We Need To Talk About Kevin Season 2 (SPOILERS) 

It makes me feel sad that no large reaction channels seemed to have covered this show. The device of the sitcom and drama world was so interesting. And felt like it ended perfectly for a small-scale story. The callback to Kevin always starting fires was amazing foreshadowing. I get your point about him just dying sort of cheapening having to engage, feelings aren't always tidy, but I dunno to me it feels more like a play--so it needed something heightened I guess. I'm not really sure how I feel about Patty's co-dependence with Allison though.

The show almost seemed to be painting parallels between Kevin and Allison: how Neil followed Kevin’s lead, & Patty followed Allison’s lead; how Kevin was manipulative/selfish, & Patty told Allison that she ‘played the victim,’ didn’t do nice things for her, etc. (with Tammy/Sam having their own input as well); how things seemed to always work out for Kevin, & Allison’s issues all resolved themselves (the hit man died, no one believed Neil, Tammy decided not to pursue Allison, & Kevin died). But in all of these parallels-even though Allison was never nearly as bad as Kevin-she usually received more negative feedback than him, was called to make more retributions & sacrifices, & suffered greater consequences. And this difference also gave her an ability that Kevin didn’t have. Since she lived in the ‘real world,’ she was able to change for the better. Kevin, on the other hand, was always granted allowances that ‘protected’ him from changing. In the last episode, he fails to adapt to his changing circumstances because-after living in a formulaic, self-repairing world for so long-the ideas of change and self-reflection are completely elusive to him. I feel like that’s sort of why he died; he has been molded into something so unfit for the ‘real’ world that he can’t survive outside of his cancelled sitcom.

There was a lot of mention about Kevin starting fires in past episodes and blaming Neil for it. I believe he also took the batteries out of the smoke detector in the generator episode. Kinda makes sense that he died from his own mistakes.

I think Kevin was physically abusing her but just as Allison hid it from the world, the camera hid it from the viewer. There are clues though, not least of which is Allison ducking away from Kevin in the finale as he lunged at her. You don't develop reflexes like that without practice. There's also the black eye from the door. I believe what we saw was her cover story rather than what actually happened. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of Kevin faking his own death, drawing inspiration from Allison doing the same thing. Any vengeance enacted on her would not lead back to a corpse, which was also Allison's initial plan.

First of all sorry I was late in my comments. Better late than never. Lol. However regarding Kevin's death I thought I'd tell you something. It's been implied that Allison's efforts to kill him were pointless, because he literally can't survive without her. Basically implying that if Allison simply up and left, he'd die from some stupid thing. Here when she officially breaks it off, he wasn't trying to kill himself. He was trying to destroy her personal belongings out of spite. He was also trying to call Neil and Pete for support, not caring that he drove them away from him. However because he has no one to bail him out and he's passed out drunk, he basically died by the very stupidity that everyone knows would have killed him one day. Most villains get an epic death, but the best villain deaths are always the ones where they die so pathetically.

I think the show gave us several examples of Kevin physically abusing Allison. Up to and including the door thing. The idea is that the sitcom mode is just us seeing the world through his perspective, in which he can do no wrong, where he's charming, she's just ungrateful for all he gives her, and any physical altercation is clearly just an accident.

I loved the series a lot and a lot more than I thought I would. It was dark, disturbing and left me with an uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach, but it was interesting, compelling and made me think about the sitcom tropes that we've so effortlessly been laughing at for decades without looking further into how problematic they might have been. I disagree about the ending, I thought it ended as it should have. If the series had continued, it would have been interesting seeing the schemes he would come up to try and get revenge on Allison and her responses to them. But the show is done and we don't need Kevin alive any more. It was enough that Allison stood up to him, that she showed him that she was no longer afraid of him and could stand on her own two feet. I think the ending was just as it should have been. Kevin has always gotten out of whatever jams he'd been in through a combination of idiotic good luck and the fact that he had a support group around him to save him. But after a lifetime of being a selfish narcissist, everyone in his life who cared about him is gone and he winds up consumed, literally and figuratively by the inferno of his own making.

I liked how when he killed himself that Allison says it’s not what she wanted. It shows her growth morally and her finally letting her emotions out and recognizing that bottling up your true feelings and acting nice is going to eventually blow up and lead you down a worse road. But when she finally says what she’s truly feeling to Kevin, the truth, she no longer has that rage to conspire to kill him. I really like that

I'm sad the show ended so abruptly, but happy we actually got an ending. Watching each episode with the KCFH subreddit was a wonderful experience as people far more observant than myself were able to point out so many fascinating details. The acting this season was fantastic, the drama tense and the comedy genuinely funny. I loved the bigger moments - seeing who Neil was in the real world, Allison and Patty continuing to make plots and sneak around, Tammy becoming an overly perceptive presence - and I also loved the smaller moments, such as Allison letting her actions take a step too far into Kevin's world towards the end of the season and her realisation taking the form of her standing in the sitcom world alone for a handful of immensely unnerving seconds, or the way the sitcom world started to become less saturated and the real world became brighter and more cheerfully farcical as the season continued. As for the finale, I can't really complain. It wraped things up nicely and left fans with a satisfying ending for most if not all characters. It would have been nice to have had an additional season or two to continue some plot threads as cleary Nick was supposed to have an expanded purpose that the season couldn't find time for, and the same goes for Tammy's curiosity and Doug, the friend Kevin seemingly lost while Neil managed to retain. I felt like the fire in the end was apt. Kevin had managed to distance his safety net of loyal supporters to the point where there was no one left to protect him from his own mistakes. People even pointed out that during the blackout episode, Kevin had removed the batteries from the smoke alarm, further sealing his own fate. The only thing missing was the already broken coffee table collapsing before our eyes, spreading the fire around the room. I don't think a longer series would have deviated too much from Kevin's comeuppance as the crux of the show was to finally see Kevin in the real world (a superb performance by Eric Petersen). Once the sitcom world had faded, the basis of the show ended, so there was never any longevity there. I'm only mildly disappointed that we didn't see Allison and Patty's relationship turn romantic. Fandom has always pushed romantic relationships way too hard, often placing threads where they clearly don't exist, especially for same-sex characters, but in this case the build up was profound. Allison literally wears the colours of the lesbian and bisexual pride flags for the majority of the season. Talk about wearing your heart on your sleeve. Still, I'm happy they ended up together as best friends in the final scene. So, yeah, overall it was an excellent show and a great season. I really wish the show had been advertised more heavily so it could have acquired the viewing numbers it deservered, but hopefully positive word of mouth will cause people to check it out in the future, (maybe this video will reach some curious eyes) and I look forward to seeing these actors shine in future projects. It was a one of a kind show and, thankfully, one of the greats.

Sad this show seems to be ending with Season 2 -- noticed so many things that I'm not seeing anyone discussing: for instance, there's a scene where Alison is "hit in the face with a door" and has a black eye (this is a classic battered wife excuse when she shows up to work with a black eye.) Just glossed over in the sit-com world, but seems really traumatic in the drama world. I think the show creators are alluding to a higher level of abuse than they show, but it would also change the entire tone of the series if they actually showed him hitting her.

I really really liked this series. A story about finding yourself, facing your inner demons and growing as a person. A story about abusive relationships, about friendship, about sexuality and about love. Probably also one of the VERY FEW series out there that had a lesbian relationship that didn't feel like pandering and actually worked and played a part in the story structure and narrative. Besides the story it had an interesting and original cinematic approach with the whole sitcom/reality view.

I like the mom sitcom world reveal because the other abusive sitcom stable besides dead beat husbands is hyper critical parents.

I was hoping tor allison to tell the laughtrack audience to shut up before bringing kevin to reality.The thing about bully is that they always have cheerleaders around them, their minions. Neil and pete are kevin's minion but also the laughtrack audience, who are always laughing at kevin's joke at allison's expense. Maybe it would be too weird or too oj the nose tho

It was a must watch for anyone who has been in an abusive relationship. I feel like the ending was so abrupt because the show got cancelled so the writers made it final.

One line that stuck out to me this season was Diane calling Neil out when he said that Kevin and Pete were just making jokes. "For who?" is the perfect response because the trope of the audience laughing to lighten how cruel and mean people (main characters) in sitcoms act towards each other shows that being an audience makes up a part of the problem. Of course in the show's context, being an audience means we can't step in to stop anything and can only watch it all happen but even if Allison or Diane or anyone else who came at Kevin's expense couldn't see or hear an audience they were still disrespected and humiliated. It goes to show that there could be a lot of victims suffering that we participate in harming by joining or standing by. I'll never be able to watch a sitcom the same way again. Which honestly, considering the harmful tropes that are still in them might be for the better. At the least, I'll be more critical of how people are treated.

I just finished two whole seasons, the whole show, in... under 3 days, and I think my depression is back. XD Honestly though, this show is, like... one of the best feminist media I've seen, and it totally gives you an idea of how sexism has been weaved and excused in the public unconscious through decades of the incompetent male leads failing upwards while passively, if not actively, abusing their spouses (and also the rest of their family members and friends, males too) into letting them or even helping them have their own way. I just watched the video you made on the first season, and now I just watched this one, obviously. Nice work! You made a good summary of most of this show's best aspects, but, I can see this show being the subject of a 2-3 hour long essay, and I wish to see that video at some point.

I really wish we saw more of Kevin in the drama world but I really liked it

I mean there's a lot of foreshadowing he'll die in a fire or doing something dumb evenifIdidn'tpredictitlol Allison says more than once he'd probably die without her stopping his antics, sure enough he does something stupid and childish and dies. He's a serial arsonist, even if played for laughs Took out fire alarm batteries This all comes to the finale, he's a leech that feeds of other people like real life narcissists and when everyone leaves he tries one more attempt to get all the attention on him and without his immediate gratification (no one answering his calls, Allison not bowing to his threats like normal) he goes full destruction mode and it kills him because he can no longer weaponise his incompetence, he is simply incompetent. The world can't go on normally with Kevin alive, he needed to die.

This is the only series that actually hooked me, the premise is just so original and creative and THANKFULLY they didn't wasted it like many shows with interesting premises do in fact i'll say they used it almost to its full potential, i anything i wish it lasted longer but i'm grateful that we got an actual ending at least. And speaking off: At first yeah i tought it was rushed and left some things in the air (Neil's plot certainly is, kinda) but the more i think about it....they showed enough, like we've seen how much of a scumbag Kevin is having it spelt out for us by Alison would have been pointless and the little we've seen of him on the "real world" makes it VERY clear of how much of an abusive monster he is, and how easily he breaks the moment he looses control of people, so after seeing it from start to end not only his demise is satisfying but also apropiate (Kevin truly effed himself XD) Now from Alison she has a really interesting journey, i love how her entire Journey can be seen as just an excuse to no confront the guy, it shows us how damaged she was, and i like how the series wasn't afraid to portray her as an extremely flawed character, it gives the final two episodes way more power, and as insane as her journey was, the journey was necessary since not only helped her realize what she actually wants but also helped to see and experiment other things, her entire relationship with Patty being the most important one. Overall great show and great use of its premise

Honestly I don't think there could have possibly been a more satisfying ending than Kevin dying, there's really no other way the show could have ended From start to finish I was just waiting for that fucker to die

I feel like they needed an extra episode to clarify the legal clarifications because her coming back the day he coincidentally dies in a fire definitely raises the questions for a homicide case

I got a theory. Kevin's father is to blame for not raising Kevin to be a man. Children need to be raised with the understanding that they need to bring something to the table - practical know how, empathy, good manners, optimism and good cheer, and ambition to be better at things.

I found the final episode extremely underwhelming. The fact that it shows the empty couch on fire without Kevin on it left me thinking that this show might not be over. Tbh i really wouldn't be interested in seeing a third season. The show just fizzled out for me.

I watched this series because of your first video, I was really happy being introduced to it

Came for the intersting format, stayed for murderous alicent. pretty good show overall imo

My issue with show is that it has claimed to be a relastic outlook on how the relationship with tv sitcom are really are. In shows like Kings and Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond there is genuine love despite how childish and goofy their husband act and dont want any harm to come to them. I dont think Kevin in this show really loves his wife. He doesn"tshow her any care or concern at all until the very end when she decides to divorce him . Plus the soundtrack of the audience clapping at the end when she confronts him was so cringey.

Eric Petersen was very impressive in the finale

I come to this channel for film and tv reviews not to learn about obscure Massachusetts towns! :P

It needed another season, it all ended very rushed.

This series was interesting at first, but resulted in a "spell it out for you" finale. The first season was great tho and deserves the praise.

I mean i think it felt a bit rushed & i would've loved to see more seasons (maybe even some sort of explanation for why this universe switches between drama & sitcom) & i'm still not sure why we only got two but as far as the seasons we got, i was enthralled by every last second of it

is there any greater glee than watching someone get excited cos they found a show set in the really small and specific town they grew up in and the local references are on point?

Completely agree this finale was pretty good 9/10

S1 recognized that Allison was as toxic and awful as Kevin, S2 lost sight of that I found. I feel like they both should have ended up miserable in the end

I didn’t like the ending. I thought both characters were equally selfish. I also thought that Allison should be locked up since she technically committed a fraud, but hey it’s a TV Show.

The show when to shit on season 2

I am sad this show didnt get the ending it deserves. It was not good. Of course the divorce scene was great but not enough. I have the feeling this season was slower and they rushed in the last episode. Also they were creating a character changing for Neil… we could see he would became a better but they just gave up of it.

i dropped the show, very disappointing that this is all it was. I thought the dark parts would be darker or there'd be more twists. This was just a very interesting way to go about comedy-drama.