22:07 Start, chat convo 25:12 Man or bear discourse n chat (S1P1) 1:03:03 Artery 1:11:30 Asmongold n protestors, Convo with Hasan (S2P1) 2:25:20 Mississippi cringe, Pro Palestinian protests (S3P1) 2:42:00 Election results in England, Cross sex hormones (S4P1) 2:54:38 Isreal n Rafah (S5P1) 3:11:42 George Galloway, Fashion 3:25:25 Columbia uni, Minouche Shafik (S6P1) 3:31:20 Donos I just finished getting my hair twisted.
If you're out in the middle of the nowhere in the woods and a dude you don't know just shows up, alone, there's a non-zero chance you're in a cliche horror movie.
You are far safer encountering someone in the back country than in a city. A vast majority of people you will encounter far into the woods are people who are there specifically because they are interested in being in the wilderness. Nobody is wondering 20 miles into the woods to find people to kill, assault or rob.
Oh damn, I thought the bear v man thing was that women would rather date bears than men, and I thought, “yeah that tracks, men can be pretty shitty” boy was I off 😂
Ngl Vaush saying "women growing up are taught not to leave your drink alone" seems like difference in location thing, he's from Beverly Hills where as I'm from Louisiana, both guys and girls in Louisiana were taught not to leave drinks alone, there's been too many stories down here of sexual assault with a good amount of victims being of both sexes. I can't tell you the stories my bf has told me about him getting assaulted and r**ed a bunch of times in his life since he was a kid, with 1 of those incidents happening recently earlier this year because he was high and I wasn't around to keep him safe
I don't go out much and so I have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation and thus shouldn't be commenting, so all I wanted to say is I am also a Louisiana swamp creature
I know you didn't mean it like this, but "with a good amount of victims being of both sexes" makes it sound like Louisiana has an unusual number of intersex people being victimized. Now, I can't confirm whether or not that's true, but...
Yeah a lot of the discussions about women doing safety things that men don't do is weird. Like I've seen multiple posts where women say that men leaving the door to their house unlocked is a sign of male privilege or something.
@@robertm9631 that's weird. If I walk into a person's house and they don't lock the door behind I immediately question the security of the house because if they're willing to leave a door unlocked then how do I know there ain't a unattended open window sonewhere in the house lol. Growing up wuth my grandparents, we always kept our doors locked, my grandma even got those doorstop things you stick between the knob and floor so people can't push the door open. This is with us living in a neighborhood where crime has never happened and we still take precautions
I did have the initial reaction of "wtf why the bear"? But I was thinking in terms of probability and not potential threat. The bear will try to kill you, the man may or may not be dangerous. However I think the question is meant to be thought up as who has the more threat potential. The man may do worse than just kill you. You may suffer long before death claims you.
42:06 - With bro friendships pranking and making fun of each other, I think a big part there for some of them is that if they limit it to that, they don't have to open up and be sincere, since that makes them more vulnerable, and they're too insecure to be vulnerable. Which would then also impact ego. All of men's weird shit, generally stems from insecurity. 50:41 - That is literally my number 1 piece of advice for men lol. Female friends who you aren't trying to fuck (even better if you're just not interested in that at all). The carry-over to a successful dating life is massive.
Azan did a pretty flawless job with this debate. I'm known to be a pretty patient guy, but man the demons I wouldda been fighting not to just pop off for most of that debate if i were Hasan would've been legendary. 🤣
My thoughts on the man or bear discourse is the fact that despite all of the valid reasons against it, most women are still attracted to men. As they say "the best argument against the idea that sexuality is a choice is the fact that despite everything, straight women still exist". I've also known several bi women who for a while tried to convince themselves they're lesbians and cried very hard when they realized they're still attracted to men because they knew better than most how much easier it would be if they just didnt have those feelings at all, if they werent attracted to people who were statistically much more likely to hurt them. As a lesbian, I thank god every day for creating me free of these feelings 🙏
See, if this discourse is aimed at showing young men what women put up with so they can start behaving better, I wonder if "Don't worry; even though it's totally irrational and against their best interest, some women will still probably be dumb enough to find you attractive" is the best message we could close out the point with. Like, does it really push back against r*pe culture to say "Women are correctly afraid of you by default, but every so often they'll stupidly let their guard down, so be ready to take advantage of their mistake"?
That seems like a terrible message. This is why you can't live life acting like every statistical likelihood will happen to you, otherwise you would just never do anything. There would be no reason to go outside. Everything worth doing is worth doing against all the odds.
2:20:10 I read this article. It was mostly him talking about how when the civil rights protests got more "performative" after the voting rights act passed not much happened. He compared that to the students barricading Hamilton Hall. I don't have the knowledge to challenge the point on the civil rights protests post 1965 being "performative" (though I'm pretty sure the focus after the voting rights act was redlining that was common everywhere, not just the south), but there was a comment from a Columbia student on the article saying that the reason the pro-palestine protestors escalated was because the administration was acting in obvious bad faith. Also the latest comment on the article is saying "yeah, the anti-vietnam protests were also useless and just caused a bunch of campuses shutting down for a bit. If they wanted change they should have gone to congress and talked to them." I'm realizing that people (on average) don’t like protests until it's them that are under the boot of the state.
Lol Bear me please!!! Even as a guy i would rather deal with the bear than deal with the random weirdo i would find in the middle of the woods. It's either going to be some conspiracy nut, survivalist, or fitness bro, possibly all three. I feel like the bear would be the least annoying option.
As a gay effeminate man, I absolutely hate other guys. Especially when I worked retail, that shit was the worst. There's always such an aura of violence whenever they disagree with you. Every guy just expects you to be another dude-bro like them.
@@pancakes8670 Eh, to be fair, most guys view shopping as an annoying chore they want to get done as quickly as possible. So when you are disagreeing with them on something they are probably just getting frustrated that the chore is now going to take longer. There is also a bit of ego in getting a good deal. A lot of guys probably don't even notice they are doing it. I watched my brother haggle with a woman on getting a good price on a computer once. I watched as she was clearly getting nervous and uncomfortable and yet when i asked him about it afterward he seemed completely baffled by what i was saying. Shrug, people just don't really think about their actions, especially when they are so outside their frame of reference.
As far as Asmon turning into a good boy when talking to Hasan, Asmongold is a character. When he does videos as himself, Zack, he's talks just like this. Over the past 5 yrs or so, Zack seems to have gotten lost in the Asmongold character the bigger his stream has gotten. He doesn't know how to pull back and just keeps playing to his audience.
That's always how the pipeline happens for those types of content creatures. They'll create a "Character" and then they get lost in it themselves. That's one of the reasons Joji quit being Filthyfrank, or Ian quit being Idubbbz. I feel like right-leaning content creators are more susceptible to getting lost in their Character, because their "Character" is sometimes just an exaggeration of who they actually are, Dr Disrespect for example.
Something vaush didnt touch on but is also very important is that if a women is attacked by a bear, people will believe her and in some circumstances (like in a urban area) take action about the bear e.g relocation. If a women is attacked and raped by a man, a lot of people will not believe her and there is a very low chance there would ever be consequences for the perpetrator.
If she is attacked by a bear there is a good chance she will be dead (Depending on the kind of bear, but let's not get autistic about the question). I don't think this is about what situation you would actually be safer in, but rather that a lot of men's reaction is tellingly defensive. If your reaction to it is "well that's silly" that's fine but if you get really defensive "huh these hysterical women, don't they know, bla bla bla" that is the problem.
@@robinvik1 well I don't go outside unless it's for class or therapy so I get this way less, I forget about sexual harassment in the cold months and am confronted with the grim reality as soon as it gets warm and suddenly I start getting catcalled again.
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Completely agree about the lack of depth in male to male interaction; I always used to find it super weird that guys were more interested in "pranking" each other and hitting each other in the balls, instead of just, you know, being decent to each other or being there for each other when they needed support.
@@jordank4889I'm teaching elementary school. There are guy friendships like that. All they know how to do is pick on each other. They can't seem to comprehend friendships without it. I try to veer them towards not constantly calling your friend the dumbest person alive but it doesn't have much effect.
@@jordank4889 I don't think this is excusable at pretty much any age and it's only the boys I see doing it. Girls are taught not to behave like that. I don't think it makes sense to tell people to understand friendship one way their whole life then pivot when they grow up. That's unrealistic. It's similar how we make men emotionless for the military but then expect to suddenly turn around and be part of everyday society. You got to nip in the bud
No shit a man is more terrifying. Most people know enough to deal with a bear. Black Bear, you scream at it acting massive or you keep your distance. Grizzly bears, you play dead. When you see a man randomly in the forst, wtf are you supposed to do? I mean the worst a Bear can do is rip ou apart, a man can do worst.
convenient you leave out the polar bear. you know that animal that wont even have the courtesy to kill you then eat you, it will just eat you and then you will die when the polar bear has nothing left of you to eat. and by the way you have no other option when met with a polar bear, all roads lead to that suffering
As an autist I still cant help but read it as "ah you see, a bear has better swing strength and has claws🤓☝️" Granted I encountered the question in a hypothetical "you get teleported in a forest, would you rather a random man to be teleported or a random bear". And in that case, I changed my mind over the course of writing this because even if not lethal I dont want to spend any time with the median person, the bear will leave me alone but even among the non-dangerous, vast majority of men are unbearable and annoying. Except if its a polar bear. Because its white. If Im gonna die, Id like my killer to know how to season me. Edit: hrm. I see the point. Still I think a bear is more dangerous in a literal sense buuuut if the question is not about a literal bear, then I guess I can see the point.
The interesting part of the question is this. If you narrow the range of men to lets say gay men. I bet women would say the man. But if you said one of the frat boys at missisipi any all votes would go even more bear. The awnser. Women dont trust the average man (if alone with them) to not do something terrible. Because even if most men dont assault people. The amount that would if there were no consequences would be even higher. And sexual assault is akin to torture
@boserboser6870 and also if a bear is in the forest, it has no reason to bother me, at most its gonna go "thats a weird animal" and be on its way because it doesnt recognize me as one of the animals it eats. But a human person will just stick to your hair. And even if they arent malicious or bad intentioned or what have you, of the 3-6 different archetypes of men I can think of, most would be insufferable, and because they are human theyd be glued to my side. From "guy who thinks he is the Leader Of Situations" to "guy who is so closed you're talking to an 8ball that responds with "huhhh" "yeah" "huh?" "Hmmm"" Id take the bear. If 30% of men are dangerous, 60% of men are going to be insufferable, and Im not gambling with those odds.
I don't think Asmondgold is a bad guy or as stupid as Vaush says. But that doesn't excuse his behavior and beliefs. If anything, I expect more of him than Vaush.
What do you mean by you expect more of him than from Vaush? Are you implying you have low standards for Vaush, which therefore implies you think very lowly of what he says?
The dude spends his day in a heap of trash, spends his night wiping gum blood on the walls and wakes up to his rotting rat alarm clock. I feel like the low expectations are warranted.
Asmon is somewhere on a line between malicious and stupid because those are the two reasons you find yourself on the right surrounded by the far right, I think vaush is right about him just being dumb and impressionable tho I personally can't help but feel like he's acting it sometimes.
