Matt G I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that they are but the use of them for weight transfer was an added technique only found out after the fact.
@@sanchoMDB I mean, I'm sure lots of people have known it instinctively since cars were invented, so it might not have been something "discovered" in that sense
I took my car out today on some trails. Just a civic on gravel. It's amazing how naturally this all comes to you. I didn't even think to pendulum turn, I was just doing it. I didn't think too heavy into the weight transfer, just left foot breaking in the turns, but I did a lot of weight transfer anyways. It's crazy, the experience of 60 mph on twisting gravel trails. I think I'll never forget this day, neither will my pocket with the new radiator I need to buy. :)
I just took me a minute to get that he wasnt actually talking about flat earthers. Basically, he was saying that it's as crazy to say weight transfer doesn't work as to say that the earth is flat, did I get that right?
@@Benedocta he seriously asked the people who claim the earth is flat and that weight transfer doesn't exist to come down and see how well they do without using it since they commented on his previous videos saying it doesn't exist
That slowmo of the down hill pendulum is really nice for showing what the car is actually doing, weight transfer etc. Very good explanation of the subject.
Content and subject matter was well delivered, as always. But can we take a minute to appreciate the beautiful filmography and the way it's used to illustrate the points in the video?
boom first. But man... weight transfer is the name of the game. I rallycross a V6 MR2 which has almost no weight on the nose. You really have to pitch the weight on the front, get it rotated through the corner, but then really modulate the throttle to keep the anchor out back from swinging around on you. Long sustained corners the front can really wash out because the initial front pitch has evened out. A really engaging car that rewards weight transfer. Can't wait to cage it for hill climb!
Watching mid engined cars rally is really entertaining. It's really not their forte but man when they do it right, they do it well. The Stratos was claimed to be one of the hardest cars to drive because of how light it was and the crazy weight distribution, not to mention rwd. Did you start rally with that car or did you have prior experience with something else? I've only ever taken out AWD cars to some dirt tracks and stuff so I'm interested in seeing some other experiences.
@@SonoftheBread i used to do a bit of dirt racing in my old 05 ford focus and ive gotta admit near the limit theyre way better than youd expect for an FF eco box. On tarmac the stock suspension is a bit soft but om dirt its almost crazy how right they got it. With some left foot braking and a bit of handbrake that thing would rotate beautifully and carry a ton of speed.
@@SonoftheBread I pretty much started with the MR2. Drove an e30 for two events but didn't like it. The MR2 first started off with the stock 4AGE motor with nearly 200k miles. It was a very balanced car that never knew if it should understeer or oversteer. Usually it would understeer. With the V6 and an LSD it now is totally biased to power oversteer. Makes it very predictable. And, at about 2000lbs and 200hp, it is actually a pretty good stratos equivalent!
@@tougedenizen4840 that doesn't surprise me at all actually! The focus and fiesta are both really good ff rally platforms. People definitely underestimate the amount of fun to be had in cars like that when you drive them right and in the limit. They're incredibly forgiving too, so you can kinda just send it and see what happens.
@@Krautastic I watched a few of the videos you have on your channel. Good driving! I can definitely see how it tends to some understeer but it looks pretty fun to drive. What V6 are you using? My buddy has a 2nd gen MR2 that leaks oil like crazy and I know he's been considering a swap. Also have you considered putting a smaller sway bar in the front? That or removing it might help the front grip up more.
Watched your videos since forever and actually saved my ass a couple months ago. It was snowing, I was approaching a stop sign and as soon as i touch the brakes the front wheels lock and the car starts actually accelerating. Like 2 meters from the wall I was about to hit I pulled the hand brake and turned right and just beautifully sent the car trough the corner. Had 180 BPM heart rate for a few minutes after LOL
I was driving in the wet the other day and I showed my dad how left foot braking can make a fwd car oversteer around corners, he was not impressed. (It was in my car, engine swapped Mitsubishi mirage)
Front wheel, and a light weight car, it is easy and practical to use the gas drop as the weight transfer. You mentioned something, so I thought I'd add my two cents.
I've driving forever, mostly on pavement. A little bit of sideways fun but mostly grip. i've learned so much from watching you fang around in the snow letting the car get so loose... fantastic channel and amazing content. that said Wyatt, give us a signal if they won't let you out of grounds... this is getting worrying!
Ik this may be silly but the game DiRT Rally taught me a lot about weight transfer and when to expect it and how it works. Ik it’s not the real thing but it still helped me to understand the basics of it
Awesome video and good information! I'm a grip driver mostly because I do autoX and track days. After doing my 1st ice driving school event with Wisconsin Audi group it took my skills to another level when it comes to the slippery stuff. Keep up the awesome videos 👍✌
My dream is to come out to you guys and do all the lessons I could, I "rally" my naturally aspirated 4-speed automatic legacy 2006 around the woods near my house to practice control of the car because I love sliding and adrenaline accompanying, it gets me going, I do tap the brakes before the corner, drop a gear or pull a handbrake, but sure I know most likely I do not do any of them properly, I believe you will teach me one day!
Hello Team, you've been giving us a lot of skill and knowledge about racing, first of all, I wanna say thank you but one thing to the team should change the terrain that you've been using because for example all continents have different trails especial Africa so to change the terrain we will be able to see and learn a different skill. as well it will be fascinating for all viewers. Finally, we are appreciating what you have been doing.
Save for slightly different weight distribution and a little more weight, I bet they'd be nearly identical. Once you drive for just a few minutes I'd bet you wouldn't even realize.
@@madmax9009 Going by factory stats I believe the wagon is roughly only 200 pounds heavier which is the difference of just having another person in the car. Weight difference is essentially negligible unless you do a full ac delete and rip out most of the interior
I have an app monitoring my driving daily weight transfer as well as the limo stop you mention in another video and Ive been on 100% every day simply by managing those two things, even in the country which is prone to having trouble with less tractiony surfaces like gravel.
You always make high quality videos , and you always know what you are talking about and how to apply them in a variety of situations. Keep doing what you are doing
Wyatt, you’re the best! As always, awesome content, the best on RU-vid, done with your team mates, the shots illustrate perfectly what the car shoukd be doing and your explanations are second to none! Big shout out from your northern neigbours in Montreal QC, will definitey spend some time in beautiful New Hampshire for some exciting rally class :) You guys rule!
I've been practicing in BeamNG and it's paying off. Man I wish I could drive a real car but I'm not of age yet, and I'm scared I might overestimate my skills.
BeamNG is great! Of course there's a learning curve to transfer to real life but the way it simulates weight transfer, wheel speed, and it's relation to traction is pretty realistic. For me, I don't have the luxury of a good place to practice car limit handling and can't afford to mess up too badly in my only car, so BeamNG is where it's fun to try the what if scenarios, push it too far and see what happens. I don't claim to be an excellent driver but it's definitely helped and the fact that you're watching these videos shows that you're already interested in putting the effort in to be a better driver once you get a car.
I have an important q! How do you know when weight transfer is enough or when you need to add the handbrake? Is it bad practice to use the handbrake automatically on tight corners when you don't want to make that split second decision? Does it make you slower? And if so when is it appropriate?
It's faster on downhill, especially if it's a hairpin turn, the thing with doing skids/drifts on turns is you have faster entry than using grip but you'll have slower exit speed mainly because as you slide through corners you get slower. But in downhill you can have faster speed recovery because gravity is your friend.
Kind of weird to recommend to watch Colin McRae as of 2020. You would think a 9 time world champion (and still alive and kicking) like Loeb would be recommended... By the way have you ever drove a Peugeot 205 1.9L GTI? It was the most powerful car for the price and the lightest. Easy to find in Europe but nowadays they are sold at crazy prices.
I always say as long as I’m under the speed limit I can drive as fast as I want…. There’s actually 50 mph right turns where I live i always turn around 25-30 mph depending on traffic
How about a FWD AutoX video with all those Fiestas you guys have there? FWD weight transfer. Slalom. FWD turn entry/exit on pavement, not snow, so no hand braking. WITH ABS. WITHOUT ABS.
Would it be possible do attempt this or start learning how to do this in a 95 s10 chevy blazer on a gravel road because im really into racing just know my car is a bit top heavy
I have a 2014 Nissan Juke and I'm not sure why but even with traction fully off the system panics if I try to left food brake so I just handbrake corners instead and it works great
All modern cars will cut throttle when you apply brake and throttle at the same time, after the "runaway" car crashes a decade or so ago when floormats were getting caught on the gas pedal and people couldn't stop. There are usually easy work-arounds to get LFB to work but I'm not sure exactly what that would be on a Nissan Juke... Typically if you reach up the brake pedal there are 2 electronic switches, one is for your brake lights and the other is for the throttle kill.
Flat earthers say weight transfer doesn’t work or exist, if someone throws a bowling ball at my head I’m definitely going to feel that weight transfer!!!
Whenever going into a corner fast I feel the weight move to the front and I can turn into the corner well, I just fear that as I get faster and more comfortable with controlling weight I'm gonna get cocky and at some point my back tires are gonna have such little grip that they just let go and i then spin out
Wait..... there’s people that think weight transfer “doesn’t work”? Like..... how? It’s basic physics the more weight (without changing overall mass) you have over certain wheels whether it’s weight transfer or downforce, then the more grip those wheels are going to have, it’s something that can be mathematically calculated too.
I wish I had saved some of the good ones to copy/paste for you here, there are definitely some weight transfer deniers out there. One other thing we didn't touch on enough in the video is: the more weight is on the wheel, the more the tire will deform and increase the contact patch as well. You can see it pretty well in some of the slow-mo in this video, but on gravel or pavement it's more obvious (or if we dumped the pressures a little). Your four tires only have equal-sized contact patches when the car is sitting still or cruising at a constant speed... Once you're accelerating, braking, and/or steering, your contact patches on the ground will all be expanding and contracting in direct proportion.
rcravincase Depends..I. would think in a FF you would use the handbrake to do some fine tuning of your slide For AWD press the clutch then use the handbrake like in FF For FR cars just more gas If none of that helps-adjust your suspension
The only way to save that situation is to straighten out the steering brake in a straight line then try your turn in again,(hopefully you don’t run out of road) Realize this situation is only caused by overspending your corner entries assuming your car has a fairly neutral setup
If you're understeering on the brakes, you need to reduce braking pressure. A rolling wheel always has the most traction. If you can afford to let off the brakes without hitting something in front of you, do it. You'll actually gain weight on your front tires as the tires regain grip. Also, consider the transient input of your braking. If you stomp the brake pedal quickly, you're more likely to push the tire beyond it's limits and induce understeer. Be deliberate and calculated about your throttle and brake input instead of aggressive. Your stage times will benefit. :)
There are people in 2020 who don't believe weight transfer is a thing and that it affects handling? Do they also think that motorcycles don't turn in by countersteering?
