic and physical brain morphology differences between pretreatment transgender and cisgender people, biology says non-cisgender people are real). I know that the existence of transgender people is the hot new culture war, but that doesn't mean that we might possibly have existed among the viking population.
@BeastGuardian
@BeastGuardian 3 года назад
@The Bearded Dragon oh, yes, women serving in the Marines would be considered gender-nonconforming as it's not commonly expected for a woman to enter military service, and usually actively discouraged. This has nothing to do with her brain's gender or her instinctual sexual preferences.
@lolwutguise
@lolwutguise 3 года назад
Sacrificing this post to the algorithm as engagement 🔥🤷🔥
@scandigrind4940
@scandigrind4940 3 года назад
Well said! No Frith to the Folkists!
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
The very literature as recorded, or even quoted from the Christian clerics, is explicitly racist. If you didn't play Skyrim you would be advocating the burning of the Sagas.
@runemasterhariwulfaz5267
@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 3 года назад
We never asked for your frith liberal
@Arnaere
@Arnaere 3 года назад
@@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 Be my runemaster.
@runemasterhariwulfaz5267
@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 3 года назад
@@Arnaere always :)
@starrychloe
@starrychloe Год назад
Don’t need to her about woke BS.
@Dice_roller
@Dice_roller Год назад
This isn’t “WOKE” snowflake.
@user-ek4ic2ip9e
@user-ek4ic2ip9e Год назад
This is a pretty unsophisticated criticism, consisting mostly of canned Woke clichés and "None of my friends likes you"-style groupthink. A small example, but claiming "We believe gender is not a social construct" is _transphobic_ is highly intellectually disingenuous, but sadly typical social media fodder. That perspective is simply the other side of the opinion scale on a controversial socio-biological claim. Are you thus claiming that only one opinion (conveniently, your own) is acceptable on this matter? Indeed the whole (fill-in-the-blank)phobic construction has been widely debunked as a low-brow shame tactic, which functions essentially to bully a point through by claiming any who believe contrary are irrationally fearful (the literal definition of phobic). As in, "I think maintaining a healthy body weight is a good life decision." "Oh, so you're fat-phobic." "Oh okay, you're right, I don't believe that anymore, thanks." Also, weird take calling the AFA _misogynistic_ (yet another typical sound-byte) when the post you are referencing on-screen literally says "We celebrate our feminine ladies." Doesn't sound much like hatred or prejudice toward women to me... I could go on, but...well one more: have you not noticed how people like yourself seem so bothered that an organization celebrates white lives and indigenous white culture, yet oddly never seem to mind literal advertising campaigns, Netflix channels, Google themes etc. that proudly proclaim the "Beauty and power of black voices", raising up "Black perspectives, black lives, black stories" etc? Don't reflexively dismiss that double-standard. Why is one more acceptable to you than the other? Especially when these groups like the AFA are advancing an indigenous religion that was virtually wiped out by the Christian church. Heathenism _is_ a marginalized indigenous religion. Lumping them in with mean ol' slave-owning Whitey on the basis of skin color alone, I imagine is the reason. Yet it wasn't Pagan Icelanders owning slaves; indeed, they were more-often captives and slaves themselves thanks to the Barbary Pirates and the Ottoman slavers.
@BlackDoomsOpinion
@BlackDoomsOpinion Год назад
Underrated comment.. A lot of Oceans followers don't have critical thinking.
@rapecelnationalist
@rapecelnationalist Год назад
@@BlackDoomsOpinion its because they are all counter-wank redditors who aren't actually interested in debunking folkish germanic polytheism without incurring the word "racism."
@BlackDoomsOpinion
@BlackDoomsOpinion Год назад
@@rapecelnationalist "Counter-wank redditors" lmao
@rapecelnationalist
@rapecelnationalist Год назад
@@BlackDoomsOpinion Sensational correctionism would probably better fit the "beliefs" that these supposed polytheists assume. It is a derivation of moral correction espoused by Christian theology, and is, in my opinion, utterly alien to germanic thought.
@BlackSheepNara
@BlackSheepNara Год назад
Oh look, a hug box
@Wolfparadox
@Wolfparadox 3 года назад
Ummm "the afa keep to themselves" not really, had M.N and members of the afa attack my Celtic group on fb because we openly welcome gays
@Raztiana
@Raztiana 3 года назад
Someone doesn't know their own mythology then. For example when Loki turned himself into a female horse and gave birth to Sleipner, Odin's eight-legged horse. It doesn't seem very LGBT-unfriendly.
@aidanpaim805
@aidanpaim805 3 года назад
@@georgegrimnirsson2017 well, it's a social group and have a structure so... what's the problem? Of course it's different from having a real life group but it's still a way of studying and socialize.
@1987ashgriff
@1987ashgriff 3 года назад
Hey, just wanted to say don't worry about that troll trolling your group structure. They probably have no social life to speak of at all 😂
@TaurusSystem
@TaurusSystem 3 года назад
@@1987ashgriff Agreed.
@TaurusSystem
@TaurusSystem 3 года назад
@@aidanpaim805 Just was going to ask if you had joined Ocean's discord yet, I'd like to know more about this group.
@PB24971
@PB24971 3 года назад
I’m not Heathen but I’m fascinated by the religion and love learning more. What you said about WoO was facts man, we need more good people like you in the world, period.
@OriginalFallofMind
@OriginalFallofMind 11 месяцев назад
Well then you are not learning, just joining the mobs.
@laeodiel4023
@laeodiel4023 2 года назад
I'm still a bit of a Heathen hatchling right now, and I started my research and experience in the community through woo and I became a patron and signed up for the yule gathering but as of recent I've been discovering videos left and right exposing woo and his community, thank you for opening my eyes to the truth about woo and leading me to canceling my patron subscription and leaving his discord server
@RavensGazedwb
@RavensGazedwb 3 года назад
He claims to have had a vision of Odin telling him to "gather the folk." 🙄 Yeah, ok, guy
@proudsaiyanprince2651
@proudsaiyanprince2651 2 года назад
His name is Jacob. Idk why that makes me laugh as hard as it does.
@lizabethhampton4537
@lizabethhampton4537 2 года назад
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 I looked up what Jacob meant as a name and now I'm laughing too! :D
@levitatingoctahedron922
@levitatingoctahedron922 3 месяца назад
heaven forbid someone has a religious experience when practicing a religion. you're just an atheist LARPer.
@luchadorelmachomalo
@luchadorelmachomalo 3 года назад
Man keep up the great work. WoO pushes innacurate information which took me months to find out by myself. I applaud you and Aliakai for being courageous for speaking the truth. Wassail!
@alfredharrison597
@alfredharrison597 3 года назад
Which "inaccurate information" exactly?
@luchadorelmachomalo
@luchadorelmachomalo 3 года назад
@@alfredharrison597 pretty much everything. All the information he quotes from either come from outdated books with outdated innacurate information or is his personal take on aspects of the faith that don't match to what the history and texts state. And worse he is racist.
@fritjofvalerijs800
@fritjofvalerijs800 3 года назад
@@luchadorelmachomalo Oh no not the 'R' word. Pretty much everything in heathenry and paganism is peoples interpretations and opinions on text that even the oldest, were second and third hand accounts of stories
@legendswarble2845
@legendswarble2845 3 года назад
Well damn. Ocean's got an intimidating streak to him. He's usually so calming that I didn't see that coming. It was a necessary point though. While unity is a largely good thing, there are some people you just can't afford to unify with as is. Besides, bigotry is inherently exclusionary. Unifying with them in excluding everyone they are bigoted against. Thank you Ocean. As a minority myself, it means lot to see you take a stand for us. ❤
@satyrsak
@satyrsak 2 года назад
@Bean Oak There is nothing intelligent about you! (Ocean struck a nerve, snowflake?)
@iagree6677
@iagree6677 2 года назад
"intimidating" LOL
@edwardofengland2993
@edwardofengland2993 Год назад
This is a question intended directly for Mr Keltoi. Please explain this to me, what do you mean when you say the word "racist"? Would you mind defining this word for me? Further to this, are you against the notion that people of the many European races, "white" people, as you and Mr McNallen put it, should have a right to exist in their own homelands? Do you believe that we are morally wrong to attempt to establish a perimeter around ourselves, delineating ourselves from the rest of the world, who may follow suit or not as they wish, for the purpose of the preservation of our traditional culture and racial diversity?
@fritjofvalerijs800
@fritjofvalerijs800 3 года назад
Part of the issue of perception is these terms are too loosely thrown around. 'Transphobic, mysoginistic, ethnocentric' etc. Many faiths around the world would fall under those categories, not least many Native Americans who exclude all people from their ceremonies who are not 'one of them' No one would call the Native Americans racist for keeping their faith exclusive and isolated, the only reason to level the accusations at the AFA is modern lefty political correctness. Let them do their own thing, is a measured stance. We need to challenge them disavow them etc, is not when you would not give the same treatment to the many other faiths and groups that claim the same sort of ideas. Heathenry becoming Woke and adhering to radical left wing ideologies undermines it like it undermines all organisations it creps into
@jasonGamesMaster
@jasonGamesMaster 3 года назад
You know, people like you make me realize just how stupid the majority of humanity really is. And by that, I mean you specifically and people who think like you.
@notme9816
@notme9816 Год назад
Amen brother, you said what I was thinking while listening to the video and reading ( most ) of the comments. I grew up in Norway and I'm happy my parents gave me an old Norwegian name ( Ottar ).Why can all other groups claim exlusivity, and be applauded for it, but if you're a white European you're racist?
@thewookie6287
@thewookie6287 3 года назад
This is the first time I've heard of any of these people or the AFA. Then again I'm British and my focus has been on reading the eddas and learning about the Gods
@redwolf7929
@redwolf7929 3 года назад
Hey wookie, I'd stick to that ,these organisations are just nuts
@Just_Call_Me_Tim
@Just_Call_Me_Tim 3 года назад
@The Wookie Good focus, my friend! That's my own, as well.
@metalmindedmaniac2587
@metalmindedmaniac2587 3 года назад
Same bro because when things become huge and organized things branch out and big problems occur just keeping doing what your doing be yourself by yourself is the best way.
@sabeydanielgmailcom
@sabeydanielgmailcom 3 года назад
This is the first instance of the AFA being brought to my attention as well and I am deeply disturbed that they have such an appaling view of this kind. Honestly I was unaware that issues of this kind existed in heathen society.
@thewookie6287
@thewookie6287 3 года назад
@@sabeydanielgmailcom I'm kinda the same. I was aware that the NatSocs and WS had seized some symbols and used the Gods in "heretical ways" but I wasn't aware of a formal organisation doing it until I watched this
@justletmecommentffs
@justletmecommentffs 3 года назад
I was apart of WoO patreon and discord for a few months before one day I cancelled everything and left without a word. I have never personally spoken to Jacob but there is a vibe in his groups and with his content that is very specific. I felt like I had to follow Jacob's path of paganism to fit in. If you aren't in the clique then what you have to say is overlooked and I was left feeling degraded and confused. Luckily I've been sucked into spiritual blackholes before and pulled myself out pretty easy but I can imagine that new pagans and lonely practitioners really let this type of thing flood their mind. It's a sticky situation that's for sure
@trevorjrooney
@trevorjrooney 3 года назад
No frith with folkists! Love it.
@spamloverislandboy
@spamloverislandboy Год назад
What's wrong with the 14 words?
@tagekoolander
@tagekoolander 11 месяцев назад
Nothing, white people have a right to exist This guy is antiwhite
@jeepershangouts2043
@jeepershangouts2043 Год назад
Using the SPLC as guidance is a major fault line.
@Shinseidono89
@Shinseidono89 3 года назад
Didn't really have much of an opinion of the guy (only seen maybe 5 of his videos) but I'm glad this is being brought up. At least the RU-vid algorithm is finally recommended channels from more communities of Heathens. Prior to this I had no idea your channel existed. I look forward to seeing more from your channel.
@12yearoldscotch
@12yearoldscotch 3 года назад
Bigotry is objectionable however there is nothing wrong with expressing concern about how Europeans are losing their homelands
@coleyyy704
@coleyyy704 Год назад
Thank the Gods for this video and all the resources listed. Sometimes this ocean of information is difficult to navigate, especially when you’re new. Thanks so much.
@lokitheacrocanthosaurus8240
@lokitheacrocanthosaurus8240 3 месяца назад
Thank you so much. My girlfriend is transgender and a Germanic Pagan, and I really appreciate you standing up for people like her. ✌
@clydecalamity6520
@clydecalamity6520 Месяц назад
Buddy, I got news for your ass.
@ariuswillow9368
@ariuswillow9368 3 года назад
I would like to begin by saying that I am a part of the Wisdom of Odin community and I denounce the AFA or any organization that promotes racism, homophobia, sexism,transphobia or any kind of bigotry. I would like to make a distinction; Jacob is not seen as the end all be all source of information on norse paganism, nor is he considered our supreme leader or something crazy like that. We respect him because he brought a bunch of pagans together into a loving and inclusive community, but we are all free to have our own paths and find wisdom from whatever sources we please. Additionally, his inaction when it comes to signing Declaration 127 does not mean he is racist/sexist/homophobic etc; the first rule in the WoO discord guidelines is that no discrimination is allowed against anyone based on race, sexuality, or gender etc. Neo-Nazis or people with similar beliefs are immediately banned. Many admins have publically made statements against discrimination and groups like the AFA. Jacob himself has denounced bigotry in a RU-vid community post and on his Instagram. As someone who is part of the LGBT community I would be the last person to be part of a group that felt unsafe or pushed discriminatory beliefs of any kind. So before jumping to any conclusions, please take the time to remember that a whole community shouldn't be labeled badly because one person in it decides not to sign a document.
@serpentscoil326
@serpentscoil326 3 года назад
It's not just the document tho. Sure, by outward posts and appearances he seems very inclusive. The problem is he remains vague in his statements. Also he allegedly has friends he wants to be in his circle for either the sake of money or unity. These members seemed secretive or being on the DL for their views. Why keep people with unsavory views in the community even if they're just simply lurking? Why hasn't he gone into depth of the issues with AFA besides them being "too formal"? In fact, why is it community members defending him against criticism as oppose to him giving out a statement? Yeah there's a community post, but why isn't continuous or enforced? Thank you for denouncing tho.
@Vivi2372
@Vivi2372 3 года назад
You should check out Aliakais recent video on him because some of your claims about what he does and does not support do not seem accurate based on his actual documented actions. And for someone you claim is inclusive he seems surprisingly incapable of categorically condemning the AFA for their bigotry. In fact he wasn't even capable of condemning them at all. His actual statement makes it pretty clear that he actually does support them, he's just not going to be open about it because of might scare people like yourself away and he'd lose some of that sweet patreon grift money.
@alfredharrison597
@alfredharrison597 3 года назад
You know that whole "NPC" meme that the liberal left hates so much? Well, you are seeing that meme live and in the flesh right here, right now, in these youtube comments. Someone who is a "prominent figure in this movement" decided to attack someone else because they didnt do what they were expected to do and all the nice little yes men and women and followers who have no critical thought of their own are bowing their heads and nodding in compliance and repeating the mantra "WoO racist, orange man bad!". Don't believe me? JUST READ THESE COMMENTS! Its almost like its the same script with words changed around ever so slightly to make you THINK its all different people, but how can it be different people WHEN ITS A HIVEMIND MENTALITY!
@alfredharrison597
@alfredharrison597 3 года назад
@@Vivi2372 "...on his actual documented actions?" WHAT ACTIONS? WHY ARE PEOPLE "DOCUMENTING" WHAT THIS GUY IS DOING? FOR FUCKS SAKE!
@totallynotsauron
@totallynotsauron 3 года назад
Not going to lie, when I first stepped into this faith, I wasn't too fond of you because I had already been a pretty strong follower of Jacob's channel, having been inclined to watch his videos as I entered Heathenry. So, seeing this video a while back was somewhat dampening on my introduction to Heathenry, but as I have grown out of that honeymoon phase of things, my perspectives have changed and I find myself more like-minded to you than a lot of others I see and I have come to see Jacob or The Wisdom of Odin as what they really are. So, thank you.
@In_The_80s
@In_The_80s 2 года назад
This was like watching my favorite history teacher tear apart the class clown for not paying attention. It was fun to see your angry side for once and I have to say, I've never seen a man be so angry yet so calm at the same time.
@In_The_80s
@In_The_80s 2 года назад
@Anglo-Saxon Idk why?
@fenrikblack-foot1783
@fenrikblack-foot1783 3 года назад
Were all just men and women trying to live good by the Gods and Goddesses. Some do it well, others not so much. In the end i wish anyone who follows the path the best in this life and the best in their mind.
@aaron5676
@aaron5676 3 года назад
Stephen Mcnallen sounds exactly like a christian scamvangelous preacher....
@ockertviljoen2810
@ockertviljoen2810 3 года назад
I really hope this religion doesn't go full on political. Dont want to sit with that crap
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 3 года назад
Yeah politics is bad. Never do anything political.
@fritjofvalerijs800
@fritjofvalerijs800 3 года назад
@@OceanKeltoi This is political, your stance is very left wing
@satyrsak
@satyrsak 2 года назад
@@fritjofvalerijs800 So being open to all peoples without hate or prejudice is only left wing? Are you saying that all the people on the right are bigots?
@turtletoons1016
@turtletoons1016 2 года назад
@@satyrsak no Fritjof Valērijs is saying that the video contains a left wing stance in the sense that the left wing often also uses the idea that not speaking about something is the same as embracing it and the video contains stances on LGBTQ+ community that are leftwing. At least thats the left wing stances i could could gather from the video.
@Sheepdog1314
@Sheepdog1314 8 месяцев назад
I’m not at all racist, but Norse beliefs heavily lean on ancestral worship. That should explains a lot. Btw, I don’t bother with the squabbles, I go alone
@Eldinarcus
@Eldinarcus 11 дней назад
Exactly. Ancestor worship is core to germanic paganism. Why would someone be a germanic pagan if they aren't germanic? I don't follow voodoo of many west african countries, and why the hell would I? I have nothing in common with them. If our ancestors could see us today, who's side do you think they'd be on? The answer is clear.
@cyclicallivingoz
@cyclicallivingoz Год назад
I so appreciate this video. I've been a witch for years but am recently drawn to study norse paganism, and am loving your videos. I extra appreciate that you take a strong stand against all the racist bs from these people and clearly call it out. Thank you.
@MrComputerCoder
@MrComputerCoder 3 года назад
Honestly just came across your channel a while back, and I was interested in this topic and learning more about this faith. However just seems the more I watch(i have only seen a handful of your vids) the more I feel like its just really a mask for left leaning political propaganda and their ideologies. I haven't seen a video about WHAT is practiced, just anti racism, differences in Asatru, Norse Pagan, or Heathenry, and a few other vids as that is what YT is just choosing for me. I don't really understand what this religion is about except all the political statements(indirectly implied) in your videos I have seen. Just kinda turns me off from learning more. I don't want to be political or involved, just find something I can practice and agree with without having politics be involved. Want to stay true to the principles of old and not have to care about modern adaptations I guess. Again if you have any vids specifically about history of the religion and related content I haven't seen it. I shall try to look for those. I am still interested in learning more about it all and why Asatru has been condemned(for intellectual purposes). Hopefully I can find what I am looking for, without the need to talk about racism and gender in every other sentence(I don't come to YT to hear about it, I get enough from my brother and news networks).
@Just_Call_Me_Tim
@Just_Call_Me_Tim 3 года назад
If you want to learn about what Norse paganism/heathenism/whateverism is all about, in simple, fairly approachable language, look up Dr Jackson Crawford. If there was a way to direct message me, I'd invite you to do that (if you know how, then go for it). I'll talk about what I know with you til we're blue in the face; I don't give a damn about people's politics anymore (everyone is wrong about *something*, so whatever). I'm also tired of politics coming up, and there definitely seems to be this vibe of "iNcLuSiViTy YaY" out there and it's getting kind of old; why can't people just *be* and hammer on somewhere? Anyway! Sorry for the ramble; it's been a long day. Havamal, Prose and Poetic Eddas, Dr Jackson Crawford, May K Hella (both are on RU-vid, and I don't think they bother with even vaguely political stuff).
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
I didn't know racism was political
@MrComputerCoder
@MrComputerCoder 3 года назад
@@alibolink0719 When a certain political group of people vehemently use it as a defense mechanism and use it as a label, it becomes political. Not difficult to wrap your head around.
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
@@MrComputerCoder Oh no I agree. But racism as a concept isn't inherently political
@dustinaltman3201
@dustinaltman3201 3 года назад
Just ran across one of these videos at random on YT thought it was interesting and wanted to know more. So I clicked the icon next to the name Ocean Keltoi which took me to his specific YT channel. From there I watch the vids I find interesting, informative, &&/|| entertaining!
@user-gm8lz5ni3l
@user-gm8lz5ni3l 2 года назад
Well, glad I found this channel first. You have helped me understand more as a new Norse pagan. Im glad to know about the AFA I will be very sure to avoid them. Seems as though they try to hide their hate with our faith. Thanks for spreading knowledge not hate.
@piglice4585
@piglice4585 2 года назад
Are white people not allowed to have anything for themselves? Everything we have has to be partially available to nonwhites? Seems racist and hateful.
@user-gm8lz5ni3l
@user-gm8lz5ni3l 2 года назад
@@piglice4585 Well explain why it has to be a white only religion. No other religion in the world restricts white people from religion. I see white in most religion if not all and they dont bitch. SO YOU DO YOU NEED A RELIGION ALL FOR YOURSELF?!?! Theres already group for that called the KKK.
@user-gm8lz5ni3l
@user-gm8lz5ni3l 2 года назад
@@piglice4585 Hail the gods and worry about your own standing with them... No better than an extreme liberal telling people how they should and shouldn't live. Live ya own fucking life and worry about yourself. Do you even attempt to actually worship these gods or do you use the gods to spread your racist hate. Not wise fella not wise.
@piglice4585
@piglice4585 2 года назад
@@user-gm8lz5ni3l Be it Christ or Odin. Both know what is in my heart and I know what is right. I would be a liar and unkind to tell you I felt the white race is not something worth preserving as unique from the rest of the world. And all of our creations and traditions with us my friend. Be it Christ or Odin. Both know I would be a coward if I wasn't willing to fight for this cause that I know is just. If you believed in "living ya own fucking life" you wouldn't be religious in any way shape or form and you wouldn't be correcting my belief.
@user-gm8lz5ni3l
@user-gm8lz5ni3l 2 года назад
@@piglice4585 welp okay then keep on ruining it for the rest of us. I'm pretty far from woke and don't support the movements but I for sure am not about to sit here and think I'm special over skin color. I'm white as hell myself but I'm not about to tell any black person or Spanish person or Asian person or any person they can't follow the faith and call them selves Asatru. I have a hard time believing your this his holy warrior of white. IM LEANING MORE TOWARDS DELUSIONAL WHITE BOY WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT THEMSELVES. It some how hurts you if a person of color worships Odin which I'm not sure I have even met one have you. You special white people ruin it for all us other white people who actual give sacrifice, time, devotion, effort. It seems your more interested in being superior than worshipping any gods. I'm tired of everyone thinking I'm racist because I worship Odin. It's because of you idiots they even feel that way. But it's okay. I'll keep informing people you don't have to be a racist dick to worship the Asier and you sure as hell don't have to be white... Like Ocean here.
@heckaber.
@heckaber. 3 года назад
It's really nice to find a creator who has addressed this so directly. I don't mean Wisdom of Odin, I mean the whole concept of race and acceptance in the community. Involving myself in this community I was given a word of warning to stay on high alert for the predatory and problematic sides of the religion, and thus far you're the only person who has taken the (correct) stance of acceptance within the community. Thanks.
@crobledo89
@crobledo89 8 месяцев назад
hell yes hail to ocean keltoi
@Answerisequal42
@Answerisequal42 3 года назад
I merely got this video recommen ed and this old geezer (Mcgallon) is absolutely crazy. Great vid btw
@taras8627
@taras8627 3 года назад
Great video! Thank you so much for all of your work.
@Svartalf42
@Svartalf42 3 года назад
Well put; more light put on the bundle of red flags out there.
@kaos_actual1694
@kaos_actual1694 3 года назад
I forgot about all those black, Asian, and East Indian Germanic tribes back in the day. I forgot that in the old stories there was a whole bunch of interracial activities happening.
@helygg8892
@helygg8892 2 года назад
Yeah cuz that's the important part guy
@Sky-pg8jm
@Sky-pg8jm 2 года назад
Okay let's say for a minute you were correct here (Ignoring the part that our modern conceptions of "white" did not exist during the height of Norse pagan religion), why would that justify being against interracial "activities" in our modern world?
@Goofy-G
@Goofy-G Год назад
So, WoO and the AFA are in other words, based?
@Anonymous-sq6eo
@Anonymous-sq6eo 3 года назад
All cultures used to be really proud of their ancestry. Why is it seen as racism today?
@matthewgordonpettipas6773
@matthewgordonpettipas6773 3 года назад
It's only racist when White people do it. Everyone else gets a pass.
@deceptimus3688
@deceptimus3688 3 года назад
Got here from Suris's channel. Same for Aliakai's channel. Glad to know you. Subscribed.
@stephenmccagg
@stephenmccagg 8 месяцев назад
At ocean keltoi, I'm curious if you openly condemn similar mindsets from the other ethnic branches of the world tree... what is your opinion of obviously racist spiritual groups such as, say, the black hebrew isrealites? Or, as another example, the recognized terrorist (religious) organization that was duly elected to ruling office in Palestine, Hamas?
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 8 месяцев назад
I mean yeah. Not a fan of either, obviously. But also what on earth are you doing asking this on Christmas day? This was very weird. Merry Christmas, the Black Hebrew Israelites engage in antisemitic conspiracy theories and fabricated history 🎄
@karamlevi
@karamlevi 3 года назад
As mixed race person I find this all facilitating. It should be added for fairness that his Holiness the Dali Lama said Europe is for Europeans and should help others get empowered and that those people should then leave, going back to their own home countries. But then again, the Dali Lama, is about full equality and not partial equality for the world. I don’t like hearing about fire and war implying to non Europeans in Europe and I also am clearly aware of some of my people stabbing White European for dating some of my peoples Middle Eastern “women”. You can’t really have a healthy talk unless we talk about the whole picture. As a mixed race person, I’m really about fairness as I don’t fit in with any group, it’s a easy and natural stance for me as much as one thrust upon me, by nearly everyone I’ve met, and especially minorities wondering how much color I have. I would like to know, does this channel think his Holiness the Dali Lama is wrong? A spiritual leader displaced from his home country and who roughly speaking wanders the world because of it? One who’s been greatly financially supported by Whites, spiritually applauded by them too, including advocates for his Holiness and Tibetan suffrage due to CCP actions of Han racial expansionism. When I herd DL advocate for native Europeans I thought it karma for good deeds done to him, and also bravery to side step the whole 20 years of evil Nazism. But then again, 20 years doesn’t define anything about Europe, or at least it should not. And yes, I am Jewish enough to have been killed for my blood line. I am fully aware but I am also aware of Po Pot, Stalin, Mao, Imperialist Japanese superiority and other psychos/systems that get the velvet glove treatment when really they are part of a genocidal whole against humanity. I see no equal treatment or attention put on other groups. Why is that? It’s not because it’s stopped elsewhere. There are Japanese only streets in Japan, and even Thailand that Japan runs. Just as a easily searchable feeling, I mean fact, which ever word people believe is truthful. Also, I don’t see Jacob as you have implied money hungry, if anything I would say you are, because those who point the finger from my life experience in that vein often are the ones guilty of it. Either way, I think your argument is he is Pro European / White, but minus the shade that groups like Brown Power / La Raza sometimes put out from some rallies I’ve scene. I think your against Woo because he may (I’m not sure 🤔) be behaving like other groups of minorities that are pro their own minority? If so please due tell. I never reply to RU-vid comments as their hard to manage but for this, I surely will as I have been a fan of Jacob for about 6 months or so and have scene nothing negative from him, but that of deep passion for his journey and the sharing of that warmly. Jacob is clearly aware I am mixed race and has been warm and inviting, hearting comments of mine and responding. You on the other hand idk if would get the same loving 🥰 treatment. Intellectuals often despise blue collar type people but you could surprise me 😉.
@optimalrefundable
@optimalrefundable 2 года назад
thank you for speaking out on this, Ocean. eloquently put together. I've been so hesitant in my call to the Norse deities at times because I'm gay and honestly -- so many parts of the community scare me. But your videos are gems and give me hope and comfort I can find my own space. Thanks, man.
@IamAWildMan
@IamAWildMan 2 года назад
you should not be alloued to practice Asatru as gay. It is literally contradics the core principle of traditional family within Asatru religion. It is appauling.
@optimalrefundable
@optimalrefundable 2 года назад
@@IamAWildMan Luckily, I don't practice asatru.
@satyrsak
@satyrsak 2 года назад
@@IamAWildMan Maybe within the AFA, but there are plenty of other groups that don't followed that bigoted idea
@mattvdh
@mattvdh 2 года назад
News flash, if youre gay , youre not a pagan
@mattvdh
@mattvdh 2 года назад
@@optimalrefundable you practice judaism
@pitbull1975
@pitbull1975 3 года назад
Why didn't you just reach out yourself and ask him instead of posting all these videos? This is cringe . Focus on good content about Heathenism instead of this cheesy reporting.
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
Or you could let people do what they want
@pitbull1975
@pitbull1975 3 года назад
@@alibolink0719 In this day and age? No, we have to herded like cattle to groupthink
@turtletoons1016
@turtletoons1016 2 года назад
@@alibolink0719 but pitbull1975 is just critiquing Ocean like how Ocean critiqued The Wisdom Of Odin, unless critiquing is also the same as not letting people do what they want in wich case why is Ocean allowed to keep people from doing what they want to do and pitbull1975 isn't.
@alexpinter3993
@alexpinter3993 2 года назад
I’m so glad I found you, wolf the red, and wind in the world tree. Thank you for the guidance.
@Jay_in_Japan
@Jay_in_Japan 7 месяцев назад
6:30 "...you can either placate them, or fight them. And as we've seen, there isn't another option"- Well, there _is_ another option, actually. You can ignore them. And make them irrelevant.
@Anthro006
@Anthro006 3 года назад
I will say that your argument is fairly spoken and well stated. I cannot find any good reason to fail in the support of Declaration 127. For too long, too many in all faiths have allowed hatred and bigotry to stand as pillars in their practices. But as we are truly only one people, on one planet, our only best option is unification through mindful, skillful acceptance, understanding and effort. We don't need to agree on everything. But we don't need to hold on misanthropic beliefs and hostile practices nornshould we tolerate them. Thank you for
@emperorta2
@emperorta2 3 года назад
Not sure how I'm just now finding your channel, but your work here is probably the best thing I've yet seen on all things Heathen. As a fellow traveler on the path of Odin, I really can't express to you how happy it makes me to see our shared beliefs explained and explored in such an in depth and researched manner. I especially applaud you for your lack of bullshit in addressing how Norse Paganism intersects with the material world, both politcally, socially and morally. Your head-on take downs of those who would pervert our faith to serve thier own outside agendas is something sorely needed, and it's a true pleasure to see it done so very well. May the gods smile on you and your continuing work.
@Celtic_Ninja
@Celtic_Ninja 8 месяцев назад
So is he a fascist? Now I like him more
@michelenotari4825
@michelenotari4825 8 месяцев назад
lol, me too
@isaaccordova1823
@isaaccordova1823 3 года назад
Has a new Pagan and someone who has struggled with Christianity and also as someone who really is not white at all, I know I have mostly Hispanic heritage but I have never taken to it and I have honestly always loved the Pagan Outlook compared to Christianity. Have always been terrified of Gatekeepers so it's nice to see people open about sharing their own Heritage and beliefs
@kelsiebender2511
@kelsiebender2511 Год назад
I’m new and just learning, about Norse Paganism so finding a community I thought would be a very good idea. I had started listening to the podcast (the wisdom of Odin), I was into the 8th podcast and each podcast something just felt weird/off like there was something more I couldn’t explain it. I also watched a few videos of his and felt the same way. Then the other day I jumped on RU-vid and this video and another about him was the first few videos on my feed. So that definitely wasn’t a coincidence. So thank y’all for sharing.
@user-mk3zm6fe4s
@user-mk3zm6fe4s 2 месяца назад
Hello there ,may i ask you ,are you still into norse religion?
@kelsiebender2511
@kelsiebender2511 2 месяца назад
@@user-mk3zm6fe4s yes
@kelsiebender2511
@kelsiebender2511 2 месяца назад
@@user-mk3zm6fe4s yes I am
@bingcrosby6364
@bingcrosby6364 3 года назад
“We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People and the future for white children” Can someone here... please explain to me... how on earth or how in whatever realm you reside in... can you PLEASE explain to me how that is a racist statement statement??
@TNTUXO
@TNTUXO 3 года назад
Hail our folk and hail the afa! For the 14!
@Just_Call_Me_Tim
@Just_Call_Me_Tim 3 года назад
Well, it's "wayyycist" if they don't like it. Anything that is OK for every group but one to do, is still racist. It doesn't matter if someone is discriminated against, or in favor of, due to race... it still counts as racist regardless of the "race" (I hate that damned word.) To answer your question: literally only because a white person said it, and so many under 40 years old have been subconsciously programmed to react that way to something said by a white person that isn't self-deprecating in *some* way. I don't personally give a rat f*ck what group or groups someone does or doesn't support. Shits heading for a big old fashioned reset, so it doesn't matter anymore. I prefer to follow my gut and the ways of being (so to speak) that make sense to me.
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
@@TNTUXO ...
@AngloSaxonWheatFarmer
@AngloSaxonWheatFarmer 2 года назад
I’ve only just started my journey and naturally found Woo. Glad I found this video too so I can be more informed about him
@KaiFortis
@KaiFortis Год назад
Began to love WoO much more, thanks
@jaelmoray
@jaelmoray 3 года назад
Makes sense now why he won't fully harshly condemn the AFA. What a bad look. WoO should NOT be posturing as a leader within the movement with his shitty behavior, let alone his lack of knowledge on the topics he tries to present. As said at the end in regards to the AFA, WoO is also free to stand alone.
@levitatingoctahedron922
@levitatingoctahedron922 3 месяца назад
they don't care about your woke cancel culture.
@bjarnedansson9610
@bjarnedansson9610 3 года назад
Folkism is strength!
@TaurusSystem
@TaurusSystem 3 года назад
Folkism is a lie.
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
Folkism is pathetic
@bjarnedansson9610
@bjarnedansson9610 3 года назад
@@alibolink0719 folkism is not for weaklings
@alibolink0719
@alibolink0719 3 года назад
@@bjarnedansson9610 Aren't yall mad at minorities for existing and then cry the second a minority criticizes you?
@bjarnedansson9610
@bjarnedansson9610 3 года назад
@@alibolink0719 that's not what folkism is, my guy.
@Inkwell42
@Inkwell42 2 года назад
I was in his discord for awhile and the vibe was.... really very weird. Being female in that space was a bad experience.
@pilgrim.5630
@pilgrim.5630 Год назад
Very PC.
@JoshuaTheJedeye
@JoshuaTheJedeye 2 года назад
Thanks for this video and your channel. Queer recent ex-Christian here, and your consistency and sincerity help me hold more hope to find allies within Heathenry.
@MariaAyusoo
@MariaAyusoo 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this video. I am a norse pagan and live in Spain, because of the language I didn't know this until now. As a LGTB person I thank you deeply for this response and for taking the time and work for open our eyes about WoO
@casbonano
@casbonano Год назад
Hi Maria. Yo nací en Puerto Rico, mi familia es de España y Portugal. I’m looking for more information on the pagan traditions of Iberia. Do you have any books or channels you could recommend?
@Cretan_Wolf
@Cretan_Wolf Год назад
Vikings never accepted lgtbq
@CapTeaTime
@CapTeaTime Год назад
I've been a heathen for many years and just recently had WoO pop up on my instagram. I thought why not and tried to watch his videos, but I couldn't finish one. Something about them just rubbed me wrong, it reminded me of the feeling I would get when I would go to church, one man trying so hard to come off kind and full of knowledge but with something darker within. Well, it would seem the Gods were trying to warn me, as more and more I find is disturbing to say the least. Thank you for confirming what I was feeling, as an openly queer pagan, the AFA gtfo.
@Yotun-of-the-WWW
@Yotun-of-the-WWW 3 года назад
Ah, people who believe that the All-Father is rather the Some-Father.
@jaxthewolf4572
@jaxthewolf4572 3 года назад
Yep sadly
@Yotun-of-the-WWW
@Yotun-of-the-WWW 3 года назад
@L7M What are you trying to imply? Be exact.
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